Manchester United Rumours Archive September 10 2012

10 Sep 2012 17:41:45
How about rooney out for £50m and lewandowski in for £20m.. We'll be making 30m there with a big wage cut as lewandowski won't demand as much wages. With that money, we can get a very good and the much needed central midfielder.

Are you for real . Some real stupid fans out there ! Sorry ed but these Rooney haters are getting on my bristols . They know anything about class players. Wazza has a slight dip and the papers create twaddle and they jump on the bandwagon . Clowns - as for lewandowski , he's about average no more . Just cause he's younger we should look to swop him. Lol I have a nephew who is 3 and a half . He can kick with his right very powerfully . Should we not bring him in if were picking players purely on age . Shandy ! - Manchester - centre of the universe ! {Ed007's Note - Don't worry about it Shandy. I am a big fan of Rooney, just watch the quick back-tracking by some people when he comes back and hits form. Fickle fickle.}

Yeah and while were at it we can sell swap Nani and Young for Ronaldo and Cleverley and Anderson for Xavi!

Hoppy

Getting Ronni and getting Xavi are a little different Hoppy. We have a small chance of getting Ronni but 0 chance of Xavi don't compare the two.

No united supporter would ever suggest selling Rooney. What an person. The only way lewandowski comes is if either hernandez or welbeck leave. -kg

No just no thanks

Rooney is a top player but he is overrated,always has been.If someone bid £50m i'd bite their hands off.He kept scoring last season but his performances,especially his passing were not up to standard.Cant moan too much though because he's a striker and he kept scoring!!

10 Sep 2012 15:29:41
ronaldo won't leave madrid, if he can't have 500,000 at real is he going to come here and get it, no chance, he's just copying what rooney did, spat dummy out because he wants more money.

We pay Rooney more then real pay Ronney !

Its not about the money at all its respect and the lack that was shown to him on a personal matter

10 Sep 2012 14:04:05
Real Madrid and Ronaldo are going to release a joint statement today confirming both club and player are happy and Ronaldo will not be leaving.
In my eyes this statement means nothing and how many times did he say he was happy and staying at United while all along he was gearing a move to Madrid.
I really hope Ronaldo turns round and throws it all back in Madrid's face (kinda justice for years of treating other clubs and players like in their transfer dealings)

Chris!

Wonder if he's going to use his favoured
"only god know" speach.

Warrington red

Chris, wake up lad. Ronaldo is haggling over a new RM contract. Nothing more, nothing less. Do not be roped into thinking he genuinely wants to leave, he doesn't.

Sydney!

What ever happens now is pointless all tht matters is the situation on January 1st when we actually have an opportunity of buying him if he even wanted to return.

I agree wit chris maybe syd has an opinion but it does not come across like that it comes across as if he can't be wrong slightly arrogant about other posters opinions. I have said this before he seems genuine enough an some of his posts are good but it really annoys me how he tries to put fellow posters down ....... Oh others do it too you know who you are an ill be watching....

CAIN

Chris, I have no sources inside OT whatsoever and I have never pretended to have sources. I have made that clear on numerous occasions throughout the years that I have been posting on here. If I copy & paste anything I will put it into quotes, I have never copied something and changed the words, feel free to prove this at any time? I will not hold my breath though.

I put my neck on the line and make predictions based on what I read in the media via quotes from managers, players or agents, I use my common sense and I know which journalists to listen to and what editors to listen to on here. The same journalists who said Hazard had been shown around OT (which was true), the same journalists that said Baines, Moura & RVP were the manager's targets before SSN reported the interest.

As for getting a job, I work 6am-9am Monday-Saturday. So I know how you feel about getting up at 6am, although I only have to work for three hours a day so I am rarely tired unlike yourself. Working for 18 hours a week means I have plenty of time to post on here. With the kids at school and the missus at work I have plenty of time to kick about on here. As for a social life, I go out most Saturdays and have plenty of friends, don't see many of them anymore due to family life getting in the way, but that's what happens when you grow up.

For a lot of the summer Baines was nailed on to joining United, but the club were quoted silly prices by Everton and with City buying Rodwell Everton were under no pressure to sell him. In the end we have had to settle for another season of Evra's mistakes. Sadly there isn't a mass of decent LB's out there and we decided to go for an understudy for Evra instead. I hope Buttner gets a look in quick and I hope he impresses the boss. I do not mind getting some predictions wrong, but I like to think I get most right than wrong.

