Manchester United Banter Archive November 08 2012

08 Nov 2012 20:34:16
"Have no idea how Fergie thought the old men of Giggs, Carrick, Scholes and Evra were going to compete with the youth and athletisism of Tottenham. I very rarely complain about fergie but what the hell was he thinking! Giggs and Evra are done! There is no room for them in a high profile match like today. Scholes was great but he needs pace and strength around him when played".




Red Joe




Ha ha The man is a total legend but after the Spurs game you knew better....and "old men" Carrick and Scholes were not top class then.....ha ha ha.



Devil Dust.
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Devil Dust,

I get why you quoted that, but i said that just after a match where SAF made a blatent mistake in fielding three slow players in midfield and got over-run by quick youngsters. I wasn't making a point about how good the players were, you can be a quality player without being quick. BUT it is a mistake to play a really slow team (collectively) against a really quick team like Tottenham. THAT was was the point i was making.

Also i said Scholes played well (and in that game i didn't say it in this quote but he was our best player and WAS top class)

But I didn't call SAF blind or senile, I stated that he made a big mistake in one game. Making one mistake does not change my opinion of the manager and does not go against me stating my opinion now.

So don't make me sound like a hypocrite as it's out of context.

Red Joe

Giggs and Evra are done - I wasn't making a point on how good the players were .................... How is that not a contradiction or in your words, hypocritical.

Yougottalaugh

Red Joe, u are absolutely right. Saf got it wrong that day. I think it is important to be able to give your views without being reminded that saf is a legend. Of course he is and we'll never see a manager like him, but we all make mistakes and saf made a big mistake against spurs, though when Rooney came on in second half, we were very good.
NoMidfield

Yougottalaugh

It's not a contradiction as the original point, not the quoted one above was about Carrick, Anderson, Scholes and Cleverley not about Evra and Giggs...

Red Joe

08 Nov 2012 19:53:01
When young was coming back from injury saf said that young is a very good player and probably our 2nd best winger after valencia. Now if saf rates young higher than nani, that should tell you something.

Mick

Would you mind finding this quote for me, because I'm having trouble doing so.

Percy

Percy please just accept Nani has been abismal this year and if he doesn't wise up he has to go.

Caolán.

Percy, Ralph Milne was a better winger than Nani on current form....

AJH

It was in a prematch conference i was watching online. Unfortunatly i cant find an article about it. Beleive me i was shoked when i heard it. I do think Nani is more talented than young but on current form young is better.

Mick

Nani is a great player but out of form for now and he is very low in confidence..

I believe he is way better than Valencia.. Everyone will disagree but time will tell

AJH - LOL - qulaity comment, most people on here are probably too young to know who taht is.......LOL cracker

I have said he's been bad this season. No worse than Valencia though. Our wingers have been bad in general this season, but nobody is suggesting we sell Valencia.

Percy

08 Nov 2012 18:27:11
With the players we have this is what I think we should go with
4-1-3-2 formation
DDG/Lindegard

Rafa Smalling/Vidic Rio/Evans Evra/Buttner

Jones/Tunni

Valencia/Powell/Cleves Kagawa Anderson/Young

Rooney/Chica RVP/Welbeck/Nani


Jones, Smalling can play as RB also.
CDM to actually sit there and protect the back 4, this way full backs can contribute more to attack.
Kagawa at his best position can chip in with goals too.
Valencia, Cleves, Young, Anderson, Rooney, RVP can all play through middle and go wide as well if need arises.
Welbeck should be used as a striker and not a winger. He's been playing out of position and all these bad games aren't doing good to his confidence.
Carrick, Fletcher to come in at later stages when they are fresh as compared to the opposition.
Nani can be given a chance as striker against lower teams. He isn't doing any good on the wings so its better to utilize his ball control and finishing ability up front.

SHAITAN

08 Nov 2012 17:09:27
A great chance for our young players to get experience in Europe

XMas tree formation
-------------DeGea
Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Buttner
-----Powell, Jones, Cleverly
-------Kagawa, Anderson
------------Chicharito

Rest Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick, Valencia, Rooney & RvP.

TJ

I'm dying to see Powell get some time. It would be invaluable!

Andy S

Good formation Tj but I'll also rest Raphael and put our under 21 Rb there. We can't risk injuryto Raphael.
NoMidfield

Hmm this tree formation i think is the answer to our problems because even if we dont have a class cm it is really effective even with the midfielders we have.I think SAF will play this formation againts big teams in Europe if he thinks that we will struggle againts them.

