Manchester United Banter Archive January 08 2013

08 Jan 2013 23:31:47
"Well, it looks like Fergie is going for youth again.
Frank Lampard at the ripe old age of 35.
Giggs, Scholes and Lampard a combined age of 112 years old.
If this goes ahead i really don't know what Fergie is thinking when there are so many midfielders available Strootman being perfect for us.
Do we really wanna pay this guy 150 grand a week for two years rather than spend 20-25 million on a young midfielder on a five year deal that will get paid half of that per week.
This is getting crazy, im just waiting for the news that Ryan Giggs is gonna get another two year deal.
Come on Fergie pull your finger out!"

Simmo

Simmo, how on earth has Fergie managed to get us into our current position, without your advice and input?

You're taking lazy rumours out of the papers and presenting them as fact, just to stir up the other eejits on here who think they could do a better job then Fergie.

StevieK

Signing Lampard on a free makes a lot of sense if Scholes and/or Giggs are retiring in the summer, he would fill the off the pitch void left as well as do a decent job on it. We would still need another midfield player possibly but I wouldn't moan if it happened. Doubt it will though.
Ben

Ben, I have no issue with Lampard.

If Giggs and certainly it seems, Scholes, are to be finishing, I'm a firm believer that you still need some experience in the middle of the park to get you through a season - Carrick can't play every game - and help the younger ones come through.

I just don't think he will come, and Fergie has never said he is, but that doesn't stop guys like Simmo and others using the very thought of it, as an excuse to have a go at Fergie.

These guys believe players in their 30s have nothing to offer anymore, despite the likes of Xavi, Pirlo, Seedorf, Totti and Del Piero, proving that if you look after yourself, there's no reason why you can't still offer something at that age

Nobody, including me, is suggesting that they can play the majority of games (which they haven't anyway, despite some of the hysterical rantings on here), but players like Giggs and Scholes, and indeed Lampard, IMO, can still offer cameos here and there, that will help us through a long season - Gigg's pass to RVP in the last match being a prime example.

StevieK

To get a player of lampards quality and experience on a free would be great business, I understand some on here would see it as a sign we are not signing big money young mids but you need a blend of youth and experience and steady heads like Giggs/Scholes/lamps with winning mentality are more important than you realise.

Snakey

I could list 20 midfielders I'd sign before Lampard.....but those would probably cost money, unlike free transfer Frank (if he is on a free, that is, I might be wrong in which case, apologies!)

I don't want another team's castoff that they no longer want. It's embarassing. And I'll tell you something for nothing - if Ashley Cole comes in the summer, I will never, ever, support that man. Ever. I don't care if he scores the winning goal in the champs league for us. Some things are bigger than supporting the team and my loathing for that odious, disgraceful bloke is one.

RED_SKY

What has Ashley Cole got to do with it? There's a world of difference between him and Lampard as human beings.

StevieK

08 Jan 2013 22:28:40
Just a quick question for you United fans. I'm an Everton fan and I venture over to this site from time to time just because you've been heavily linked with Baines as of late and I wan't to see other fans verdict of him. Plus the banter between United and Liverpool is funny as they have no argument to compete with Man United it's always the same "This is our year" "We're going through a transition", blah blah blah. Anyway, the question I wanted to ask was: Would you swap Rooney for Baines and Fellaini? I value Baines at £18m and Fellaini at £25-30m whereas I value Rooney at £45m.

It's a tough question for me to answer but just wondered what your answers would be.

Cheers

BitterBlue {Ed004's Note - I am sorry but I wouldn't agree to that. Baines is a top player and I think 18 million is a fair if not cheap price for him. I consider him one of the best if not the best in the premiership if not the world as a left back. However, people know what I think of Fellaini}

Hello mate, nah I wouldn't have that to be fair I think baines is the best LB in the world atm but fellani I think is more of well wot shall we say a 'chelsea player' over ego and bad temperament id give you 15m for Baines tomorrow if I was in charge thou. Gd luck for the season bud, hope you beat the spuds to 4th!
Chris the REDman

Baines, Barkley & Pienaar & you have a deal. United would have the best left side in the Prem then. Plus with Cleverley, Powell & Barkley a very promising young English midfield.

