Manchester United Banter Archive July 08 2012

08 Jul 2012 19:23:03
I really don't think we are in for Moutinho. Chelsea/Tottenham want him, the story's probably been put out there to force Chelsea's or Tottenham's hand with a higher offer. Could be wrong......

United Till I Die 1987

08 Jul 2012 19:15:09
I don't know about you guys but reading about the financial position of the club, i doubt any of the stories we are reading is true as the transfer fees are too high. I think it is agents and silly journalist making up stories.

real/barcelona/liverpool/arsenal/manu all are not in the greatest position to make any major buys. The Milan clubs are in no better shape so who is actually going to buy some of these guys at these fees.

After Hulk, Chelsea is most likely done and City has a surplus of people on their roster and will not be making any major buys in my opinion.

I can't see how we can drop 50 million on a combination 2/3 more players. I suspect we will buy players in the 10 to 15 mill max range and hence non of the mentioned guys in the press.

I am also a lot more optimistic than most here and believe with a healthy squad we will be up there with city. Some of our young guys Smalling/Jones/Cleverly have to come through this year.

I have to disagree... Last real chance with FFP coming to really spend on some top quality players... 2 more players in my opinon Witsel/Moutinho and Baines.

fearny

Arsenal and Liverpool are fine real are...

Modric or Hazard are not £10m-£15m players and we want/wanted them so I believe there is money there, but only for a player who will make a real difference to the team. I think the manager is being very careful with his signings personally looking out for our financial well being. One thing for sure is that we are not chasing the cheap options. Baines at £15m is hardly cheap, probably the most expensive option available out there.

Sydney!

Fearny,

FFP rules really won't make a jot of difference to us.

Whistler.

08 Jul 2012 17:31:58
Just wanting to raise a little discussion here, what if we don't sign a play making/techical central midfielder? I think there are two possibilities here, the first is that SAF believes that Kagawa can play there and he will mould him into that player (i hope not). Or secondly, we are still waiting for the right player who may be Cristian Eriksen who may leave Ajax next year? Its possible. Just thought i'd raise this to see what we think. Also, has there been any contact with Gaitan/Benfica as I still think SAF may be interested in converting him to that Scholes type of player as he has such a cultured left foot.

RedDevil19

RD19

I would genuinely hate to see scholes and carrick line up again against any team playing a cm 3 with a massive age difference in the 3's favour. We struggled to keep up with Swansea's energy in the middle and for reasons of new blood and fresh faces alone we should be looking to add 1 but hopefully 2 out and out cmers.

One with steel and one with guile or two with both would suite me. There are more than enough players who are a step up on Ando or who can replace Fletch or can come in to replace carrick etc that I am really hoping we do not finish this summer fletch, pogba down and again no reinforcement in the most crucial area.

Jono

Gaitan has expressed he's been flattered bu United's rumoured interest to him and as far as I can tell he would not be able to resist signing on if we made a move for him. Notwithstanding we would need to agree an affordable fee! However, Benfica's interest in Anderson is to believed surely there's an Anderson plus cash deal in the making there ?

I think Fergie is looking for midfielders who can adapt and play in different role. Gaitan would make a great purchase. Especially to be blunt if swapped with Anderson.

Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Nani's midfield berths are all up for grabs for what I can see and as we know Park is already on his way.

Mouthinho, Gaitan, Rodriguez are all players currently plying their trade in the Portugese League who I would like to see heading to OT as our new midfield in the very near future.

Halesini
Halesini

I too am hoping we don't try to mould Kagawa into that role if we fail to get Modric/Moutinho, it would be a waste of his ability in the attacking 3rd IMO

I don't see us going for Eriksson this year though, I would have thought SAF would give Cleverly a chance first

I really hope we can get either Modric/Moutinho but if we don't I think we'll just go with Carrick alongside either Scholes or Cleverly, with Kagawa sat in front

Gav

If either of them reasons were the case then why are we still trying to sign a midfielder of your description. What you are saying makes no sense my friend.

Sydney!

We shouldn't forget about Cleverley. An injury-free season could see him cement a first team spot.

M.D.

The only suitable answer I can give to that suggestion is....

LOL NO!