I didn't mean to upset you Chris, but I find it amazing that people cannot see what Ronaldo is doing.

Sydney!

The only way we will buy Ronnie back is if one of two things happen:

1 - we sell the name of Old Trafford

2- we somehow manage to get rid of Rooney as part of a deal or before a deal to sign Ronaldo.

Rooney is unlikely to want to go anywhere, so we would have to force him out and he isn't good enough for Madrid or Barcelona. That leaves City, Chelski, PSG and the Russians, maybe China at a real push. As it currently stands, but a lot can change with these Billionaires as we all know - maybe Roman may come knocking next season.

I'd be amazed if City went for him now, PSG are covered and I can't quite see Roonski settling in Moscow, it would be like watching a ghost out there in the winter! So it would have to be a new "Oil" team, Chelski or QPR!

The ideal move would be part exchange with Madrid, but I think his performances and inability to regain match fitness quickly wouldn't attract the same interest as he had when he was playing silly buggers a couple of years ago.

I don't think we will get Ronnie back, but I do think we will manage to shift Rooney - especially as he is going to be playing second fiddle to RVP.

I know a lot of people disagree with my opinions on Rooney - but I am very confident he will continue his current decline. Thank God Fergie saw this and acquired RVP for the next couple of years, as the unmasking takes place of Rooney's importance to our team.

Sween

I would add Modric to the list of main targets Syd. I think he was a higher priority than all the others.

I hear you sydney......

at the end of the day ronaldo is obviously pissed at the fact hes something like 10th in the top 10 footballers paid to date, and the players sitting above him on that list sure as hell dont deserve to be earning more than him based on how good he is...........

he lost european player of the year to iniesta which was a joke considering what ronaldo achieved last year for madrid (i think the decision was based on spain winning the euros which shouldnt have been the case over a competion that lasted roughly 8 weekd)....

so thats another reason why he is probably pissed off.......

the guy has every right to be annoyed, although fair enough he may not want to admit it as being for money reasons, but professional reasons which are very very similar in my opinion.....

and with spain going into a dark era financially with something like 50% tax deductions on their wages thats another big blow to deal with......

spanish football is going to decline in my opinion on a financial point of view and we could well see a lot of top players from there making moves to the likes of russia which we have already seen due to the pay they are being offered...

all hes trying to do is get a better contract end of........

lets be honest, who in their right mind would leave their boy hood supported club, sunny climate and the currently strongest team in the world to come back to manchester.....makes absolutely no sense, none at all.....

i wud absolutely love him to come back, but theres no chance of it happening especially the fact that fergie will be carrying on at the helm for much longer (and that would have been the only thing that in my mind would have drawn him to come back to OT)........

we can always dream but im afraid thats all we can do.......

Robbo

No name, true, but I do think he was quickly out of the loop when he made it clear he wanted to move to RM and Spurs wanted £40m from an English club.

Cain, I come across that way, but I am genuinely not an arrogant person. Perhaps I should use a little more smileys and LOL's in my posts ;)

Sydney!

Fair point I agree Robbo he does deserve a better contract as well. But I disagree that Iiesta didn't deserve the player of the year because in my eyes he is no worse than Messi or Ronaldo but because he plays deeper and isn't his teams goal scorer then he doesn't get mentioned as much as they do. We should do all we can to get CR7 back but he is at his boyhood club and I don't think he will come back. With the amount of commercial revenue he would generate and what he would add to our team (remember there another round in the CL, one place up the table can mean £10m extra for each) then £100m would still be worth it. I'm betting Nike would also be willing to pay a chunk of the transfer. He could probably shave 50m off his price tag in one season let alone the 3 or 4 seasons he would be playing for us.

Dan

Sydney,

You say you use quotes from managers and players which is fair enough and your saying Ronaldo is haggling for a new contract well here's a quote from Ronaldo:

"That I am sad and have expressed this sadness has created a huge stir. I am accused of wanting more money, but one day it will be shown that this is not the case."

I'm not questioning how you come to your opinions/theories but here's a quote from the lad that may suggest your opinion is way off? I'm not saying your wrong and I'm not saying your right but if you can stick your neck out with views then so can everyone else from what they read/hear etc.

