Manchester United Banter Archive November 07 2012

 

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07 Nov 2012 23:33:14
Kloot I'm sorry I disagree with you about Rooney, look at the difference he makes when he plays for example second half v spurs and what about the difference he has made on rvp he has gotten better when he plays with Rooney. Finally a few people slating giggs tonight? Why he played in rvp and chicha for the penalty. Also how good is it to have an in form chicharito again?

Caolán.

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He has made player of the year and highest goal scorer last year RVP better? How? I AM KLOOT

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Last year rvp didn't have as many goals at this stage of the season and since Rooney has returned rvp has gone up another gear Rooney has set up most of his goals in fact Kloot Rooney is the leagues top assist maker.

Caolán.

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07 Nov 2012 23:18:56
we need the following next summer:

>a centre back
>a centre midfielder or defensive midfielder
>a left winger

my picks are: ogbonna, wanyama, douglas costa {Ed004's Note - What about left back?}

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07 Nov 2012 23:15:18
You can't complain too much at our tempo. We played a completly different team so it is bound to be a little disjointed. We didn't play with a solid midfielder, and were a little all over the place. Nani & Welbeck, as far as I am concerned would not normally be out two wingers as Welbeck isn't great out there and Nani isn't great anywhere.

If our refular starting XI played like that then be worried - but not after that performance. You can tell that we greatly improved when more regulars came on anyway, you could see the difference they made.

I also have to say that Anderson seems to finally be developing - I think that he is worth keeping a hold of. Looking forward to Jones coming back though as I never want to see Valencia play right back, Jones can fill in there though when Rafael needs a rest.

As I have said a few times tonight, Wanyama would be a brilliant signing. Also would like to see Tom Ince and James Rodriguez come in in summer

Fresh!

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07 Nov 2012 23:51:21
Remember the name tony watt.

Caolán. {Ed007's Note - You were told 'No' in August!!! Nothing has changed.}

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Ed I really want him here but I don't mind him staying at Celtic. He will be a great player.

Caolán.

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Give Celtic some money and they'll sell him.
NoMidfield

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07 Nov 2012 23:06:59
Did you see the Celtic v Barcelona result? Excuse the french but FOOK ME.

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07 Nov 2012 23:05:13
Fair play to Celtic, they were terrific. Wanyama in particualr - he could be our answer to Yaya. As for us, we played well in the end and we finally scored a penalty :)

Fresh!

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07 Nov 2012 22:52:57
Anderson or Wanyama no contest get him signed now Fergie

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07 Nov 2012 22:45:20
Like I said Barca are beatable and the majority on here said we couldn't do it and that we aren't good enough well the tonight Celtic did that. It just shows with plenty of support, passion and a good shot stopper you can beat Barca. Wouldn't complain if we sign wanyama or tony watt he will be a star. Remember the name.

Caolán.

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I do believe we may have been onto something ;)

Barca only know one way.

DodgyBanter

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07 Nov 2012 22:42:55
A tough away game, against a hard working team. We got the 3 points and that's all that matters in the end.

1. Nani was pish. Absolutely woeful. If we get £15m for him, we're VERY lucky.

2. Our play was painfully slow, with no movement from the midfield. Short passes from side to side all night and it was only when RVP came on that we started to come alive.

3. Through as group winners means we don't have to bring the big guns all the way to Turkey. Plus the young players could get a run.

4. I thought it was strange to play Valencia at right back. Nani doesn't track back, and Valencia isn't the greatest defender in the world. It was waiting to be exploited and against a top team it would have been.

G.A.G.U.S

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I reckon Valencia played at rb just to give Rafael a bit of a rest before this weekend. Come to think of it, how many matches has Rafael not started this season?

Jaxer

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Nani doesn't track back? Incredible. It's amazing how stupid people are. Also, to call him "pish" and "absolutely woeful" is ridiculous, he wasn't wasteful, but he didn't show as much creative flair as he could have.

Percy

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Percy, for the love of God stop it. Nani was nice again poor.

AJH

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Is it as ridiculous as calling him the best winger in the world?
jred

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I will have to back Percy up here. To say Nani was poor is a very fair statement as most were poor yesterday but to say he doesn't track back is unfair on the player. I remember a brilliant tackle that he made when Braga were attacking down our right in the first half, Nani slid in and cleanly took the ball at full stretch. This was also one of the tackles of the night. He may not do it too often but he is an attacking midfielder and he is mainly in the side to create not to defend.
To clarify I still feel he needs to move on if his current form continues.

Paso

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07 Nov 2012 22:41:46
Fernandinho and Willian are excellent players Shakhtar are an excellent team chelsea so lucky.

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07 Nov 2012 22:41:34
feghouli and wanyama both scored and played well tonite two players united have been linked with ,two players who might fancy moving on to bigger clubs
does anyone think these two are genuine united targets
and could we get them for 25m or there about.

cjwales82

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07 Nov 2012 22:40:54
Who the hell mentioned Tony Watt here a couple of days ago? Leave your name and get your deserved praise. You are a genius and this kid was awesome against Barcelona. Sign him instead of Tom Ince. {Ed004's Note - Ed001 has been going on about him non-stop to the editors}

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I believe it was Caolan. A very good shout. Both Wanyama and 0watt were excellent.

