Manchester United Banter Archive August 09 2014

09 Aug 2014 22:39:23
Ed, with Vidals knee injury would he still be able to pass a medical with us if a deal was done? Or is there any way we could still sign him without depending on the medical? This probably sounds stupid there is obvious interest and it's clear we want a deal to be done so is there ways it can be done even if his knee is still niggling him?

{Ed002's Note - As his physician I would have to say it won't be a problem.}

09 Aug 2014 23:26:44
Hahaha love that reply. I thought you were a rodeo clown though!

Thats a Relief!

Hargreaves anybody? Should we really commit so much money on someone who still has a niggle with his knee? Great player, but he's not Ronaldo or Messi.

AJH, or should we not bother buying Vidal and let the £50m go towards the debt :)

I think I would prefer Vidal, injured or not.

Sydney, that's not what I said. We need to buy but £45M for someone who may have a dodgy knee is not sensible. We need a CB and. String CM urgently, just don't agree it has to be Vidal.

AJH, fair enough mate, but if it's not Vidal then it will probably be Carrick :)

AJH - I'm not sure it's fair to call it a dodgey knee just yet. He picked up a niggling injury at the wrong time is all.

09 Aug 2014 18:19:18
A list of transfer targets the way I see it:

Clearly we need a midfielder. So I'm going to say Vidal is the priority, Song back up to him and I think we may get De Jong anyway as he is a different type of player to the two above.

Di Maria is the winger that we want, but given that he would be very poor at wing back then I can see a big push for Cuadrado - we need that to happen quickly though before PSG get Alves and Barca move for Cuadrado.

No clue on the centre back.

Would di maria be poor at wingback?
He puts a shift in and was very good last year playing in a 3 man midfield .
can beat a player and is a crosser

Couldn't agree more Jred.

09 Aug 2014 17:15:48
Apparently pogba has said he and some other members at juve have heard that vidal is leaving. Sounds promising.

Also any legs in the vertongen rumours?

Cheers

Here's what he said regarding Vidal
. “Of course, I hope he will stay,” Pogba said of Vidal.
“He’s injured at the moment and he’s
trying to get fit. We want him to stay at
Juventus. For the moment he is here
so we won’t speak about him leaving.”

09 Aug 2014 15:05:04
according to reports, we are interested in marcos rojo? I hope this is true because he is quite a versatile defender playing left or centre back which when playing with a back 3 is quite useful for our new system under LvG? think he's better than verm too? every cloud has a silver lining eh?

He is versatile and does fit the profile, but IMO he isn't good enough.

This rumour has come from him following MU Official, Januzaj and RVP on Twitter - I don't think that says too much.

09 Aug 2014 14:46:22
Just interested in peoples opinions.

Say if Vidal and Hummels either aren't available or unwilling to come without champions league football. But they would both be available next summer as long as we have UCL football at that time. Would you rather sign other players now or wait to sign the best next summer?

If we were to turn our attentions to another midfielder the two names that have been mentioned lately in the press are Song and De Jong out of the two who would you prefer amd why?

And finally with Vermaelen joining Barca( and dashing Aggers dreams. Lol) and Hummels looking unlikely who would you target for CB?

Looking forward to reading peoples views on these matters.

09 Aug 2014 15:34:22
Shappy, I would rather De jong over Song if they were the only options. 1) due to the relationship and understanding between dejong and LVG. 2) de jong understands the system. 3) I think de jong is the more motivated player and wants to achieve whereby INO song has been happy kicking his heels and picking up his wages for a few years.

I think vlaar would be a decent option at CB at a good price and for the 1st 2 reasons above he would be a decent fit. If not top class alternatives are not 10 a penny so anybody else will be a risk.

If vidal won't come now because we have no CL football I would not want him next year same goes for humells

I'd pick De Jong over Song as he has played under LVG and played the system however, in terms of ability I don't think there is much between him and Song.

