Manchester United Rumours Archive April 13 2012

13 Apr 2012 22:22:04
Anyone know if there are plans in place to extend uniteds stadium? I heard there gonna run the train line under the newly extended Wing?

Heard a few months ago that United were in the process of buying up land around Old Trafford. Not sure which land exactly or for what purpose.
I think the railway line has in the past been a difficult obsticle to get around so relaying the line seems a likely solution.
I hope so.

I've been told that we're trying to purchase a number of houses behind the South Stand, and then (as the poster above says) build the extension above the railway line.

The one reason this is not being fast forwarded is because there is one house, where the man refuses to sell it as he 'listens to the game from his garden'....what a person lol.

MPez

Negotiations are ongoing with up to 8 houses

Red Man

To build over the railway line would be a major feat of engineering. The line is multiple track and carries the West Coast Mainline, a key line not only in the Uk but the European rail network. Line closures would not only be at a premium but would have to be agreed and booked years in advance.
These rail lines would most likely have to be spanned in one go (as there does not appear to be space for intermediate supports) which would further complicate the design and construction.
I have heard on the grapevine that any development may incorporate a railway station and a hotel.
I would love to know which company are proposing/advising United on this scheme and how they are remaining so quiet about it!
If anyone knows I would be extremely interested as I would love to be involved in the final design! (At my age the dream of playing for united is over but to be involved in the extension of the ground over the railway i could at least lay claim to be a mini legend!)

13 Apr 2012 20:11:28
Right, this is a bit of a wild one, but is anyone hoping that Spurs miss out on the top 4 so we can have a look at Bale and Modric? Those two would be a perfect selection to replace Scholes and Giggs. No doubt interest in both men would be there, and realistically if we got a bid accepted, would they turn us down? I doubt it.

I prefer hazard and martinez, bale is not godd enough and modric is not getting any younger

God, i hope not.
Fingers crossed Spurs make the CL.

I talk 2 a spurs fans and they will tell this,bale is great with the ball terrible without itlazy and wont track back same with modric,could fregie change with bale yes, with modric doubtful,lets go for young quality players such as hazard martinez llorente etc.

Bale is great is great in fits and starts but modric is mediocre the modernity of the time.hes no scholes,he's no genius and never will be.

13 Apr 2012 18:18:36
i'm one of those who is "trashing" gaitan as you put it. Firstly i don't think the guy is quite good enough. Is he as good as or better than valencia, nani or young? No, no and maybe. Is that enough reason to buy him. No. Also some people have said we shouldn't question fergie on transfers. Really? So we should blindly follow and think every purchase is good. So veron, berbatov, kleberson, oberton, djemba etc should all be ignored? Third. Is there better options? Yes. So are we buying him because he's the cheaper option. Lastly i do think the involvement of mendes as agent is a bad thing. Just look at the money wasted on bebe. Who benefitted out of that deal cos the club certainly didn't.

Just tell me, how many times have you seen him play?? You will never be happy, if we sign him it's because we have scouted him thoroughly and the amounts being mentioned, he is hardly the cheap option. If we spend money on him we are overspending, if we don't spend then the glazers aren't giving us any money. Why not give him a season (if he signs) and if he's rubbish (which I'm sure he won't be) come on here and say I told you so, but I am guessing with a couple of good performances you will be saying he is 'united claas'.

GDS

Finally someone who echos my points. Iv been getting slated for pointing out the obvious. Like u said we have our own opinion and gaiten will add nothing to our play. There are so many options that are much better and saf and the club have no excuses not to buy top players because it's not gona wash any more. {Ed007's Note - It's always nice to agree with yourself ;-)

Nice one ed

GDS i've seen all 6 champions league group games Benfica played in, both legs againt Chelsea and games against both Porto and Sporting. He never impressed me.

I think there are better options out there for example James Rodriguez, who has stood out every game i've seen him in.

I just don;t get why people are saying we should trust in the scouts and fergie blindly like they haven't cocked up before and i am highly concerned that mendes is the agent because virtually every other player we have signed that he has been involved in hasn't turned out to be that good a signing:

Bebe was a total waste of money.
Anderson: 1 good season and since then its been nothing but injuries, bad form and weight issues.
Nani: Flashes of brilliance but too often goes missing.

