Manchester United Banter Archive April 08 2015

08 Apr 2015 21:44:09
I would just like to clear a few things up in regards to the 'LVG haters'. Firstly there is no 'LVG haters' as they have been labeled, there was folk irritated by our spineless performances, our anti football and our gaffers very odd speeches. Since the Spurs game he has had nothing but plaudits from everyone including those labeled 'LVG haters' and rightly so.

So for individuals to be labelled as 'LVG haters' or 'the doom mongrels' when they can applaud as well as give out criticism is lost on me. I have also seen certain people write things like 'LVG haters can't wait for us to lose so they can have their say'. To those folk I say have a word with yourself. Even the most staunch opposer of the manager would never want our team to lose.

I personally am pleased to see us play the way I knew we could but do I think it could have 'clicked' sooner? Yes. Could some of those eye watering drab draws have been wins? Yes. If the gaffer got his house in order sooner could he have made himself a legend at OT by leading a team who finished 7th to the title? Maybe. But that is in the past and at the minute we are in fine fettle and long may it continue.

Just remember we are all fans cut from the same cloth - be that optimistic or pessimistic - , we all want the same thing and have the club's interests firmly at heart.

08 Apr 2015 22:51:33
I disagree there's been plenty of posts slagging the manager off and not just about the football that was being played.

08 Apr 2015 23:59:02
JMB,

You might not be a hater but that doesn't mean there haven't been plenty of them on here, especially after defeats. Jaime comes on after every game we don't win calling lvg a loser and saying he should be fired. There have been times when certain people have had nothing nice to say and the back tracking at the moment by certain people is laughable.

Nobody has ever said you don't have the clubs interests at heart, but some people would not listen to the people who were saying let's just wait and see, there is a good chance it will come good, these people were shouted down and told they were apologists and the 'realists' knew what was really happening. So you can't blame the 'apologists' now that it looks like they were correct and the 'realists' are back tracking like hell.

09 Apr 2015 01:20:28
I'm not blaming anyone GDS. There are optimists and pessimists that is life but to say statements like 'the doom mongrels can't wait for us to lose' or words to that effect is just embarrassing and ludicrous.

09 Apr 2015 01:54:03
I could count on one hand, the number of people on this site who've called for LVG to be sacked during the season. Let's not blow things out of proportion just to to start an argument.

09 Apr 2015 03:35:58
Gds2 let's have it right it's taken 9 months for us to have anything to be upbeat about in the way of performances and it seems we have only got there because LVGs hand was forced. If it wasn't for injuries and suspensions, RVP would be up front with rooney in CM and mata and Herrera on the bench. So whilst I admit I probably shouldn't post straight away after some terrible performances I think most of us so called LVG doubters have good reason. I don't believe seasoned internationals like rooney, di Maria or mata have taken 9 months to understand a footballing philosophy of how to play a specific strategy. Whilst it's good to see the team play well and get some results I still think there are a lot of managers who would have done just as good or better given the resources and time LVG has had. Let's hope we achieve champs league qualification and see what happens in the summer, there can be no excuses next season if we are not competitive for top honors.

09 Apr 2015 07:45:31
Jamie I don't agree with everything you post mate but that is a decent post. At least you have given your reasons rather than just attacking the manager with silly comments. Fair play.

09 Apr 2015 07:46:29
Odd speaches?

09 Apr 2015 09:06:51
Jaime,

That is the best post you have ever made, people will respect your opinion more if you back it up with an argument and don't come across like you are telling people what to think. Me and JMB rarely agree but I respect him a lot, the same goes for beast, I'm sure down the pub we would have a good chat and put the world to rights, but your posts have always been so negative and only after a defeat so it's impossible to respect someone who only does that.

One last point to everybody on the site, it is doom mongers, not doom mongrels, I've seen this creeping in a few times and for God sake these people might be miserable when we lose but they are not dogs!

09 Apr 2015 09:42:21
Hear hear GDS!

09 Apr 2015 11:30:43
GDS cheers pal i think for the remainder of the season i will wait to calm down after a match before posting lol. I just had so much expectation after LVGs appointment especially after the shambles under Moyes. i didn't expect we would dominate the world i just thought we were going to be entertained with good attacking football and start to look like a solid club with direction again. So when we produced some of the worst performances i remember seeing since the start of the EPL i felt the need to vent which i agree in most cases was just an over exaggerated rant. Hopefully although very much belated, maybe through accident or fan pressure it seems LVG has finally managed to persuade the players or himself of a style that produces results and fits into the culture of our club. If we achieve champions league qualification i will overall regard this season as a step in the right direction, however given the financial backing I will expect a lot better next season in terms of being a real competitive force and i ' think there can be any excuses come next May.