Rest vidic?!?

08 Nov 2012 16:53:55
Why is everybody sayin if Nanis good then whys he getting sold but its cause he goes for more LOL

Haha right

08 Nov 2012 16:04:17
Where do you think Phil Jones will play mostly next season.
Cover as CB or alternate with Rafael when he needs a rest?

Also do u think Fabio has a future at United next season?
Rumour has it he was willing to go to Benfica with Macheda for Gaitan. Maybe Fabio & Macheda might fancy a spell at Porto if we shell out for James Rodriguez in the summer.

TJ

08 Nov 2012 14:08:46
Anyone else worried by fergies comments about our midfield? Seems he is completely happy with our midfield options and will not be after a midfielder in the jan transfer window. 

Shocking news as this is the only area of the pitch that we lack a world class player but blind old fergie thinks we have plenty of options there. 

If we could only strenghten one area of our team and only buy one player who would you chose? 

Ill start by saying that after last night wanyama is the player for me.
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No Name

People like you act like spoilt kids sometimes, why on earth would SAF come out and say our midfield is poor? That would be really good for morale now wouldn't it.

Secondly show some respect for the man, he is United, we're top of the League, we're through our group already. And for someone who is 'blind' he seems to be far less short-sighted then a lot of you.

I agree we could do with a strong DM but apart from that Anderson is top class, Cleverley is top class, Scholes is still top class and still has the same stats as Modric (the player most people were calling for last year), Carrick is not very modern but is top quality as well. We have Jones who some people say can't play DM but people forget he's only 20 and has plenty of pottential in that role. We also have in my opinion the best young and exciting midfielder in the premier league Powell, he is 18 and within a year he will be in the 1st team.

Once Scholes and Giggs retire we will have a lot of spare wages ready which we will use on getting a top top quality midfielder, you have to remember even SAF has a wage budget! You can call it not getting rid of ageing players but you forget the effect the older players have off the pitch, EVERYONE looks up to them, learns off them and are inspired by what they have achieved and having them around the club is NOT the same as having them in training everyday.

Next year we will have a top quality midfielder instead of Scholes and Giggs but till then we'll just have to cope with having Carrick, Fletcher and Jones playing DM or holding mid whatever you want to call it.

So although it could be better, it's not as bad as some of you say. And ffs give SAF some credit, he is not blind or senile, he is a total legand.

Red Joe

Red Joe is right - even if SAF thought our midfield was utter garbage he would never say it as its like admitting defeat. It will have to be strengthened as we are losing at least two players in Scholes & Giggs as well as probably Nani & Petrucci.

Fresh!

I agree with some of that Joe, Fergie is a legend and of course he knows the midfield needs investment. But I don't think you can brand Anderson, Cleverley and Scholes as 'top class'. Scholes in his day yes, but he's too old now and we all know that. Cleverley is a boring footballer and Anderson is unfit. I call people like Goetze, Xavi, and Alonso top class, not our lot

"Have no idea how Fergie thought the old men of Giggs, Carrick, Scholes and Evra were going to compete with the youth and athletisism of Tottenham. I very rarely complain about fergie but what the hell was he thinking! Giggs and Evra are done! There is no room for them in a high profile match like today. Scholes was great but he needs pace and strength around him when played".


Red Joe


Ha ha The man is a total legend but after the Spurs game you knew better....and "old men" Carrick and Scholes were not top class then.....ha ha ha.

Devil Dust.

Hello Red Joe, can I ask what 'top quality midfielder' will we have next year?

Thanks,

J Bones.

I'm sure saf will address the issue of midfield in the Summer. Maybe he is in two minds on retirement date, so not much point of buying anyone if incoming manager wants to play a different system.
Our current boys are doing well. So let's hope we can win PL and see what happens next year.
NoMidfield

08 Nov 2012 13:54:27
i hate to say this but playing giggs and welbeck slows down our team.
i hope giggs retires at the end of this season

08 Nov 2012 13:10:50
Ye boys avin fun marvelling at the sensation that is Raheem Sterling?
Well, the bad news for ye lot is that there's Ibe, he's rated even higher... and doesn't turn 17 until December.
Frightening, I know, eh? He he!

