Manchester United Banter Archive March 09 2013

09 Mar 2013 22:10:54
I read in the sun that Nike and united will be putting in a joint bid 75mil plus nani for Ronaldo to come home obviously the sun is more of a tabloid paper, but could there be any truth to this?

'Norri the Aussie'
#73

75 million + nani would equate to more than we got for him, just. I highly doubt united would fund a deal like this

Doesn't 75 million + nani come to 75 million? Which is 5 million less than we got for Ronaldo ;)

Sorry Percy!

75.5 million at a push GDS ;)

Why would real madrid want Nani?

Papers say 75m euros

09 Mar 2013 18:01:34
Watching city play Barnsley. It is farcical. Not sure how Barnsley have got so far in the cup.
As for tuniclliffe, he's touched the ball three times in first 30 mins and has given it away every time. Not sure he'll make it. City winning 3-0.
NoMidfield

NM,

Are you judging tunnicliffe on 3 touches of the ball, or have you seen him regularly in the reserves? What were you expecting from him in this game, to take the whole city team on and lob the keeper?

I actually don't think he will make it I'm not sure he is good enough, based on regularly watching reserve team matches, not on 30 minutes of one match.

Hope our coaching staff are a little more patient than you!

Can't really judge him on that barnsley are awful.

Have you actually watched Barnsley play, no name, or are you also going on 1 game against a higher standard of opposition? Despite their league position Barnsley have been playing some nice football of late (since Flitcroft took charge) so to say Barnsley are awful is not quite true.

TK-Red

09 Mar 2013 23:46:04
tk league tables don't lie and playing pretty football means naff all end of day its about points. Barnsley have been awful most of the season. So there's no need to get snotty.

Ok first of all let me say that this is a banter forum so if you think that is a snotty response then you're in for a shock.

Secondly you're wrong when you say the table doesn't lie, in a sense. The table at the end of the season doesn't lie but as things stand there are games in hand to be played. Barnsley have 17 points of a possible 30 since January aswell as a run to the QF of the FA Cup which is certainly not the form of an "awful" side. On top of that they have games in hand which, if they win, will put them up into lower/mid table.

Take it as snotty or not, I don't really mind but you can't proclaim a team as "awful" all season when you haven't even watched them play.

TK-Red

Watched the game. Tunners doesn't look comfortable on the ball. He looks to release it as soon as he gets it, sometimes even when there is no urgency. And very often finds the wrong man. He was clueless on a couple of occasions when he had the ball on right wing and all he tried for was a throw. Can't be judged on 1 game but wasn't too impressed with what I saw ( I understand it was a quality opposition and all that ). Benoit.

09 Mar 2013 17:08:30
I hear Tunnicliffe is staring for Barnsley against City in half hour, be a good opportunity to see how the lad stands up against quality midfield. Hope he rattles a few of the City players too.

I know some don't rate the lad but I think he could be decent physical CM we need, suppose we'll getter a better idea today.

Yes he is in the team hope he has a good game

Sorry, said quality midfield, didn't realise Barry was playing.

Barry is a much better player that Tunnicliffe will ever be unfortunately

snakey

Thank you for the insight snakey.

09 Mar 2013 15:43:43
It is interesting that some on here and in the press have suggested Moyes as Fergusons replacement. Well my Everton fans are calling for him to be sacked for poor tactics and lack of motivation of the team.
I truly hope today puts a stop to anyone who wishes to suggest Moyes as our future manager. He has won nothing, has little European experience and this idea he can have success on a shoestring is obviously totally flawed and inaccurate.
I know it was Kloots worst fear and for me Moyes would be an absolute disaster for our club and I would seriously question anyone who puts Moyes forward now.

I am a strong Mourinho advocate and that hasn't changed, as for Bobby Charltons opinion of the next manager well I remember his management experience at Preston. Anyway I hope today's embarrassment for Everton has ended any chance for Moyes.

Hi Red Man

Moyes seems to be trying to model himself on SAF in terms of demeanour, speaking to the press etc. and that is what feeds some people's imagination that he would be natural to succeed the big man IMO. I'm convinced that since the early links between us and him he has done his best to come across as someone who is ready for such a big club, he's always very business like when talking to the press, like SAF.

I agree with you that he is not ready. We need someone who has shown the ability to win things and someone with more European expeirence.

I actually think Moyes has done a great job at Everton, their league finishes have been excellent compared with net spending. However, if he wants a massive job one day I feel he needs a stepping stone job where he can prove himself capable of winning things.

Mourinho or Guardiola end of. Moyes would be a disaster
Blackpool Red

I think most people expect fergy to retire either next year or the year after, I think he might surprise us and go at the end of the season with mourhino coming in

09 Mar 2013 16:28:04
i strongly agree. As someone pointed out on twitter moyes is a nearly manager. Nearly won the cup, nearly got them to the champions league. He just isn't a winner. Fergie has always been a winner. Jose for all his faults is a winner. that's the kind of mentality we need in a manager. Look at how fergie took last season and has pushed the team on this season. Can you see moyes doing the same? I'd prefer Jose over the other candidates as he's a proven winner, wants the job and has the balls for the job, the pressure wouldn't faze him. Mort

Stevie k is his biggest advocate. Hope he finally sees the light. Moyes is an average manager with little experience. If he comes to united, we might as well give up.
Can u see rvp, Rooney and the rest being managed by him? I don't think so.
Mourinho or klopp.
NoMidfield

I think it could be fergie's last season and that's why he was so upset after being robbed against madrid, seeing it as his last chance and it was achievable.