Then just buy Lewandowski with the Nani sale.

TJ {Ed004's Note - I'm sorry but I can't see how peinaar and Barkley would add more to our attack than Rooney?}

To be honest Ed, I would have said that Baines was worth around £22-25m but I thought that I was being a bit bias to say that he was that much, but ironing from a fan who supports a top club, who thinks he is worth more that £18m is really appreciated. Anyway here's hoping that you destroy the Red half of Merseyside over the weekend (no doubt you will).

BitterBlue {Ed004's Note - In your opinion could you see Baines ever going to united. I have been told he is a massive Liverpool fan and he seems a humble fella but I've read him say he needs to play in Europe to become England's number 1 left back I think?}

I think your valuations are out, Baines is worth 12m at most, Fellaini between 18-22m, i'd say 45-50m for Rooney is about right.

The only real problem i see other than the fees is i wouldn't want Fellaini as i don't think he is what we need atm. And i don't think Rooney would want to move back to Everton at this stage of his career, he is at his peak years and with the greatest respect to Everton i think he'd want to spend them with a team that is likely to win trophies. I can see Rooney going back to Everton at some point as he does truely love the club but i see it when he's 32+ for a final season or two swan song.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - Why do you rate Baines so low?}

Cheers Chris, here's hoping ey. Hope United can pull even further away from Liverpool by winning the title this year again. Good luck lads.

BitterBlye

Fellaini and Baines would not fill the void left by Rooney. To replace a worldclass player, you need another world class player. It keeps the team's morale high and adds a fear factor. If a world class player is out of reach, you need a proven talented young player who could go on to reach worldclass heights, while also contributing straight away. So for example if we sell Rooney, we would need one of Goetze, Isco, Muniain or Neymar to fill the void.

Also Shappy Baines is the best left back in the world atm. If he was 23 he'd be worth 30 million pounds. but since hes not as young and his rsale vaue dropped he would fetch between 15-20 million depending on wages.

Mick
Mick

Baines is quality but I wouldn't swap Rooney for any left back in the world past or present..

I rate Baines very highly but he is 28yo has very little european experiance and generally speaking defenders don't cost as much as attacking players. I think 12m is about right for him, 15m tops. You also need to consider who else would be in for him, possibly Chelsea but no foriegn teams will bid for him so there will be very little competition for him. And i'm not sure if i'm right here but doesn't he only have a year or two left on his contract?

Shappy

Baines is worth £12m-£15m.

Fellaini perhaps £18m-£20m.

Rooney at 27 perhaps £45m-£50m.

Sydney!

I think we differ greatly in valuations Sydney, I think big clubs such as United think they can offer as little money as possible to smaller clubs than them such as Everton because of the financial situation we're are in. In my opinion that is unfair! If Baines was playing for Barca or Real Madrid etc the value being quoted would probably be £25-30m. It's very hard to find a good left back these days and most posters seem to think he is the best in the world which I can't disagree with.

BitterBlue

08 Jan 2013 21:50:57
Not really utd rumour but chelski swap deal plus cash for ronaldo and torres going other way, roman offer ronaldo big sign on fee.

08 Jan 2013 22:08:01
the same torres who as an atleti fan and ex academy player vowed never to play for real?

Think he means the scouse Torres ;)

DodgyBanter

Why would Real buy Torres? It's as logical as us buying Chamakh or Barcelona buying Carrol.

On another note how funny would it be to see Andy Carrol in a Barcelona shirt, trying to fit in into the pass and move system.