Prospero

Not really,granted hes a good young player but im hardly marvelling at him,i hope he goes on to be a great player but lets get excited when hes performed consistantly at a high level over a couple of seasons,not a few games,as for the other lad,never heard of him plus he hasnt even made the step up to 1st team football yet so dont get too excited.

phil

Anyway,why is it bad news for us?are you trying to tell us liverpool will be back challenging us for the title?dream on if thats what you think.

phil

I marvel at the way Sterling runs. He looks like a camp marionette puppet.

RED_SKY

He'll be 18 in December.

Sterling looks a good prospect. If I was a shell suited Liverpool fan with curly hair & a tash I'd be worried about losing him to a bigger club that might come circling. Spurs, Newcastle, Fulham, Everton & Swansea might come in for him in the summer. I doubt the top 4 would be interested. He's a young player with promise & may not want to be involved in a relagation battle season in & season out.

TJ

Sterling is pretty good for his age, but he isn't a player that any team would fear. He is pretty easy to keep quiet and hasn't exactly set the world alight. One for the future perhaps, but not anything to worry about now.

Sydney!

08 Nov 2012 11:58:45
will wilishere and clev's be able to play in the same england team
jred

08 Nov 2012 11:21:33
Ok kloot! For once and just for once id love to see u post something positive about united players! Its getting so boring now loading up thr banter site after games and low and behold kloot aint happy and its all rooney/anderson/cleverly/nani etc fault, every1 who sits next to u at game game must have a blast when the team is announced over the mic, can imagine u just call everyone crap and money grabbing so and so's not gd enough to wear the shirt blah blah blah! While remembering the gd old days of when robson bossed the midfield, and whiteside battered every1 near him and mcgrath held the defence together and if im right didnt we win a fa cup too? And nearly won the league once too! And now it appears u watch the games to just count hos many times rooney guves away the ball, or how many sideways passes clevs make for sone reason to come on here and try to j justify your narrow minded veiwa on players maybe its u that needs convincing about your own points because lets be honest rooney could score a hatrick in the next 3 games in a row and u wud prob cone on here and say "yeh so he scored at hatrick he still gave the ball away 12 times, worldclass players dnt do that" messi wasnt great for barca last nite so i take it, it always was just hype as was inesta!
Chris the REDman

07 Nov 2012 11:29:41
Ed002, good morning, where do you see Xabi Alonso's future? Remaining in Spain? Joining Chelsea, City or United? Or do you see him looking for a final large pay day in Russia, USA, Middle East or China? I know it's guesswork, but would appreciate your opinion on the matter, thank you.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I really don't know Syd but I know someone who may have a view. If I had to guess, perhaps when it is time to discuss a new contract a one or two year extension will be offered.}

Perhaps he will rejoin Mourinho at Utd? ;-)

Jono

08 Nov 2012 08:15:57
Anyone else worried by fergies comments about our midfield? Seems he is completely happy with our midfield options and will not be after a midfielder in the jan transfer window.

Shocking news as this is the only area of the pitch that we lack a world class player but blind old fergie thinks we have plenty of options there.

If we could only strenghten one area of our team and only buy one player who would you chose?

Ill start by saying that after last night wanyama is the player for me.

Said it before, its SAF's fault our midfield is in such an average way. He's let it stagnate - refusing to replace aging players, refusing to bring through youngsters consistently and refusing to buy. What does that leave us with? The same, predictable crop of midfielders who have no motivation to buck up their ideas.

Its gonna be funny when the new manager comes in - expect a total overhaul in CM. Whoever he is, he won't share SAF's views that we're in good shape there.

RED_SKY

Maybe his alzheimars has set in so he has already forgotton how poor the midfield can be ;)

Mad Hatter

CM and there is a player who plays for Newcastle....I cant put my finger on his name...... Yohan something?

Jono

I didn't watch the Celtic game, but can anyone justify all this demand for one half of the central midfield pairing that amassed 16% of the possession over 90 minutes?

Nizza

08 Nov 2012 14:43:42
Ignore what SAF says, if he was 100 percent happy with our midfield then he wouldn't have made bids for Witsel, Herrara and Dembele. Wanyama has been heavily scouted too. We were also keeping tabs on Modric and Moutinho so we are clearly looking to strengthen the midfield so calm down, you will give yourself a wrinkle.

Nizza,Ii watched it and they laid siege on Celtic half of the pitch and their interplay is incredible and beautiful to watch. It was kind of like the Chelsea game last year as they did everything but score.

Celtic seemed to allow them to have an open pass to the wings that were almost sitting on the edge and not on the far corner of the box and packed the middle.Their goalie was outstanding.

