Manchester United Banter Archive March 08 2013

08 Mar 2013 21:27:14
whatever happened to ninis?

He's playing for Parma and has not been progressing as well as expeted.

09 Mar 2013 12:46:00
thanks Mick

08 Mar 2013 18:23:07
I see a lot of posts predicting specific player plus cash deals, but has there ever been such a high profile swap deal?
Also Ed004 or anyone else do you know if James Rodriguez can play on either flank? If so he would be a wise addition.
Nat {Ed004's Note - Yes he has a very good left foot on him and he can cross a ball. Probably better on the right though}

Ed004, would you like to see him signed? If so would someone have to make way for him in the squad?
Nat {Ed004's Note - I reckon Nani is leaving anyways so I reckon he would be replaced and yeah he is a very good player}

08 Mar 2013 19:32:41
How about Ibra and eto

Ibra and eto'o?
How old are you?
TRUMORS

To old to care

Rodriguez has played on the left, right and center this season. He plays well in each position, but shines when on the left to be honest. He would be a perfect player here due to his flexibility on the field.

-JakeW

TRUMORS, I think no name was replying to high profile swaps not utd signing them buddy

corby86

Oh right, then I apologise no name.
TRUMORS

08 Mar 2013 16:52:51
Oh to have been the police officer knocking on the driver's window of Tevez's car, and watching it slowly slide down.

Some peelers have all the fun :)

What a plant pot. Banned and still drives apparently

08 Mar 2013 16:21:12
if ferdinand and vidic left in the summer I would like to see an experianced centre back brought in to play alonside jones/evans or smalling and anything up to three midfielders
paddy the irish man

Why would they leave in the summer?

Cause their old slow and vidic is injury prone
paddy the irish man

Vidic is our best defender and he is coming back to being his old self. He will not be going anywhere. Wilshire had the same injury but not as bad as vidic and it took him 14 months so vidic's recover is remarkable. Rio is till a very good defender.

Shahram

So ferdinand is till a good defender

Paddy the irish man

Have you not watched Rio this season and Vidic since he has been back? Couldn't disagree more with your comment.

How does having one injury make you injury prone?

Rio has been immense this season even with the loss of pace. And Vidic has had to recover from a near career ending injury. Yes he had a reaction, that's normal, not injury prone. He's getting back to his best and has been immense in his last few games. I see them both here next season ok maybe Rio slowly getting phased out but in Smalling and Evans we have good replacements and that's without Jones and Mick Keane. Mort

08 Mar 2013 15:56:00
I would be willing to guess that Rooney might go to Barca in the summer. They will be getting Rid of Villa and Sanchez. Messi has just gone and said he would love to play with Rooney in the team but "has to be careful what he says". Rooney has always said how much he admires Barca. I have a feeling he could move there. Ed what do you think?

Dan {Ed002's Note - I don't see Rooney moving, and certainly to foreign shores strikes me as very unlikely. You have to remember that few English players move to Europe and fewer settle when they do. Someone like Rooney, who is quite frankly dumber than a box of

I agree with the edd I really can't see Rooney moving never mind moving abroad

Rooney would have no chance of learning Spanish, he still hasn't grasped English. I don't think Barca would have any interest either, he is not technically gifted enough.

Beckham has played in four non-English speaking countries (Spain, France, Italy and USA) and he's not going to win Mastermind anytime soon.

Ed002 That is quite funny and all this time we all thought he was finishing his masters at Oxford. Can you imagine Rooney speaking french with his scouser accent LMAOF

Anyway, god bless him he is a united player and I do hope we get the 2009/2010 player back and he takes all of this as a challenge and at least physically gets himself back to full fitness.

Shahram

It's always going to be difficult shifting Rooney if that is what the club want to do, but I do not see United giving him a salary increase and I do not see Rooney and Stretford agreeing to anything less than an increase. Paris is an hour flight away from Manchester, if PSG were interested in buying and United were interested in selling then it must be a feasible option. Beckham isn't the brightest spark, but he is in Paris.

Ed002, do you still think he could move to midfield and earlier than planned? Surely if the club are looking at Lewandowski then Rooney must be moving position at least?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I will stand by what I said. It is hard to see someone who is dumb as a box of rocks moving anywhere that does not have English as a first language. It is hard to see an English side, regardless of what an Arsenal suitor has said, moving within the UK just yet.}

Did someone just say USA is a non-English speaking country? Oh my god.

