Manchester United Banter Archive May 07 2014

 

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07 May 2014 22:51:49
Just wanted to say a few words on a topic not yet fully broached. Whilst Wilson does look a real talent and Lawrence looks promising we need to take a step back and try and remain reserved. How often have we seen it here at United that a youth player comes through, plays one or two games outstandingly and then completely fails to live up to the hype. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there are ways to prevent it.

We have to not overhype. This is the dangerous one. We'll see comparisons to Rooney and others soon enough and we, the fans, need to play these down. These don't help the players, not at this stage of their careers. Helping players confidence is one thing, inspiring hubris and arrogance is another. Let's wait until they are performing consistently well at the top level before making these judgements. At least 10 or so games, and preferably half a season. The facts of the matter is it's up to the fans to do this, no one else. And we, as a group need to remember this. If the club gives them the right development and we give them the right support, there is every chance we could have one of our first true homegrown talents in years being a world-beater.

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I think LVG will have no problem with keeping young players grounded, he's got a great record with working with younger players. I also think it's vital we keep giggsy because he is crucial in the development of so many young player with his advice. I'm sure I read somewhere where Giggs said he helped adnan a bit ( correct me if I'm wrong )

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The way I see it is that it's a bit of a trident. You have the Media, the Management and the fans. The media will attempt to create controversy (click baiting etc) or publish something people agree with. The management will do whatever they choose to do in terms of player development, the behest of the media or fans plays little to no part in this. The fans, well they do a multitude of things. But the majority of fans have a tendency to overhype and dramatise how good a player is or is going to be. There is a well know fifa (game) ratings page which has received 500+ comments (which is a lot of traffic for this place) since the debut all debating how good this Wilson lad will be, some saying as good as Messi. It's ridiculous. If the fans can remain calm and reserved, whilst giving the lad proper support, then the management and the media is under no pressure to influence a player one way or the other. I believe the fans are the focal point of the trident, and it is ultimately our lead the club and the media will follow, from their desire to keep the majority of the people happy most of the time for their own obvious benefits.

I know it often doesn't need saying, or it seems negative, but we're our own worst enemies at this. We hype a player to the stars and then we're surprised he started believing it. Believing it so much so that he no longer felt he had to try, that he was gods gift. It's our faults as much as anyone, we're the facilitators of it. I know it's difficult to create a united front of fans on one particular issue, but the more people who take a similar mentality the better chance we have of seeing our young players mentalities kept right, so they might have every chance to live up to their potential.

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There is always the risk that the player turns out like Macheda, but under the right tutor they will be fine.

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Macheda never really was a disaster just didn't have enough games foe him bit like robbie brady good talent not enough games

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07 May 2014 21:28:14
Is it possible that the delay in announcing Van Gaal is to enable it to be part of a larger announcement post the final game of the season.
Would not be surprised if he is announced along with the new kit deal to kick off the summer in a positive note.

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I imagine it is purely to not take the lime light off of Giggs and Vidic.

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07 May 2014 21:03:21
Question for Ed02 if you're around -

I know you're not a fan of answering speculative questions; but have you heard anything about who our next manager might be?

Most media outlets seem pretty sure that it will be LVG but for some reason I get the impression there might be others in the running still.

Given LVG's commitments to the national team and ours to investors I would have thought that if LVG was going to get the job it would have been announced already.

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

07 May 2014 21:39:21
Watching Yaya Toure you wonder what on earth were barcelona thinking letting him go. Unbelievable player and miles better than Viera, Pogba or anything I have seen in the PL.

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He didn't suit their style. The real question is why on earth weren't other clubs more persistent in trying to sign him!?

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He's peaked, but he isn't miles better than Viera and Pogba. Better though. Pogba will be better IMO.

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Agree with Syd, Toure is a fantastic player if he's allowed to play his own style. Didn't suit barca's tiki taka style.
Still though Pogba will be better.

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No chance will Pogba will be better than Yaya for me.

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The big question is, why didn't WE go for him. Could you of imagined him alongside Scholes in Scholes later years.