I think there could be more substance to this story then you may think and it may end in nothing but don't be surprised if this is a deal that comes off!

Ports

Ports, I do not believe everything managers, players and agents say. They will have other agendas and it's about weighing up what's credible and what's not. You may be one of the fans who thinks Ronny coming home in the summer is going to happen, but my brain overrules my heart on this one and I cannot see anything other than a contract stunt.

Sydney!

Sydney,

Like I said, I believe there is more substance then you may think, whether it happens or not is another thing but my point is, I don't believe Ronaldo is as money obsessed as you think he is, I think his drive/hunger, obsession is to become the greatest player in the world, something he achieved at United. His dream was to play for RM and you can't deny him that and I expect he felt that move would elevate him to the greatest player of his generation.

He sighted "professional" reasons for his sadness, not personal. Wouldn't this "strop" for more money been more effective whilst the transfer window was open to generate bids from PSG and City and RM having to offer him a larger contract to keep him out of other's clutches? But he waited til the window was shut!

You've said before we can afford him so why can't this move happen?

Ports

The reason he waited for the window to close before his tantrum was so RM wouldn't sell him. He has no intention of leaving RM, just wants a bigger contract and both Mendes and Perez are playing hardball.

Earlier a fan said we couldn't afford Ronaldo, he meant it literally which isn't true. We could afford Ronaldo theoretically, but there is no way a) the club would meet RM's asking price and b) Ronaldo's wage demands.

Please do not tell me he would lower his demands for us because that is just nonsense. Ronaldo isn't completely motivated by money, but he wouldn't join us for lower wages than he could get at RM.

Sydney!

Quote Ronaldo: people are saying I just want more money but "one day this will be proven not to be true". What do you think he means by that then Sydney?

I think it is him answering his critics that say this tantrum is money motivated. What can he really say other than that? He cannot be honest and say that he is greedy and he cannot criticise RM in any way, so this is a way of him putting it off for a while until he gets his pay hike and he is happy again.

Sydney!

So basically what you are saying is had he done this whilst the window was open then RM would have sold him but now it's shut they'll offer him a new bumper contract?

If it was about a new bumper contract then he would of been better doing it during the window to force RM to offer him a contract to end people's interest, he has 3 years left on his contract so if RM had said, right we'll sell you, he wouldn't of had to go if he has no intention on leaving, much like Nani. What would RM do then? Keep him on the bench?

What's his demands then? He'd come in at the same level, if not higher as Rooney with the same, if not more bonuses as you explained to one poster earlier, add the CR7 brand to United's world wide market, Nike would support the move as they sponsor us as well as him. Is this not enough? Was his move to RM money motivated or for his dream? Had it been money then he wouldn't of stayed that extra season with us.

Why wouldn't the club meet RM's asking price? Some people suggest United didn't spend all there transfer kitty this season, you being one I believe, so add this to next summers, and with potential flotations or whatever else, Glazer's are business men, Ronaldo would pay back his Transfer through shirt sales and merchandise as well as club success, there are plenty of reasons to suggest this transfer could happen!

Why wouldn't the club meet the asking price if theoretically we can afford it? The Glazer's are business men and they know the worth of the CR7 brand on United shirts and merchandise!

Ports

What I am saying is if Ronaldo had his tantrum whilst the window was open, HE would have been worried about RM calling his bluff and accepting a big offer for him. Something HE doesn't want.

Sydney!

Ronaldo would not bring in more cash for shirt sales Ports mate. Nike will receive more money if more shirts are sold, but we get a set amount from Nike in the form of £25.1m every season.

Also I am not sure you are aware just how large Ronaldo's salary is and was before the Spanish tax went from 24% up to 54%. He had no choice but to leave in 2009 or he would have missed the deadline.

Sydney!

Ronaldo's salary in his first season at RM was £183k a week (net), which means we would have had to pay him £366k a week just to equal that amount. This amount would rise 25% every season until his 6th and final year where he could earn £556k a week. This is now effected by the Spanish tax law which means he will lose a lot of cash. Strong sources in Spain believe this is why he wants a rumoured £500k a week. I tend to go along with this.

Sydney!