Mick

Mick, thats a brilliant image. Not one I had ever considered, but now i know what to think of to make me smile when the misses is having a go at me

Jaxer

Mick it could work. just get carroll to stand in the six yard box, the barca players are awesome at passing, so they should just smash the ball at his face, deflection and goal.

rddu

09 Jan 2013 09:24:22
Ha ha ha, Mick. Funny image indeed. Made myday
PeeBoaiy

08 Jan 2013 21:22:59
Having been a Liverpool fan for many years now I know how the mighty can fall. This is the first ( and prob the last tbh) time on this page, just to see what you lot were predicting for Sunday. Yes you are far and away the better team, yes you are the bigger club and yes you have won more titles. I doff my hat to you I truly do. Here cmes the "but". Football has always been a game of swings and roundabouts and once saf goes you will fall like a stone (with huge debts incidently). I'm not saying we will fill the void, but you might find yourslf where we are now. Anyhoos. Just a note of caution. P.s we will beat you 2-1 on Sunday.

Hubris Fred

You've all been saying for the last 15 years. You talk about huge debts and yet I'm guessing you know sod all about our financial situation so tell you what, let us worry about that and in the meantime we'll enjoy the success.

TK-Red

Our debts will not affect our future, it only looks brighter. We have halved our debt since we got it and every year it goes down even more...... Sorry to let you down but we are going nowhere mate....

Our debts are large but under control, so although they are a concern they won't be too restricting.

Yes the retirement of Sir Alex will be a huge loss, there is no denying that. He is the most successful manager ever and there is unlikely to ever be someone to be his equal. But the club is very well run, from the board room through the first team right down the the youth development. So although we are bound to see some drop off of success, it is unlikely to fade completely. We will probably go from winning an average of two titles every three years to one title every three. But we'll still be there or there abouts.

Anyway thank you for your concern and i'm looking forward to the game on sunday.

Shappy

So long as SAF's replacement does not go by the name of Dalglish or Benitez I won't be too worried about Liverpool 'filling our void'.

If I were a Liverpool fan I'd be more worried about not making CL for another couple years, losing your best players and becoming one of those teams who sees getting into the Europa League as a nice bonus every once in a while.

I think it will be a tight game on Sunday, they usually are. I'd be happy with 3 points in any shape or form TBH.

I think we will finish the season well over 30 points ahead of you. Again.

Gav

3-0 to us RVP hat trick.

Caolán.

08 Jan 2013 21:51:50
Football = Swings and Roundabouts?
I beg to differ. Ed's, could you set up a swings and roundabouts page?

Whistler. {Ed007's Note - Ed003 deals with all the swinging side of things.}

08 Jan 2013 22:04:03
yes the debt is bad but is that the same debt thats falling year on year. Also you scousers love to come out with that old chestnut about how when fergie goes we're finished. After all there are no world class managers out there to offer the job to. Who knows we might have to do what you did and employ a succession of persons.

Touche to the replys. I'll go back under my stone. I'm a realistic Livepool fan .I know we are a long way off. 38 years a fan i've seen good and bad. Still fancy us to nick it though. Normally at this juncture would wish the opponents good luck, but... juusstt... can't seeeem ....to ..speeeaaaakkk!

Dnt you worry about us mate cuz im a realistic united fan and as one I xan honestly say I dnt give a monkeys wot you lot think about us! We will always be at the top because we are a well run club albeit with debt but in a few years when that and the boss is gone and we still win wot will you cling to then? your club is the way it is because we run it right yours is a sham because you still cling to false hope of titles and beating us. Thus you waste many millions you dnt have on donkeys and all your hangers on!
Chris the REDMAN

Well mannered Liverpool fans are always welcome to venture out from under their stones to have decent banter on this page, its the idoits who just let your side down by spouting daft nonsence that get met with the hostility they crave. I can't wish you good luck for the weekend but i wish you good luck with your relegation battle. I might not like Liverpool but it just wouldn't be the same without you.