-JakeW

No name, can you please point out what language do they speak in the USA?

09 Mar 2013 00:40:40
I think the USA non English speaking comment was very clever. I also think Rooney may go to France. I also think becks will increase his stay on loan to help him adjust. Rooney could move his family to the south coast and sign for Paris. A la beckham. I think as bright as a box of frogs is more suited than rocks in this conversation. Ha ha

Joe. a

08 Mar 2013 14:37:50
So Tevez has been arrested for breaking a driving ban - maybe Mancini should have hung on to Balotelli.

Get a Life.

Re ". Get a life" - have I touched a raw nerve Mr Mancini sir?

Love how he takes a quick swipe and leaves no name.

JK92

08 Mar 2013 13:54:26
I know rooney's not going but just for a discussion point, who would take £20 million plus Torres for him?
I think Torres would do better at utd as we play more fast attacking football, and we'd get him his confidence back. Torres and RVP, food for thought.
Comments please, Tookers.

Pure Comedy Gold - thanks mate haven't laughed so much for ages.

You can pick him up outside the Cobram gates tomorrow at 8. 30.

Melbourne CFC

Yes, if anyone can get fernando back to his best it's fergie.

And I think u lot have started drinking too early!
Nomidfield

If Chelsea would give us 20 million to take Torres, I would think about it. Rooney has nothing to do with it.

Stay off the drugs mate

I guess now we are getting into the roam of the ridiculous. The idea is to improve the team if rooney left not sh. t on it.

Shahram

08 Mar 2013 13:34:56
I've got to laugh at how naive some people are on here. So Ferguson says in press conference that Rooney isn't for sale and will be here next year. Well I seem to remember other press conferences. Beckham isn't for sale. Van Nistelerooy isn't for sale. Veron isn't for sale. Ronaldo isn't for sale. I wouldn't sell that mob a virus. Rule number one, the manager lies. He doesn't want to disrupt the dressing room or have the media focusing on this or an unhappy player. Rooney may well indeed stay. But the possibility of him going cannot be discounted purely on what ferguson says in a press conference. All those people acting smug and saying I told you so should maybe wait till september and see what does happen first. This saga could run all summer.

08 Mar 2013 12:23:30
Law 12 in the FIFA rule book:

Under the Fouls and Misconduct section it indicates that a "reckless" tackle - when a player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent - is punishable by a yellow card, not a red as was brandished to Nani. It describes a "careless" tackle as that when a "player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making his challenge or that he acted without precaution".

Not to mention it wasn't even a tackle. Just a player trying to get the ball under control.

Sydney!

No name,

Every Tom, dick and Harry that isn't a butter scouser knows it was the wrong decisions, I don't think we need the definition to show us that. We got screwed out of it but we have 2 trophies to play for and it's important we get behind the lads on Sunday and show how proud we are of a fantastic performance over 2 legs.

Ok, I may be wrong here so I want to clarify that I am not stating fact.
But, I think nani kicks out after he makes contact with the player or at least his leg does extend after contact which makes it look that way.
It can be seen from the camera angle from behind our goal line.
If the referee thought that then although its harsh I can kind off understand.
However, if the referee did send him off because he deemed the high foot dangerous then he is a joke.

On keane, he basically made himself look a fool on Tuesday, nobodies opinion can be wrong as it is just that however to keep forcing it on others making out that they are wrong and he is right just made him look like an person.

Sorry to bring this up again, I did try to post on Tuesday but it got missed, understandably with the amount of posts that night and I am also just replying to the last post.

Karllap

Will you give over about it, the game is over were out deal with it, we just need to focus on the league and fa cup now

08 Mar 2013 12:02:51
All this talk of Rooney going is just that talk. he will see out his playing days and go into a coaching role like a lot of SAF fav players passing on his knowledge to the likes of James Wilson and others he will prove he is not finished by a long way. This I am shore he is a man of great conviction just a little wayward at time such as many younge men which he still is you know 27 ain't old chaps and all the talk of being past his best is also talk we live in a age of science sport and amazing breakthroughs in technology if they can't get him super fit and firing at his all time best there is something wrong with there training which by the way there is not. Katef

08 Mar 2013 11:12:06
fergie: rooney will be here next year, you have my word on it.

jamal

08 Mar 2013 11:46:38
He also wouldn't sell Madrid a virus. He has no choice but to deny the speculation or risk upsetting the dressing room.