MPez

08 Jul 2012 16:47:43
dont no if this is true or not, i was talkin to a man on holiday on thursday, he said he has very close ties to united and told me we r after 3 more players baines,modric,van persie, r the first choice. he told me park,anderson,macida,berbatov, r set to leave, got home from spain lastnite and was surprised park was gone. geting excited as i didnt think park would b sold, i will b in shock if this turns out true. i for 1 hope so, just passing on could b a rumour gazza

Dont get too excited mate all of that wouldn't happen , unfortunately

Gav

I think this may be correct in terms of players we would like to sign but suggest Baines is the only one we will actually get!

We wont get RVP but Berba would go if we did.
Anderson and Macheda I think have played their last games for the reds.

Halesini

RVP will never ever happen! Why 20mil for starters then I would guess if the gunners have put 130k a week on the table and turned it down your looking at 150/200k over 4 years you do the maths, with 1 good season behind him and no sell on value no thanks. We have been down that road dimitar. Let city waste there money or should I say there sugar daddy.

08 Jul 2012 15:07:02
eds, apart from everyone mentioning the same names over and over again, have you got any info on who we are more likely to sign? or who we are near to signing? or anything just in general. much appreciated {Ed002's Note - Quite franskly it is pretty tedious right now with the same rubbish over and over again.}

Baines is the one who is looking most likely right now.

Sydney!

Ed002 , It's going to get a lot more tedious before the end of the summer.

Mike {Ed002's Note - I realise that Mike. I will let the young pups do most of the work as I am pretty busy with proper work in any case.}

Ohhhhewhhh, get you Ed002 ; ) Haha, only kidding, best of luck with your 'work' (sounds dodgy if you ask me) you will be missed if you're away for a while

Gav

08 Jul 2012 14:41:56
if chelsea sign Hulk, which doesnt look set to happen, man utd will get lucas moura because chelsea dont have funds for three big name wages like hazard, moura and hulk also maybe falcoa but he aint leaving {Ed002's Note - You think Chelsea have a funding problem?}

As long as Roman and his bank account is around, Chelsea will always be able to fund such signings on a regular basis.

However would they need Hulk, Moura and Hazard? I am not so sure.

Sydney!

Is Moura not Inter bound ?

Halesini

08 Jul 2012 12:43:57
fellaini and baines would be great signings the only issue is price. But everton don't have great finances and i'm sure we can bargain them down. Twenty to twenty five million and macheda and maybe a future deal for other youth players on loan.

I would prefer Dembele who is far better than Fellaini technically and has just as much toughness to his game. Dembele would also cost a quarter of what Fellaini would. Turns 25 this month will still have age on his side. I wouldn't mind Dembele replacing Fletcher at all.

Sydney!

If we sign Dembele and no other midfield I will be unbelievably dissapointed. Dembele is not what you'd call a 'natural' midfielder, he is a striker converted. I don't relish the prospect of signing him, but if we were to get Moutinho then I could see that we are replacing Fletcher and Scholes.

RedDevil19

We will need to bring in a Scholes replacement, just hope the manager doesn't decide to do it next summer when Scholes retires. We do not want to be left wanting. Selling teams would certainly want more for their players knowing we are desperate. Now is the time to go for Modric/Moutinho.

Sydney!

Syd Dembele is not the answer, he's a converted striker hence the "better technically" but really he isn't the solution, just a cheap option.

Fellaini, has presence, power, versatility, good ability and the nasty streak some people have been calling for.

I think out of the 2 Fellaini would be far the better signing. I'd prefer Modric or Moutinho, but Fellaini isn't a bad 3rd option.

Mort

Dembele is not better than Fellaini. Fellaini has lots more in his locker and more epl seasons under his belt.

Dembele isnt a bad player he just goes missing in many games. He might be better value for money but not as talented as Mauroune.

Cban

To be fair, replacing Scholes really is mission impossible. I think maybe only Xavi or Iniesta would be good enough to do so although I think those 2 really need to play together to get the best from them. I reckon Modric might be a decent replacement, doesn't look like we're gonna get him at the minute though and you really need to want to die for the club like the 2 above do for Barca and Scholes for United. There's no point signing players whose main goal is money, it just creates big problems. Players like Robinho, Etoo and Tevez are not team players and are perfect examples of this. It seems that players like G Neville, Scholes and Giggs cannot be bought these days and I cannot remember any of those players ever holding the club to ransom over contracts. Even our current best and hardest working player (Rooney) is guilty of showing disrespect to the club by virtually holding a gun to their heads because of his greed but the fact is he didnt grow up supporting the club so you cant expect any real loyalty from him either!