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Toure in recent years has just become the ultimate footballer, can pass, run, tackle, shoot from distance, neat finishing from close range, header the ball, sprint half a football pitch after 90 minutes.

Pogba will become good but I don't see him being able to make them powerful runs through defences like Toure can.

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Pognba is not even close mate and you guys need to stop reading all the bs in the papers and actually watch Juve and Pogba. Not even close imo.

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Pogba is a MUCH better player than Yaya was at 21. MUCH BETTER!

Yaya has peaked, Pogba's career has only just began. As we speak Yaya is the better player, but IMO Pogba will become the better player.

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Sydney
^nailed it, toure was nowhere near the player he is now when at Barcelona. Had the same attributes but was.never allowed to express himself in a team like barca with their style and big name players. Quiet guy when he left, now probably the biggest player at city atm, he's become more arrogant and that's what you need to be a top player. He was wasted at barca IMO. Pogba has everythng to be a superstar GCU, the boy is at such a high level at 21, when he hits his peak, he will be worldclass'

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07 May 2014 18:21:02
We saw the best and worst of United last night.

Januzaj was stunning, his best game so far for me despite not scoring. Good to see and hear RVP being so positive - probably due to his mate taking over. And well done to Giggs for throwing a couple of youngsters in, something we need to see much more of.

However, Fellaini confirmed again that he is not a United player, £27M is unbelievable. And in the 2nd half I forgot Carrick was on the pitch at 1 point.

Nice speech from Giggs. This is his 24th season in the top flight and the 1st one in which he hasn't scored. He is a living legend whose feats will never be matched.

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AJH, we still have 1 game left. He still could!

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AJH

Agree on Januzaj, I felt that was an outstanding performance from him. Some months ago I believe I was the first to suggest he should get the number 7 shirt. This is something I think he could wear and grow with and it still gives him a standard to aim for. It sends out a message to all our kids as well.

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Agreed. Fellaini looked worse than he normally does and Shinji looked terrible too. They should have been playing in each others positions!

I love Giggs and will never forget that goal at Villa Park; but he has a lot to learn about being a manager.

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I also admit that Fellaini wasnt the best buy, but acctually he had almost two asissts and didn't play that bad. he's shure not worth 27 m pounda but can only get better

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Agree with everything you said AJH.

When Januzaj put that ball on the nicest looking plate you could find in your kitchen for Fellaini and he just kicked it at the keeper I could do nothing but burst out laughing.

Also Red Man I think Rues IF bought should be given the number 7 shirt and Januzaj given the number 11 shirt if Giggsy retires from playing.

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07 May 2014 17:46:30
I like majority of the people would prefer if we didn't play in the Europa league.


But if we do happen to qualify I think we should approach the tournament like SAF/Wenger used to approach the Capitol One Cup(Carling Cup in those days). Both managers used to play youngsters irrespective of the opposition and stage of the competition.

If we play Powell, Wilson, Keane, Clevs, Lawrence, Amos, Vermijl in these games then i'd prefer we do qualify for the Europa League. If we go out in group stage then so be it but we should not play regular first teamers.

Even if suppose we are to play a Napoli or a Valencia in the knock outs the team remains the same.

If these players do not go on loan i'd much rather they play Europa.

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I'm all for that although I'm not sure the owners would be. We saw last night that we have potential and we need to start to integrate it instead of farming it out. The Europa Leage and Capital Cup are good routes to do that

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Is have to agree with Mumbai. Europa would be a brilliant way of blooding our youngsters. Plus if we got through the group stages and say to the quarter finals that would be a very good achievement and something to be very proud of.

But getting these players experience in Europe Capitol one cup football would definately push on their careers

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07 May 2014 18:58:17
Not playing in EL next year could be a blessing under the circumstances. Having a week between games all season will allow the coach to get some hard work and lessons across on the training ground this much needed time to get his philosophy and methods through to the players will be of great benefit. Liverpool benefited greatly under the same circumstances this season, not being in the EL will at least double the amount of meaningful training at Carrington so for this season only it can only be a good thing.

