Manchester United Rumours Archive July 10 2013

10 Jul 2013 19:30:16
Well vidic hasn't travelled with the squad due to an apparent injury so with smalling out and vidic out looks like we only have 3 centre backs meaning all of you saying Garay isn't needed well i'd sure take him right now

Can Garay not also play at Right Back if needed? or am I totally wrong

Fact is our CBs are all injury prone and don't appear to be able to string 3 games in a row and everyone with a brain know you need a solid and consistent CB pairing

We have four defender Keane is going to be a good player but if Vida goes we will sign Garary

Your reasoning is faulty. We have 2 central defenders injured and still have 3 available, that's actually a good sign in terms of depth. Injuries happen, you can't build a squad with enough depth to cover every possible eventuality with quality options, you'd need 50 odd players!

"We only have 9 strikers? What happens if 5 are injured, two are abducted by aliens, one gets lost on the way to the ground and the last one can't play because a black cat crossed his path, causing him to break a mirror as he walked under a ladder?"
"hmm good point, sign 3 more strikers!"

Doesn't work does it, especially with limits on squad size. 5 is plenty.

Thorne

Haha Thorne.

Evans isn't really injury prone, Phil Jones only is because he goes into every challenge face first and doesn't give a monkeys.

Ozwald

It is more in David Moyes line to go and sort out the deal with Alcantra than looking for another centre half when we already have 5.

10 Jul 2013 17:44:23
PSV technical director Marcel Brands said: "Roma have contacted us to tell us that they are interested in Kevin Strootman.

"We have told Roma that Strootman is not for sale and only an important offer could convince us otherwise.

"In our opinion, Roma is the only club to be interested in Strootman, but they have made no offer. "
Jred

10 Jul 2013 14:39:03
Ed001 has said Bayern are likely to get Thiago over on the Barca page. Knew we wouldn't get a midfielder. AGAIN!

Dan

If Thiago would rather join a team smaller than utd, so be it. He would be a fool to join them over us. He could become a massive part of Utd's future. At Munich, he might just be a glorified squad player.


Samthered

Unless something has changed in the last 2-3 days then it's nonsense. MU are still hot favourites.

Sydney!

Really doesn't surprise me, the fact Chelsea, City, Madrid and Monaco were busy tying up deals to improve squads what exactly have we done? Apart from Moyes being on holiday. I have a feeling our lack of timing may have cost us again. We never learn I don't care what anyone says Moyes has to prove to us that we can still attract top players to take the squad to the next level. We have all spoken about what is needed the last 3-4 seasons, come season ticket time we are all linked with these world class players. Yet nothing ever seems to materialise, I hope I am proved wrong by Moyes but for me he has it all to do. Sorry for feeling pessimistic but as a long time fan it bemuses me what our transfer strategies actually are. Sorry but if we miss out on Thiago we will regret it as there are not many midfielders available at his price and quality. We should be doing everything to tie up these sorts of deals.
R3D Jay

I wouldn't worry, he is still more than likely to come here. He wants to join and his dad wants him to join (it seems). Negotiations are going on behind the scenes. Barca are notorious to deal with so that is why it will be taking so long - I still fully expect him to be a Manchester United player before long though.

Is it me or are all us fans getting increasingly worried that we have not named or going to name any transfer targets, I for one was glad to see moyes but I would have thought that we would have pushed hard to try and get some signings before we went on tour at least.

Hope you are right Sydney, just feels like we've been "Hot" favourites for a number of weeks now without any conclusion, I know deals can take time etc but it seems like we take it to the extreme on too many occasions.!

Mind, if Bayern were to get him, Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Goetze, Ribbery and Thiago, you wouldn't want to play them would you?!

Here's hoping but not as confident as a few weeks ago.

Charla

Charla, don't get me wrong, I will be severely disappointed if we miss out and I would hold the club responsible. I said weeks ago that for the sake of a couple million we should pay it to get the deal done. Dithering over a couple million when teams like BM, Chelsea, City, PSG etc are about is nothing short of brain dead.

Sydney!

What like we were likely to sign Lewandowski?

MEF

"Don`t be kidded by the lack of activity. "

"Take it from me, we are working hard behind the scenes to try and improve the squad. "

"The big thing is that Manchester United will always be in for the best players in the world. "

All quotes from David Moyes. Seriously folks, don't fret. I honestly think there are all sorts of things going on behind the scenes and that this could be the best summer United have had in years. Have faith.

