Manchester United Banter Archive February 08 2020

08 Feb 2020 15:54:53
Interesting comments from Fred:

"We are lacking a lot right now, first of all we need to figure out things on the pitch, we are lacking creativity, especially in midfield. "

"We also need to improve as a group, our group lacks the 'sticking together mentality', we have lots of problems. "

"Vanity is also an issue and we need to stop this and just run on the pitch. "

"We need to be on the same page and today some players have different objectives, there are players that just want to solve problems alone and this is wrong. "

Fred, despite his limitations, has been one of our best players over the last few months. Primarily because he puts the work in and keeps up the effort for the full 90 minutes.

Three issues: lack of creativity, lack of teamwork, and big egos. Pretty bang on I think. Issues that encompass both the attitudes of certain players, and the tactical failings of the coaching team. If Fred is aware of these problems, the coaching team is too and we have to wonder why they haven't solved any of them.

08 Feb 2020 17:36:21
This is very scary if true.

08 Feb 2020 17:56:47
Maybe Fred should be player/ coach for the rest of the season.

08 Feb 2020 20:27:38
I read that this morning Danny. It is a worrying state of affairs. Good managers stamp down on vanity, and encourage unity. And it seems that this is not happening at present.
Also, players coming out criticising outdated training methods by McKenna. Who put together a coaching team of Solskjaer, phelan, Carrick and McKenna? It's an absolute joke.

08 Feb 2020 21:02:14
I respect freds words and his work rate on the pitch but he is part of the problem.

The level of his first touch compared with other professional footballers (not even high level) who play midfield is severely poor.

Cant help but thhink we would be more creative if our attacking players got the ball in more threatening areas from people like fred.

Having to take an extra touch on the ball or take an extra 5 seconds to make up for a poor touch is what slows down our attack and leads to the plodding tempo were so accustomed to seeing against teams that sit back.

09 Feb 2020 08:07:18
If Fred is right then it’s good he has called it out and frankly, is anyone surprised? Ole is trying to move on those he thinks don’t fit yet he continually enthuses about Pogba who is a major part of the problem. His intentions are sound but he seems incapable of delivering it.

I suspect we will slide to 7th and he will be gone before the season is out. If Poch is interested I expect him to be in next.

09 Feb 2020 08:27:01
I would guess Pogba. Lingard, Martial and Chong most unsettled/ affected by off pitch matters.

Let them go.

08 Feb 2020 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 8th February 2020

08 Feb 2020 09:51:02
Very interesting note about Klopps award Ed001. So Sir Alex has never done it? Strange. Or the league is pretty bad at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think that is the reason. It is more that Ferguson's teams never started well, they just built up momentum as the season went along. Nowadays, with modern science, players are at their peak almost immediately and can maintain the levels for much longer.}

08 Feb 2020 10:23:16
ed01 you had better show that to our coaching staff. our players look knackered after 20 mins.

{Ed001's Note - Phelan is not known for his modern methods.}

08 Feb 2020 10:32:16
Not sure what to make of the club reporting the Sun to the independent commission.

On one hand it does seem like the paper knew of the attack before it happened. Some people have suggested it was orchestrated by the club and our new head or PR former Sun journalist Neil Ashton. As some way of taking pressure off of Ed Woodward. Yet if that was the case, why then report the newspaper?

{Ed001's Note - the paper have basically admitted they knew in advance.}

08 Feb 2020 10:40:43
Its a paper alright ed001. But not the one used for reading.

{Ed001's Note - note I didn't say newspaper!}

08 Feb 2020 11:25:37
Ed001, the interesting thing is not whether the paper knew in advance, but why they would.

Why would a group of people, even those stupid enough to attack Woodward's house contact a national paper to tell them in advance?

You have to be a special kind of stupid to tell the press that you are going to commit a crime so they can photograph and evidence your crimes.

Which means if it wasn't one of the bone heads in a mask who told the paper then that only leaves two options.

1. the club did orchestrate the attack to take the pressure off of Woodward. If so then reporting the paper afterwards seems a little like burning your bridges and doesn't quite fit.

2. the paper itself orchestrated the attack to create their own "news" story. In which case we are entering "Tomorrow never dies" territory.

Really its quite an astounding story. None of the possibilities quite seem grounded in reality.

{Ed001's Note - it would not be the first time that this particular gutter rag has been alleged to have 'created' the 'news' it is reporting. The difficulty is proving it.}

08 Feb 2020 15:24:35
Shappy, it seem strange that we hire Ashton to improve public relations, then a week later, Woodward's house gets targeted on a weekday at 8:30pm, he's got young kids at school age, and the whole family was out. And the Sun reporters were there over 45mins before the attack happens. And it so happens that Woodward has been getting a lot of flack over the past couple of months. Now then, we must all be as fickle as hell if we think the above was not an orchestrated plan to take the heat off mr Woodward.
I do not condone violence in any shape, in fact, I think we're too lenient on our offenders, but do me a favour, this smacks of Woodward and Ashton trying it on, but their plan misfired as the Sun reporters were spotted before the attack. Basically, they cocked up.

08 Feb 2020 15:42:16
I heard that Woodward knows Tupac and is in the illuminati.