Manchester United Banter Archive December 08 2018

 

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08 Dec 2018 19:57:23
Saying for months Valencia was a serious hindrance and today we saw the future and the potential of how we can improve. When lukaku starts to read the crosses he will score a lot of goals too.

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08 Dec 2018 20:27:30
Excellent point re lukaku.

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09 Dec 2018 12:29:13
Hers hoping so.

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08 Dec 2018 19:12:20
How refreshing is it to see our right hand side being used in a game? First time in ages we've got a fullback who can overlap, cross and he's actually quite skillful, some of his crosses today were fantastic. Hope he keeps it up.

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{Ed0333's Note - good player him. Has fire in his belly too.

08 Dec 2018 19:53:01
Yes, need more of them Ed0333, like Herrera, also excellent today. Needs to work on his defensive side but looks good so far, a HUGE upgrade on Johnny Jerk off lol.

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{Ed0333's Note - I watched your game and I honestly thought you had a bit of effervescence and identity in your play today. I never thought you’d play better without Pogba and Sanchez. Doesn’t that sound crazy?

08 Dec 2018 19:58:03
His athleticism and final ball are phenomenal for his age. By the end of the season he might just be our best full back. Our team FINALLY looked balanced with him pushing up on the right flank.

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{Ed0333's Note - he’s got a great future ahead of him at this rate mate.

08 Dec 2018 20:26:35
I think that may be a bit harsh on Sanchez personally Ed, we look a lot better when he's played upfront for us this season, movement, agility, technique, he can p
Press, think he's been a bit unlucky this season, we look better without Pogba, Lukaku wasn't great, Valencia, Fellaini. Was a good game to watch, eptomised, for me, by Herrera.

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{Ed0333's Note - I still think Sanchez should be on the right.

08 Dec 2018 20:54:47
I agree Herrera was good today Scholes and I would probably have in our best possible team, but I thought his defensive awareness and pressing were his best asset. He's overly cautious on the ball though and only commits himself forward when we break high up the pitch. Him and Matic were stepping on each others toes today a bit today and didn't see the need for both of them at all. Fred on the other hand, all be it for the short time on the other hand, showed a willingness to drive the team forward either through incisive passes or clever runs in between the lines, he should have started really.

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08 Dec 2018 21:05:53
Was at the game today lads done well.
Change in tactics a bit, thank God and surprise surprise a bit of a better performance .
More intensity, better press cm 20 yards further up the pitch at least .
Rash showed his potential again I am amazed people question him . lukaku pushed on pressed the cb instead of dropping in to 70m line .
Matic wasn't playing as a 3rd cb .
Well done Jose give a little bit of a glimpse of what the team can do .
That said they are a poor team on that performance.

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08 Dec 2018 21:36:03
That said they are a poor team on that performance?

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09 Dec 2018 07:52:34
He means Fulham.

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09 Dec 2018 08:07:51
I was wondering 😂.

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09 Dec 2018 12:50:44
I have felt of late that our weakness down the right has been as much a destabiliser as the misfiring midfield and makeshift (by that I mean chopping and changing either due to form or injury) defence. Like most here I assume, I have played in various positions but a key to a strong defence is a group who plays together regularly and learns to play as a unit with each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Dalot did very well against Fulham. He provided what we have been lacking the last 2 years from Tony. Width on the right, someone to go past players and some balls into the box from the right and be a threat. I have been a Tony fan he has been a good servant but his day is past. I hope Dalot can stay in the team and develop further. He certainly looks to have the potential. This will also make it harder for teams to stop Shaw/ Martial when they return. Mourinho should learn from this. You are old enough if you are good enough. Simple as that.
Well done Dalot for finally bringing some balance to this United team.

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08 Dec 2018 19:10:43
A good day in Manchester. Whilst i am happy for a City loss, i am devastated at who is top of the table today.

PS- it may still change as there are still 10 min to go at Stamford Bridge.

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08 Dec 2018 17:54:12
Well done boys!

'Its only fullham' - don't care tbh.

GGMU.

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08 Dec 2018 18:40:47
Yes, a good win and a good performance, let’s hope we keep a winning team.

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08 Dec 2018 19:57:30
I thought Fred looked great as well when he came on.

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08 Dec 2018 17:38:07
Diogo Dalot looks a player lads. Some phenomenal crosses, I remember ed 001 saying he's very highly regarded over on the Liverpool page in the summer.

