Manchester United Banter Archive September 09 2011

 

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09 Sep 2011 23:19:30
Thought this was an interesting point but De Gea has just been named as sky sports keeper of the month. Am watching Sky Sports 2. Premier league preview I think and he has made 20 saves this month and has won 54 points. Rooney and young are forward and midfielder of the month respectively.
The Red Manc
Ps this is only points system.

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09 Sep 2011 22:34:51
De Rossi has stalled talks over a new contract. could he be coming to manchester hope its red
lol

Aaronaldo7

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09 Sep 2011 22:25:00
i think its generally accepted by most fans on here that its not just a case of improving personnel but of finding some sort of tactical answer to Barca. We could do a city and throw millions on players and still lose if we don't figure out how to play them the right way. Rincewind. Sorry forgot to sign couple of others.

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09 Sep 2011 22:16:01
cosh actually in fifties england still played with herbert chapmans thirties wm system. None of our players fitted the hungarian system. Good players will adapt any to any system but you need the right system. Go ask mourinho if he just picks the best eleven players or finds the right system. Its tactical naivety. Barca have spent the last decade producing players to fit both cruyffs total football philosophy and also finding the system that best allows them to express themselves. You say more teams would play that way if it works. Well barca are the proof it works. And i think in the next few years you will more teams trying to evolve that way. I believe we are already seeing a similar evolution at united. Maybe not totally emulating barca but with our own stamp on it.

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09 Sep 2011 21:35:35
o and another point on tactics. Greece were a functional hard working side not exactly blessed with outstanding players but they still won the euro's because they used a system which they all understood and with made the best of them. Same with barca the system makes the most out of the players. Look at england and the whole gerrard and lampard thing. Good players individually but together the system failed them.

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09 Sep 2011 21:26:22
cosh they do have some of the best players in the word agreed. But the system is very important. Football is about more than just picking the best eleven players and sending them out. This why keegan is no longer a manager and why england struggle at international level and have done for years. Its no coincidence that most of the barca team is homegrown and all taught to play that one system. And their transfers are made to fit that system. We do the same. I could waffle on for hours. Thanks for all the replies though. I just thought it interesting to see that barca in possession play that old fifties style almost. Rincewind

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09 Sep 2011 20:50:53
Im a UTD fan and would prefer to have Adam than Carrick as Adam passes the ball far better than Carrick as well as being able to tackel and being good at set pieces.

£7million they paid for him and he-s 24/25 even for a squad player or first team player its still a good buy and relatively cheap comparing to £16 mill for Carrick.

Im not saying Adam is amazing but i think when he plays his heart is more in it than Carricks.

Sometimes effort means more than ability i.e Nani he can be great then can be bad and too greedy and wanting to do everything himself.

Albeit i rate Nani but he does fustrate and Carrick is ok. {Ed007's Note - Adam who?? You better not be meaning who I think you are? }

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09 Sep 2011 20:29:38
First off EDs the reply button is not working on phones.

Lfc

How can you nit pick at any of SAF's recent transfers when you had one of the worst disasters in recent memory with Robbie Keane? £20m bought for then after 6 months sold for 12m an 8m loss in valuation in 6 months. No doubt that happened automatically as he now had lfc on his cv!

Worst monatry signing fergie did was Hargo but that was nothing to do with playing ability just his luck with injuries.

I can see your optimism for the season with all the new signings but at the same time I also see how dependent you have been on your star striker so far. Ring any bells?

With replacing alot of your squad with younger players you have the potential to do better than 6th but in all honesty that takes alot of luck and I for one would like to see how you can operate without the mesiah up top for you!

Jono {Ed007's Note - I've passed that on about the buttons Jono, cheers.}

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09 Sep 2011 21:01:20
By the way if anyone is up at the RAF Leuchars air show tomorrow reply to this and I'll give you a tour if you fancie it.

Jono

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09 Sep 2011 19:44:54
The thing is regards Barcelona has anyone looked at the tactics that they use?

They might line up in a conventional 4-3-3 style formation, and play like that when they lose the ball:

Valdes

Alves - Puyol - Pique - Abidal/ Maxwell/ Adriano.

Iniesta - Busquets - Xavi/ Cesc

Pedro/ Sanchez - Messi - Villa

But when they have the ball then its a whole new (or not) approach.

When the have the ball the CB's stay back and Busquets drops back a little as well. The 2 full backs push up into midfield more as wingers than wing backs and Xavi and Iniesta pish forwards as well. It starts looking like an old school 50's style 2-3-5 formation:


Valdes

Puyol - Pique

Alves - Busquets - Abidal/ Maxwell/ Adriano

Pedro/ Sanchez - Iniesta - Messi - Xavi - Villa

Obviously with Xavi and Iniesta dropping a little deeper like old inside forwards and with the front 3 interchanging. So a compaact 2 sets of 3 's suddenly becomes a forward 5 and swamps the defence.

How do you defend against that?

Obviously tricky, man-marking would allow players to be pulled out of defence creating gaps, whilst zonal to me just never seems to work properly. A combination of both might work. With the full backs taking the 2 wide players and a dedicated defensive midfielder taking Xavi. The centre backs to concentrate on who ever strays in to the area and the other centre mids taking Iniesta and possibly Messi. Maybe best going with 5 in midfield ourselves. But then this means we're playing their game and not ours.

I certainly wouldn't like Fergies problem and look with interest at the classico games this season to see what Jose does.

Rincewind

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09 Sep 2011 17:33:37
"lfc"

You praise Dogleash for the players he's bought and sold. He still spent 55 million on Carroll and Henderson. That is pathetic management no matter what club you support. He bought Adam and sold one of your performers of the season in Mereiles. Terrible management. You see him as King Kenny from his playing days. I see him as a manager who bottles it BIG time at every club hes managed. When the going gets tough, Kenny gets going.