Flimbo

Sneijder keeps sprining in to mind...not that I want to bring that up again, but if we do miss out on Moutinho or Modric, then Sneijder is the next best option if he is happy to play deep.

RedDevil19

Do you have the money syd , think before you answer that question . can you afford the players you have mentioned in your post . if real madrid or chelsea are looking at them can you outbid them . no is my answer

I do not see any talent in Fellaini. He is lethargically slow and his control isn't great. His passing is very limited and the only thing he is good at IMO is bullying defenders and that wouldn't help us in any way as we wouldn't play him behind the striker like Everton did against us. I would spend £5m on Moussa as a squad player, not spend £25m+ on Fellaini as he wouldn't suit our style of play. We are not Everton or Stoke.

People need to understand that Fellaini/Denbele wouldn't be instead of Moutinho/Modric. They are different types of player. One will replace Fletcher and one will replace Scholes.

Sydney!

No name, Yes we could outbid RM this summer. We couldn't outbid Chelsea. Seems Chelsea aren't in for Modric I guess Chelsea are irrelevant.

Sydney!

08 Jul 2012 12:56:42
I'm hearing bad rumours how SAF is not looking at anymore midfield options... I realy hope this isnt true, our midfield realy isn't good enougth at all, giggs,scholes,park,Anderson,carrick, arnt going to win silverware, fletcher is brilliant on his day, but sadly doesn't look like he is coming back anytime soon witch is sad,
We need a creative WORLD CLASS player, and a defensive player, moutinho would be my pick over modric, SAF has told us to be patient as there working on 1 or 2 things, just hope it's gunna be a big summer for us

Where have you heard this rumour? Every paper has a different midfielder every day!

GDS

Im pretty sure every news article on Man Utd in the world says Fergie is concentrating on midfield

fearny

There is confirmed interest in Modric, Dembele & Moutinho so I would beg to differ. If Pogba had signed then perhaps we wouldn't have been looking, but I think even then we would have done.

Sydney!

08 Jul 2012 11:25:27
Team (a)
...................De Gea...................
Rafael....Ferdinand..Vidic....Baines
..........Fellani.......Modric.............
.Valencia.....Kagawa......Rodriguez.
.................Rooney.....................
.
.
Team (b)
.................Lindergaard............
.Smalling....Jones..Evans.....Evra.
.Nani....Carrick..Scholes...Young.
Welbeck...Hernandez
.
.
Subs for team (a) & (b)
Giggs, Fletcher, Cleverly, Powell

Kagawa 12-17m, Baines 12-15m, Fellaini 18-25m, Modric 30m+, Rodriguez 30m+ thats the best part of 120m spent in one window, where on earth do you think we'd get the money for that?
Nice dream though.

Shappy

Peeps need to understand that we WILL have to sell Nani if we were to buy Rodriguez. We cannot afford to spend silly sums of money on positions that we already have covered. The manager will have to balance the books and it would be ridiculous having four wingers of the quality Valencia, Nani, Young and Rodriguez have. Three top wingers is more than enough. Lets not forget that Welbeck, Cleverley and Kagawa can play wing too.

Sydney!

08 Jul 2012 05:01:06
dear mr shappy
ngiak is upset he is not on the list
are you prejudiced against different species
this certainly has to be brought up to the higher authorities
gan

Maybe he just does'nt like penguins...... Just a thought :-)
HERBIE

08 Jul 2012 02:19:32
Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to take advantage
of the uncertain situation Athletic Bilbao find
themselves in following the apparently
imminent departure of the La Liga well
respected manager Marcelo Bielsa as the Scot
looks to reignite his interest in Spanish
internationals Iker Muniain and Javi Martinez."

I would love to see either 1 of them at united.

No chance . 32 million needed for martinez and i would say 20 plus for munian . yeah i can see that happening can you