Just one of those nights in football,

Shahram

07 Nov 2012 23:56:08
We should be charged with Robbery. That was just rubbish and I have to say that the biggest problem was the tactics. Nani was rubbish Anderson was played to deep. Rooney once again showed why he is not a midfielder giving the ball away for the penalty. He gave the ball away 27 times in the game. Johnny Evans stood square on to an oncoming attacker what did he think would happen. Still we got away with it and some of you will come on here and say I am just being negative well here is a positive RVP. What a star a real world class player. Please please dont come on and defend Rooney to me he was pants and his only saving grace was the work he put in. Did any one see a single United player go past a man. It was just pass and pass then long ball. No invention at all. Happy birthday Rio and DDG you got a present tonight. I AM KLOOT

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Hah KLOOT. Strange innit! You don't like players who are better than the rest in the team(Read Rooney) citing *plays for the money* sh!t. And then you also slag players like Cleverly and Anderson who play for the shirt and not the money citing they are not good enough.

And you adore a world class Van Persie. I am sure you are not deluded enough to think that he took a pay cut to play for us did he? What did he say he wanted when he left Arsenal? What did Rooney say during his now infamous theatrics? Why would you take Robin's word as gospel and Wayne's as "Scouse Tevez". By the way, i love Van Persie and have absolutely nothing bad to say about him. Had to use this as a comparative reference. Infact its hard not to have a man crush on him :).

You want us to buy World class players. I am sure they would come from other big clubs for a fair amount of dosh. What is the yardstick to measure if he plays for the money or shirt?

I love reading your posts, i really do. But you just hate Wayne and that clouds your thoughts. You know it as well as i do, what a difference he has made ever since he has come back.

Deeps...

Of course RVP didn't take a pay cut but he earns nowhere near what Rooney does and he didn't demand such a high salary when signing for the club.

TK-Red

I remember earlier in the year quite a good few people saying it could be a blessing in disguise when rooney got injured and we could try different avenues with out him... hang your heads, if theres one player who has stood up to the plate its rooney, kloot with out him we wouldnt be top of the league and through to the KO stages.. i know its not all rosey but dont knock the player who is playing well

Deeps, I totally agree with you mate. However whether Rooney bleeds on the pitch works his ass off or drags the team forward there are people on here who will always live in the past as far as he is concerned. It's a shame there are other teams supporters that we poke fun at for living in the past but our supporters do it too. Rooney is a UNITED player he gives his all for the team and like it or not he is vital to the team disagree if you want but even those that hate him have to admit without him we would barely be where we are now. We could well be in this downward spiral that Liverpool and Arsenal are facing but maybe you're right and he isn't that important. Guess we will have to see.... wait we did while he was injured there are some fickle people on here that would sell him or look for flaws just to have a go. He is the heartbeat of our team and to replace him would cost a fortune and would be a hell of a lot more difficult then most think. Remember the saying you don't know what you got till it's gone. I for one hope that Rooney finishes his career with us and breaks all the records that he can just so that all the haters have to live with the "scouse tevez" forever in United's history books.

Darren-Bermuda

TK
Are you sure about that ?

deeps
i totally agree , united always look a better team with rooney in it
jred

TK

Rooney is on 160,000 basic.(thank you Syd for the info). Other bonuses depend on how the team perform and likewise. He is certainly not goin to earn the moolah sitting on his arse. And a top player deserves top pay. Isent this what we all moan about as to why we couldnt offer "X" a better deal. RVP again has a Basic + Loyalty Bonus etc etc deal. He talked about Arsenal's direction, so did Wayne(United's). The only difference is Rooney stayed put.(just to please the Rooney critics, he stayed when he got his "fair share"). I really think it draws parallel comparisons to the cow in the other field analogy.

I repeat, i dont have a problem with RVP and am just using it to understand, why would we keep digging up the past in case of Rooney.

Deeps...

Deeps

The difference is mate RVP signed for his wage to join us from another big club whereas Rooney held us to ransom while threatening to join other big clubs just for us to pay him even more to stay.

If the players were reversed and it was RVP that did the Rooneygate then I am sure KLOOT will have the same views on RVP as he does on Rooney. Although Scouse Tevez wouldn't fit ;-).

