Manchester United Rumours Archive August 13 2012

13 Aug 2012 22:24:02
Hi guys, sorry to go on about the two names Rvp and lewandowski, but seeing various things that RVP has agreed personal terms with us, and just waiting for arsenal to agree to a fee, plus we have lodge a 23.6 mil bid for Lewandowski..... Could edd or sydney comment about any concrete info on this?

Cheers Dsetred

13 Aug 2012 20:53:32
Been reading on the other teams pages that Arsenal have given up on Sahin as they expect Liverpool to get him. Sounds like a great time to sneak in and steal him from under their noses I know we have shown interest eds any chance of this happening.

Thanks,

Darren-Bermuda {Ed007's Note - No Darren, Utd have no interest in him.}

Sahin wants UCL football and Arsenal are due for talks with him at the end of the week. Liverpool have an interest, but he wants the Arsenal move.

Sydney!

Sir alex waiting for darren fletcher to be fit.
ferdcoast

Syd, surely if the rumours about Lewandowski are true then Sahin would be a good fit to play with both him and Kagawa from past experience together. Can't claim to know much about him just putting the puzzle together and the pieces seem to fit seeing as he would take time to gel with the likes of Clevs, Nani, Valencia, and Rooney so familiarity could play a part in the deal. But Ed says we have no interest which is a shame. Thanks for the reply

Darren-Bermuda

13 Aug 2012 20:21:21
Just saying, with Welbeck refusing to sign a new contract and being left out of the pre season there could be a big surprise when he might move on this summer. I think there is a good chance he will and with the statement below talking about a player in exchange for RVP then my bet would be Welbeck. Striker for a striker and it would make sense for us because we have a young striker called Will Keane coming through the reserves who SAF rates higher than Welbeck.
I don't have any inside sources but don't be surprised.

Dan

I do not think Welbeck was left out of the tour, perhaps he got a knock or something.

But hows about Lewandowski & RVP in for Welbeck and Berbatov?

Now try and fit all of them in the line-up ;)

Sydney!

RE: Will Keane, I used to play for him and his brother Michael back when I was a youngun (as well as John Bishop's son Joe) and they are amazing! Both are going to be big, and are die hard united fans

Actually read this too

I would love that Syd. Though I would be happy if we sold both and just brought RVP. We have. Rooney, kagawa, Hernandez, Macheda and Keane. Hell we could get rid of Macheda for a few mil as well and I wouldn't complain if it was put towards Sneijder/modric/Moutinho/Martinez.

Dan

Welbeck went to the Euro's with England so wasn't included in the pre season becasue of that. He wasn't "left out" as such, just given time off. He played against Barca didn't he? I think.

RedMist

Welbeck played against Barca and Valerenga :/

It has just been announced that Welbeck has signed a 5 year £75000 a week contract so don't look like he is going anywhere. Mores the pity.

Welbeck is class and he aint going anywhere, thats why he has just signed a new contract!! Fergie rates him #FACT Rooney, RVP, Wellers, Hernandez, Kagawa great striking options for the coming season :-)

cant wait.

13 Aug 2012 19:29:15
gaitan deal was done in january ,the fees was agreed and wanted him to stay at benfica so that they could sell nani in summer.he would be unveiled after nani is sold to the highest bidder.there are also some rumours in spain that man united are offering 15 million for isco.
shark united

Also selling nani is a step backwards not forwards I'd take nani ove gaitan anyday proven in the epl and a match winner on his day

13 Aug 2012 19:14:20
RVP to sign a new deal at Arsenal.

Juventus were favourites for him but due to their manager being banned for 10 months due to match fixing at his previous club, RVP decided he did not want to go there.

This left City and United in the race for RVP.

City have been told that, in order to put a bid in for RVP, they must first sell Adebayor and Santa Cruz to get them off the wages list. It seems as though neither want to leave because of the wages they are getting.

This leaves United.

United had a first bid of £12 million turned down and a recent second bid of £15 million turned down.

After all this RVP has changed his mind and now wants to stay with Arsenal. He sees that the club have plans of moving forward after the signings of Santi Cazorla, Olivier Giroud and Lukas Podolski.