Fresh!

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I said we should sign tony watt. Guy is goin to be a star :).

Caolán.

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07 Nov 2012 22:35:37
Tonight I want to start by saying well done Celtic

Now how did we win by that score. We were awful for three quarters of the game until Nani and Welbeck had left the pitch. Nani is truly awful , he has no concentration and just gives the ball away. Sadly Welbeck just seems to refuse to develop , his first touch just isn't there and he doesn't seem to be working on it.

Our tempo was shocking, slow to the point of boredom and how are we relying on Ryan Giggs in the centre of midfield?We lacked movement and for most of the game they passed it far more precisely and with greater pace than us. Heaven knows what a top team would make of the pace of our game. We did nothing until RVP came on. Evans has played well of late but when it comes to quicker sharper playlers he does struggle especially as his build is tall, he made a mistake but whilst I don't think he is at the highest level he has played well recently.

What a difference RVP made, it is a clear message to SAF , look what you get when you buy quality. It is a message that he must heed in the next windows, the next two buys must be quality and not might be players.

It's a good result and to win the group is great especially with two games to go, although looking at the games our focus has been better than last season but we haven't dominated. I hope SAF gives a couple of younger players time in the two remaining games but we remain two players short of a potential winner of the competition regardless of what SAF may say in public.

Red Man

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07 Nov 2012 22:31:48
Well it wasn't a good performance but we have qualified top with 2 games left. I am sure that we would all take that no matter how we have played.

A lot of praise will go to rvp tonight and rightly so but I also think that a massive difference to the game was rafeal for 3 reasons
1 he stopped there progress down the left where we looked dodgy all night.
2 he allowed valancia to play where he belongs
3 he was also threatening going forward aswell
And just as a Brucey bonus it meant nani went off ;-)

Last point, what a touch by Rooney for the last goal

Karllap

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07 Nov 2012 22:30:04
I honestly believe Victor Wanyama is going to be the best centre midfielder in the world in a few years! we need to make our move.. Tony Watt also looks a special player

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07 Nov 2012 22:28:01
After the result at Celtic park SAF better get a bid in for Wanyama even Gary Nevelle said he is a fantastic young player

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07 Nov 2012 22:20:00
Awesome display from Celtic, displaying buckets of passion - something we seem to be lacking a little right now. Well done Bhoys! Lennon saying 'its gonna take a lot of money for us to sell Wanyama'

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07 Nov 2012 22:19:19
Hopefully now that United have Qualified Fergie will blood some of the younger players in Europe next time round, Would have liked to see Powell and wootton against different opposition but they can only get better with the added experience.

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07 Nov 2012 22:08:37
Fantastic result. Well done the reds. Wsnayama had a very good game for Celtic. Congratulations to them too.
NoMidfield

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07 Nov 2012 22:06:07
We should be charged with Robbery. That was just rubbish and I have to say that the biggest problem was the tactics. Nani was rubbish Anderson was played to deep. Rooney once again showed why he is not a midfielder giving the ball away for the penalty. He gave the ball away 27 times in the game. Johnny Evans stood square on to an oncoming attacker what did he think would happen. Still we got away with it and some of you will come on here and say I am just being negative well here is a positive RVP. What a star a real world class player. Please please dont come on and defend Rooney to me he was pants and his only saving grace was the work he put in. Did any one see a single United player go past a man. It was just pass and pass then long ball. No invention at all. Happy birthday Rio and DDG you got a present tonight. I AM KLOOT {Ed004's Note - I agree, we were awful tonight. Kloot serious question for you. I have seen you slate Rooney something shocking as of late, now seriously, were would you play him? If you would play him at all? We all seen how the team suffered without him, yet you seem to imply we are suffering because he is in the team...}

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Do you actually spend time counting his failed passes? Or you just picking out crap now.

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We were pedestrian tonight. There is no other word for it. Celtic showed us what is possible when you play a very good team and give your all where as we almost showed what happens when you play with the complacency that comes with thinking you are already in the next round. I hope the players enjoyed Portugal as it seemed, Valencia (who tried to inject some sort of pace) and the classy RVP aside, they were there on holiday. What is worrying is that we have gotten our tactics wrong at some point in every game this season barr Newcastle away. SAF has to get to the route of this problem although the vast majority of United fans could spell it out for him quite clearly.

TK-Red

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Just behind rvp or give him a spell right up top! Kagawa will grow into his role when fit and pull the strings?
Q

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Valencia made 6 successful dribbles tonight.
Rooney made a masterclass in losing possession, Welbeck wasnt much better. Although both worked very hard.

Anderson didnt look his best, but who would playing in a central midfield next to giggs. Dont get me wrong his vision is terrific, he just cant be part of a midfield 2.