I hope I'm not proven wrong, I guess we'll have to wait until September 1st to find out for sure.

Matt

10 Jul 2013 17:51:35
Well, well well. it had been nonsense all along as it is now past the point when if Thiago wanted us he would have been over and signed. why would'nt he?
Tales of a private jet arriving at Ringway for a medical were way wide of the mark.
Not the editors fault. too many dreamers. too much deliberate nonsense.
Even the Strootman "deal done" appears to be another false dawn.
Disappointed but old enough to know better. if we do not get a class midfielder we will win nowt.
Plain and simple.

Joe

BM have been interested in him for the last year though they have had gortze as there main target with thiago more as a back up option. utd are favorites for the Spaniard but utd are concentrating on solving player exits and rooney more than signing though I would expect thiago to sign within the next 7 days if not before if there hand is pushed from a rival bid from other top clubs after him including a italian team which I belive it be roma or inter though not 100% on which one. so I wouldn't see to much intrest from BM over them trying to sign him.

Agreed Syd, but I have the feeling Thiago has been waiting for his old boss Pep to take an interest. Personal terms are not yet agreed according to Graham Hunter, there were a few things to iron out as of yesterday. I can see Bayern coming in once we've done all the leg work in negotiating with Barca.

Dan

Yeah I feel thiago is more likely to go to Bayern now, it's typical at the way Utd's transfers go, linked with the very best and it seams we can't get them over the line. pep guardiola would have seen thiago's qualities when he was at barca and both would know each other very well and thiago's would most likely feel comfort in that.
The link with utd is dragging on far too long and I feel we will most likely loose out,
Hope I'm wrong,

SuperRed

Dan, Thiago spoke with Pep a month ago to discuss a move and nothing came of it. BM have remained interested from the start, but it's us he has been talking to. BM interest is not new. I think we could wrap this up tomorrow if we wanted to, it's just us pussyfooting around trying to safe 1-2 million. In most transfers that is understandable, but we are desperate for a Scholes replacement and we are already saving a fortune on him with this clause, so no excuses IMO.

Sydney!

Also Syd. Pep might have told him to take us for a ride until a price has been negotiated then let him come in to steal it with zero leg work for Bayern.

Dan

Hope you're right Syd, it's just if Pep plays his preferred 433 then Thiago could well be a regular. I've just bet on him going to Bayern as a way to temp fate for him to join us. Also it means I get something good out of each possible destination for the lad :)
He'll probably end up staying at Barca now lol.

Eds please come back, it's lonely here pointless here. There's Syd who has the occasional insightful comment but other than that its pub talk.

Dan

Syd, the minute we flew out for pre season tour I thought the deal was in trouble, you'd of thought it would of been sorted by then, I've Also read that he'll join the tour same time as de gea and we are allowing him a full holiday before the announcing etc, I personally don't believe that as de gea had the same before he signed


Dustbin

Dan, I am not sure it works like that mate. I think we are ironing out a few details and we should have him signed soon enough. Fingers and toes crossed mate ;)

Sydney!

Man Utd still faves to sign him! He's not went anywhere or signed anything, so simmer down! Panic, panic, panic as always. Moan about it if we don't get him not just because you've read a story and feel like you know for a fact where he is going.

Thiago turned down Real Madrid offer and he will become a Manchester United player soon just chill lol lb!

Everybody telling me to chill. Moura, Hazard, Sneijder, Silva. what reason have I got to chill!

Dan

Spanish radio saying he's chosen Bayern.

Dan

Totally agree Dan, looks like Bayern have beaten us to it!8- (
Who is the next alternative?Veratti, gaiten, cabaye, strootman, Marchisio?

SuperRed

Chill because rvp, kagawa, ddg, Jones.

This is dragging out because the lad is on holiday. As for the idea of Bayern saving themselves legwork, they don't work that way, they are German, they would rather do the work themselves 'cause they think they'll do a better job!

Kagawa, Jones and DDG were in the bag months before the transfer window opened and announced shortly after it opened. This one is a tug of war with Barca and Bayern and we don't win those nowadays for some reason. RVP is the exception. Mikel, Nasri. and probably more we don't know about (not that i'm bothered about either of them).