That performance was everything we wanted, everyone working hard, and working for the team. Big shoutout to lukaku, looked much sharper, had much better movement and his touch was there today. Rashford, fantastic.

But the two players who I feel made the biggest impact were Herrera and Mata. I lost count how many times Herrera won the ball back, and he really set the tone, especially first half with his pressing. Paul Pogba take note. Mata, may just be the be the most technically gifted player we have had in years, his goal was just beautiful. So many nice touches in and around the box, linked well with dalot by creating him space moving infield.

Hopefully we get a big performance from pogba on Wednesday night and a few younger lads get a chance. Great performance.

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08 Dec 2018 19:27:27
Absoutely caolan

Mata and Herrera - 2 of UTDs forgotten game changers

Not the best against every team but ran astic against a team that their style suits.

Ander especially because he was one of our out n out vest players not so many seasons ago.

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08 Dec 2018 17:23:00
Well that was boring!

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08 Dec 2018 19:28:14
No bites mate. He fish are sleeping.

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08 Dec 2018 19:36:58
They usually are asleep after we win. Nothing to criticize so let's just go to sleep. Our "fans".

Its 1 am in India and i am still buzzing.

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08 Dec 2018 20:39:51
Well united addict -

Hello to India from us in England.

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{Ed0333's Note - Namaste

09 Dec 2018 06:17:32
Greetings from India for you guys too. 🙏🙏.

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08 Dec 2018 17:10:58
What's different the past 2 games why all of a sudden are players running and hounding the other team.

Energy passion and movement.

Where has this been all season.

Let's hope it continues.

Rashford again was fantastic and dalot. finally someone who can cross a ball.

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09 Dec 2018 00:06:54
Because the meecenary pogba wasn't playing.

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08 Dec 2018 17:08:44
Dalot unreal today, we looked a lot sharper without Pogba.

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08 Dec 2018 16:55:08
Even thou was against Fulham, it was good to see us score more than a goal at home. Supporters deserved for too long.

Dalot had a superb game, Rash, Lingard and Lukaku had a very good effort running up and down for the ball.

Every single player played well today.

Shame we hadn't a clean sheet.

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08 Dec 2018 15:47:05
Is this Manchester United for real? Nice to see us playing well for a change, fluid and attacking.

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08 Dec 2018 16:42:42
Do you think its a change of tactics today? According to some on here jose has been tellung pogba martial fellaini valencia to be bone idle and stand still but today he obviously told the players to run around a bit.
Yez its only a poor fulham but a few virus's missing today and matic looks better. No valencia we have good attacking runs. Rom and rash moving off the ball. No forward player just playing for himself and moving when he feels like it.
Dalot man of match as i write this in 85th min.

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08 Dec 2018 16:56:10
Notice who isn't starting.

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08 Dec 2018 17:38:17
We are showing pogba too much love when he doesn't try for France they get on his back that's why he had a big world cup . he is here 2 and a half years picking up 300000 a week and not getting stick from fans at old Trafford . it's an easy ride for him.

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08 Dec 2018 17:38:32
Can't even win without people pointing fingers and making digs. Pathetic really.

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08 Dec 2018 17:49:34
All I m saying he needs to improve.

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08 Dec 2018 18:02:41
All I'm saying look what a different team we are without him. Much better performance.

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08 Dec 2018 11:04:30
I was interested to read this morning a story that we may be about to sign a young player called Noam Emeran, a 16 year old at French club Amiens. I understand he is a striker and a lot of top clubs were after him. Reports are that a deal could eventually cost £8.9million, with bonuses.

We did the same with players like Chong and Puigmal. It will be interesting to see how these players work out in future. Players like Garner, Greenwood and Chong should be starting to knock at the door next season. I hope that we are getting these players like Puigmal and if it happens Emeran, with a view to play for the first team in years to come and not as a conveyor belt to make money. I wonder who has the Muelensteen coaching role at the club these days.

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08 Dec 2018 14:21:24
Some comments attributed to JM this week that the club can no longer just go and buy the best players from the other Prem league clubs. Maybe this is now a shift of recruitment emphasis?

I think we would all like to see some youth players breaking into the first team. To make that possible you have to have world class promise developing in your youth set up. Hopefully a good move.

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08 Dec 2018 09:00:37
I would agree there appears to be a split now in our squad, some players are working some are just lazy. Jose keeps giving out, if Pogba was not a 89million purchase he would be b benched every week, Jose needs to do that and show the whole squad he's in charge and if your not going to work hard whatever the system your out, other players might just change their attitude. Still think there a power struggle between Jose and Pogba and until this is sorted we are screwed.