Ugh another jamal. you just made me register!

08 Mar 2013 08:24:54
If Rooney is to be sold (which in my opinion is more than likely) why do people seem to think we will get anywhere near 40m for him?

The reasons for him being sold seem to be fitness issues, attitude/ego, maybe past his peek and no longer deemed first choice for man utd.

If we all know this then do you not think the owners of interested clubs do? Why would they pay 40m for Rooney.

I think we could get 30m tops and that's pushing it.

All opinion of course.


Parks

PSG will buy him and pay the price, the shirt sales and the merchandising alone will cover the transfer fee in time.
Nomidfield

I disagree Parks, I think we will be lucky to get £25 million for him. He is at his supposed peak now and can't keep himself in shape and it will only get worse from here. If we let him run down his contract it will cost £26 million in wages over 2 seasons and we will get no money for him, I think Fergie will sell for £25m max which will free up a huge amount of wage funds and put £25m into the kitty. No way he will be allowed to leave for nothing in 2 years.

Nonsense psg, chelsea, and anzi will pay top dolla for him, fergie will try to spark a bidding war which could result in a fee of around 30-35m I think
Chris the REDman

Chris the REDman

For a bidding war to take place then Rooney would have to be open to moves to the clubs involved. I'm not sure he's even consider moving to Russia, he could be stubborn and decide he only wants to stay in this country. Players still have a lot of the power these days.

HBadger

I must also add I dnt think he will go abroad if he does leave. but we have two clubs owned by very wealthy men in city and chelsea in our league and we all no Roman loves a contest.

I think if he went 45 million would be the number. He is still a very good player and huge signing for any team. this 20 or 25 mill stuff is pure crap andi for one would be pissed if we actually did that.

Shahram

08 Mar 2013 02:36:09
Deeps

Look at the club mate. We have erected statues outside our stadium of past players Best, Law and Charlton and outwith Sir bob the other two are finished with the club (rip), so why did we do that do you think?

Oh yeah to respect and honour their names, their legacy what they did for us!

The exact same as all utd fans were doing for Ronny on Tuesday.

I could guarantee you Bond and all of the Celtic fans would be screaming larssons name if he arrived managing the opposition, why?

Out of respect!

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Jono

Just a question? Do you really think that Ronnie can be compared to Best, Law or Sir Bobby? Like I said I do not have a problem if Ronnie was cheered when the announcer took his name. But "Viva Ronaldo"?, sorry mate, not for the entire game. And honestly its each one to its own. Brilliant player but far from being a legend for me. "My dream was to play for Real Madrid", but half of us can't wait to wet our pants. If we cheered and supported our "existing" players, trust me there would be a far better knock on effect. But alas, cows and fields. Just to clarify, my post was at people who would rather sing his name or "desperately" want him back. Nothing against you, Ports, GDS. If Paddy, Nani, Wayne and Clevs had half as much support. People would say I go OTT with my support for Wayne Rooney, but the FACT remains he is still a Manchester United player. I have never called names or foul mouthed any United player.

To sign off the post, I am "indifferent" to people chanting his name, but personally would not do so. And Cristiano Ronaldo is one of the best players to ever have played for us, but isent and will never be a legend for me. Hence can't be compared to Best, Cantona, Sir Bobby.

Deeps.

Deeps,

I agree viva Ronaldo should not have been sung during the game and it wasn't, he was booed during the game like beckham was. But that song is sang during almost every other game, as is ooh aah cantona, yip jaap stam and the wes brown song, out of respect for the players (and because they are bloody good songs).

Did you feel we treated in the wrong way and should have ignored his name when it was announced?

GDS

Mate, I was infact glad that Ronnie got that kind of reception when his name was announced. Even though he has left, he has always ensured that the terms remain good. Even though that's gotto do with Sir Alex and not us as a club. I liked his gesture when he scored the goal as well. But my point, and I would want to know what you think about it as well. The amount of stick that "our" players put up with and I am not talking about constructive criticism is apalling. Look at the name calling that happens with Nani, EVra, Giggs, Scholes, Wayne Rooney and Michale Carrick not so long ago. Fickle? Every other player in Europe becomes the toast of the week and anyone who has an off day from our team is sent to the wolves. Is that what we should do as supporters? Look at the amount of posts wanting Ronnie to come back desperately. And in the process sell X why Z and 1 2 3. We talk about player loyalty, how loyal are we as fans? We don't even spare players who are accepted as legends by one and all. (Giggs/Scholes). I feel that is wrong. I love RVP, but the kind of things people say about Rooney putting RVP into perspective is a joke. We have won trophies without Robin and he is a very good player, but not a messiah. And he has been with us for? 6 months? Like I say flavour of the month.