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MB, Mad Hatter
If the players have potential they would rather go on loan instead of Europa League. Yes it is an European Competition but Just to keep them for 10 odd matches (assuming we will not go through later states by your hypothesis) in EL and then playing for U21 for the rest of the season would not be that beneficial for the youngsters. I personally feel that youngsters will develop only when they get regular football. If we play youngsters in EL then that means loan spells will not be on.

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PR

I would give them game time in the EPL to. But more than likely the youngster albeit 1-2 will probably go out on loan. If Young, Cleverley, Valencia(?), Evra, Rio, Hernandez(?), Nani snd perhaps Rooney all go and Giggs retires then a few youngsters will get promoted to the first team squad along with 4-5 signings in the summer. There will be space and opportunity for them to get game time and slowly blooded in.

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07 May 2014 14:57:38
Hi, Sydney looks like you won dream team.?.

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Sure have Jib, shame there was no money involved :)

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Hi
I joined a league but I think it was the wrong one!

I joined

Football Rumours Super League 2013/14

Was that not yours?

Colin
North Wales

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07 May 2014 14:57:36
LVG is a great manager as many of us here would agree, but it raises a little bit of concern over why he cannot join whilst the season is not ended so that he will get the feel of Manchester United management, players and so on. This year, there is a world cup so he'll have even less time than how much DM had. It wasn't long ago how DM struggled with lack of time given to settle into the role and the management restructuring and wasted a lot of time to buy new players and blend them into our current squad. I hope LvG lives up to his reputation.

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LvG has a contract with the Dutch national team and as such will be unable to spend time managing us until his contract is up after the world cup.

But the advantage LvG has over someone like Moyes is experience. He is a man who has walked into the dressing room of a top club and just assume command, he did it at Barca and at Bayern. Moyes had never walked into a winning dressing room and taken charge before, so when he did it with us he was learning on the job, that takes time. LvG doesn't need to know how to run a top club, just how our club works. Which being a top club shouldn't be too different to how he found things run at Barca and Bayern.

He will have spoken to people at the club about his vision and the direction he wants the club to go in during his talks with our club. He would have outlined his vision for how he wants the club to play and he will have given them details about the kinds of players he will need to do that. He will now concentrate on the world cup with the Netherlands and the running of the club will be managed by people already at the club until he is able to assume command.

We have a top class scouting team who will have identified many different targets playing in many different positions who have many different styles and strengths. This will allow the club to identify the targets van Gaal will want. We have people at the club such as Woodward, Gill, Giggs and of course Sir Alex who can make sure things are running smoothly until LvG is here.

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I don't think we need to worry and this will not be the same as last year. The lessons have been learnt and I would not be surprised if the discussions started back in March.he will have identified a couple of players per position that he wants and will also be on the phone at some stage.
Giggs/Ferguson/Woodward will be left sorting it out but the plans will be there.
I for one cannot wait

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Shappy summed it up pretty well with the fact LVG has experience of managing top clubs, you can also tell from his attitude that he'd be confident and head strong, knowing what he wants and will not dither like dave.

I hope the transfer targets have already been identified, or the main ones at least for example Shaw, Carvalho, Kroos and Rues. Then Woodward and co can get on with getting a deal done. I have a feeling the Carvalho deal has been agreed in principle, whether or not that still goes ahead now Moyes is gone who knows.

I'm hoping LVG should be able to come in and get things working the way he wants pretty quickly judging on his character and experience.

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07 May 2014 14:03:25
afternoon eds and reds ;-) just a quick question, do we still have an interest in carvalho? or has the change of manager changed things? thanks in advance

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07 May 2014 11:45:21
So there will be no new manager this week. I suspect that it will be announced Sunday as I imagine some members of the board, such as SAF, don't want Giggs last game to be overshadowed.

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You follow the insider guys as well fresh lol.

I personally don't believe what he says, he has a 12year old as one of the 4 people who use that account.

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It'll be Monday I think going off what people are saying.

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Haha, I do, only just started so will have to see if he says anything correct. The amount he posts though I imagine he must get one or two things right.