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08 Dec 2018 13:54:03
pogba $89m lol i still don't understand how or why we paid so much money for him, i would have not paid $10m for him, this guy is just media hype, social media hype. Kante on the other hand. i just can't imagine how much Scholes would be worth in today's market. CRAZY.

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08 Dec 2018 18:30:15
When he plays well it get over hyped by us fans which is not too often.

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08 Dec 2018 08:23:59
It’s all about opinions but let’s try and talk facts.

Paul Pogba is a World Cup winner and had a really good World Cup

Lukaku has a proven track record of goalscoring, both in the Premier League and internationally.

We had the second best defensive record in the EPL last year, the ‘best team ever’ City conceded 1 less goal.

Jose spent the Summer slagging off the CBs and telling the World they are not good enough.

The stats say our team runs less than pretty much every other one in the EPL.

We signed. £50M midfielder in the Summer who can’t get a game.

Alexis Sanchez has been utter pants since we bought him (yes that one is my opinion but I also think it’s a fact) .

Putting facts aside, it seems there is something rotten in the club right now and it’s hard to fathom where the issue lies. Jose appears very frustrated with the players, despite the statement yesterday it seems there is a difference of opinion between him and EW on purchases, and PP is a distraction.

I would sell PP at the first opportunity and I would tell Lukaku that his contribution isn’t good enough; he needs to pick it up or he’s out too. I’d use the cash for a midfield ‘leader’ and a top class striker and I would tell the team to play on the front foot, you score 3, we’ll score 4. I’d stop slagging off the players publicly, I’d lighten up and stop scowling and whinging, I’d realise how lucky I am to be managing one of the biggest clubs in the world and I’d stop, banging on about my past success. Unlikely isn’t it.

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{Ed001's Note - what do you mean by Pogba 'had a really good World Cup'? Surely that is opinion too, because whenever I saw France play Kante was carrying Pogba and doing all the work for him and Pogba offered very little. Pogba has to be the most overrated player in the game right now. He gets carried by every team he is in and still people rave about him because he happens to be part of good teams.}

08 Dec 2018 09:21:49
Tris, I'm not a Pogba fan and I agree he is masssiveky overrated, i'd sell him tomorrow. Ok it's not a fact, but it was generally accepted he had a good World Cup, both on and off the pitch.

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{Ed001's Note - did you think he had a good World Cup? Only I just don't see what he did. I saw Kante having to do his job with Pogba strapped to his back each game, but failed to see what was so good about Pogba.

But I am not sure if I am missing something, as so many times Ed004 has said on our editor's widget that Pogba has had a good game today, just as I am thinking how poor he has been. Maybe it is just me, maybe I just expect too much from him and judge him on what he could do, rather than what he actually does do?}

08 Dec 2018 09:26:47
Agreed with most of what you said AJH and definitely with 001. Pogba is the biggest problem at our club right now, not the manager. He can’t even trap a ball under his foot. He’s not fit for the job. Any other profession and he’d be managed out of the company, which is perhaps what Mourinho is doing, or needs to do. I struggle to see why any club would want him on current form.

AJH - let’s not forget that Olivier Giroud is also a World Cup winner, and that too is a fact.

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{Ed001's Note - but Olivier Giroud's link up play contributed to the win. He was not there as a goalscorer (luckily or they would have been in trouble!), he was there to hold the ball up and bring others into play. He does do that well, he also makes decent runs which create space for others. All things Pogba doesn't do. How many times has he made a forward run unselfishly to create space for a team mate?}

08 Dec 2018 09:44:47
Aside from opinion on whether Pogba had a good World Cup, there is, for me, also the bigger issue of comparing international football with the Premier League. It's like comparing apples and pears. Lots of very average EPL players look good at international level.

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{Ed001's Note - good point.}

08 Dec 2018 10:01:23
I do come up with one occasionally Ed :)
Unless you ask my missus who I am sure would disagree!

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{Ed001's Note - oh no, she says she often tells you what to say.}

08 Dec 2018 10:08:46
"Facts aside" is that code for ignore positives.

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08 Dec 2018 10:32:02
It's funny because when Jose wins it's down to him and when he loses the players aren't good enough.

I have no idea why the team aren't performing. I think we all agree that this team probably lacks the quality and consistency to win the league but they're certainly good enough to be in the mix for top 4 with the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea.