We've given Nani & Anderson 4 years now and a lot of fans oatience is running out.

Gaitan may well come in and have a brilliant first season, if he does then i'll hold my hands up, but given the option i'd look elsewhere.

Bond thats a bit naughty...

Ed ha ha I forgot to put my name down.

Abs

Absolutely spot on.
tbh I dont think we will sign gaitan bt the mendes involvement is worrying.
I understand and agree with the people on here saying we should back fergie and whoever he signs but anybody who would be happy to get gaitan and watch the likes of
martinez,hazard,mvilla,eriksen go elsewhere is clueless imo
surely a creative and ball winning midfielders are our priorities followed by a left back and a physical striker NOT another winger who imo wont add much to what weve already got

baby faced assasin

Gaitan is better than Young more consistant than Nani and has as much potential as Valencia had when we signed him if not more and he is left footed which we desperately need. You say about the rubbish that we've signed through Mendes but Anderson was one of the highest rated youngsters at the time and only injury has held him back and Nani has been class for us at times. Bebe was a dud but you didn't mention Ronaldo for some reason, he turned out pretty good. I think a good relationship with an agent is a good thing if it means we get the players that Sir Alex wants.

Shappy

Hmm,
Nani, our player of the season last season. Yeah, really dodgy buy.
Berbs, one of the most clinical players we have, oozes class and brings a level of technique to the team that nobody else can. An awful buy.
Every manager makes bad purchases. Fergie's clearly had miles more hits than misses, but still people think they know best.
Anderson was a great little player when we bought him, injury and playing him as a CM/DM have stiffled him somewhat.
None of them are donkeys or bad buys.

Bebe....hmmm. a good argument for "try-before-u-buy". But you can't scoop Ronaldo's everytime you dip into the transfer market.

I bet Fergies bought 4 or 5 good players to every iffy one he's signed.

Same IP Ed? Funny if it was!

Shappy, it made me laugh as well that he didn't mention Ronaldo.

OP, why did you watch all 6 Benfica champions league games, 4 were on at the same time as United, I am guessing you did not go back and watch them all, just a thought.

Also, if you watched United in Europe this season would you say Rooney was good enough? Gaitain got 6 assists (I think) in the group stages, I am not sure what more you need to impress you!

GDS {Ed007's Note - It's obvious lol Even look at the writing style.}

Shappy Ronaldo stood out thugh as a player to sign and even he was inconsistant for 3 years whilst he adapted.

Anderson was highly rated and yes injuries have held him back, but is he worth having in the squad?

Nani has been class at times, but anyone we sign this summer its Nani that loses out, he's the most vulnerable. He's best on the right but Valencia is first choice there and Young could do a good job there. On the left well gaitan would be first choice there, so what we supposed to drop Nani to the bench for most of the season, not sure he'd like that.

Better than Young, yes i'm sure he is wide left, however i think Young is wasted wide left he should cover Valencia on the right or play behind Rooney like they do for England, we've seen how that works.

More consistant then Nani, well thats not exactly a challenge is it.

I agree we need a left footer, but again i say James Rodriguez is better than Gaitan.

Lastly i have my concerns about managers getting to cosy with agents, it ends up leading to deals like the Bebe deal. Supposedly paid 7 million, then find out half that went to agents. Its all a little bit George Graham to me.

Shappy u only one here who talks Sence people watch a player play a few games and judge him and talk rubbish he is better than nani and young and I think at 23 has way more potential than Valencia who dnt get me wrong best out an out winger in world ATM but gaitan is special most techniquel winger out there his eye for a pass is far greater than all our wingers but if he signed web he lights the stands up at old Trafford all these people who think they can scout and purchase better players than fergie and his team will say aww he is amazing blah blah blah it's kinda pathetic all these football manager football fans we got

I have to go against the tide and say I agree with the general point of the OP. If we sign Gaitan AND someone else in an attacking sense then so be it but if Gaitan is our "star signing" I will be slightly disappointed. If Ive said it once Ive said it a thousand times but Gaitan is technically a good player and a very neat player but I would prefer to see a player with more pace, penetration and trickery. Some capable of a turn of pace or a moment of magic. Im not 100% sure Gaitan is that man. With the risk of repeating myself Gaitan only seems to impress 5 games out of 10 where as someone like Hazard (yawn, I know) impresses me atleast 8 out of 10.