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07 May 2014 11:25:38
Liverpool drawing, United winning, and a win for City tonight, would make this a very good week for us!

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Dude you think it, but you don't say it. You never say you enjoy a city victory, even if you do

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Mick I don't think it counts when it is a case of someone stopping the scousers winning the league and seeing them at horrible tw*t lifting the trophy :-)

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LOL no mate, you say what you mean and say what you feel. No peeing about. I'm talking to people who know what I mean! I won't be happy with City winning the league, but I'd be suicidal if the scousers did it!

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'that horrible tw*t', stupid auto correct.

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Brendan, I'd rather bang my head against the wall than wish City good luck out loud.

I just say I would accept whatever would come with Liverpool not winning the league, and leave it at that

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I suppose it is a generational thing. You young 'uns were brought up when Liverpool were winning things - and are basically jealous! For me Man City are (and always were) the enemy. Of the three I would want Liverpool to win it (however unlikely) certainly not that smug b***ard Mourinho!
Excited by the prospect of these youngsters.
Patrick.

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Patrick, you are very much the minority mate. Probably 10,000/1.

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Fair enough Mick :-)
Jealous of what Patrick?

Personally, I would rather Chelsea win it. I don't like Mourinho as a person, but he and Chelsea are the lesser of 3 hideous evils. My dad is a blue and he'll give me a lot of sh*t if City win the league, but I would take that over seeing Stevie Geeeeeeeeee lifting the PL trophy everytime S/S News comes on for the next year, and all the biased Liverpool pundits going on about it on every football programme I try to watch.

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Totally agree Sydney - that's because there aren't many of us old buggers left! I bet of all Red fans over 60 the ratio wouldn't be 10000 to 1!!!!!
Patrick

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Lol Patrick u are in a minority here mate! I dnt want that lot to win anything but relegation.
City I can just about deal with!

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Brendon- jealous of their success which wasn't there when I was young (Spurs, Villa Wolves were the teams then!) Hence me saying it is a generational thing. Christ I feel old!!
Patrick (aged 103)

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I'm with CTR. I can stomach City winning things, as long as we do too, but I cannot handle the scousers even winning the toss! Stevie falling over and "The Cannibal" crying his eyes out has made my season bearable.

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Anybody remember when Leeds were the enemy? Revie (Mourinho) and Bremner (Stevie G)? We used to detest the buggers!
Anyway, time for bed! Tara lads
Patrick

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Ha ha nice on Patrick :-)

I wouldn't say it was a jealousy thing though for me, I just despise them in general. I don't really have any recollections of them winning things as I was too young then to care, as long as United were playing and I had the kit to play in I didn't give a toss about winning or losing. The first trophies I remember anyone winning was Germany winning the 1990 World Cup in Italy and United winning the FA Cup also in 1990 with Lee Martin scoring in the replay.

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Guys if like me you lived next door to them, socialised with them and worked with them, I don't think you would be as quick to wish city win it :)

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First match I went to Brendon was Utd v Villa 1957. It was 1-1. Then they beat us in the FA Cup Final 2-1. However, we beat them in the Charity Shield 4-0! I think Tommy got a hat-trick. What a team those boys were!
Patrick

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Patrick/Syd

Make that 10,000/2!
Patrick I remember Revie, Bremner, Hunter, Storey, Harris, Smith et al but particularly remember Michael Doyle (God rest his soul) who I used to hate with a vengeance! But Colin Bell was one of the best footballers i've ever seen - much as I hate to say it!

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John - what really gets me about these City fans is that they act as if the last 40 years or so didn't exist.

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A D Red - Mick "Tommy" Doyle? Arrgh!!
Patrick

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They think winning 1 premier league and 2 cups eclipses the last 25 years of our trophy laden history.some of the comments they come out with on the manchester evening news website are the most bitter you have ever seen they are still living in a time warp lol

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07 May 2014 10:48:28
Good game last night. Hull are a decent team, and while we were not at our attacking best, we were very solid and the passing at times was pretty impressive ( passing accuracy in the 90s ). We had less than 8% long balls, 3% crosses ( of our total passes ), and our play reminded me a bit of Arsenal.