Dan

Martinez, Robben, Shiqiri, Gotze, Muller, Guztavo, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Ribery. then Thiago? 9 players in 5. then add another who would behind 5 or 6 of them?

Don't forget that he would want to leave Barca for 1st team football.

SB

I'm thinking he'd has chosen Bayern too. It was building this week ending in this report. Nothing confirmed yet so still some hope. If we do lose out, what are the alternatives?

Veratti would be next in line IMO. That's if the Thiago interest goes tits up.

Sydney!

Veratti won't come to united either though. Looks like we're stuck with Cleverley and Ando for another season.

Dan

Everton fan here. Moyes was always notorious for being a slow mover in the transfer market. His holiday always seemed to coincide with when other clubs were busy signing big players. He always preferred to wait until around deadline day by which time the best talent had gone and the new signings didn't have time to settle. He sometimes also left it too late and ran out of time so we didn't get anyone

10 Jul 2013 13:15:16
squad for tour, RVP and the Gea to follow

Goalkeepers: Anders Lindegaard, Ben Amos
Defenders: Rafael, Phil Jones, Rio Ferdinand, Jonny Evans, Patrice Evra, Alex B�ttner, Fabio, Michael Keane
Midfielders: Michael Carrick, Anderson, Tom Cleverley, Ryan Giggs, Wilfried Zaha, Jesse Lingard, Adnan Januzaj
Strikers: Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck

Vimto

Vidic is noteable by his abscence and the club have given no explanation, as they have for the other first team squad players not on the trip. Iv'e thought all along that should Garay be bought that Vidic would be the one to make way. AC Milan are supposedly interested but my bet would be Anzi especially now Rene is there.
Raffa

Where's Hernandez?

Chicharito's been given extra time off after the confed cup he will be training at carrington.

Well given the squad that has travelled and that this will be the squad for the 1st game I would like to see the following team:

Lindegaard, Raf, Jones, Evans, Fabio, Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Januzaj, Rooney, Zaha

For the 2nd game both De Gea and RVP will have joined up and both should play. Then we move onto japan and Kagawa joins the ranks. this is where it will be interesting to see if all 3 of RVP, Rooney & Kagawa play and where they play.

Hopefully we may also have Strootman & Thiago on board too.

Him and Kagawa have extra time off due to confederations cup, they will join up later.

Melwing28

At the Gold Cup?

RedMonkey

10 Jul 2013 15:06:22
Hernandez and Kagawa were given extra time off because of their participationin the confederations cup. The plan was for them to get an extra couple of weeks off then go to carrington to do fitness training and train with the under 21's until the first team get back. This is what Hernandez is going to do. But Kagawa has decided to meet up with the squad in Japan and try an impress the new boss.

Obviously Young, Smalling and Nani have knocks and are being left at home to recover, although I expect there are other reasons for leaving Nani at home.

Vidic is the odd exculsion.

Great to see Adnan Januzaj with the first team and I hope he gets a run of games in the premiership this year. For those who haven't seen him, the kid's a class act
PAULUSMAC

Agreed about Januzaj, seen him loads, great prospect. Also Keane did really well for Leicester on loan

Vimto

Vidic reportedly suffering from Sciatica and will join up later

Vidic off to Munich? Baines and Thiago will join up.

Why is nick powell not gone on the pre season tour?
Carlos the jackal

Really looking forward to seeing all our exciting new signings. oh wait.

10 Jul 2013 12:14:37
Barcalona spokesman Tony Freixa has confirmed Thiago will begin pre season training with the Catalans,

"We have the players we have and Thiago is one of them, "

"Pre-season with us begins as scheduled. "

I foresee another Hazard, Ozil, David Silva fiasco. Why let him go on pre season with Barca? It's not like we don't have £15 mil to spend. Especially when it looks like we are going to spend even more than that on a center back we don't even need! (Garay). Come on Moyes, sign this kid up!

HinkseyRed

Yes because that's how it works. we just send them 15 mill in an envelope and he signs on the dotted line. Its not a case of going into a shop and buying an item for said amount. There are so many other financial aspects to sort out and consider like VAT for example. Whoever is handling the negotiations is out to ensure any deal represents the best for both sides and that can take time. Be patient. Thiago training with the first team has no bearing on any potential deal. If he doesn't want to sign/move I highly doubt the negotiations would have dragged on for so long but at the end of the day if the deal is not what's best for Manchester United then they will walk away.