Mick

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Dear Ed I just have a problem with the hype that follows him around because he is English. I also know without doubt that he had verbally agreed to join City and only when United matched his wages did he agree to stay. He is an Everton fan always will be. He plays for the money not for the glory of playing for United so forgive me for looking upon him as a scouse Tevez. I also happen to believe we saw the best of him when he was 19 and 20 and he could burst past a player. I know there are some on here for who he can do no wrong and good luck to them even if i think they are deluded. I just see games like tonight when a world class player would show his quality as RVP did. Rooney just gave the ball away again and again. i was far more impressed with the performance of the kids last Wednesday. I AM KLOOT {Ed004's Note - I understand what you are saying but he gives 100% when he is on the pitch. I know you hate him as a person but surely you see the impact he has on the team when he plays?}

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I've always say rooney aint good enough, but my post never seem to be taken seriously or ever get posted. If you look on today's footballing world, you need players who can dribble, take on one, two, and three players if needs be and go pass them.

Anderson can do that but he never seem to be played in the right position. Nani, don't even get me started. I AM KLOOT, your right we've got no invention. kick it and run it down.

diego

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07 Nov 2012 21:59:44
Tonight Celtic v Barca wanyama proved why we should sign him!

Caolán.

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07 Nov 2012 21:59:43
Anyone think Fergy will watch the Celtic video back and have a close look at Wanyama? Kept Barca midfield very quiet from little of the game I've seen.

DodgyBanter {Ed004's Note - I saw 22 mins of the game. The 12 that the lights went out and the last 10 minutes of it}

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You did not miss much just sh..it football in the first 70 mines.



Shahram

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07 Nov 2012 21:54:12
We looked dead in the water until RVP came on , makes you wonder why we didn't start the game like that.

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07 Nov 2012 21:52:07
Percy,

Defend that nani performance? Tell me how he is the best right winger in the world as you call him.

Terrible, pathetic, embarrassing at times. No coincidence he went off at 1-0 and we suddenly looked a good team.

For me he should play the last 2 games in the champions league to get him in the shop window then it's goodbye in January. He is letting everybody down with these displays.

Other than that, terrible performance and we have won the group and picked up another win with 3 strikers scoring, can't complain too much!

GDS

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Are you sure you want him to play GDS?if he plays and performs like that who in their right mind would want him?id take as little as 15m for him,hes not worth more than 20m.

phil

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Yeah. So no complaining and let's get behind the team !!
NoMidfield

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To be fair, GDS, we were poor across the board tonight. Bit of a bad game to pick out individuals.

TK-Red

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How weird, when Nani came off we scored 3 goals. Thats down to 2 things:

-RVP came on, and rooney moved to the left, playing much better than welbeck

-Valencia moved further up the field, rherefore giving us a getaway and a new dimension. Needless to say, it worked wonders.

Mick

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I was focussing on nani, I thought he was dreadful, and he went off just before we started playing well. I thought he was trying to win an award for most times giving the ball away. His time is up for me, had enough.

Phil, think we will have to play him as he won't be playing in the league matches! Thank god Ashley young looks like he has got some form back. Can concentrate on the league now, win the next 4 before the city game and we will go in to that full of confidence. Good times ahead I feel.

GDS

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GDS a lot of guys were poor Welback, Rooney, Valencia, Giggs and i am not a big fan of Nani but having the right selection does help or in this case hurt a lot of people's performance.

Shahram

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07 Nov 2012 21:48:53
Robin Van Persie - what a player! When he came on we looked a different team. The signing of the season.

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07 Nov 2012 21:48:08
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07 Nov 2012 21:15:48
Somebody tell me what our tactics are because I can' figure it out. All we have done he entire game is pass from side to side. I can't recall one decent chance and Hernandez has got no service at all.

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07 Nov 2012 20:59:08
I have no idea why the manager selected this lineup with these tactics. God bless Giggs but he should never be starting for us.

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07 Nov 2012 20:57:11
Wellbecks touch is non existent

James

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And he is very wasteful.

If some of the flicks came from Nani we would be slaughtering him.

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The disagree must have been his dad.

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07 Nov 2012 20:30:58
Once again Anderson is played deep and it does not work... Play him in a more advanced position and he will cause trouble.

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_________Carrick/Fletcher
Scholes/Cleverley___Anderson

This is when he shines. Little one-twos and through balls, also he can run at defences in this position.

ALDUtd

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07 Nov 2012 20:27:13
slow, sloppy and boring. Can't see how we will score. Not much quality play in the middle of the pitch. Get carrick, cleverly on push Rooney forward and get Giggs and welback off.

Shahram

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3-1 winners, have faith for god sake!

GDS

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The score masks how rubbish we were. They should have put us away a long time before their goalie went stupid and RVP who is an absolute star made him pay for it.

Rooney dived 100% and Braga should feel very hard done. Disjointed team, lineup, no cohesion or fluent passing or movement, pace etc etc

I know we are all happy because of the result but can not hide the fact that there are many teams in CL who will give us problems.

I have no Idea why SAF picks teams this way and plays people in certain positions.

There was a 30 yard distance between rooney and the strikers and i was just confused what the hell formation we were playing and what was his role.

We played Everton/Stoke football for 75 minutes by hoofing the ball up the field with 30 to 40 yard stuff.

I am not a big fan of Nani but with the team on the field everyone looked sh...t. Only positive, smalling is back.