There are plenty of CB's we could look at depending on how much we are willing to spend. Varane is going to be the best CB in the world in 2/3 years in my opinion so he should be considered despite it more than likely we would never get him. Benatia, Chiellini and Badstuber would command big fees as well. Inigo Martinez and Ayemeric Laporte are 2 who have been mentioned before and either would be a great addition, however, Inigo slightly more so.

If they were all available and interested I'd go in this order:
Varane
Inigo Martinez
Benatia
Laporte
Chiellini
Badstuber

Just a few to choose from but I don't think we will get any of them.

I don't think that there is too much between Song and De Jong. Of the two I'd take De Jong as he is made of sterner stuff and would be more of a presence in the middle. As for a centre back, personally I'd like to see Verthongen - I really do rate him. Also think Varane would be a solid option.

I think we MUST get a solid player at CM. Cleverley and Fellaini are a big step down from Herrera, Fletcher, and Carrick.
LVG may use Kagawa in a deeper role, I do hope he stays. Hope we get Vidal, and if not, Carvalho.

09 Aug 2014 14:56:37
I've based my team on the current squad with everyone fit and the formation LVG said he's going to play. Mata will be behind the forwards.

http://www.manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/formations/carloto.php

That's probably the line-up we would make if everyone was fit and we didn't sign anyone else. 100% agree with that line-up Carloto.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion . but would you really have YOUNG at RWB?? if both raf and val were fit.

he has had a good preseason but not that good. haha

and I know where mata will play in your system but you have him as a dm hehe.

I did it on my phone and couldn't move the players about.
I chose Young because I have tour fever.

09 Aug 2014 12:24:02
Rumours floating around about our interest in Mehdi Benatia. best option apart from Hummels, IMO! I'd love to see him wearing #5 next season.

Woodward needs to get his hands dirty, because right now it's starting to eerily resemble last summer: Woodward gives big speech about how big and rich a club we are with no budget, then slinks off and disappears towards the end of the window.

It's a long-shot but if we signed Vidal, Cuadrado and Benatia I would never, ever slag the man off again.

Would prefer Benatia to Hummels, wouldn't mind either though.

09 Aug 2014 10:14:49
Let's face facts ,without European football it's not very unlikely in my opinion that the likes of Vidal will even consider us this summe. I'm not being defeatist here just realistic.andog

If you siad to say Vidal Benatia is the next join he would be more inticed because of a secong world class player in

You are very naive mate. Very little to do with european football when it comes to transfers.

Hi Guys

I have to say Andog I don't agree with you I think in Vidal's case he has had a busy year and carries a knee injury.A season with just domestic football will give him a chance to regain his fitness.

European Football is just a stick to beat us with when other clubs negotiate. An extra arrow in their quiver.

Lets face it we have failed with a great deal of World Class players we have attempted to buy for a long time now, the list is ridiculously long. During that time we were doing well in the CL, the problem is money, location and much more competition for those players.

If Vidal is not even considering us, then we wouldn't be trying to sign him. Obviously!

How do you even know we are trying to sign him , the club havnt said it

09 Aug 2014 14:59:51
Syd surely if we were really trying to sign him we would have made a bid? The imminent bid Ed002 spoke about a couple of weeks ago does not appear to have gone in yet.

{Ed002's Note - Yes it did, through a third party. It and a bid from elsewhere drove the deadline and ultimatum.}

Ed are juve holding out for more money or do they just not want to sell

{Ed002's Note - Done to death - this was explained previously.}

09 Aug 2014 15:58:48
Thanks for the update Ed002, do you know if the bid was enough? so If Vidal asks for the move is the price agreed?

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that. I explaine4d the situation. Juventus are trying to get several transactions agreed and are needing to balance the books, so it is a difficult time with players away and injured.}

09 Aug 2014 06:48:17
http://www.manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/formations/zidaniel.php

The 3-5-2 if Vidal and Cuadrado arrives. Looks good on paper!

{Ed001's Note - can I just ask if anyone has any feedback on the formations page please? Anything you would like to see added or changed?}

Is there the possibility to see the most common/favourite formation users pick?