Shappy

Shappy, should Liverpool get relegated, I'm sure I speak for a few people when I say we'd get over it ;)

TK-Red

08 Jan 2013 21:17:04
Keep reading a lot of rumours about De Gea being sold.
Why would we want to do that? He's 22 we've seen that he has the ability and some of the saves he makes are unbelievable Casillas was just as inconsistent at his age and he went on to be one of the best keepers in the world if we sell De Gea i will be thoroughly disappointed

08 Jan 2013 20:00:31
Syd,

I meant you were contradicting yourself earlier on the Fryers debate by saying United didnt rate him very highly thats why they only offered him pittance (£1, 500) a week but then they rated him at £6m.

That doesnt make sense but everyone knows Fryers either p1ssed United off or United just played hard ball cause it was Levy.
Fact of the matter is United should have accepted an offer of £3m if they only valued him at such a lowly weekly wage.

Devil Dust.

It's different DD, to us because he was 4th choice he wasn't worth paying more than we offered him. But in terms of valuation, him having an English premium and the fact we would be selling to a rival he was valued higher.

Sydney!

Why should we settle for 3m? Levy always charges us premium money for his players. And uses the excuse of not wanting to strengthen a rival when selling to us, then wen it comes to buying our players wants them for cheap! Mark my words we will have the last laugh!
Chris the REDman

08 Jan 2013 19:22:17
Sneijder will never go to Turkey hes just using it as a ploy for teams like us or tottenham to give him a bigger wage! Everyone will be going on about him in the summer and we will see many different spellings of his name once again! FREDO

Turkey for 18 months is not out of the question.

Sydney!

Like Schniegjdarly? ;)

Rk16

Agree with the above, he is desperate to get out of Inter, think he would go almost anywhere right now.

You have to remember he hasn't played for quite a while (that I'm aware?), he obviously has talent but a lot of clubs won't risk it because he's been out of action, potentially it's a useful stepping stone for him to prove himself.

Rolanski

08 Jan 2013 18:35:14
How many games do you think Pogba, Morrison & Fryers would of played if they were still representing the best club in the world?

TJ

08 Jan 2013 18:48:18
Pogba by now maybe as many as dozen, certainly between 6-12 counting sub appearances. Morrison & Fryers 0 but they'd have been on loan.

Morrison and Fryers would have played few games, if any; but Pogba has played a fair bit for the old lady already, scoring a few goals as well (including one stunning volley from outside the area a few weeks ago).
I hate to go on about it, but he is exactly what our midfield is missing (in my opinion)

Jaxer

Pogba would be a regular this season, but Morrison and Fryers would have played a couple UCL games and League Cup games.

Sydney!

I'd say that Morrison and Fryers would have played up to 10 games, maybe 4-6 starts in LC, FA Cup & UCL dead rubbers. As for Pogba, he'd be on 20+ games a seasons including starts and sub appearences.

Fresh!

08 Jan 2013 18:25:34
Just humour me.
Say some team like Fulham, Newcastle or Everton wanted Welbeck for 13.5m no more no less. They weren't willing to negotiate any players in the deal before anyone say's throw Baines or Cabaye into the deal.

Just a simple Welbeck January sale 13.5m. Would you???

TJ {Ed004's Note - Yes if we could get Lewandowski for about that much}

No because we couldn't replace him in January. Summer maybe, but i'd want 15, and a replacement in first.

Welbeck could easily be sold for 20 million, he is much better than players like Bent, Carrol, Henderson, Sturridge.

-JakeW

Id agree with that JakeW if he played for another team though and not us as teams seem to always get our players on the cheap with few exceptions.

I'd bite their hand off. Jake £20M is a bit ambitious isn't it? Henderson was way over priced as was Carroll. The only thing that might bump up the price is his age but £20M?

AJH

Don't think he is as good as sturridge to be honest.

If I had to value Welbeck right now I'd say £13.5 mil was about tight TBH. Not sure I'd take it, we'd obviously have better options if we replaced him with Lewandowski but you need balance in the squad, players that are willing to sit on the bench as well as players who will want to start each game.