Now about Fellaini, I fully understand why Giggs played him. With Wilson, Januzaj and Lawrence in attack, we lacked a physical presence and strength up there. In theory, Fellaini would offer balance to the attack, but it looked as if he did not really fit in there. He did his part in winning the ball back a couple of times, but his attacking play was beyond disappointing.

Now for Lawrence and Wilson. Lawrence was better in open play, and he was tidier on the ball, but Wilson's goals pushed him ahead.

For those of you who watch youth football, you would know that both players were pretty disappointing given their usually high standards.

Wilson is a magnificent player, and he is at his best running beyond opposing defenders, but with Hull sitting so deep, he was not given the chance to do so. He obviously struggled a bit since there was no space to exploit, and his pace was pretty much useless in such circumstances. He will have better games, but 2 goals on a 60 minute cameo, on his debut, is something anyone would be proud of.

As for Lawrence, we saw a glimpse of what he is capable of on a couple of occasions. To really see what he is about, I urge you to hop on youtube and watch his performances vs Liverpool U21 and England U21s. You will not be disappointed.
And it's worth noting that despite struggling a lot with injuries in the past this season he has had 2 loan spells to Carlisle and Yeovil, league 1 and championship respectively, where he scored a couple of world class goals that would put Van Persie to shame and was always one of the best performers on the field. He has great ability on the ball, and while he is not as natural as Januzaj and Morrison ( who look like they were born with the ball at his feet ) he is technically brilliant, 2 footed, quick, and can go past players for fun.
He was always going to struggle with Buttner at left back, and with valencia and Januzaj on the opposing wing. Most of our attacks came down the right, and rightfully so, which is why Lawrence didn't get as many touches as he could have, but his passing, touch, and movement at times have been pretty pleasing. I think he can go on to be better than Lingard, and I'd like o see him spend next season on loan, in the championship till January and a premier league loan after that.

Other U21s I think are worth keeping an eye on are Varela and Rothwell in the near future ( Rothwell has been given a squad number and he has been very consistent so far in the U21s, and he has an engine to rival Tunnicliffe's ) while Pearson and Pereira are prospects who are likely to get a chance here.

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Fellaini assisted 2 goals last night. I've said it before and I'll say it again - he's a good player. Unfortunately he's just not a Manchester United player.

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Are we classing failing to score from about 5 yards as an assist these days?

Let's be honest, if Moyes had played Fellaini as a second striker he would have been crucified, and rightly so. He looked absolutely awful upfront, and if the strategy is to have a player up front simply for knock downs, then Giggs is certainly not a United manager.

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I agree Redseven, Fellaini is good at what he does. In the right team and system he can be devastating, as we know from playing against him. Unfortunately in our team and the system we all want to see, he just doesn't fit.

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I hope next season, we really add some of these promising youth players (Wilson, Keane, Powell etc.) to the squad and with a few top class signing, maybe 4 or 5 and with a good clear out, our future will certainly look bright. Hopefully then, we will see a more urgent, pacey and dynamic team. Maybe this season has been a blessing in disguise in a weird sort of way, as it really is time for a new era at OT.

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Mata behind wilson last night in theory would of been a more likely choice as Mata can pick a pass behind a defence for young wilson to exploit

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I agree fellaini is good, good at making football look complicated he was garbage last night too slow get rid never a utd player everybody in the stands last night were groaning at his every touch

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07 May 2014 10:20:57
Another one to look out for in the U21's is Ben Pearson. He is a good little player, a striker converted to a midfielder so he can finish well. The ball literally sticks to his feet and he can get out of close jams pretty effortlessly. He ran rings around Bentaleb and Dembele in the U21's the other day. He is a player that we will see during preseason, I guess he is quite similar to a Modric type player.

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I think a player who looks equally as good but is a different type of player is Joe Rothwell, he looks like he's got a good physique already and looks very calm and assured on the ball and always goes forward when possible, him and Pearson compliment each other very well.