Shahram

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07 Nov 2012 20:24:43
watching united away in the group stages is sometimes like goin to the zoo and finding all the animals are asleep. lets step it up a notch

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LOL 100% on. Very funky team set up and everyone looks very ordinary. I am not even sure what position Rooney is playing. Need to make some changes.

Shahram

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Agreed,all we seem to be doing is passing it backwards and sideways, no cutting edge at all, i forgot giggs was playing until i saw him walking off at half time.have to say DDG has looked very solid and confident tonight.

phil

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Love that analogy. Completely right. They just seem to be waiting for someone else to make something happen rather than trying to do it themselves. I feel Giggs at CM has something to do with that.

Welsh Dragon

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07 Nov 2012 19:52:53
Gotta say i prefer the look of this team than the one we had on the weekend.

Just swap giggs with carrick or fletcher and obv swap rvp for wellbeck

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07 Nov 2012 19:47:16
This could be interesting. Nani and Valancia both on the right.

James

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07 Nov 2012 19:43:00
Confirmed Line-Up.

De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Evans, Evra, Nani, Anderson, Giggs, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck. Subs: Lindegaard, Da Silva, Ferdinand, Carrick, Young, van Persie, Cleverley.

What the heck of a formation is this going to be?? 4312, 433, 4231, 4411, 451.... Whatever it is I am disappointed to see no Nick Powell in the squad. I would of swapped Rooney and Powell and let them play if we were struggling bring on the big guns but I doubt we would be.

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It will be meant to be a 4-2-3-1, fairly simple:

___________De Gea
Tony__Smalling__Evans__Evra
______Anderson__Giggs
__Nani______Rooney______Welbeck
___________Chicharito

Fresh!

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07 Nov 2012 19:11:06
lineup :

De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Evans, Evra; Nani, Anderson, Giggs; Hernandez, Rooney, Welbeck

Subs: Lindegaard, Rafael, Ferdinand, Carrick, Young, Cleverley, van Persie

So now with Anderson partnering giggs, We know who is going to have to do all the running. I dont think that anderson is fit enough to play in midfield with giggs. So even with rooney's help i think the midfield will be too weak. Hope we dont blame anderson for it.

Mick

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07 Nov 2012 19:01:15
The team
Is de gea
Valencia smalling evans evra
Nani ando giggs Rooney
Hernandez welbz.
Why giggs Powell isn't even on the bench, im sorry if I'm wrong he's surely got to be on the bench incase we are comfortable get him experience he is going to be fantastic!

Caolán.

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07 Nov 2012 15:58:36
This is so frustrating watching Carrick play for us... why are we not giving any of our younger players a chance like Petrucci or Powell
MUFC

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Because fergie, one of the greatest managers in the world ever, doesn't think they are good enough yet. I'd take his opinion over yours to be honest.

GDS

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Powell is an 18 year old who last year was playing in the 4th division. Give the lad chance to settle in and adapt to being at a higher level, better players, better facilities.

Petrucci, well he's injury prone and frankly not good enough. He'll be gone in the summer.

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07 Nov 2012 15:42:21
all of the suggested teams go with the same formation of 4231. im a 442 man all the way, the legend that is gary neville has said that, man utd is 442. 2 solid centre backs, 2 attacking full backs, a defensive midfielder, an attacking midfielder, 2 flying wingers, a centre forward thats drops off of the front man and a solid man up front. all of our success has come this way. we tried 433 when we had ronaldo, rooney and rvn up front and it didnt work. 4231 is attempting to play like barca and i think that everyone has to realise that only they can do it. so tonight i hope the team is
DDG
RAFAEL EVANS RIO EVRA

TONY V CARRICK CLEVERLEY YOUNG

ROONEY RVP

lets get the group won and then think about giving a run to the younger players when we are through

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07 Nov 2012 17:19:43
except that midfield is weak and wud get trampled by most teams in europe

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442 is outdated. It works when you have thr ight players but we don't so it doesn't.

We don't have 2 solid centrebacks.

We have 1 attacking full back and Evra.

We don't have a defensive midfielder and we don't have an attacking midfielder, not one who fits in a 2 man midfield. Think '99 when we had Keane and Scholes then look aroudn the squad and who compares to those 2?

We don't have 2 flying wingers. Nani is garbage, Valencia looks short on form and Young whilst being a worker is predictable and most of the time covering for Evra.

We also tried 433 when we had Ronaldo, Rooney & Tevez and that was pretty good. RVN wasn't a fluid enough striker for that system.

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07 Nov 2012 14:53:43
Is it better to replace Nani with more of a winger, or more of a central attacking midfielder?

What looks better:

--------------De Gea
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
-----Clevs--Strootman--Ando
----Kagawa----RVP-----Rooney

Or, something more like this:

--------------De Gea
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
-------Cleverly---Strootman
----Kagawa--Rooney--Rodriguez
---------------RVP

RedDevil19

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Definitely not the first one. United without Rooney always looks so weak. I'd prefer for Nani to just sign the damn contract, but failing that, a winger who can beat players and who can pass well, a player similar to Nani.