TK-Red

TK thats my point, if it were say Gaitan and another player, preferably someone more central then fair enough, but if its just gaitan and he's hailed as the missing link then i'll be disappointed.

Gaitan is a class act he is very similar to david silva of man shi##y goes past people very easy and scores goals from midfield which we desperately need .He was class against us !

I too prefer James Rodriguez but at the end of the day i'm a barber not a football talent scout and unless you are then you may just have to concede that the people employed by the club may well be better placed to judge players than yourself. They have actually gone to the games to judge these players rather than just watch them in tv, they know what characteristics to look out for in players and can watch their off the ball and then be better placed to.judge their off the ball movement and work rate and other things that they're looking for in a new signing. We all like to think we judge a good player and that were good at it, I too am guilty of it but ultimately if we were that good someone would employ us to do it.

You say he's no better than what we have but would put him in the team ahead of Young and Nani so clearly you do.feel he is better than what we have he just isn't the "big name" player you'd like to see.

As for having a player who is all about speed and penetration on the left, isn't that what we have in Valencia on the right? Do we need two similar players in the same team? Or wouldn't it be better to have someone who offers something differant in the team to add variation to our play? I think so that why if the club feel Gaitan is the player to come in and he does then i'll be very happy and support him even though he isn't my first choice as I except that people within the club are better.placed to do and know what and who is best for the club.

Shappy

If Gaitan is our 'Marquee" signing I will feel disappointed in that another opportunity has been lost. And we face another year when European glory is but a dream. IMO we have two world class players, Vidic and Rooney. Will Rooney be content to shoulder the attacking burden for another year? Hate to say it, but look at the expectations on our rivals' sites. Our expectations are a lot lower!

Maybe our fans are more realistic to what we can get atm due to lack of money. If you pop over to the liverpool page you can see that they have alot of delusional fans talking about players like Ozil and such coming to join a team going backwards and can offer nothing more than Europa league and mid table obscurity. If thats what you want why not surgest having a punt for Messi Xavi Ozil Benzema and Lahm? i'd think thats because your not a delusional fool and can see reality, and if your honest you know we either can't afford these players or persuade them to leave their current clubs. Hazard and Eriksen would both see us as a stepping stone for a move to one of the big two in spain as both have said thats where they ultimately wanna play, so do we bring them in build them into our team then a few years down the line have our team ripped apart like when Ronaldo left? We are not Real Madrid and we don't sign Galactico's we sign good young players with potential and we make them into great players and you don't always have to sign the obviously talented players in order to be successful at it.

Shappy

Expectations are higher with our rivals?
How so?
They may have higher expectations in the transfer market, but thats hardly surprising given how much more money other clubs have.
I beg to differ if you think that our rivals have higher expectations when it comes to success.
City and Chelsea will out spend everyone this summer, so don't go getting your hopes up that we will try and match them. Spending stupid sums of money guarentees you nothing.
Think thats pretty evident looking at the league table.

I don't think city and Chelsea will be spending vast sums (not unless they bring large amounts of cash in from player sales first) simply because of FFP Regs. Just look at the January transfer market and how quiet it was (the lowest amount spent yet).

I genuinely think (and certainly hope!) that FFP will continue to have an impact, which will be good for us as we'll become more competitive in the transfer market and the wild excesses of our rivals will be curbed.

Just my opinion of course. I also hope and expect that FFP will bring some sanity to transfer fees and players wages, which again would work in our favour.

Red Rob

You disrespectful twerp! Stop questioning Sir Alex Ferguson and get back to your hazy 'reality' where your opinions hold any weight.

I would not rely on FFP rules making a difference until we know whether Uefa have the ability to carry out the sanctions.

Wait until they are tested , will it just be a fine or an exclusion from a competition. Have Uefa got the guts to exclude a Chelsea or City? Then lets see whether someone like Chelsea or City could challenge their expulsion in the European courts.

The other side to it is that you may then see large sponsorship deals like Etihad occur. Yes there are rules about this but how do Uefa stand on the Etihad sponsorship?

