Manchester United Rumours Archive November 12 2012

12 Nov 2012 15:37:54
heard there was a manutd scout at fc porto yesterday to watch rodriguez, he scored in 2-1 win over academica.

We have had a scout at Porto a few times this season I believe I think it is after the summer we had and reportedly had a bid rejected for him that we are watching very closely to see if he could actually be worth all the money mentioned which i think he is

If we had �32m to buy hazzard/moura then in sure this lad is up there with those 2 so i do believe these rumours are true. We are getting exposed down our left hand side and a player like rodriguez would stop full backs bombing forward so often. Plus the fact he scores and creates goals unlike nani/young this year. {Ed002's Note -Manchester UNited made no offer to buy Hazard and offered less than �32M for Moura. The offer made in the summer for Rodriguez rejected but Manchester Unitied are aware of what he is valued at by Porto.}

According to a red top we have watched him 7 times this season, who knows maybe its not made up

Pardoe

I think he'll be a good buy at 20m but he's not 35-40m that his club rate him as, plus wingers are not the most pressing issue at the club at this moment. We need central midfielders, especially an enforcer aka Wanyama. We also need a Scholes replacement aka Eriksen. Carrick is our only really good midfielder -Scholes and Giggs are too old, Anderson has serious stamina and weight issues, Fletcher has an illness and though he gives 100% effort has never been top class and Cleverley is massively over-rated, a mid table level player at best. Of course Wayne Rooney can do a top job in midfield, but the idea of a Rooney/RVP partnership sounds and will be devastating. Kagawa is a top player, but is really someone who plays in the hole and not a general midfielder, he looks far weaker playing deeper.Wanyama for 15 -18m and Eriksen for 23 -25million would not only refresh our team, it would make them bloody great again . Once we get all of our defenders fit, we need a shield to protect it -enter big Vic Wanyama. if we don't buy him soon, City, Chelsea or a top team from a foreign league will. By the time he's 25 he'll be a 30-40m player.It's not wingers or center backs we need, but replacements for Keane and Scholes.
Mik

Why is ed002 saying that man utd never made an offer to buy hazard
when it was down to chelsea and man utd for hazard to choose for .
hazard's agent clearly stated that a bid has been made by all three parties(united,city,chelsea) and is hazard's decision to choose. he almost signed for united before his changed his mind after talking to abrahimovich and the fact that chelsea won the Champions league.
hazard himself stated that he had talked to both SAF and abrahimovich before making his final decision {Ed002's Note - You are a long way wide of the mark - Manchester United never made an offer to Lille for Hazard.}

I hate to disagree with you ed002 but have look at this
I've always said I wanted to play in England. There was a struggle between Chelsea and United, but according to me Chelsea has the best project,� Hazard said.
I was in advanced contact with both clubs and I spoke to both coaches. I want to be playing in the Champions League every year.
When they won the Champions League, I told myself: 'Why not Chelsea?' The team is young and I have a better chance to play there.
"At 21, Real Madrid or Barcelona would have been more difficult for me. If I play well enough at Chelsea, I could win my place in the starting team and my priority is to play.� {Ed002's Note - Right - so where does it say that Manchester United made an offer to Lille for the player? I made the situation perfectly clear at the time.}

Ed002 am I correct in thinking that the fee for Hazard was a secondary agreement and that the deal was only negotiated with said club once Hazard had made his decision?

TK-Red {Ed002's Note - Briefly, what happened was that Hazard's agent had spoken with both Manchester club, Chelsea and PSG. There were packages discussed and these were relayed to the player. Hazard was then given permission by Lille to talk himself with representatives of the various clubs. Chelsea had spoken with Lille already and had agreed in principle to pay the required fee (actually it was slightly lower) for the player but critically one person from Chelsea had to agree to the move before it could go ahead. He had significant reservations regarding the attitude of the player, his constant use of social media and his making statements to the press & other media. After speaking directly to the player and being given assurances that this would stop, he agreed to the move going ahead. It was then a case of completing the transfer (payment, registration etc.).}

Thanks Ed.

TK-Red

12 Nov 2012 01:18:21
dont get why people have disagreed with my ramos coments he would be perfect for us.my case for ramos in 1. hes got bags of talent and pace 2.big game expirence with madrid 3.jose would sell to us 4.hes unsetled by back room isues with board members 5.a consistant part of the spain team that won euros and world cup. any player with those credentials is man utd quality some people may prefer subotic or hummels neither have ramos c.v and could both may flop next year ramos has been quality since getting in madrid squad over 5 years ago.

jwberry

Ramos is not a quality centre back in my eyes.... He is a far better right back. If we had to take a central defender from La Liga I'd take Pepe I like his ruthlessness and I think he is ridiculously under rated. Hummels flop? Are you kidding he is the first choice Germany centre back and he has had 2 years of being utter class plus he is only 23. He is immense on the ball and can pass like a midfielder. There is plenty of centre backs out there who I think we should be looking at as I think Smalling has his place sealed so his partner could be Papadopolous, Hummels, Ogbonna, Subotic, Pepe, Benatia, and there is always players that come from nowhere that turn out class.... Imo we need a no nosense defender thats why I would take either Papadopolous, Pepe or Ogbonna.

True but i can't see ferguson spending huge amounts for ramos unless we offload one of our defenders.

He does have a bit of a hot head and gets sent off slot tho. Still he is a top class def with pace which is what we need

Hes a class defender but would cost 20mill plus, can play right bk or cb, hot headed but does score alot of goals for a defender would love to see him at old trafford

So what's gonna happen with Jones then? is he not going to be playing centre half?

Hummels wlll be great. Jones will never be a good cb. Gets caught out far too often and is injured all the time.
NoMidfield

Forget these guys and buy Varrane. He is going to be better than all of the above.

Shahram

We really dont need a center back no matter how good he is ok the defence has been leaking goals no vidic no smalling no jones vidic is still a bit ahead of all the above and jones can become the best center half in world football ahead of the lot plus we have to very good young players comin through why waste money on a center half when we are crying out for at least two midfielders one to replace scholes and one to fill the dmc position i would like wanyama and wilshere much more than any new center back

Because Ramos is overrated as a centre-back. If we spend big on a centre-back it should be Mats Hummels.

I think Ramos will be playing for Chelsea next year.

studs

Ramos is a poser

12 Nov 2012 21:25:07
When our main center -backs return, our main problem will be someone to act as a midfield shield and enforcer. Wanayma fits the bill to a tee. We need to shield the ball further up the field when possible. We are letting in goals because of an unsettled, ever changing back 4 and a weak defensive midfield. Carrick, who I rate and Scholes, who I love but is frankly past it, are not mobile enough to defend and still play attacking passes. In fact the once wonderful Paul Scholes never has been a strong defensive player. So Hummels, Subotic and the Bologna center back are excellent center backs, but we just don't need them. It's midfielders we need, we have never replaced Keane and Scholes and frankly Cleverley and Fletcher will never be world class, plus Anderson won't unless he gets his stamina and fitness together. I'd sell Young whose crap and buy wanyama and Eriksen. They would put us back to our best. On an interesting side note, the most maligned Nani has more assists to his name -48 in the EPL than Scholes 45, Beckham 44, Ronaldo 46 or RVP 46. Giggsy is the only player to have over 100 premier league assists he has 126,Wazza has 69 ( from http://www.statbunker.com/football/ktg/index.php?PL=ktgalltime&Code=EPL&statType=assist)
Mik