Percy

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I would replace nani with someone who can do both jobs equally as good : Isco, Muniain and goetze are the most suiyed. James rodriguez would be great.

Mick

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Percy

Please. Please give up.

G.A.G.U.S

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Nani has only had 1 really good United season and that was 2010-11

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Percy, the 2 of you should elope, you'd make a lovel couple. Seriously, you must be the only one left who thinks we should keep him. I admire your loyalty.
AJH

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There is no way that he'll be here past the summer - I probably won't even be here past January if we can find a buyer. I very much think that our main interest is Rodriguez, something special about him - whether or not we'll cough up the cash in another matter.

Fresh!

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United would have purposely offered Nani a salary that they knew he would reject. The club want to move him on Percy mate. Nani is not improving as a player and the club have been listening to offers for the past two summers.

Sydney!

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07 Nov 2012 14:52:57
Team for Braga tonight(not the lineup that i think we will go for but what i hope we will go for):

___________De Gea___________
Rafael__Smalling__Evans__Buttner
___________Carrick___________
_____Cleverley____Anderson____
_Welbeck_______________Young
__________Chicharito__________

Smalling should get some champions league experience.I think Buttner needs some more games as well.Carrick will provide some defensive cover in his natural position.Finally,i think we should rest RVP and Rooney,as Welbeck and Chicha are also very effective.

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Rafael has been playing too many games. Maybe Smalling at RB, and later Fletcher can replace him (if Fletcher is well) and Powell in at CM(like Chelsea game).

SHAITAN

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Couldn't agree more mate, that was the exact side I was about to write down.

It would be nice to see Cleverly and Anderson playing a couple of consecutive games together because at the beginning of last season they complimented each other and created chances for the forwards at ease.

ALDUtd

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07 Nov 2012 11:41:44
It seems to be that finding a replacement for Nani is becoming more & more difficult. I cannot see us paying over £30 million for anyone, except perhaps a crazy bid for Neymar.

So what options do we have open to us?

- Iker Muniain, Bilbao would want £25 million.
- Jamie Rodriguez, allegidly £36 million.
- Isco, £15-£20 million.
- Neymar, upwards of £30 million.
- Alvaro Vadillo, £5-£10 million.
- Tom Ince, £6 million.
- Mario Gotze £35 million.
- Wes Sneijder £20 million.
- Cristian Eriksen £20 million.

Who out of those would be worth paying for? Well I still don't get the hype about Eriksen, I've never seen him look that impressive. Muniain, Sneijder, Vadillo & Ince are the most accessible. I think we have most interest in Rodriguez, but Porto will be hard to deal with.

I suppose it will end up being the one that we can get a hold of. I just hope that we don't end up with Ince and no one else as, whilst he has talent, he's never going to be a world beater.

Who would you guys want?

Fresh!

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C Rod.

Mumbai_Boy

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With that list I would think a play for Goetze would be wise
ussoldier77

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I would prefer Tom Ince.He looks very promising.We dont really need to replace nani if he leaves,as it seems that we are often using formations without wingers.We would have valencia and young if needed.Even Buttner can play as winger.Tom Ince would be a future prospect in case we started playing with wingers more regularly in the future.

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Isco and ince 22m makes total sense

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Tom Ince would of course be free in the summer and there is strong interest in him so I think he is a cert. He is playing well and we are lacking in that area especially when Nani goes. He would be decent back-up for Valencia & Young and will not need Welbeck to fill in anymore. I think the manager will look to add a few more next summer so would save cash to spend in other areas.

Sydney!

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We need to stop buying hopefuls and start buying some world class players. We've spent enough money on the likes of obertan tosic bebe etc. We need to buy proven players now.
NoMidfield

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Edd001 seems pretty good with the youth and he posted yesterday he doesn't rate ince much better than brady {Ed007's Note - Youth football in general is Ed001's passion. He loves watching reserve matches and lower divisions looking out for good young players.}

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The problem with our transfer policy these days is more often than not, we don't buy a ready-made replacement.

So we'd sell Nani for £20m (ballpark figure) and spend chicken change on some young English lad who won't even make a dent on the first team for 2-3years.....that's no good. We'd need someone capable of coming in all guns blazing - we're supposed to be making improvements, not treading water.

Anyway, let's get it done tonight - 1-2 United, then we can play the young 'uns!

RED_SKY

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I'm not sure about Ince he is young and will improve but I think we need a good winger now.

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If we signed Ince, we would sign him very cheap or free and probably still sign someone like Rodriguez. Ince wouldn't be a first team regular. He'll probably initially replace someone like Brady who can't stick around much longer given that he's been given no games. I'm also beginning to think that Petrucci won't be around much longer either.

Fresh!

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07 Nov 2012 11:28:50
Interesting reading how Mancini's time at City could be nearing an end. Given that City now have 2 ex-Barca personnel at the club, are they moving closer to hiring Guardiola. I'm posting this on this site, because the powers that be are surely including Pep in the list of candidates to replace SAF, who must surely be leaving no later that the end of next season. If they were very interested on Pep, would SAF move aside now to avoid losing him to City. I have no proof but I have a feeling Guardiola has already been lined up to replace SAF. Personally, I think Mourinho is a better choice than Pep, but Mourinho's eye-gouge and other antics really turned me off him, but he is the best candidate. Klopp is quickly gaining an excellent reputation, but is he experienced enough?
Any got any preferences? or thoughts on Mancini being fired soon?