The point about the players doesn't fit as the players you are talking about Ando, Cleverly are hardly world class examples so they can be described by many as not good enoughin their opinions. We are all calling out for a WC CMer (2 in my case) but thats not to say the guys like Clevs, Welbeck etc who wont be WC but do help the team dont deserve praise or pay reflecting their positions in the team I think Kloot sees some on here hailing Clevs as the next Scholes or a hero in the making but he thinks he wont be, same with Ando and this false dawn of 2 decent performances. These guys are playing for money aswell you know. You cannot say anyone is playing for the shirt as players like Welbeck give their all in games but he doesnt play for the shirt he plays for his cash as is seen with his contract negotiation.

Allot of people will forget players like Keane who also wrangled to get his pay increase also didnt play for the shirt. He wanted to stay but was more than willing enough to move for the money as would almost any player nowadays.

So where do you draw the line?

I say you have players that play with pride for being Utd players but they are not playing solely for the shirt i.e Rafa, Chicho, Toni V then there are players who are here for the money i.e Rooney and there are others who are here for the simple fact they were bought and a combination of money and progression i.e DDG, Nani, Ando. (not so much progression in the last 2 ha)

Why would Ando be one you highlight as playing for the shirt? I just dont get that one. Unless you meant he is the onlly player since Big Pete who shows off the xxxl top?

Jono

Jono

Just got one question mate. You say that even Keanohh would have moved on if the pay structure at United was not broken. So who would we classify as playing for the shirt? That is the question i have for KLOOT. I have seen Rooney huff puff, get kicked, bleed, foul mouth a cameraman, drag the team along when pretty boi Ronaldo had jumped ship. And people say that "it was always CR7's dream". What is the beef with Rooney? Everyone does it mate. That is my point. Were Arsenal ready to match our wages as far as RVP was concerned. NO. Do we then take it as an Arsenal traitor is a saint and a United Traitor is the next Tevez. I dont even think either of them are traitors.

My second point mate, he has been performing really well of late. The number of assists ever since he has come back are superb. RVP looks a class apart playing with him. We were sh!t poor in matches without him. And KLOOT only finds the negative?? And the lad isent even a born CM. Please answer this for me.

Last point, Cleverly Ando playing for the shirt, sorry mate, i think i didnt put it correctly(word choice). I meant to say either ways KLOOT minces no words to label them as pathetic. Everyone knows Cleverly if not the next Scholes is never lacking in terms of commitment, energy and hard work. Ando i agree has only himself to blame.

My point, if rooney keeps playing well, till when can we use his contract thingie as a pretext to criticize him?

Jono, i would really want you to answer this, coz you write balanced posts. Would be good to pick your brains off :)

Deeps...

I wonder what Kloot would of said if we never matched rooney's demands and he left for an other club?
jred

Deeps

I think the difference between Rooney and Ronny was Rooney used the threat of leaving to get more money from us where as Ronny agreed to another year and a signed contract to allow us to get the best deal. More for SAF I believe than Utd but still that loyalty to the club was shown in some form. When he moved to Madrid it was not because we were not bowing to his demands it was because he wanted to go. I have absolutely no beef with a player who wants to join another club if they go about it the correct way. I think we got the best out of Ronny leaving that we could where as Rooney was willing to leave purely down to whether or not he would get paid what he wanted. This is what sticks in many fans throat and still tugs on KLOOTs strings. There is no doubt Rooney is one of our best players and had he not been this sittu would not have happened as SAF would have told him to F*** off.

So we see Rooney play like a WC striker in bursts then like podgey, off the boil player who has his head in another place at others. So when he is off the boil he is always an easy target for critisism as many expect, maybe wrongly, that he should be performing like Ronny and Messi in terms of consistancy at least especially with the pay he now squeezed out of us.

Traitor is maybe not the right word for RVP as it seems as though if money was his issue City would have been his destination, he showed a bit of loyalty to Arsenal by not following the route many hav etread before to the money bags. He has joined us on a big wage but as expected when you buy quality you pay for quality and RVP fully deserves top dollar as he is simply a top player. Rooney is also a top player but the way he went about it with the cover up about team direction and at the same time saying 'but if you offer me this I will stay' thats where he lost allot of respect. That is heading toward being a mercenary. He could only be classed as a traitor if he left but as he stayed he is now certainly not playing for the shirt no matter how much effort goes into his performance.

On Clevs I agree some maybe put to much criticism on him but to be honest the side passes and ball movement seems to be the role he is given not the penetrating passes and through balls. That is left to Rooney or the wide players. This stems from SAF not getting the tactics spot on to the way we are playing. KLOOT always points out the sideways passing which is correct he does do that but then he defends Carrick who does the exact same (different roles slightly I know). That then brings it back to Clevs being hailed by some as the next big thing and KLOOT using the passing as a reason to prove why he is not.