Gav

Sturridge better than Welbeck? You must be joking

This is a tough one, but i'd say no. I'd rather keep a talented young local boy who is only gonna improve and is happy being rotated and has love for the club.
If we sell him there is no garrentee that who we bring in will do a better job, and would they be happy to sit on the bench? Do they have the same love for the club?

Some times that cow in the next field looks better than your cow, but is it really.

Shappy

08 Jan 2013 18:24:27
I know neither are popular on here but if we were to sign a more experianced midfielder who would you prefer?

Lampard for free on a two year 150k a week deal

OR

Sneijder for 10m on a four year 150k a week deal

Shappy {Ed004's Note - Sneijder}

Sneijder!! Lampard is so over rated he has no build up play what so ever, just a rich mans darron gibson
Chris the REDman

Lampard for 2 years then readdress the situation. I'm not sure a 34 year old is the answer but IMO a 34 year old Lampard would do more for us than a 28 year old Sneijder. I don't think Sneijder would suit our style at all now.

TK-Red

Sneijder. A few years younger and provides better techical ability and creativity than Lamps. I'd say the additional £10m transfer fee would be worth it (compared with Lamps for free)

Gav

As much as Lampard has been sensational in the BPL.... Sneijder for me was the best in his position a few years back and is still only 28 and could be played as a deeper player too..

Lampard isn't and never was in my opinion that great a player. Good, at times, yes, but not to the extent the hype around him would suggest he is.

Sneijder has that edge, I'd take him in the squad, out of the two.

Don't think we're crying out for either really though.

Rolanski

Name another midfielder in the prem who has scored consistantly every season anywhere near as many goals as lampard ? not saying i would take him but for people to say he is crap is a bit over the top.
johndenton

I don't think either of them are the answer but if Scholes and Giggs retire this summer, then one of Lampard or Sneijder would be good to add some experiance as long as we signed someone else younger to also play in midfield.

For me i'd go with Lampard, he know's the prem, and isn't motivated by money. Also there are rumours RVP and Sneijder don't see eye to eye, so maybe it best avioded.

Shappy

08 Jan 2013 17:57:52
Evening, and Happy New Year to you all.

To start off, and without being too disrespective to Liverpool, I seriously believe we might give them a serious thumping this weekend. There's a whiff of un-confidence from Liverpool about the weekends fixture, and I think SAF will smell blood!

In respect to all this 'Howard Webb, blah, blah.' I'm sorry, but 99% of the time I've seen Howard Webb send a player off, it's been a good decision, and the fault lies with the petulant and un-controlled behaviour of the players involved.

Again, I'm not being disrespectful as I actually believe 'Rodger the Dodger, who plays with Gerrards todger' (sorry, couldn't resist) is actually doing a half decent job at Anfield, cleaning up and trying to make good of all of Kenny Dalglish's errors - unfortunately there was a lot of them, and is going to take some time to fix. Bring on the weekend!

WF Red Devil

Disrespecive? un-confidence?

English please and then it might be worth a response

Puzzled

You might consider reading your own posts, Puzzled, and then perhaps take your own advice.

TK-Red

Puzzled - Perhaps he is not English or was in a rush or was using a phone which spits out all sorts of nonsense with predictive text or is not a spelling master...... You know It is pretty obvious what he was saying disrespectful and low confidence... I would understand your point if he put a load of unreadable drivel like the Liverpool fans.

08 Jan 2013 17:51:44
Thank god Wesley Sneijder is going Galatasary !! Don't want to here his name on this site again.

On a brighter note we have RVP :)



TEDDY BEAR

08 Jan 2013 18:09:27
he'll be back on the menu in the summer, he won't like turkey and will be after a move by july.

08 Jan 2013 16:37:59
"Excuses"? What "excuses"?
Is it not fact that:

*this Liverpool side is the youngest and most inexperienced in years.
*this is presently your most accomplished side in years?
*you are playing at home?

These are all valid points which are likely to see you placed favourites for this tie.