I will say it again, something that I really admire in you is your positivity and the fact that never have I seen you slate a player. Ronnie should have got a warm reception, he did, end of. But he isent a legend and hence can't be compared to the Cantona's of the world. And when people say "Come back home" and are gullible enough to think he wants to come back home and will take a pay cut etc, all I can do is smile. He loves SAF, not United. Yes the respect is there.

Deeps.

And rooney is definitely not going to be a legend as he treated this club like dirt over contract. Then he turns up to pure season overweight and for the rest of the season so far is playing to 60% of his capability.
And you still want us to support him and get behind him?
Don't u think that he should get his act together, start acting like a professional footballer before we start getting behind him? Ball is in his court. He has the skill and talent.
Nomidfield

Deeps

I have no problem people not wanting to support an ex player or not sing his songs but many, me being one of them prefer to show my respect for previous exploits by supporting them until we play them.

Rinaldo was roundly booed and jeered when lining up his free kicks the same as any other opponent during the game and I didn't hear viva once during the game.

Ronaldo became the best player in the world with us and helped us to one of our CL triumphs so IMO is a legend. Each to their own on that account but I cannot fathom how people can say about throwing support behind Rooney in comparison!

He is only here as we buckled and threw cash at him, he was borderline mg tevez treatment if he had gone where as Ronald's left and has never questioned us, SAF, the direction and ambition of the club, turned up in shocking phyisical condition.

Ronaldo followed his dream, good on him and I will respect him for what he has done for us an how he respected and still does respect us but for people to use Rooney as an example of us to throw our respect behind just because he still plays for us IMO is plainly bein blinkered.

I know you didn't use Rooney as an example but his name has been mentioned and to be fair nobody is in the trinity, giggs and scholes bracket but their are still other legends at the club and Ronaldo IMO is one.

NM

I don't really want to get started on "contract" issues. I think the past decade is littered with our players holding out for cash, improved contract. Even someone like Berbatov was guilty of that. Not saying Wayne was right, infact it was wrong. But I have decided to forgive him for that and judge him by what he does on the pitch. He scored 34 goals the season after he got his improved contract. I will get behind EVERY MANCHESTER UNITED PLAYER till he plays for us. Yes I will. Every player goes through a lean patch, if we started calling for their heads, surely we would be a team of "11 headless chickens". RVP isent going all guns blazing lately, what should we do about that? What I will do is SUPPORT him. And that's the case with Wayne, someone who has scored 200 goals for us, can't just be Sh!t. Get behind them, leave the rest to the gaffer is all I can say.

Deeps.

Deeps,

Think nomidield just summed up everything you hate about united fans and exactly what you were saying. Rooney has scored 140 goals for united nomidield and from what I have seen nobody has questioned his workrate and effort when he is on the pitch, in fact it his one of his greatest assets.

I agree mate the criticism is appalling and it is unlikely you would see any posts from me on here slating any of our current players. I am always a supporter of the players and would not just sell a player because he loses a bit of form. Most people would have driven Carrick to Sunderland in the summer and he has been immense. Fans are fickle and you find a lot of united fans are fans because we are successful (not doing a kloot here, people can support who they want) and if we lose a game some people don't just understand that this is football.

Just look at the posts on here during a match to see how fickle some fans are, especially from the games against Southampton and west ham where people were made to look like absolute fools. Unfortunately as usual most of them didn't leave a name.

In my eyes cantona is a bigger legend than Ronaldo, and is my favourite ever player, imagine the reception he would get if he came back, but he never won us the European cup or became the best player in the world at the club.

I am not stupid enough to think Ronaldo will definitrly come back to the club at the soonest chance, he never would have left if that was the case, but I do believe there is a slight chance he will return one day.

Nomidfield

So do you think getting behind Rooney and supporting him OR slating him and booing him - will have the most positive effect on his performance levels? See Chelsea as an example of how to damage your own team by lacking support.

Whilst Rooney plays for Manchester United of course we should support him, no? I don't see it as a choice, he plays for United full stop.

