Manchester United Rumours Archive July 13 2012

13 Jul 2012 22:17:22
According to sources, Sao Paulo rejected a 33million (in euros) offer for Moura. I'd say that's a fair amount, he's still as yet very much unproven as a player. Why are Brazilian youth prospects so expensive, I can't think of a single Brazilian youth prospect that has gone world class since leaving Brazil. Pato's quality, but not world class in my book. I thought we paid over 20mil for Anderson, his current price tag is nothing close to that and he was supposed to be the next Ronaldinho and Moura's supposed to be the next C. Ronaldo. Unproven, in my book

Sao Paolo are saying they are not selling him at all. Whatever the reason, we can chalk it up to another swing and miss from United on transfer targets. It'd be laughable if it didn't want to make you cry....-KG

He is a top quality player tho and unless they leave brazil an try Europe we would never know but I'd rather bite the bullet an try it with him than barcelona etc taking him an then seeing him destroy Europe ! I think we will sign somebody of his class but could be a smokescreen for a move for someone not even mentioned

Top prospect not good?
How about Ronaldo Nazario? How about Kaká? How about Cafu? How about Ronaldinho Gaúcho?
Is it risky? Yes, but if the player makes his breakthrough, he'll probably one of the top players in the world.
What makes me sad is the fact that usually scouts don't look to a players profile properly, including his life and his personality.
Pato was a failure soi far, but nobody, even in Brazil, knew he was injury prone. Anderson plays in a position that he is NOT used to, everyone knew Robinho was just a stuck up kid, and so on...
On the other hand, everyone knew that Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Ronaldo Nazario and Gaúcho, and Kaká were all future worldclass players.
Lucas' personality is almost the sama as Kaká's: extremely professional and focused, has ambition and maturity that far exceds his young age.

13 Jul 2012 21:47:05
MAnchester United have offered 33 million euros for Lucas Moura.

http://www.lancenet.com.br/sao-paulo/Manchester-oferece-milhoes-Lucas-Paulo_0_736126498.html

TT

13 Jul 2012 20:47:45
According to some sites, we have bid 33m for the Lucas Moura. Don't know how reliable they are but it states we are waiting for a response. I'm a long time United fan who lives in Costa Rica. Love the site.


CRMike

Its been rejected

fearny

Welcome.

G.A.G.U.S

13 Jul 2012 17:10:26
Why is everyone so convinced Baines will be arriving? I genuinely do not believe we are 'on the brink' of signing him. Makes no sense. Too over hyped too over priced.
Im also not going to get myself involved with this Moura stuff. If we get him awesome, if we dont he was never a possibility.
I would rather Willems every day of the week. Evra will get antoher year as starting left back.
I think our next and final signing will be in the Gaitan mould who can play in a fluid front 5, perhaps Konoplyanka.

Stuey

You're on the brink of signing no one. Baines is 5x the player Evra is, consistent, great crosser of the ball, free kicks are pinpoint and most of all he isn't lazy. Your team is £800m in debt, be more concerned about what's going on off the field rather than on it.

Can you Everton supporters just pop off back to your own page, you are really irritating me. Why are you coming on to our page? Is there not enough speculation on your's to keep you happy? or is it your club hardly ever (sorry never) sign an exciting player and therefore isn't worth looking at. You are and always have been one of the most boring clubs in the league, even when doing well. Not bothered whether we sign Baines or not, just tired of you coming onto our site and bad mouthing MU!

Red Joe

Joe, we have a point coming on to your site because the ignorance of your fans is annoying us to, linking our young players and saying Baines is going to sign on a certain day when they have no source to back it up.

ToffeeMike

Cause Kagawa and Powell are "exciting" signings? They were both non entities before United forked out money that they don't have to whisk a transfer through. In reality, all this spending is adding to your debt. £800m now, at the end of the season when you've "signed" Modric you'll be another £200m in debt and forced to sell more of your club. It's not mathematical it's political. People don't have the money to buy shirts or season tickets anymore and the price of a season ticket and United is disgusting. No money in = no revenue. No revenue = debt.