It's interesting that you should mention Howard Webb. Certainly he's been a deciding factor in many of these fixtures. So fair to say all the odds favour his again being the difference between the two sides Sunday.

Like it or not, the pressure's on you to perform and produce a result, a convincing one at that. Anything remotely resembling the corresponding rendezvous last year would be poor, very, very poor on your part.

Us we are a team in transition, rebuilding. New manager, new players, new playing style etc. So that considered, a neat, mature and dedicated showing from our lads will be enough.

Dillie {Ed004's Note - Everytime we play you, you are a 'side in transition' also the Webb point was brought up by multiple pool fans yesterday}

Id take a scruffy 1-0 we dnt need to smash you to prove anything, so I take it if we do put 4-5. Past u, you won't be complaining about tatics players eyc because we are expected to beat the SMALL teams!
Chris the REDman

Respect to Sydney, he knew it was coming. I thought they were going to wait till after the match to start excuses, how wrong was I.

But we have to take into consideration that Liverpool are in a transitional period, one that started 23 years ago, and surely next year will be theirs?

Mick

08 Jan 2013 17:58:16
its a poor attempt at reverse psychology. Sillie must have found a lost sixth form book somewhere. Of course being at home automatically makes us favourites. Same with us being top and you being mid table. You talk of your young team but surely that should be an advantage compared to our past it old guys as some of your fellow supporters like to say. Also as this is your cup final you should be well up for it. Lastly its nice of you to say its our best team for years when most people on here kick lumps out of it after every game. Hopefully we do put eight past you and this place will be scouse free for the rest of the season. But as its all about points and wins at this stage i'll happily take one nil. Even if its a 93rd minute penalty ;)

Rafa you should take your facts and plan for the game against Stoke instead of posting under a pseudonym on a Manchester United site.


And Rafa, the pressure is always on top teams to perform. It's only mid table teams with nothing to play for that get to relax.

Danny Pughnited

I do find it funny how Liverpool fans spend 51 weeks of the year saying:

"Liverpool are on the way back, this is United's worst team for years, Liverpool will be back on top"

and then the week before the OT fixture its:

"Liverpool are a young side, this is your most accomplished team for years, you are at home so should beat us by 3 and you're crap if you don't".

Every year they never fail to embarrass themselves.

TK-Red

Good replies guys! 23 year 'transition' lol

TK-Red, you make a very valid point. Somehow we're 'finished' as a force and 'in decline' right up until the Liverpool fixture, when we become 'massive favourites' again...

Says a lot about Liverpool and their fans TBH

Dillie - if we lose and City win we will still be 4 points clear on top of the league. I can handle that pressure thanks!

Gav

Norwich got an unlikely win against us, little teams always seem to raise their game against the bigger clubs. So I expect a decent Liverpool performance, but I am sure we will score 3 or 4.

Sydney!

Gav, I think the 21 point gap says it all mate.

Sydney!

A little team who have won 5 european cups sunshine. Dennis 89 {Ed004's Note - read this earlier. Pool fans claim they are one of the biggest teams in the world and in their defence mention 5 European cups. liverpool, the biggest club
In terms of stadium capacity: 6th
In terms of league position: 8th
Premiership titles: 0
In terms of turnover: 4th
2011 league position 8th
2010 league position 6th
2009 league position 7th
Last time even in champions league 2009-10 season

Yep the biggest by a mile. This is only for the premier league...}

Since when was young and inexperienced a valid excuse? Im pretty sure we won the double with a young and inexperienced side in 1996?

You have little quality, not invested wisely and now your financial situation is clearly poor. It saddens me that Liverpool fans have to come on here and make excuses for a game which hasnt even been played.