I think that he will do a job for us and if we sign 1 or 2 top CM's then he will be the important squad player that top teams need. So from that he is important but in my eyes not the answer to the long term improvement of the CM. Neither is Ando IMO.

Overall I think every Utd fan wants a top CMer or 2 and any youngster that doesnt set the world alight consistantly will always fall foul of fans who would prefer a top signing in there instead.

Cabaye and Vidal for me ;-)

Hope that answered a few points there mate.

Jono

Jono
whats your thoughts on kean , as he was quite prepared to move to juventus unless we payed him what he wants.
or ferdy who demanded more straight after being out for 8 months due to a missed drug test (on full pay)
i agree with your point that rooney is an easy target.
i also agree on clevs, its only on site that i see him getting stick and i honestly believe that is because some people bigged him up far to much so others are now expecting far to much.
jred

Jred

On Keane I think it is slightly different to Rooney in that although he haggled to get more cash and the idea of Juve was there he never started slating the current playing staff and direction of the club all he said was he didnt believe the offer was good enough if I remember rightly. It was about a very much more consistant performer asking for what was the going rate at other clubs. The Rooney amounts in comparisson are far more than that of Keane and many believe only the top elite should be asking for that amount, on top of that the route Rooney was willing to use was to our biggest rivals, at least if Keane had left he was out of the country.

So for Keane I think he helped us out by bringing the wage structure into the competitive bracket again with not so astronomical demands but Rooney was asking for far more than the going rate for what we were keeping and was willing to go to more extremes to get it, I think that is what seperates them IMO.

I am of the opinion that we have always been stingy with the wages and almost dont help ourselves when our top players see the other top players earning more they wonder why they are not. Now I fully understand earn what you keep but that doesnt work in football as the club have to stump up the cash to keep or buy the top players otherwise others will offer that and nick them.

So for many the fact Rooney is a top player but not someone allot feel as irreplacable then he will always be targetted through the contract, Keane on the other hand has proved he was that type of player as ten years on and we are still waiting for a real replacement.

Jono

I've no doubt RVP does have some tasty bonuses but he is still not on anywhere near the same wage. Granted none of us know the United accounts exactly but Rooney is one of the top 4 paid players in the world where as RVP isn't even in the top 20. Don't get me wrong, RVP is on alot of money I'm sure but it doesn't compare to Rooney's wage. If anyone cares to prove me wrong then feel free. The difference between Rooney and RVP is that he had GENUINE football reasons behind his move. He hadn't won a trophy in umpteen years so decided to move to a bigger, more successful club. Rooney just got in a strop because the media was talking about him as one of the top 3 players in the world and he wanted a wage to match.

TK-Red

I didn't mean basic wage, I meant overall.

TK-Red

Jone

Thanks mate for answering a few. Lol, i have got a couple more.

1)Why would someone only see the negatives(for Rooney) irrespective of the shift he puts in? Does it mean, that you continue giving him stick till he is with us. Why? Slag him if he is bad, slag him for his attitude if you want, but am sorry mate can't agree on the easy target thing even when he has one of his better games.

2)If he would have moved on with United not being able to match his wages, wouldnt KLOOT have come out with the Glazer Uncle sucks post? Either way its bad isent it.

3)Arsenal were not ready to accept City's valuation of RVP. (Playing the Devils advocate)

Deeps...

Deeps

1. I mean he is an easy target when he plays badly just the same as any top earner would be at their club. Ronny was getting it tight from the Real faithful not so long ago as they were not performing it comes part and parcel with the title of highest earner. It might just take regular stellar performances from Rooney for KLOOT to praise him as he feels so strongly against what he has done. Others might accept average to good, it comes down to the individual then.

2. If Rooney had left after we decided not to pay his massive demands then although there will be arguements for the Glazers not stumping up the cash most would say he was being far to greedy and see it from the clubs point of view. You have arguemets both ways and as long as the cash was used on the team most fans would have been ok with it if the club had told him to jog on I think (maybe not if he ended up at City though ha).

3. I think if RVP had said he only wanted City they would have had to either keep him or sell him to City irrelivent what what we offered. If RVP wanted to join for the cash I'm sure he could have easily pushed through a move to City no matter what amount of cash Arsenal wanted. I do really believe he joined us purely as he thought we are more competitive than Arsenal.

Jono