I don't have a problem with Moyes. I think we will go for someone who is long term - Mourinho and Guardiola and not. Moyes has done brilliantly with what he has been given and he has unearthed some gems. Not saying he is the right man but some people on here are obsessed with big names and reputations - frankly I'm not impressed.

AJH

We'll never have another manager though come in and do a decade or more. I'd take 3 -5 years of Jose and then OGS long term but even Ole porbably wouldn't be manager for 10 years or longer.

Moyes as other have said doesn't have a winning mentality.

The whole doing well on peanuts is a myth.

Laudrup at Swansea in his first season spending mext to nothing has won a trophy. Moyes in 11 years has won nothing.

Booby charlton understands more than you do about united, red man

nikz

09 Mar 2013 15:04:02
If Lewandowski were to sign, we would have 5 strikers, 6 including Henrqiuez who would probably need another loan. So since there is almost no chance of RVP leaving there are three players that could be sold: Welbeck, Hernandez or Rooney. My preferred option out of these three to be sold would be Welbeck, but I am more than happy for him to stay at the club. If he can improve his finishing he has everything else to be a quality striker, he is fast, strong, good build up play, good on the ball and has a good work ethic. He is still young too.
I really don't want Hernandez to leave but unfortunately I think it is very possible. Rooney could well leave too, not sure how large the offer would have to be but around the 40mill region would see him gone I think.
One option which could work would be to go with the diamond, RVP and Lewy up top with Rooney deeper. I think this could be a stepping-stone to Rooney eventually moving into midfield and there would be enough games for rotation with Hernandez and Welbeck. I think this would mean saying goodbye to a winger, probably Nani and makes Ronaldo very unlikely. However, I think if we were to buy one or two midfielders this would work very well. We can always revert back to 442 as Young, Valencia, Kagawa, Welbeck and Giggs can all play out wide.

Just my opinion and more than likely none of this will happen though. Lol.
D31

I see lewandowski as an out and out striker were as Rooney is more of a second striker, I don't really see them competing for the same position to be honest.
I like Hernandez a lot but if we buy lewandowski I think his place could be under threat, after all he is all ready struggling for a game now

09 Mar 2013 16:19:15
Welbeck won't go he's done enough recently to suggest he's earned next season. He's homegrown and versatile. Hernandez could be at risk if rumour of him being unsettled are true. I'd rather not lose either of those two. Henriquez needs a full season loan anyway. As does will keane. Rooney there is bound to be speculation. The one thing he won't do is move to midfield as his first touch and short passing game isn't good enough and he loses possession too easily.

Why put Rooney in midfield when there are far better midfielders? Either Rooney earns his place or he doesn't play, can't see where the confusion is

09 Mar 2013 13:32:36
Guys, do we still want Moyes to be our next manager? I don't think so. Mourinho or klopp only choices.
Nomidfield

09 Mar 2013 14:25:52
never wanted moyes in the first place mort

There are also manager such as Capello, Lippi, Ancelotti and Van Gaal. All experienced and have one trophies. My preferred choice though is Mourinho who I think will come this summer or the next regardless of SAF being director or not.

Supasub

09 Mar 2013 12:50:49
Afternoon Gents,

Just settled down for the Everton v Wigan game and understandably they had a part on Leighton Baines.

Now I know the majority of people on here want us to sign him but I have not hidden my views on him and would rather we didn't.

My reasons I have stated before are due to his defensive abilities and Lee Dixon confirmed my view as he stated that interestingly all the highlight reels of Baines are of attacking clips. He went on to say he believes Baines still has a lot to learn as a full back when it comes to the defensive side of the role.

For me, attacking is not a concern for us but defensively we need improving and buying a 28 year old for £12-15 million who still has to learn the defensive part of his game is not what we need. I stated in the game we played them that after 15 minutes, Moyes had to move Pienaar back to LM to help Baines, this was against an out of form Valencia low on confidence.

I just believe we can invest in a more defensive minded LB or trust Fabio or Buttner to understudy Evra for 1 more season, getting more games and then use the £12-15million elsewhere.

I have no doubt people will disagree and bang on about Baines but I think some people should not be blinded by his attacking abilities and look at what he could offer us defensively and I think there are a lot of players at LB who would do a better job.

09 Mar 2013 13:02:10
ok Ports who would be your preferred signing at left back then. Who would you spend twelve million on? Mort

Spot on ports, too similar to evra and certainly no better tbh I think if we ever had a serious interest we'd have bid before now and £10-15m is needed elsewhere.