Stuey

James Milner was still training/ playing with Aston villa the day before he signed for city. Whilst there still under contract they can still play for the team.

Just because he has gone on tour it doesn't mean anything.

I however feel that if thiago doesn't sign this week, then he won't sign for us at all!

Like the Eds have said, a buy out clause is not simply pay and you get him. There are taxes etc so sort out on the clause and Barca can make things as difficult as they like for us to get him. Worst case scenario they could force Thiago to pay the buyout clause himself (which is what should legally happen) in which case he would have to pay income tax as well as VAT. I don't know how much income tax would be on £15m given to him by us but i'm guessing between 40-50%, potentially adding on over £7.5m to the total costs. What we are likely trying to do is come to a compromise where the club directly pay the buyout clause with a few million extra to appease Barca and get the process moving quickly so they can find a replacement and we get the player earlier. However, if Barca are only going to promote Sergi Roberto and not buy a replacement then they don't care how long it takes and could be as awkward as they want. Personally, I would pay over 20m for Thiago anyway but this is united and the Glazers, we are obviously determined to squeeze every penny of savings out even if it ends up costing us the deal.

Dan

Correct me if I am wrong. but he isn't reporting back until the 15th. and it's the 9th today?

SB

What is worrying me is that David Moyes has said, we are "trying" to do some business. Seems like Fergies old saying "we tried but. " when talking about Villa. Seems we are seen to be going for players, but we never seem to go ALL OUT to get them. Alexis Sanchez once said the reason he chose Barca was because of a personal call from Guardiola. Its that extra mile we don't seem to do. hence all of the players mentioned in the above post have slipped through the net.

Maybe it's because he's not coming. andog

I get the feeling the problem is not with Utd but the player. He might just be waiting to see who else decides to pay the release money.

Sambo, read Ferguson's autobiography. He do goes to the players house if necessary.
The thing is: Manchester is a "horrible" city if you compare to other big cities like Barcelona, Madrid. and even Rome and London.
We actually get the players that really want to play for us. other than that. it's almost a "leap of faith" every time.

Im not too worried about the comments coming from the barca hierahcy. They are probably self indulgent, like most aristocrats, and are thinking about how big their club is, and how great they are. I can see them trying to make the signing as difficult as possible. We've seen the mentality of barca's status quo evidenced before in their transfer activity, and it seems to be mostly about trying to upstage real madrid.
- Ibrahimovic in response to a real madrid spending spree - unecessary transfers like sanchez/fabregas/henry, all of whom played out of position. They could have simply taken pride in their youth, the lack of which, is ironically the reason thiago is now leaving. If manchester united want thiago at the end of the day, pay the taxes and the buyout fee. The player will no longer be a "bargin", but its still clearly a good investment.

- And that really is the greater concern. We might just be waiting for the dust to settle after unveiling a new manager, but, there is a worry that the glazers are increasingly gluing manchester united to an arsenal-esque transfer model.

United have not slowed down over the last 5 years mostly because of an incredible manager at this peak, and the unique longevity of key members of great generations, from the 90's and 2000's.

Our manager has now retired, and replacing iconic players in the modern game is not easy due to the inflation that oligarks are creating. (Even the academy is not a totally reliable solution. We are loosing players like morrision and pogba to the greed of market oppertunities. )

It really is important, that if high quality players are available at relatively good value, - they should be made priority. Haggling over small variances, is not only wasteful, its dangerous to the long term future of united. We can only hope the glazers can make these connections and understand that, even commercially, getting players like thiago signed is crucial.

redwolf

We are pi ing around as usual. Thiago will not be signed by us.
nomidfield

All these rumours. We are going to buy him no we are going to buy the other one. Medical booked for weekend. Well we go ontour and who has come. No one. Did you not read what our new ceo said "We do not need any major signings maybe a little tinkering here and there". Another squeeze by our beloved owners. Did Gill and Fergie know something. Who is the best manager to get who has managed on a virtuall zero budget. Yes its starting to make sense isn't it

I washed David Peggs car