Covey

Nice1 Ed004! Hmmm, so tempting to cut and paste that onto the L'pool site ;) I'll refrain for now I think

Gav

But we're not 300m in debt {Ed004's Note - And your point is?}

08 Jan 2013 23:11:07
ed your ONLY excuse is the prem. its not like manchester united have got 10 CL's, 25 carling and FA cups :/

typical manc {Ed004's Note - Yeah nothing to do with the fact we are the most known and supported club in the world currently and receiving the largest commercial deals and turning over the largest revenue. How could I be so slow and not think of how the carling cup affects our brand image around the world..}

No you just have 300m worth of dead wood hanging around and a manager who continues to buy flops!!
Chris the REDman

08 Jan 2013 16:01:22
Love the rumours about Strootman, but really don't believe they're true. Surely Fergie won't admit he's wrong after years of not buying midfielders. Would love to see us sign someone in this window. I feel the fresh blood would really help us kick on, and hopefully, put it up to Real Madrid in the Champions League!

El Diablo

Why do people think that signing Strootman is so implausible? SAF has said that there will be no signings, so there will be one. He is not cuptied and ideal for the team so he can slot straight into the side.

Fresh!

I don't think we will sign Strootman, we wouldnt want him to block the devellopment of Giggs now would we ?

Mick

08 Jan 2013 00:00:51
hi there all,
i just want to ask the edds, if there is any truth in selling DDG, sorry if this has been asked and answered before.
I also want to ask whether we have been trying to sign anyone during this winter market, even though SAF has said we will not.
If we have been, which possible player is the most likely to be signed?
Thanks in advance
HV {Ed004's Note - I doubt we are going to sell De Gea and I don't think we will sign anyone unfortunately}

08 Jan 2013 14:37:44
Sydney - only just spotted your reply to my post yesterday. Sorry for trying to introduce a little bit of culture to this desert - pearls before swine comes to mind

Puzzled

08 Jan 2013 14:22:10
So interesting times ahead for us. Liverpool on Sunday, we are all hoping Anderson and Rooney are fit. Would be nice to have Jones and Nani on the bench too. I think there is a chance Rooney will play. If not Anderson, Kagawa, Vidic, Jones, Nani & Rooney all need games so WHU could be up against it midweek.

City have Arsenal away and although Arsenal are pretty lame they are having a decent run of games. With Yaya, Nasri & Aguero all missing they will not get a better chance to take points off of City. I will be an Arsenal supporter this weekend but I will not hold my breath that they will win. We demolished them so City should have a similar effect one would think.

Sydney!

The next few weeks will be very important because many derbies are going to be played.If we manage to still be 7 or more points ahead of 2nd after these matches i think we will be favs by far to win the league.

A while back I said that this would be a big weekend. I think at the end of it we will have a 9 point lead. I can only see a win for us against Pool, and also think that Arsenal are capable of snatching something. City aren't in the best of form, and as you say they are without Aguero, Nasri and Yaya, as well as Kolo and I doubt Balotelli will be involved.

City won't be full strength, but we will be nearing full strength. Happy days!

Fresh!

08 Jan 2013 12:59:46
Fair to say all the pressure's on you this weekend to perform and get a result. Arguably your most accomplished side in years (at home) against the younges, most inexperienced Liverpool team in years, anything less than a fine performance and convincing result (3 - 0, 4 - 0) will be a disgrace on your part.

We know where we are at and have to do nothing other than put in a decent effort, which I have no doubt we will.
El Pistolero and the Studge should have fun.

Dillie {Ed004's Note - Games not even played and you're making excuses. Between this being a young Liverpool side and Webb being ref I think I've heard them all so far}

I said this would happen yesterday.

Liverpool fans are so predictable.

Sydney!

Don't worry Dillie, we will beat you, keep the excuses coming.

-JakeW

Here we go again....

Sydney was 100% right, he said this would happen lol excuses excuses

Big Mac

Haha, I love how scared Liverpool are of us these days

Luke

Syd did say expect the excuses to come early.. he was spot on.

JK92

SYD called this yesterday! Its as if we have heared it all b4.
Chris the REDMAN

Shows how far Liverpool have come that it is a disgrace if utd don't beat by at least 3 goals.