BABY FACED ASSASIN

Mort,

I don't know, I don't know who's available and how much they would cost? I'm not a scout and I don't watch lots of German, Italian, Dutch, Portugease football but I'm sure United have a half decent scouting team and if you looked in the French or Italian league there would be a LB of decent age who is all about defending and could pick up for a decent price like we did with Evra or Heinze.

If Buttner, Fabio or Blackett are not deemed good enough I would like Shaw who we could coach and mould his defensively. But believe me there are players out there, Arsenal signed Monreal or something like that and believe me he will be decent. Maybe sign him in the summer :) {Ed004's Note - I reckon Shaw is good enough defensively to be a regular in the league and he seems a hard working player so I would love to see him signed}

09 Mar 2013 14:17:49
Ports I asked as like you i'm not sure who else is out there. There isn't really a stand out left back who looks like a must have. I think its going to be Blackett in a few years time we just need someone to get us through the next three years which is why Baines is attractive. But I don't see us going for him this summer. I think evra will have a final year and fabio and buttner will fight it out. Mort

Ed004,

I agree, Shaw would be my ideal signing, I think he's good enough now and just requires a bit of tidying up. Out of interest 004, how much could you see Shaw going for? Would £10-12 Million sound fair? I know it all depends on Southampton's valuation really but I think that sounds a fair deal, maybe chuck in Buttner who I believe Southampton looked at? {Ed004's Note - Yes I reckon 10 million and burner would be enough. Keep Fabio to compete with his brother let Evra help Shaw for the first season with experience etc then either promote Blacketts or sign another lb the season after}

09 Mar 2013 12:21:50
Nani getting into side before Rooney on Tuesday still baffles me. I'm sure the Rooney 'stay or go' debate would not have happened if SAF had chosen our favourite scouser over the Portugese. I've no doubt Rooney will be here next season. Season after I'm less sure as that will be when contract negotiations for a renewal will be on the cards. In the meantime please can we finally show Nani the door. This is nothing to do with his v harsh sending off. Appreciate his contribution to a great first half performance but bottom line his inconsistency means we need another option. I pray he does not get a new contract at United out of pure sympathy. He's not United class. Rooney is.

Halesini

09 Mar 2013 12:55:48
It was tactical. Rooney doesn't have the same pace as Nani on the wing. It was also working. Till the red. Nani should go this summer its far too little far too late. Rooney's contract however will have to be sorted this summer as he only has two years left. We can't let an asset with his value get to twelve months left. If Rooney wants to stay he has to be reasonable in his demands. If he takes the Mick then he'll be sold. I'd rather he stayed as we look better with him than without him. But he has to be more professional and look after his weight better. If we sell him as well as Nani then that money has to be spent on two players to improve the starting eleven.

09 Mar 2013 13:13:02
nani hasn't played bad once for me all the times he's got on this season whereas valencia has been poor everytime, nani is still our best winger and was having a great game on tuesday, I do think he will be going but I can't see why unless he is not happy here but if he played more then he might be. rooney has lost the ball so much lately i'm not sure he wouldve been right to start against madrid and don't think he wouldve done much more than nani did

The games about having a balanced team playing Rooney out wide to attack a full back would not work Sir Alex & staff got their tactics bang on which they have done against any of our big games this season.
Rodney's big news for the british media whether is performances for England or Utd are good or poor before his standard.

Nani hasn't suddenly got better he had a decent game against reading and against madrid he was a mixture of some good things some same old ie poor decsions and piss poor corners. he's had his chance and we will offload in the summer
johndenton

I agree with no name, Valencia has been terrible. He is a one footed winger who had blistering pace. Now his pace has gone and he seems lost. No tricks no left foot so the left back can just push him on the outside.
And all this time, we get people coming in saying nani must go? I'll sell Valencia any day. We need to buy a good left footed winger, so Bale is the best choice assuming cr7 is out of our reach.
Nomidfield

09 Mar 2013 13:49:29
Nani's going because he isn't good enough to be a united player. For a professional player to be unable to take a corner that clears the first defender is pathetic. Far too inconsistent. If he could play at his best level more often he'd be staying. He thinks he's better than he is.

Agree Valencia has been poor this season. Nani, on balance, has been poor every season tho. Poor with the occasional sparkling game I grant you. Can't see Nani stopping. Can't see Ronaldo coming back either unfortunately so given Zaha already signed but all 3 of our other wing options look suspect I'm hoping we are in for Rodriguez or Isco as a minimum this summer. Unlike some I would love to see Bale in a United shirt but think we won't pay £50m or so Levy will no doubt want.

Halesini

09 Mar 2013 11:22:11
Does anyone think that Valencia is more likely to leave than Nani is? Ronaldo and Nani on the wings would be great.

Not really Ronaldo doesn't track back, he is Ronaldo. And Nani rarely tracks back, i'd feel sorry for Evra whichever one he had infront of him.

Ronald doesn't need to track back, he is busy putting the right back under pressure all the time.
Ronaldo and nani will be superb. We also have young and zaha as cover. No place for Valencia.
Nomidfield