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Couldn't agree more Wiggy.

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Also a fan of Janko since he joined. Anyone know what happened to Blackett? Looked a decent left back a few years ago but not heard much of him since?

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Van Gaal must have been enthused by the match last night. promising youngeters in Januzai, Wilson, Lawrence. Powell, Lingard Vermil to come back from loan and an old head like Giggs to help steer them into the first team.
For me we should be looking to include 6/7 of these youngsters in the 25 next year with the remainder made up of high class signings and the best of the rest from this year.
With Van Gaal's training methods nexy year could be very exciting

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Brad76

Given their ages they do not need to be in the 25.

Clubs can supplement the squad with unlimited number of players under the age of 21.

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Red bear, like you say a lot of people talked well of Blackett a few years ago and he's been out on loan at birmingham but from what I've heard he has really struggled and has'nt kicked on from the promise he showed a few seasons back, shame but I can't see him making it with us imo.

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Oxred
Well spotted I forget that the make up of the 25 has these caveats. My only concern though would be the lack of games if we miss out on Europa (dont really want that) with a full compliment of 25 plus the under 21's.
Maybe better to go with 18/19 plus the under 21s.but then what do I know!

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07 May 2014 10:01:23
What a stand out performance from Januzaj and Wilson last night. Two terrific left footed players and I was so pleased to see him go off with two goals, outstanding. Januzaj was also brilliant.

Did anyone see van Persie's interview after the game? I have never seen him look so happy. His finish was so instinctive and just showed why he is the best striker that we have, not Rooney. Role on the last game where I hope Vidic makes his 300th appearance and Giggs scores, that would end the season well.

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RvP said:

"Trust me, we’ll will be back. Trust me. Save this interview!"

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End of a poor season, injury finally over, hitting some form for the world cup, Van Gaal coming in to build team around him, Rooney possibly on way out. what could Van Persie possibly have to smile about!

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07 May 2014 07:43:30
Two questions:

Who is James Wilson?

If we win the next match and Spurs loses, can we qualify for the Europa? As I understand that it would be Everton and Hull be qualified for Europa next season.

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{Ed002's Note - How bad can your maths be?}

Oh dear

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Haha. yes if we win and spurs lose we qualify for Europa. Personally for one season next year, I would prefer not to qualify!

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James Wilson is a talented youth product of Manchester United. Someone some of us have been going on about for a while now. Well since he was 15 actually.

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Am I the only one who hopes we do get into Europa haha we are utd we should be happy to complete for any trophy and if we in it with our team we could try and win the thing and finish top 4 what a season that would be, also give our youth some euro experience for when we back in the champions league, we are not a small team like Swansea and Newcastle who struggle when they get these extra games.

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I'd like to qualify for Europa League as well. More games to watch for starters and we can use them to bring through some of our promising youth players.

Also, given the amount of change in playing staff, it's more opportunities for the team to gel.

I think those who don't want us to qualify probably have season tickets and want to avoid the compulsory purchase for the Europa ties. Perfectly understandable 'cos the required outlay is too much IMO and is why I don't have a season ticket myself.

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Andrew, there is no compulsory purchase for the Europa ties.

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I believe those of us that don't want Europa is because of the affect on league challenge. Playing Thursday Sunday. Look at how many bad results we have had following away performances in Europe!

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Lawrence Pearson Rotwell Wilson could play in the Europa with Michael Keane Vermiij and Buttner Januzai Johnston and say Jones Evans or Smalling to complete the team as captain it could work and still have a few cup games for these players and some others in

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07 May 2014 07:38:04
So vidic is off then! great servant and was a beast loved him was an awesome man and player for out club.

Giggs, evra and rio it remains to be seen but eithe way they have all been amazing in there time with us!

Januzaj was on a different level last night and could become a world superstar with the right guidance!

Wilson impressed me alot, he is a star for the future and so is lawrence I would not loan them out so they don't pick up bad habits!

We need some signings but I think next season we will make top 4 easy, I am positive we will do this whilst also playing some youth into our team!

The future is bright!