J Bones.

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I quite like Ancelotti. Laurent Blanc plays nice football. I like Pep and Jose for stopgaps. It would never happen, but perhaps Jose with Keane as his number two until Keane is ready to replace him in years to come. I am not too fussed about Keane's managerial history, with a team like United he would be a very strong manager and no one would want to play bad for him. So perhaps Pep or Jose with Keane as the number two for me. Personally I do not see SAF allowing it and doubt it's even under consideration, but it's what I would do.

Sydney!

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I posted last year the best signing city could make would be a top manager, I'm not that big a fan of mancini and I think jose would do very well there. That said I have a feeling he may want the united job. He has said his next job will be in england he wants to build something and that the move will be about his heart not money, so who knows
Jred

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I think Ancelotti would be great but my first choice is Mourinho, iv got a feeling it's gonna be Moyes tho

Big Mac

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Interesting choice Sydney. I really don't think Keane would work as a #2 though, and SAF will have so much input into this choice you are correct saying he would not allow it.
Ancelotti is definitely experienced, it will be interesting to see how he progresses with PSG.

J Bones.

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Pep with Solskjaer as number 2!

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07 Nov 2012 10:07:12
I am so glad Nasri opted for city. I for one cannot stand his demeanour on the pitch. He looks like a right spooky little kid!

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He resembles certain types of people who if stood near me I'd feel a sudden urge to punch em.

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07 Nov 2012 10:06:01
Well we need just one more win to concrete our place in the next round. I think a win will probably mean us finishing top too. I think it's time to see Smalling play although the manager thinks it's still too early. If that's the case then why take him to Portugal? I think we will line-up something like this:

___________DDG____________
Rafa___Small____Evans___Evra
______Carrick___Anders______
L.Nani_____Rooney_____Young
__________V.Persie__________

I think Anderson and Nani will play against Braga with their Portuguese backgrounds. Perhaps see Ferdinand, Cleverley & Valencia start at Villa. I think we may see Powell come on as a sub too. Perhaps that will depend on how the game is going and whether Anderson can last 65 minutes ;)

Thoughts lads?

Banter please Ed.

Sydney!

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Sydney

Im not to sure Nani will play, against Portugeese opostion he seems to play even worse than normal because he want's to take everybody on to prove a point.
Who ever plays i think that we should win and secure our place in the next round.

Simmo

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Sydney!

I think you are not too far off but I believe SAF will take a little more of a gamble knowing that Cluj still must come to OT (if one more win would secure top spot is the case). I see the lineup as this:

_________De Gea_________
Rafa___Ferdy___Evans___Buttner
_______Fletcher___Anderson____
Nani_______Rooney______Welbeck
___________Chich_____________

just my thoughts but who knows!

ussoldier77

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Correction:

Fletcher was ill I forgot...so Carrick in for him.

ussoldier77

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Same team except i think he might start clevs in place of carrick to give him a rest before saturday and i think he might just start welbeck before nani or young. hopefully RVP doesnt get injured obviously because we'll miss him but also because im going to the villa game on sat and i cant wait to see him play!

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Phil, I do not want to take Villa for granted, but I think we could see a few goals go in at Villa Park. They have a lot of injuries and even if all fit they are not particularly strong anymore. The fact they are home could be their saving grace, but I think Villa are due a hammering and we are due another Wigan type performance. Perhaps this weekend with be the game?

Sydney!

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77, Welbeck could well play if fit, but I would like to see us take this one last game seriously so that we can relax and play the fringies in the other two remaining games. Perhaps Young will be saved for the Villa game seems it's his old side.

Sydney!

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Sydney!

The common thread here is...isnt it nice to have options!

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I hope so syd,dont get to go to the games as often these days be nice to see a few goals go in.

phil

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07 Nov 2012 09:55:18
Here's one....Who would you say was/is SAF's greatest signing during his time a utd? There are many contenders and its really a hard one....but.... I'll start it off with my opinion......

The great dane himself... Peter Schmeichel ....truely a great and imo the best keeper in history!

Rouge Diablo :)

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Christiano Ronaldo has to be best business surely? {Ed001's Note - surely Fergie is right on this one, I agree with his assessment of his best ever signing - Dennis Irwin. He is one of the best fullbacks of the modern era, in my opinion, never got the recognition he deserved.}

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Great Topic!

I think SAF has said before that Dennis Irwin was always his best signing.

For me it has to be between Cantona or Ronaldo.
Cantona because he's Cantona lol.
Ronaldo - 12m albeit took him a couple of years but was a complete bargin - destroyed the EPL.

Others have to be Solskjaer, Schmeichel, Rooney, Yorke.

Flip side - the worst Signings? Kleberson, Djmeba Djemba (not so good they named him twice) Bebe, Obertan?