Deeps

Very good post regards supporting OUR players, I fully agree.

On the point of singing old players names I think it's a good thing personally, every time I've been to OT I heard the Cantona, Brown, O'Shea, Keane, Ronaldo songs and think it adds to the atmosphere. I thought the crowd acted in the right way towards Ronny both during and before/after the game. I also thought Ronaldo showed a mutual respect to our club which kind of justified the reception he got.

HBadger

Jono

Not making a comparison mate. But just stating the fact that, some on here forget that Wayne Rooney is a Manchester United player. Fair enough, we can cheer/support brilliant players who have moved on. But is it too much to ask to support the current bunch?, let alone respect them. And I think Bond pointed out the Ronaldo fanfare and Rooney bashing which has probably happening at the same time. I see your posts and find some constructive criticism, can't say the same about a lot of others though. And yes one more point, Ronnie has been a superb pro and supremely respectful. but like I said its more SAF and less Manchester United. Dream or reality, well he did jump ship, call it what you want to. But "The Spud faced Nipper" stayed put albeit with a better financial package and an apology. heartfelt or not is for you to decide.

Deeps.

Deeps what are you talking about Berbatov holding out for more cash? The guy signed a 4 year contract when he signed and then the year extension was a decision that was out of his hands. Where, in his time with the club, did he hold out for more money?

TK-Red

GDS lol, I spooted that one too - Deeps explains what is wrong with modern fans only for NM to prove him right with his reply! :)

HBadger

TK

He was not holding out for more cash on a contract with us. But when we were trying to ship him out, he was doing it with the potential suitors hence delaying his move and reducing his value. I am not saying its an incorrect thing to do. If you need figures and teams involved, Syd can let you know more.

Syd

Need your help mate with the figures and teams.

Deeps.

I think saf has seen some attitude in Rooney and the weight problems that Wong go away. Of course we all want to get behind our players, but what I'm saying is the players themselves have a responsibility to ensure they are in peak fitness and condition, Rooney does not fall into that category.
As I said in my post, he has the skill and talent, which makes it even more frustrating. Whatever happens, I'm sure saf will make them right decision.
Nomidfield

Deeps I agree with a lot of that
GDS your last post is right on the money for me, it drives me round the bend, I have no problem with people cheering ex players, but to do so while slagging of our own drives me round the bend.
I noticed Rooneys name got dragged in to it again it seems the same people don't miss an opportunity to have a go.
But look at the stick evra our captain got on this site last year or giggs and scholes at the start of the season true United legends.

Also for the people talking about Best, well he was a great player but have a look how he treated the club

07 Mar 2013 23:10:27
After his surprise inclusion on tuesday I fully believe Nani will be given a new contract. Anyone else agree? Eds? Syd?

He has been given a new contract so you are right, he just won't sign it as he thinks he is worth more than what we think he is worth.

Nani has been available for sale for the past two summers. I think there is a derisory offer on the table, but the club know he will not accept it. Even if he did they would be getting him cheap as chips so it's a win win sitch for United in that respect.

Sydney!

07 Mar 2013 23:05:29
I still haven't decided if a club outside the premier league offered me say £28-35mil for Rooney, would I sell or not? I read a post earlier saying that Rooney performance get Norwich was over-hyped and that he played bad. But Ronaldo didn't become a world beater by playing amazing every game, the main difference for me between world class players and very good players, is that even if a world class player is having a bad game or is quiet all he needs is 1 chance to do something special. Rooney didn't play great but his two assists and goal against Norwich were world class. And let's say kagawa didn't score his lucky first goal without Rooney's magic we would have drawn. Food for thought. Rooney can play for another 6 years atleast drop deeper and play smarter like giggs hopefully he takes care of his body. If he does get sold. Reus, Gotze or Ozil would be fine.

Sulei

Oh and when he came on against Madrid, he should have been bursting his gut to prove the manager wrong, instead, he gets an easy chance on the six yard line to blast the ball into the net and he hits it in row z.
If Hernandez was on the field at that time he would have taken that chance and some of the other chances that fell our way in the last 20 mins.
Nomidfield

No midfield - so what about RVP's miss in the first leg? That was a better chance, so should we sell him too? Would Hernandez have scored that one?

If everything was that black and white it wouldn't take a genius like SAF to manage a top team, you or I could do it!

HBadger