Source:breadandbutterfootball.com

I think RVP has agreed personal terms and is waiting for his agent to ring him and tell him to get on a plane to Manchester for a medical. The only way he will be staying at Arsenal is if SAF doesn't give AW what he wants.

Sydney!

Very believable...I just read and posted that on another website we have bid 23.6m for that lad from dortmund confirmed by polish t.v. and press

Why would RVP sign away 20 million pounds over 4 years that is what extra he will earn joining United If he does not join us now he will walk on a free next year and the Arsenal Board will not let that happen again
ARB

Sydney, is there any concrete evidence that you have heard about RVP agreeing to personal terms with MU? Hard to tell what's BS and whats fact these days.
I find it hard too believe he has chosen MU as a possible destination. Not that your a chit club or anything, but he must know the ramifications of such a decision.
Ezdee

Ezdee, what a few bad Tweets on Twitter? Nasri has been ripping it out of you since he signed for City. There will be no repercussions lad.

RVP's agent has held talks with United, City and Juventus officials over the past few months. He will know the offer we have on the table for him.

According to Ed002 the talks between SAF & Co and AW & Co have taken place today in London. They wouldn't be taking place if RVP wasn't interested in moving to United.

Sydney!

Well actually Syd! If RVP has actually sanctioned his agents into speaking with your lot, I truly hope he goes then. We will be ok without him. No room for Judas at Arsenal. Man United however, vacancies galore. Enjoy him for the short time he wil play.
Ezdee
Ps Who is Nasri? And I'm too old to tweet.

Nasri was your best player behind cesc fabregas and rvp. Song isn't bad either, hope you lads can hold onto someone!
Snakey80

13 Aug 2012 17:22:18
Man Utd are the only team to have made a formal offer for Spanish U21 star Isco. The former Valencia man also has interest from Arsenal, but his preferred destination of the two would be Old Trafford after mouth-watering reviews from goalkeeper David De Gea whilst at the olympics. There is a £16 million buy out clause in his contract but it is believed that a bid of around 10-12million would be acceptable. The formal offer was just a letter from club to club stating of Man Utds high interest in the player and if he was available they would come back with an offer for the player. Lucas Moura was number 1 target but his move to PSG made Utd look elsewhere, Rodriguez of Porto and Isco were there other choices but with a huge offer needed for Rodriguez,Isco is the only option from the three.

RedKnight

I can't see where we would play isco. He has impressed me when I have seen him play but he plays the role Rooney, Kagawa and RVP (if he came) plays. Well RVP can play that role.... Unless we try to make him into a xavi type player. His passing is good enough for it
The Red Manc

Isco is very much a luxury, unless we intend to use him outwide OR if we aren't going for another striker as then we could do something like this in some games...

___________DDG
Rafa___Ferdy___Vidic__Evra
Tony__Kagawa__Clevs__Nani
___________Isco
__________Rooney

Thats not too bad either, and Isco could easily be dropped as he wouldn't come with a massive price tag and isn't a big name like RVP.

RedDevil19

I think you answered the question really. Would be good to get another young Spaniard in, having 2 already here would be a good selling point to attracting others.

He also plays wide left..but does cut in dramatically all the time.

Red Joe

Seems like a decent player but if we buy a winger he needs to be left footed. this guys can't cross with his left just like nani and cuts in on the right. total waste of a wide midfielder, by the time the ball gets in the box all the players in there are standing still as their runs have been made. Isco not for me for this reason

13 Aug 2012 16:40:13
There is a pic on Twitter, with SAF with two other guys and it looks like it's in London (Look at the post code on the left)
Any ideas on what it could be for?
I don't know how to post the pic on here. Can someone tell me? {Ed059's Note - It's photoshopped}

Its not photoshopped it is SAF with Richard Bevan of the LMA

Who's that?

Wasnt there a meeting in london with all premier ship managers...

It didn't look photoshopped to me.

13 Aug 2012 16:16:04
This whole rvp deal is pointless arsenal want £20million for rvp who has said he won't renew his contract why don't we just wait until January and then sign a pre-contract as his heart is clearly set on a move to united so we will sign him next summer this summer focus on other targets e.g. Lewandowski or witsel etc.

Ed, am i right in saying that RVP can only agree terms in January with a club outside of the EPL?