Giants14

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Cantona

DesiRed.

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Has to be Ronaldo for me

Big Mac

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Eric Cantona, the trophies started coming in after he came to United.

SHAITAN

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Tough one Rouge Diablo! The mercurial Cantona could be seen as the catalyst for the good times. Schmeichel was always brilliant. Ronaldo is one of the greatest of all time. Giggs/Scholes are legends.
For me though, it has to be Keane, he was immense during his time here. Not only a superb player, he was a leader by example, he drove his team-mates on time and time again. If I could bring back anyone from SAF's time here until now, it would definitely be Keane. He would bulldoze his way through the team, kicking ass along the way until we would be the dominant team in the PL, and probably the CL again.
Aaaaaahhhhh, he sighs, if only.

J Bones.

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Schmeichel or cantona for me
jred

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Flipping heck! - can't believe i forgot about Keane - that changes things!

Shame on me :(

Giants14

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I have to say i agree with you all haha, its so hard as theres been many, so i think it comes down to personal preference :) i was torn between keane and schemichel, we had great talent at the club duing their era but i feel these were the two who held it all together..peter leading/organizing/screaming from the back and keano leading/dominating/screaming/crunching! from the mid (great going forward aswell).. i miss those days..haha... so so glad i was alive to witness such a great group of players...(and manager)...:)

Rouge Diablo :)

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God so many great players, my first thought though was Keane but Irwin superb too

Pardoe

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Imo it could be no other than big Pete.

Aaaaaaagh that save v Rapid Vienna, nobody else in the world could do that!

Jono

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07 Nov 2012 09:52:46
So Ferguson thinks we've got a good chance of winning CL this year. He also mentioned that Real and Barca are the teams to beat! Without even mentioning Dortmund and Bayern! Sorry guys but if we go thru and come up against Dortmund, then I think it will show us all how far we've slipped technically.
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NoMidfield, I was going to ask you when would you find something good with the team, but your name says it all. Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Nani, Carrick, Scholes and Valencia currently compared to Giggs, Carrick, Scholes and Ronaldo of 2008 are a sorry lot.
Comapred to Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Kanchelskis of the nineties both teams would come nowhere close if there was a match-up.
Looking at the above the main problem is Giggs and Scholes have not been replaced properly, and we will always be looking for another Keane.
Maybe Cleverly, Ando, Tunnicliffe, Petrucci and Powell are good enough to be the future, but they need game-time to improve, especially Ando, who is showing some promise lately. SAF has to keep him playing regularly for him to gain match fitness and confidence. Petrucci and Tunnicliffe (and Powell) would be better off being loaned out to clubs that play them to get match practice.
I wont even start on the wingers, Valencia versus Ronaldo or Kanchelkis. Nani versus Giggs in his prime! Sharpe was a better player than Nani because his delivery was excellent.

J Bones.

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He did mention Dortmund.

REDFAITH

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Alex Ferguson You can't look past Real Madrid and Barcelona, and I do think that Borussia Dortmund's campaign will be about the Champions League this season.
I think those three teams have an outstanding chance and I hope we can join them because I think we have a got a good squad of players"

Yeah I see your point...he doesnt mention "DORTMUND" at all !!

Devil Dust.

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If you read SAF's comments he actually mentions Dortmund and how they will contend the CL this year.

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Actually he mentioned that Dortmund are also a threat. He said that they are already 11 pts behind Bayern in the league and that they are preparing themselves to do well in the CL.
I read it on internet so can't tell if its true or made up.

SHAITAN

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You will find he said Barca, Real and Dortmund are the teams to beat which is right

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07 Nov 2012 09:05:48
can we just have the dortmund midfield along with lewandowski and hummels. what a team they have got. so good to watch, have kept me on the edge of my seat in the champions league and i cant wait until city go to germany for a thumping.

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Agree totally. We can only dream of such a midfield. But let's hope one day we can start buying the top midfielders instead of the mediocre players we have in that position.
NoMidfield

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Nomidfield you are an annoying poster on here. Always winging about the state of our midfield, is 8 wins from 10 in the premier league and 3 from 3 in the cl not good enough for you armchair manager.Glory hunters like you are a disgrace to our club, you obviously know more than Saf ?

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07 Nov 2012 11:28:05
Dortmund are the team we should be looking to emulate, they have very ggod players most of which they've either brought through the ranks or bought when very young. But the real key to Dortmunds success is they are tactically very good, they play as a team and everyone knows their job in the team and are well drilled at it. They have two systems of playing and if one doesn't work they switch and change it quickly and efficently.
We could sign all their players but they wouldn't be as good unless we played them in the same system and trained them in the same way. We are seeing this with Kagawa
So instead of focusing on one team an their players lets focus on ours and develop a systems that works best for us with the players we already have and then we can get to the top again.

Shappy

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No name, I am sorry if I'm annoying anyone, that's not why I post. I post because I love United and have supported them since 1966. I'm just worried by the lack of development in our team and tactics and especially in midfield. I want united to be the best team. That's all. Once again apologies if it causes any offence as non was meant.
NoMidfield

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07 Nov 2012 17:46:27
@NoMidfield, And how many of those midfielders did Dortmund BUY? How many of those were TOP players before they played for them?