Mumbles

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09 Sep 2011 16:45:07
Does everyone expect De Gea to start tomorrow? I know Sir Alex leapt to his defence in his press conference this morning, asking for more protection from the referee, but I wonder if it's perhaps a ploy? Sir Alex knows that Coyle will be hoping to put as much pressure on De Gea as possible, and I think we can expect a direct approach from them tomorrow. From a goalkeeper's point of view, the Premiership doesn't really get more physical than a game against Kevin Davies at the Reebok. Maybe Lindegaard would be better suited? I don't think it's any coincidence that both keepers are totally different in body size and style. Some of the most experienced keepers get bullied when they travel away to Bolton, Stoke etc, and I don't think it would do any harm using Lindegaard in these kind of games.

I might be over thinking this a bit, but I think there's a possibility De Gea won't feature tomorrow.

Matthew...

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09 Sep 2011 16:35:33
Seeing as xmas is only a few months away i was wondering if anyone on this site would be interested in buying the 2011-2012 liverpool calender ? Bit different to utd's cos it starts in august and ends in january

Nameless child

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09 Sep 2011 15:54:47
Hey all,

Just wondering how everyone would rate our wingers

With Nani, Young, and Toni now back, i'm just wondering how our winger combinations stack up against other winger combos in the world, i.e. Robben and Ribery for Bayern and Di Maria and Ronnie for Madrid.

Sparty On

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09 Sep 2011 15:27:26
Gary Cook just resigned from Man City, Just said 'after the whole Nedum Ounhua fiasco' Anyone know what happened ?

A.S.H.W.I

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09 Sep 2011 13:55:28
since king kenny took charge in jan ,lpool have spent 112m on 9 new players and got rid of lots of deadwood, saving the club 30m in wages, money recouped for outgoing players is 83m when all transfer money comes in, so infact kk has built a new team nearly for 29m net spend ,and the criticism he gets from the press, media, radio is terrible, the bias against our club is driven by people who are fickle and jump on the bang wagon of anything thats putting lpool down, i am not having a go at utd,but now i know why saf throws the jonos out of his press conferences and has some of them banned.the media can be very misleading , so the next time you are ready to slag off king kenny , think first.........just thought i would put that in as this page is turning into some sort of book-club, .............lfc

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09 Sep 2011 13:06:22
agreed with the ed. What with the closing of the window and an international week this place has gone quiet so anything that gets a bit of chat going is good. Ok politics maybe a bit much but various dream team line ups has been entertaining and so has the book thing. Rincewind

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09 Sep 2011 13:04:43
I for one don't believe a word sydney has to say on the matter. There is more chance of Cristiano Ronaldo re-joining, than the chance of him not. Just think about it, in a couple seasons time we should be out of debt and with the profit that we have been told the club makes on a yearly basis, surely we could afford him?

I was sceptical at first, Syd. But think of it this way, he left the club thinking he was making a step up, which at the time it probably was a step up. But where could he move to, from Madrid that would be a step up now? Barcelona and Manchester United. Dont even mention city, they could easily afford him but im true to my feeling that Ronaldo is a respectful footballer. Barcelona simply do not need him, and would risk upsetting many big names by bringing him in. Us however, have a beautiful past with the Ronaldo and he has even admitted he would like to return one day. We all know MUFC made him into the player he is today, why wouldn't he return? With the fair play rule coming into play we would be able to pay him a reasonable wage which would obviously have to be in our top range of pay.

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09 Sep 2011 09:49:20
if were talking books i agree with the orwell shout especially down and out. Brown is all right, gets you thinking but i'd suggest reading his source material. And obviously discworld. Rincewind.

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09 Sep 2011 09:38:18
Also for the Conspirators amongst you check out Zeitgeist (sp?) there are a fair few available on you tube covering all different theories from Religion (not the Glasgow kind), World Bankers (yes I did mean Bankers), 9/11, 7/7 and also have a look at a film by Micheal Moore who I normally don't like but the film "Sicko" really shows how good MOST countries in the world have it over America in terms of Medical Care.

Jono

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09 Sep 2011 09:25:59
Invisible Stuey.

I actually did have Gazza with Davids and Zidane in CM. I to was rather surprised nobody else had him in.

Jono

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09 Sep 2011 08:32:28
does anybody know what is happening to Ravel Morrison.. Really good player

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09 Sep 2011 03:22:18
I do hate talking about "How to beat Barcelona" all the time - however I do have an opinion which I shall subject you all to now:

Besides not having any of the ball, I think one of the big issues with the last two Champo finals was the lack of belief in the team. These boys have now been through if a few times and look like they've lost the belief that they can actually do it.

A simple remedy to this is already in effect. A bunch of kids with the talent to get there, who perhaps haven't experienced this before. I remember when I was younger, thinking I was a world beater. Nothing is beyond you when you're that age and with the confidence they're riding on right now. It's only when you get a bit older you start seeing your limitations and taking heed.

For example, look at the recent game with Arsenal. The kids took it and ran with it. Fair enough, they were a weakened team but the same happened with Spurs the previous week. They don't think for a minute that they're going to lose. They're full of self belief, and as we all know; confidence is a catalyst for unlocking potential and skill. If their great run continues and they avalanche through the season - I believe with a bit more possession, and some super tactical work by SAF and co, these boys really could do the trick.

What do you lot think? Is it just another of my pipe dreams..?

Joe

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09 Sep 2011 02:43:33
Man utd offer berba 2year contract,,maybe goodtimes beckon for him at utd

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