Jordan

It's so they can class a draw or a narrow loss as a victory.

Sydney!

Haha! Sydney! was 100% right! Liverpool fans are really pathetic!

kdevil10

Syd had rightly predicted this yesterday.. even my friends who are pool supporters are embarrassed by this post.. Benoit

It won't be a disgrace, I agree with this post. It should be 3 or 4 nil...lol

Patzi

Dillie

What a lame post.

Where has the passion and belief gone from Liverpool fans? Perhaps it went with all the success in the 1980s...

You've spent £150m+ on new players in recent years yet you're still that poor? Great 'investment' by Dalgish, Comolli et al.

We've scraped many games by 1 goal this season. To say we'll have underperformed to win by anything less than 3 goals goes to show how far you've dropped!

Gav

Liverpool have spent well over £200m in two years.

Sydney!

08 Jan 2013 12:15:05
Rumors knocking about saying Scholes is going to call it a day at the end of the season. I can't see Fergie looking to bring in the likes of either Strootman or Wanyama till July, however Frank Lampard might not be a bad shout? would be a free at the end of the season and could get 2/3 years out of him, Fergie knows how to get the best out of players!

Lampard and Mourinho perhaps,
KevDarko

08 Jan 2013 09:56:52
So Wilshere wants to win trophies...
I give 2 or 3 years and the yellow bar on a web site will read 'Jack Wilshere hands in transfer request'. I think he should save himself a year as everyone knows arsenal are near enough finished. It will just take them finishing outside the top 4 for the cracks to really start to open!

Ste-Utd

I did post on the Arsenal site yesterday pointing out he would inevitably ask to leave at some point.

AJH

08 Jan 2013 08:31:04
May not be relevant but for all the animosity between sneijder and RVP, sneijder voted for RVP as no. 1 for Ballon d'or. Van Gaal, however, didn't have RVP in his top 3.. Benoit

Well that goes to show how misinformed and judgmental people can be on this site. They are suppose to hate each other remember.

Shahram

08 Jan 2013 07:04:35
A lot of people already jumping on Buttner after only playing a handful of games. He's taken a big leap from a lesser league to probably the bestleague, which is a HUGE jump.

He still needs time to adjust, yes he is raw but tell me Evra wasn't when he played his first few games. Not saying Buttner will be our new left back but surely he deserves the chance to be at least given a run in the team and then judged. I think with work on his defensive game and a little on his crossing he could be a gem of a player.

Not ruling out Fabio coming back and taking the LB spot either. He has talent, is continuously progressing (had a great game against chelski) and working towards this. If he can stay fit i think he could be just as good as Rafael.

See i don't think LB is as big a problem as others make out, for me a CM or two is a must. The CB issue i feel will depend upon Rio and/or Vidic. Personally i would keep Vidic and bring in Hummels and let Rio go. Can see both him and Lampard going to WHU.

420United

08 Jan 2013 00:46:41
I nearly had a heart attack when I heard the rumours about DDG today, but thankfully it's just more bullsh!t from the Mirror. Yeah makes sense, sell a goalkeeper who is improving all the time after just 18 months at the club and sign an average Pepe Reina who punches the ball too. Seriously, it's yet again a case of 'cows in the field'.

There seems to be an obsession with changing everything after a few shaky moments. You say he should be sold, then you suggest another 20 year old in Marc Andre ter Stegen! You suggest Courtois! You suggest Butland! All the same age and quite frankly, not as good as De Gea. How many points has De Gea cost us this season? How many points has he earned us this season?

Get a grip! Some things in this team are perfectly fine would you believe. I'd hate to see what would happen to the team if some of the posters on here were manager.

G.A.G.U.S

I agree with everything apart from you saying Courtois is not as good as DDG......

Well said mate

If you are not happy with a player, why would you play him in consecutive matches, de gea has played in all games after reading away

nikz

Proper order my friend.

StevieK

Good post mate well said.

Mike

Well said

AJH