08 Apr 2015 21:07:08
I would just like to clear a few things up in regards to the 'LVG haters'. Firstly there is no 'LVG haters' as they have been labeled, there was folk irritated by our spineless performances, our anti football and our gaffers very odd speeches. Since the Spurs game he has had nothing but plaudits from everyone including those labeled 'LVG haters' and rightly so.

So for individuals to be labelled as 'LVG haters' or 'the doom mongrels' when they can applaud as well as give out criticism is lost on me. I have also seen certain people write things like 'LVG haters can't wait for us to lose so they can have their say'. To those folk I say have a word with yourself. Even the most staunch opposer of the manager would never want our team to lose.

I personally am pleased to see us play the way I knew we could but do I think it could have 'clicked' sooner? Yes. Could some of those eye watering drab draws have been wins? Yes. If the gaffer got his house in order sooner could he have made himself a legend at OT by leading a team who finished 7th to the title? Maybe. But that is in the past and at the minute we are in fine fettle and long may it continue.

Just remember we are all fans cut from the same cloth - be that optimistic or pessimistic - , we all want the same thing and have the club's interests firmly at heart.

08 Apr 2015 18:48:10
Wondering what happened to LvG's philosophy of playing youngsters?

So should we credit LvG or should we credit injuries for the games played by Blackett, McNair, Januzaj?

I don't want to be the person who says things from both sides and I am extremely happy by the way we are playing and I do not want him to change the line up now but I do hope that LvG sticks to at least this part of his philosophy and gives chances to youngsters next season instead on being compelled to play youngsters due to injury.

08 Apr 2015 19:38:41
That is generally how young players get their chance, you don't put them in if they aren't better than what you have, but if they get their chance due to an injury and prove themselves then they stay in.

08 Apr 2015 19:39:29
It's really simple. We're out of every competition besides the league, fewer games and every point matters so we play our best side. It would be career suicide to start playing youngsters in crunch games when we have better more experienced senior players fit and playing well.

I feel sorry for Shaw, because injuries have cost him his place and Blind has stepped up. But Januzaj has been miles off this year, Wilson needs a loan, Pereira needs to commit, and, let's be honest, players like Blackett and McNair are unlikely to reach the level required at a club like United. Good youth players will always get their chance. The problem is that we simply haven't been producing quality young players for a long time now.

08 Apr 2015 19:54:34
Danny

Shaw is our long term left back and his year reminds of Fellaini's last year when he was never right and was carrying something. At this level little niggling injuries are the difference of a yard of pace and half second of reaction time and they do make a big difference.

We need a right back

08 Apr 2015 20:17:46
Good post Danny Imo.

Another point is, its generally getting harder to blood youngsters purely because the league is more competitive than in the 90's. Chelsea and City bring thru very little. Arsenal and Liverpool not as many as you'd expect either getting a real chance. Its just tough to do nowadays.

Having said that I do see Adnan, Wilson and especially Shaw getting games eventually as they are clearly very promising youngsters with big futures. And I think LvG will stick to his way of giving youth a chance where possible.

08 Apr 2015 13:21:54
I can already feel the stick coming my way for this comment but I will post it anyway. After watching us finally coming to the party and playing some good stuff lately I have been thinking about our striking department. We have been linked with every name under the sun Benzema, Ronaldo, and most recently Cavani etc. Would I like one those players? Of course I would.

However, I would like to point out that with us playing the way we are at the minute I think Danny Welbeck could have finally found his feet in this team. I know some will say he had his chance over and over which I agree with but when you look at the improvement of players like Ashely Young for example, I feel he could have prospered.

He was always good at picking up positions and his versatility was always an asset. He was a homegrown lad and you could see he loved the club. I suppose in hindsight it's easy to say this now but I would have liked to have kept him and like I said I believe with this group of players, playing good football, we could have catapulted his career to the heights that Sturridge has reached for Liverpool.

08 Apr 2015 14:34:34
Danny had endless chances including playing with some great players and never cemented a spot, he's not exactly set the world on fire at Arsenal either. Same as Nani, time to look forward not back

08 Apr 2015 16:41:50
I think it just hurts to lose local lads who like you say, clearly love the team. We'll never know, but I think we can have a good guess.

08 Apr 2015 17:12:02
Danny left United because he wasn't playing down the middle. He joined arsenal where he thought he would and after 6 weeks there has found himself wide again!

I like welbz and he will always feel like our own but his time had come and his scoring record has hardly improved much if u take away the hat trick in the CL.