Our running stats are embarrassing and this is the principal reason why we aren't winning football matches. With the quality in our squad if we at least match the effort of the opposition we'd be much higher up the table. This comes from the manager and if the players aren't prepared to work hard then they shouldn't play. His "mad dog" comments were ill conceived and misleading. He prefers us to drop deep and he picks players without the necessary mobility to play on the front foot. This was yet another attempt to shift the blame to his players when his tactical approach and team selection is the real problem.

I maintain that Mourinho has the players in his squad to play a high intensity, pressing game but he chooses not to. He prefers to play Matic, Fellaini, Lukaku and continues to indulge Pogba despite them being at war.

He needs to select the players that will run, press and work hard and if they perhaps lack the quality, maturity or experience of the others then so be it because what we're seeing week in week out simply isn't good enough.

My team today would be Dea Gea, Dalot, Bailly, Rojo, Shaw, Herrera, Fred, Lingard, Martial, Chong and Rashford.

I'd tell them to run, press, chase, contest every ball. Never let them off the hook, Never let them make an easy pass, run all over them, let them feel the pressure, this is Old Trafford for F. sake.

At the moment they remind me of England pre Southgate. Too scared to take chances, stuck in the past playing slow, predictable, safe, percentage football. Does anyone really believe that if Allardyce was still in change then the likes of Rooney and Cahill wouldn't be in the team. Well that's where we are with Jose. He's placing his trust in the likes of Smalling, Matic, Fellaini, Lukaku, Pogba. when in reality these players are the problem. We need someone to breath new life into our team, bring fresh ideas, be braver, bolder, play faster and harder because percentage football will no longer suffice.

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08 Dec 2018 10:32:11
FZZ, walk me through the positives.

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08 Dec 2018 10:47:52
Chong won't play as he played last night.

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08 Dec 2018 10:57:06
I know it's only hypothetical I'm
just playing fantasy football pal indulge me please 😂.

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08 Dec 2018 10:59:41
FWIW - I think Pogba was nothing special in the World Cup, media over-hyped everything he did as usual - if France had lost the final nobody would be talking about Pogba having a great world cup. Most of this 'leader' lark comes from some speech he gave to the players so it portrayed him as a leader - the fact we all know about this speech tells me all I need to know about the purpose of it!

I often meet people that are incompetent in their work, they often tend to try and steer the dialogue when it starts getting dicey for them with distraction or by talking the loudest. It's the same as a player making a mistake and then lambasting his colleagues for not being in position or then flying into a stupid tackle to get the crowd back onside.

I'm bothered about what Pogba does on the pitch and that is turn up 1/ 5 games, even when he turns up it is typically in moments and selfish. Playing raking 60 yard balls to the wide forward who then has to beat 3 men because we have dropped so deep and he admires his pass. Or his favourite - doing a pointless trick in midfield which actually slows down the attack because he should have released the ball earlier and now the attackers are all picked up by their markers. Watch how many times he needless gives the ball away each game, bad enough for an attacker but for a CM with stuck in the mud Matic next to him, jeez!

Pogba suits a continental game and is the cherry on top if a team needs that luxury and can carry the liability. He needs more carrying than anybody in our team and most of them can't carry their own weight at the minute!

Get rid of him along with our toxic manager, they are both as bad as each other - no respect for the club, fans or their colleagues.

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08 Dec 2018 11:09:08
Beast great post my thoughts to T.

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08 Dec 2018 11:29:32
Agree everything abt yr post but not the Mourinho but.

Good post that DLIB.

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08 Dec 2018 11:48:20
I recall many saying kleberson had a great world cup .
Big deal.
Comparing intl football to epl is ridiculous its like 2 different sports.

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08 Dec 2018 12:07:38
I remember in 1934 a young German player had a great tournament, and he turned out to be Hitler. Can’t judge players on how they do in the WC because they could end up committing mass genocide.

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08 Dec 2018 12:08:00
Pogba was surrounded by top quality players with France, I’ve said all along he had maybe a decent half in the World Cup, can’t wait to see the back of him. I said at the time I didn’t want him and he’s done zilch to change my mind. Harsh words but unfortunately it’s time to cut our losses.

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08 Dec 2018 12:39:35
The amount of good games PP has had can be counted on captain hooks non sword arm. He needs selling but were reluctant because we can't get the asking price. We need to bite the bullet and consider a part-ex.

The midfield is woefully unbalanced. We all moan about matic but who else do we have for that role.

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Review Of The Day 8th December 2018

08 Dec 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 8th December 2018

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