Meanwhile, i suggest you believe a bit more and get behind the boys instead of salivating at the sights of other teams.

REDFAITH

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07 Nov 2012 08:04:20
Interesting article about Pogba on the bbc sport website.
Still think we missed a trick letting him go. Would have slotted into midfield this year quite nicely.

jamesmack8

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Don't mention his name out loud. It's forbidden here.

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No name, its not forbidden - no one has stated that you can not discuss or say anything about Pogba but it bring up he's had a good game, ooh we made a mistake after every Juventus game, its getting a bit old.

Pogba was a Utd player, he wanted first team football and more money - he joined a lesser team in a lesser league, that was his decision.
Was i disappointed to see him go? yes
Do i think he'll be a world class player? maybe only time will tell.
Am i gonna cry every time he plays well? No, i focus on Utd because they are my team, players come and go - Ronaldo arguably the greatest Utd player in recent history bagged his bags but do we cry everytime he puts on a Madrid shirt? Players come and go, if he thought the grass is greener on the other side thats his decision and me personnally couldnt care less.

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07 Nov 2012 07:42:23
Tonight i would like to see anderson play alongside cleverly !

and a run out or some pitch time for samlling or jones.

We are in a comfortable position so can afford to tinker and give game time to players

Wouldnt mind to see powell aswell

Big V

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Play strong team to guarantee qualification and 1st place then play remaining 2 games with squad players and youngsters.

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Just out of interest, can you see Cleverley, Anderson, or Powell playing for Dortmund, real, or barca? I can't and there lies the problem. I can't even see them playing for citeh or Chelsea!
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Anderson yes, cleverly abousolutely, nut Powell will be one of the best english midfielders we have ever had. We will be mentioning him in the same breath as scholes and gerrard.
Powell could play for any team and do it with a lit more class than some of their players. Wasn't chelsea pretty interested in him at one point, and im sure when city heard us mention his names they wanted him.
You watch powell next time he plays and tell he doesn't look like a young gerrard. I see you didn't mention carrick in that list, your not one of these people that bangs on about how he makes us tick. If you want to sum up carrick look at arsenals goal on saturday. Very slow and extremely dopey.

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Powell is 18, so you never know. But clev and ando , i dont think they would play for the top teams

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Milner and Barry regularly play for City so yes I could see them playing for City

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07 Nov 2012 04:06:57
Out of pure boredom, I was visiting rival teams' rumour pages, got bored and decided I need a good laugh. So here i am on the liverpool banter page and i stumble upon this :

" King kenny gets a lot of stick for his spending policy. Roy before him was hardly a hit with the fans. But both have a Hugh part in bringing Luis to our club. A player signed for 23m now worth 50+. A player in my opinion up there with messi . A player lfc must keep and build a team around."

Needless to say, I was left laughing out loud in the middle of the night.

And the worst part is, he had more agrees than disagrees. To say scousers are dellusional is the understatement of the century.

Mick

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Some are slightly bonkers I agree. Others are realists though. I have a couple Scouse mates and they know just how bad of shape the club is in and have accepted that for the next decade they will not be playing UCL football. Suarez is a decent player, Liverpool's only player of that calibre, but he isn't close to Ronaldo or Messi's level. He isn't even in the tier below. Still in the third tier for me and I cannot see him getting much better as for every bit of good he does he wastes far more. Liverpool need to make the most of him being there because he will not be happy with the Europa League or less for much longer. I wouldn't be surprised if this was his final season at the club before FSG cashed in on him. With five years on his current deal in the summer they could get maximum value for him. 40m euros would be a more realistic figure in today's market. It wouldn't be any more than that and probably a little less IMO.

Sydney!

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People on this site were saying rooney was as good as messi only a couple of months ago ,lots of football fans are biased

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No one has ever said Rooney is as good as Messi on this page. It simply isn't true and us United fans know that.

Sydney!

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There's on 2 players currently in the top tier Ronny and Messi. Below them Xavi, Rooney, Iniesta, Aguero, Yaya that calibre of player

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No name, I agree and I see LS as under the second tier.

Sydney!

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Agreed syd, I'd put Suarez in a category with people like Valencia etc

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Third tier like Mata, Oscar, Cazorla, Kagawa etc IMO. Of course any of these could become 2nd tier at some stage.

Sydney!

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07 Nov 2012 01:36:03
I remember once I got slated by Ngiak or whatever he calls himself when I said Christian Eriksen is the most like for like of Paul Scholes in his earlier more attacking years than any other player out there and I would snatch him in a heart beat.... Well I still would and he is getting better and better..... Imagine a 4231 but play the 3 behind the striker more centrally so it is more like 3 number 10's like the Chelsea team now..... Imagine Rooney, Eriksen and Kagawa behind RVP.

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He is more like Rooney than Scholes tbh. He only plays well when he is given a free role. He was played in midfield for denmark and he was so bad you would think he is bebe in a mask.

Mick

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I stand corrected, didnt notice you made comparisons to younger scholes.

Mick

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