JK92 {Ed007's Note - Yes mate, players can only sign a pre-contract with a club in the same FA one month before his contract expires, the 6 month rule covers signing for a team in a different FA.}

13 Aug 2012 15:37:31
Question for the eds. With all the speculation, what are the genuine transfers we might be seeing. It seems we are looking at everyone and their dog. Some of the players being mentioned are not good enough to get into the starting lineup and will be overpriced benchwarmers and that is the more man city transfer policy than united policy. {Ed002's Note - I have given my opinion in the responses.}

13 Aug 2012 15:29:01
Lewandoski seems more fit for out club but even we offer right price you really think Dortmund will let him go?

13 Aug 2012 14:59:29
Reports are goin about that RVP is havin a medical at utd hope it's true does any1 no or heard similar to me?


P. Belfast

Where did you find that rumour today?
redtonka

Can't see it after Wengers comments yesterday. If he comes it will be a deadline day deal, can't see it though to be honest!

He is already with the Holland camp for wednesdays friendly.

All the way from twitter!

I dont understand all these players were supposed to be making offers for .. surely if you were that interested in a player joining you would want them at the club asap.. like moura if we had offered the extra few million he would be here now.. and maybe same with rvp ?

How would you know he was having a medical yet SSN dont?

I think he's in Holland.

Tommy

Heard the same whispers, I could be wrong but I believe it's nothing more than speculation and wishful thinking.
Mr Q

He is with the dutch squad- arsenal are very reluctant to sell and you know how stubborn wenger is... 50/50.

13 Aug 2012 11:50:47
united might return again for porto winger james rodriguez after missing out on lucas moura, he is a more occomplished player than moura also

We don't need wingers do we I'm glad we didn't sign lucas he was that kind of player we need someone who can pass the ball forward not back like carrick does

That was pulled off TribalFootball.com .. Please if you are going to post that websites fantasy dreams at least add a link...

Gaz

After all grapes are sour ! Hmmmm!

Wingers we have that many we could play 11 in one game . A ball playing midfielder is what we need ,ie Scholes needs an apprentice .Also another forward capable of frightening defences RVP is the man .

Jesse lingard will take over from scholes in due time unreal talent

12 Aug 2012 22:42:41
If Ed002 is around and is happy enough to respond (or any other Ed who can answer):

I've just read that in regards to the RVP situation that Wenger and the Arsenal board are happy for the player to see out his contract and that RVP is very relaxed about the situation. Even to the extent that a £20m+ may not be enough. Is this correct? Do you have any information to shed light on the situation.

Thanks very much,

Rudderpost {Ed002's Note - If MUFC do not pay what is asked RvP has two realistic options - see out his contract or sign a new one. Ideally no one at Arsenal would want to see him leave for free.}

Ed002, this is obviously why United are trying to get him on the cheap as Arsenal's board were banking on him being sold. Who do you think will win this battle Ed?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I don't see it as a battle Syd. Just a run of the mill transfer with a little negotiation. Either he will move to OT or sign a new deal. I don't see he would run it down. OT is a very real option so I think it will be favourite.}

Hi Ed002. Tanks for your insights so far.
Am I way off here?
I feel arsenal will sell him, might go to deadline day though, since I feel they already signed his replacements and spent his transfer mone, and are therefor not in a hurry, but will need to recupe some of the outlay.
Thanks

Jonny8 {Ed002's Note - Arsenal are still on the look out for a striker. No one would deliberately delay a deal to deadline day because the risk is too high of losing the deal. If it goes that far it is because agreement cannot be reached.}

I'm not saying they are delaying it, but are in no hurry to agree a deal in time to be able to find a suitable replacement, since they already signed it.
But they might need to make as much money, to make up for the players signed already, and will therefor haggle as long as possible.
way off?