I find it amazing that his contract didn't contain a clause in it which said his pay was net for the remaining 5 years of his contract and only the first year. That is ridiculous as surely his agent and other advisers (tax etc), would have said that due to the global recession there is a strong chance that governments in weaker EU economies like Spain would potentially hike their taxes! It makes no sense whatsoever that they negotiated this for the year they knew the tax rate for and took a chance on somehting that could only possibly get worse.

Are you sure that his contract isn't based on net figures Sydney for the whole 6 years or are you just best guessing?

I don't know but it seems farsical if they had already identified the issue for the first year.

Sween

Sween, Spanish clubs knew that in 2010 the Spanish tax rate was due to rise considerably, but any overseas player who signed a contract by the summer of 2009 would only have to pay 24.75% tax for the length of their contracts. With RM and Ronaldo now in talks regarding a new contract, the new contract would mean Ronaldo must now pay 52% tax which is why he is asking for more money so his net amount is higher. Perez is playing hardball and all we are seeing is the run of the mill contract negotiation. A player trying to get as much cash as possible and a club trying to pay as little as possible. This may drag on.

Sydney!

Syd, the tax hike in Spain only counts for new contracts signed bizzarly his existing contract will still be on the old tax rate it will only be when he signs a new contract (which he will im sure) that he will be paying 50%.

Andy B

Andy B, I know that bud. That is why he wants a king's ransom for his next deal as more than half will be going to the Spanish government.

Sydney!

Nice one Syd.

Maybe Ronaldo is looking for a pre-contract - contract then. A legal agreement that when his 6 year deal expires he gets an automatic better deal taking into account the tax hike, but his current contract still applies until that point. This will protect the club from losing him for nothing and will mean he gets to cream it for the next few years and get a better deal when the 6 years are up.

This will be why Madrid are playing hardball then, as surely he can't expect them to foot the bill for the extra tax now and it might not be possible to do what I am suggesting, greed if that's the case as it is nothing to do with Madrd what the Spanish government are taxing it's citizens.

Be interesting to see what happens.

Sween

10 Sep 2012 08:44:18
Utd will not resign Ronaldo,couldnt afford him plus we need to work on the midfield.I would love to see him back but think its unrealistic.Hope im wrong.

Quinner99

Manchester United CAN afford Ronaldo, but it would be naive to think we would spend that sort of cash on him when we could buy 2-3 top quality players who are younger and cover more positions. The club could have signed Hazard, Martinez & Baines for the amount Ronaldo would cost. So it's not a case of could we afford him, it's a case of whether it's likely and IMO it's highly unlikely we would. He will sign a new deal with RM by Christmas and will stay there for a few more years.

Sydney!

I would have to agree with you Sydney

It probably also depends a lot on whether Nani leaves or not.

10 Sep 2012 05:51:26
Assuming that llorente would welcome a move to old trafford what you guys think

llorente for hernandez/welbeck

Victor J.

Stupid post, Llorente is older and is not experience in the premier league, why would we swap one of the best young strikers right now for a player who is the same age as RVP.

-JakeW

If we sign a striker in the summer I think it's nailed on to be Lewandowski for around £15m.

Sydney!

As Llorente is BETTER than Welbeck and Hernandez. Not a stupid post at all.

And he is 27 not 29 (RVP's)

Halesini

JakeW

None of the teams in the world were associated with best young strikers in the world!

They are good but not world beaters yet.
There are lot of young strikers which commands fees above 20m pound eg jovetic, schurle, neymar and for a reason.

And I think man of senses should not be bothered to reply to stupid posts.

Victor J.

That is very bad business for our club. We will not be signing a striker next summer as there are other areas that needs to be addressed. I would think we would be spending serious money on two great midfielders and probably a world class cb. Shahram

09 Sep 2012 23:37:43
Wasn't there a buy back deal or some kind of thing set up that we get first dips on him....
I'm sure I remember hearing we can get him back for the same as they payed...?
Can someone correct me plz lol....
Cheers

BowlDonBowl

I remember something along these lines, if Madrid ever decide to sell him we will get him back for the £80m we paid I think

His release clause is £795mil.
Unless we get him in his last year, we won't get him for what we sold him for.

The buy-back clause was already implemented before his release clause was so we would be able to get him back for what we paid if in fact it actually in the agreement

ALDUtd