Glory glory man united

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07 May 2014 07:18:51
From the lap of honour last night, it might seem that cleverly is on his way out, Rooney had to nudge him to start clapping the fans, and even then he clapped a bit and just sulked on, hands at sides. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but he definitely looked deflated.

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07 May 2014 08:46:54
Where was evra last night? I didn't see him during the lap of honour!

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Gman, that can only be a good sign.

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I noticed that as well, Deeps.

It was quite a sad night. A few of those lads will probably not be at the club next season.

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I saw that too and couldn't help but draw the same conclusion as yourself

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Wow; Rooney thinking another player needs to show some respect? Cleverly must really hate our club!

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07 May 2014 06:22:43
If it was a choice of Giggs getting game time or Fellaini. Who would you choose.

Giggs is way better than Fellaini in midfield or in the hole.

As your last duty as Manager Giggs.

Please give yourself a new one year contract and release Fellaini from his.

He can't seem to tackle without fouling or swinging his arms.
He's all legs & looks like Bambi on ice.
He runs like Forest Gump.
It takes him 4/5 touches to control the ball.
He's worth a yellow card every time he starts.
He's not a 2 man midfielder player.
He's more like a poor mans Kevin Nolan.
At least put him on the transfer list or offer a swap deal.
(Afro & 15m for Shaw?)
(Afro for Sneijderlin?)
(Afro for Garay?)
We need to forget the Moyes era. That means turfing out Fellaini I'm afraid.

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He looks like he's running in toffee. He will certainly not be playing as a 2nd striker next season, not for us anyway. I think he will be back-up for someone like Carvalho.

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07 May 2014 06:21:52
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see any of these targets wanting to come to United (yet).

If you were a WC or a potential WC player I just can't see what will entice them to come (this season).

My points of view:

1) No Champions League or even Europa.
* WC players want to play at the highest level.

2) Poor form & shocking displays for 2-3 seasons.
* WC players may not want to play with Young & Fellaini.

3) who's in & who's out (an unsettled team)
* A WC player would worry about coming in & some of the better players possibly leaving.

4) Unsettled Management & Coaches. (No EPL experience)
* It all could be a little rushed or very last minute ala Fellaini.

5) Old Trafford fear factor.
* WBA, Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland.

6) Chelsea & City offering higher wages.
* Both teams have stole last minute players in the past.

7) Liverpool & Arsenal can offer Champions League.
* Would that be more tempting to a potential WC player.

8) Manchester weather.
* Sunnier climates in Spain & Italy.

9) Filthy Rich City, Chelsea, Monaco, PSG etc etc.
* More & more players chase money than glory.

10) No experienced Woodward.
* He wasted so much time last summer.

11) Excuses.
* World Cup year & no value in the market.

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You forgot the one thing that attracts the modern day footballer! Money!

Paying WR the reported £300k per week gives a clear signal that we are prepared to pay top wages for top players.

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Got to reply to that stupid post by TJF, one simple reason, to play for Manchester United, one of the biggest clubs in the world.

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Probably only points 1 & 8 are worth discussing. Even point 8 simply wouldn't bother a player who is willing to move to England. Fortunately footballers and agents aren't as fickle as some of the fans. They will know that if they join, plus 3-4 other top notch players also joining, that they will only be out of the UCL for one season.

Liverpool and Arsenal do have UCL, but MU still have a bigger pull then both of them.

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This club is the biggest on the planet. Add to that the fact we have a lot of money wrapped around us, then I don't see a problem with signing big names.

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Is that the pull of Gravity Sid?

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Well that takes the cake for the most naive post of the year and so disconnected from reality. Sorry mate you asked for it.

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07 May 2014 05:50:30
Though wilson scored 2 goals, I was more impressed with Lawrence. And what was that from januzaj? very mature and talented kid. Man of the match for me

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Januzaj looked the part its scary how good this lad could be!

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Ive watched wilson regulary at u18 and u21 games and he's a future star, great that he scored on his debut but like the above poster I thought lawerence had a better allround game last night. 2 shining lights in an otherwise dark season.

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