Would u pay 16m for him now? I know I wouldn't and to be honest arsenal need there heads testing for doing so imo.

08 Apr 2015 17:26:43
Young was a good winger before he lost form, he has refound form. Welbeck, however, has never been capable of being a striker in a top team, so he never had the form to refind in all honesty.

08 Apr 2015 17:29:45
Don't know where people keep coming from with welbeck, he can't finish mate. It's as simple as that! If your playing against Barcalona in the champions league and your gong to get two chances in 90 mins would you feel confident welbeck will put them away? I certainly wouldn't

08 Apr 2015 19:00:17
I really liked welbeck but he wasnt and and don't think he ever will be clinical enough to be a top striker. He took instinctive chances well but if he had time he almost always fluffed it.

08 Apr 2015 19:58:06
Welbeck has not scored in the league for Arsenal since the turn of the year. He has one of the worst goal to minute ratio's around and i can't understand the love fest with this guy. He is currently warming the subs bench for Arsenal and barring injuries is not even first choice there.

08 Apr 2015 21:09:37
£16million to loan Falcao for the year or keep a homegrown player with plenty of scope to improve. Which would you choose now Chris?

08 Apr 2015 21:09:42
Lol JMB, looks like you were right to expect some stick.

08 Apr 2015 21:20:37
Who would I choose to have in my squad welbeck or falcao? Are u mental? Falcao came with a pedigree of a top top striker and for some reason has not worked out.

it's worrying that all this is based on hindsight with falcao from u but with Danny u have the previous to go on and hindsight and you would still choose him.

So yes if u offered me falcao at the start of the season I would of took it.

08 Apr 2015 21:29:11
Chris you said 'would you pay £16million for Welbeck now' isn't that hindsight? I am asking you the same in a hypothetical scenario. No need to get snappy.

08 Apr 2015 21:27:45
AJH - JMB and stick are one of the same these days!

08 Apr 2015 23:01:24
Lol I'm not being snappy mate, but if u read my post it's hardly hindsight when that's what he went for in the summer and it's not like he's been in red hot form ever let alone when he left.

Yes a decent player and nice lad it seems but no I would of chose falcao over keeping him in the summer. I would question anyone that would of not tbh bud.

09 Apr 2015 02:14:26
JMB falcao before his injury was arguably one of if not the most lethal striker in world football. His goal per game ratio in Spain and France were incredible! Without a crystal ball nobody could say he would have such a poor season with us whatever the reason. On the other hand welbecks goal to minute ratio is shambolic really, he had years to cement a place and couldn't cut it. He can't finish his dinner. So I don't believe thre is a single person here who would of rather keep welbeck than take Falcoa at the beginning of this season

09 Apr 2015 07:42:15
Watch Falcao have a huge year next year where ever he lands. People who have had this injury will tell you it is not a 4 to 6 months process and takes 18 months to get the knee very stable. He is a classy player and that never leaves you. Danny has never had class and more of a little bambi :))

08 Apr 2015 10:39:16
What do people think about Cavani?

I think he is a good player who works for the team and his all round play is also very good (although finishing could improve) but there are more negatives with signing him.

- Huge wages
- Huge transfer fee (he is 28 now so sell on value will also be less)
- Constant exposure to Luis Suarez on international duty is bound to have some mental effect on Cavani :P

08 Apr 2015 11:18:11
He would do well in the premier league. He always gives as much as he can and is a team player. In terms of sell on fee if he bangs goals in for the next four years if we signed him up who cares about the sell on fee?

I'd take him but he will be costly.

08 Apr 2015 12:26:53
Hi Guys
I may well be in the minority but I'm not that impressed with him.I think he is one dimensional and I believe we need a more mobile forward someone like Vietto or Dyballa.It is only my opinion though.I also think the overall cost of the player will be far too much.

08 Apr 2015 12:53:26
It makes no commercial sense to buy Cavani, it also makes no footballing sense as he isn't a prolific goal scorer. Doesn't feel like a legitimate rumour from the press

08 Apr 2015 13:03:21
Baz I do not think you are in the minority mate, I feel Cavani is a player who folk will have split opinions on. One thing though, I don't think he is one dimensional in fact he is fairly versatile and even gets back to defend in his own box.

The lads you mentioned Dybala I haven't seen much of but I do like the lad Vietto and would take a chance on him for sure.

08 Apr 2015 13:16:00
I just wonder where he'd fit in. Rooney has to stay up top, so that narrows it down to the right which he's moaning about playing at Paris

08 Apr 2015 17:14:56
I think Cavani would light the league up wherever he goes.