{Ed001's Note - I will see if we can add that.}

09 Aug 2014 10:30:05
Formations page is great, would be good if we could move the players around manually a bit (i.e with the mouse) but apart from that it's great

{Ed001's Note - you can drag and drop them with the mouse.}

09 Aug 2014 11:34:04
Must have been my computer then cheers ed

Amazing work eds
It would also be nice if one could add arrows so as to explain a bit of strategy too.It could get mucky though.

I think it looks really slick ed's, good job :)

09 Aug 2014 12:42:37
Could it be option for mobile version please? Unless I've missed it.

09 Aug 2014 01:34:33
we all got excited when we made the double signing of shaw ans herrea, but let's be honest they wernt LVG signings.

we were after them while moyes was manager.

we have lost rio, vidic and evra and giggs(retired)

yet woodward says money isn't an issue, well how about we actually make bids for players rather than talking the same bull as previous windows.

8 days till the season starts and still LVG has yet to make an actual signing of his own.

we don't need players with potential, after the shocking 7th place last season we should be going all out to get the players we need to push us back into CL.

every player is available for the right amount so its simple go and bid the right amount.(its not our money were spending so why should we fans care how much were spending as long as it gets us back up there)

we need to stop penny pinching and just pay the money.

RANT OVER

09 Aug 2014 06:53:11
This arise 2 major question
1) where is ed Woodward who has left american tour for general business
2) where is highly reported 200m for instant re building?

Woodwoody went to urgent vacation.
Just like previous year.
Woodwoody is full of .
Never trust woodwoody when it comes to transfers.
We fooled everyone by saying no budget and other .
I was telling everyone here that our squad is not great yet and we need great signings urgently to be greats again.
With all honesty our squad is not good enough to win the league. Even finishing top 4 won't be easy.

Totally agree Rodio and Mufc90.
One dead wood I hope leaves is
Ed woodwoody.
Someone tell him to go to specsavers
And then have a look at squads like
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, arsenal etc.
To see how good there squad is.
We just need 4-5 top signings to be great again.
One love utd.
Hate woodwoody & glaziers "Penny pinchers"
With passion.

85 million of it is in the glazers back pocket!

Lads, Think your being a bit harsh on Woody, in fairness he had a shocker last summer, hopping around europe throwing bids at this lad and that lad, all played out in the media, rooney wanting out, all being played out in the media. Compare that to this year, bid submitted for Shaw last day of the season, rejected, then nothing for 5/6 weeks, then signed, Herrera debacle from last year we all remember, this year, bid submitted, rejected(accepted really), then signed. that's good business, and a good job, and sure as hell he has learnt from his mistakes from last summer so I say fair play and keep it going. Keep your eye on ssn early next week, reckon a good bit could happen.

MUFC90

That is a good point and had not thought about it as I was told way back in Jan that we would get saw and make a bid on Vidal and Herrera, which were all dm targets.

I am also now curious to see what the of players LVG will sign and he better get moving. I am not naive to believe we will go out and spend 150 million like some want it but still expect Vidal and CD (prefer Benatia over hummels as he is a beast of defender and shame we screwed around last summer or could of had him for half the current asking price) in before the window closes.

Gcu
lvg said he gave the ok for herrea and shaw but has he maybe decided against vidal and kross in favour of his own signings

Jred, of course not, otherwise we wouldn't have made a bid last week for Vidal.

Vidal was clearly a target before lvg I wouldn't be at all surprised if lvg has his own players in mind for cm .

Loving the positivity that radiates from Ash.Da.1 yet again, am I the only one who hates reading woodwoody 10 times every post?

More than one manager can have the same target or targets. Especially when it's the best b2b midfielder in the world.

09 Aug 2014 00:44:14
Can't wait for the season to start. I will be there tuesday and expecting there will be some optimism in the air.
Would love Vidal and Hummels but let's face it even if we just sign blind as cover, with the signings we have already made and more importantly the new manager we are going to have a much better season than last. Top 4 and a cup. Next year fighting for the league, year after champs league as well. The good times are coming!