Red Man

Red Man
i think you'll find that financial fair play implementation will be reinforced by clubs such as bayern munich, arsenal and manchester united. and the reason is simple: these 3 clubs are the most profitable in football and they will make sure uefa do their job. why do you think david gill and karl-heinz rummenigge have been making 'noise' in recent times regarding the clarity of sanctions against defaulting clubs? they know they are better placed to benefit enormously from ffp.

james.

13 Apr 2012 17:50:17
Mino Raiola did an interview with Sky Italia earlier today which provided the following quote "It's a tough decision to be taken by the boy. Remain at Manchester United or go to Juventus. There are chances for both possibilities. It's a big decision that can decide a career. It's a choice that should be done quietly. United are focusing on him, they want to renew. Depends greatly on the will of the boy."


So after the interview foreplay, TMW got to what they really wanted to ask the agent, whether Pogba is about to change clubs "I do not know. There is no specific time. When we're ready, we will communicate the decision to all.

"The boy decides. The choice between Manchester and Juve is up to him."

bit of a cut an paste
red

Sounds to me like he would prefer Juve and is trying to push the kid there, reading between the lines.

13 Apr 2012 03:57:45
I do feel sorry for Berbatov he's never complained about being a sub most of the time he's always just got on with it. fantastic player just not United quality I think he will be sold in the summer

He has the quality its his style that doesn't suit us. But he is one of our most talented players. I wish him the best with the rest of his career and thank him for the.memories like his hat trick against the scousers.

Shappy

I hear that the Somerset Tourist Board are 2 donkeys down for rides on Weston-Super-Mare beach this summer and have enquired about filling the void with Berba and Carrick. Hopefully they will pass the medical and we can replace them with Llorente and Muniain

This nonsense about players not being United quality pisses me off. How is berbatov not united quality? He is one of the most skillful players in the world.
But i do agree that he doesnt fit into the system. But still, if messi does not fit into united's system, does that mean he is not united quality?

Millz

At a time when were struggling to put chances away and welbeck and hernandez couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo,last seasons top scorer cant even make the bench.
johndenton

Agree with millz he is a top top player incredible touch skill and pass just not the player that we needed to fit our fast flowing football

Not United quality?
Berbs has been treated appallingly.
One of our most technically gifted players, a cracking goals to games ratio, great attitude, love's the club....and he's lost his place on the bench to a lad who has done nothing for us and can't decide whether he even wants to be here.
Poor show by United, i have to say.

Unfortunately he just doesn't have the pace to go with our play style. Hes indeed very skillful and appears to love the club and it is a shame. He was a cracking player but just not suited to us.

He's always been a fantastic player in the past. Loves the club and never complain abt not getting enough play time. Just because he's slow and all doesn't mean he's not united quality. Gotta respect the guy for what he's done for the club.

Berbatov is still a much better player than wellbeck. He should be playing ahead of him. Wellbeck is a disaster, he can't finish and runs around like a headless chicken. How many chances does he need to score. He was terrible the other night when he came on and this cost is the game. He had enough chances to win.

He has an amazing attitude, is technically the most gifted we have and has a great goal ratio.
He hates to lose the ball and therefor does not attempt stupid through balls, like others we have.

It really bugs me to keep hearing he is too slow!
He is not, he's barely slower then Rooney in full sprint, he just doesn't sprint into every space he sees, or after every ball he sees the slightest part of.

He is an extremely intelligent player and gets frustrated by his playing partners if they don't see the openings he sees before they are there, only Scholes does, and sometimes Giggs does. Cleverly might be able to develop this kind of vision, but all the others, yes including Rooney! play into the space which is open when they see it, not which will be open by the time the ball arrives.

That's actually what sets Barcelona apart from other teams, they put the ball where space is opening up, not where it is closing down.

Sad to see him leave, but he really does not fit into this United team.

Jonny8

Should never have signed him, waste of money and because he's perceived to have flopped it handed the Glazers an excuise to tighten the wallet.

He's a truely gifted player, i think he would have done much better at United and his footballing career in general if he didn't smoke. He doesn't have the work rate or pace needed at MUFC.

Ozwald