Jonny8

Ed002, I know you do not like to get into the figures, but Twitter think we are paying £25m for him, whereas I believe it's closer to £15m. Would you be surprised if a deal is reached at more than £20m? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Are Twitter including VAT, agent fees, VAT on agent fees and Administration fees? Perhaps that is the disparity. I suspect it will be more than £15M. Why are you looking at Twitter again?}

Ed002, a lot of Twitter stories have appeared on here of late. Some saying £22m fee, £23m fee and £25m fee. Personally I think the fee will be between £15m-£20m. That's transfer fee alone of course. Cannot see United paying Arsenal upwards of £20m for RVP. I wouldn't be surprised if United are playing hardball on around £12m, but get a deal agreed around 17m/18m. Just my opinion of course, that's why I do not buy these Twitter rumours, I feel they are realistically too high.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Perhaps too low for even discussions Syd.}

Ed002, so are discussions officially underway? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - There is no "official" start to discussions Syd. Do you think they have a bell or a whistle to start them?}

Ed002, but the manager did say that Arsenal are ignoring United, what I mean is are talks now happening? Thanks again.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - My understanding is that Wenger is still facing the wall. Ferguson stamped his feet for a few minutes earlier in frustration. He will have headed back to the Shelton Hotel by now.}

Ed002, not looking good then?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - No doubt after a refreshing glass of grapefruit juice and lemonade at the London Sheldon Hotel bar SAF will see sense and pay up.}

Not a bottle of Claret then Ed?

Ed, you have got to laugh at the rumours that keep coming through haven't you? He must have signed 30 times in two days ;)

Sydney!

Thx Ed002. Love your sense of humour.
Do arsenal need to sell to balance the book?
They spent a lot more then usual, but we're always adament there is money to spend.
I thought they would have spent the RvP money already and this made me optimistic, but I don't have a clue
Lol

Jonny8 {Ed002's Note - I think the concept of "balancing the books" is an over used cliche.}

Thx Ed.
So enlighting!
lol
Guess they are fine without selling him then.

Loved your reference to the lovely hotel.
Any of you Eds connected to it?

Jonny8

13 Aug 2012 11:04:10
hope dis gets posted edd if utd sign rvp do you think that will be it in the transfer market coz if it is i cant see utd pipping city to the title they need a roy keane type player to compete wit yaya and the rest we need aleast 3 signings left back striker and a midfielder anyone agree

irish red {Ed002's Note - NO, I don't think that will be it.}

13 Aug 2012 09:10:07
Lewandoski is going to be our next signing, not RVP. Watch it happening. I have a strong source that informed me and confirmed me the negotiations between two clubs. It's confirmed and Lewandoski is going to be our player in this transfer window.

Don't forget that I was the first one to announce it!

Saleemi!

Since when where you the first to announce it because if you think this is the first time that rumour has be said you are mistaken

No way dortmund would sell two of there best players to united.would be great if it happened but no way.

I am the first to confirm the signing, not the first one to spread the rumor which might not happen later no!

Saleemi

13 Aug 2012 01:00:10
Rennes have claimed they received a bid for M'Vila from an English Club. Could be any of the top four or even Liverpool. Would love to see him at United. And if he goes to Arsenal i would like to see A.Song come to us. Both are strong in the tackle and are good distributors of the ball.
James

Was spurs.. apparently the deal should be announced within the next few days..

JonnyBlackBoots

It's spurs

Spurs.

G.A.G.U.S

Think there is more chance we sign cheik tiote than either of these arsenal wont want to sell song to us and m villa could be troublesome newcastle signed vurnon anita who plays in the same positon just guess work we could be interested he would be my first choice dmc that we could pos get would love martinez but know that is not realstic but tiote would come to us and make us a lot better unit you never know he could of been our target all summer and we were just waiting for newcastle to sign a replacment

Rennes have accepted 18m bid from tottenham.

It's Spurs

United Till I Die 1987

I thought Edd mentioned it was Tottenham.

IBleedBlue

It's to Spurs mate. Unless there is a late hijack by other clubs. Arsenal are out for sure. They passed him on earlier and he was unhappy with it.

You are having a laugh Alex song is rubbish
He's a hacker plus he's already agreed a move to Barcelona
No way should he come to OT

Sorry guys i posted this before i found out it was Tottenham.
James.

If song is rubbish why do the best team in the world want him?and stop trying to get arsenal players theyre to good for you

13 Aug 2012 00:13:06
I still have a feeling Robert Lewandowski will be our next signing and not RVP he is younger, fitter and matches Fergie's transfers of the past not paying high for ageing players.

George

I said a while back we had a bid turned down for him, would much prefer him to RVP aswell. No idea if we'll go back for him I hope we do though.

United Till I Die 1987