We don't even need Baines, far too overated and for the price that is being banded about i wouldnt touch him with a barge pole, so jog on Evertonian back to ur own page

Lol because Everton are doing so well with money.

It is rare that you read something so completely ignorant as saying that Kagawa and Powell were "non-entities" before we got them.
Kagawa has been brilliant in the german league; in a fantastic, exciting young team that is exploding with talent he still outshone most, and had to come back from quite a severe injury with seemingly little affect to his performances.
Powell has spent the season in League 2, earning his team promotion. The media all sat up and noticed him in about october due to his technical ability, and exciting raw talent.
Whilst neither were as well known as modric or RVP, to say that they were "non-entities" is ridiculous, and does nothing but negate the rest of your point by highlighting how little you know about european or english football outside of the EPL

Jaxer

Kagawa is a very exciting talent and Powell has a lot of potential to be a great talent for England. This is a rumour page, just because we have been linked to one of your players doesn't mean you have to cry about it.

Everton fans probably looking to see which United reject their signing next. You can have Berbs! We'll be having Baines this season and Barkley next.

Boyley

To highlight that post. Kagawa wouldn't have been tapped up if it wasn't for Dortmund winning every piece of silverware in the German league as is the same with Powell. Powell wasn't as well endowed if he hadn't have scored that goal at Wembley that secured promotion. I very much doubt Man Utd would've placed bids if it was not for the success of the teams that they were in. {Ed007's Note - I have no idea how well endowed Powell is and it doesn't really interest me but I can assure you that Utd's and practically every other PL club's interest was not based on his goal at Wembley, he has been regarded as one of the best prospects in English football for a while. Ed001 tipped me off about him and CFC are interested in Leitch-Smith so I watched a fair bit of Crewe's games. I am delighted that Utd have managed to get Powell.}

Price of season ticket disgusting? I'm pretty happy paying £535 a year(a lot less than most clubs) to see us dominate English football for past two decades. Poor Everton fans are paying similar amounts to watch mediocre football year after year... That's disgusting!

Steve the red

Haha that Everton fan is really thick.

*00 million debt? really its around 450 million, yes still terrible but nowhere near what he thinks.

Love how he thinks Modric will cost 200 million as well "£800 million no, at the end of the season when you've "signed" Modric you'll be another £200m in debt"

And lastly some dig about pricy season tickets, has he seen what chelsea and arsenal fans fork out?

According to mr fergie.... the powell deal was wrapped up before the play offs. stated in the press conference at the unveiling of the transfers. so in my opinion fergie must be a god or something to have seen the goal at wembly and sign him on that....i aint stupid but usually the play offs are before the final.

As far as I'm aware Everton tried to sign Powell but he chose a move to united instead :)

Caolán.

I can't hear anymore noise from the Everton end? Sorry lads, but if you want to come on our rumour page and try to act the dogs b******s, at least put up a bit of a fight when you get torn to pieces!

Oh and well endowed...that's just classic

Can't believe everton fans are worried bout our debt,,,,, they have to sell there players to keep going, they should be encouraging united to sign Baines,

13 Jul 2012 16:42:14
Ed, Is it true clyne is joining Southampton? Thanks {Ed002's Note - It is one of the available options.}

He is. There for a medical.

13 Jul 2012 15:31:02
Lots of interesting stuff going around today. Madrid have apparently upped their bid, we have tabled an offer for Lucas and Spurs must pay around £31 million. Also interestingly, Afellay may be available for £4.4 million. Moratti has also said that Sneijder may leave the club, are we going to go for him if we miss Modric. I still maintain that Modric is the primary target. Today I spoke to a friend in Holland who said that Cristian Eriksen is being widely reported in the Dutch press as being subject to a 22 million Euro offer from Manchester United. This could be true, but if they are as reliable as the British press, it couldn't be further from the truth.

RedDevil19

13 Jul 2012 14:24:33
Hi all,

Have been following this site for a number of months without posting but thought I would offer my two cents as I've finished work early on a Friday afternoon! I think we are all in agreement that the squad is crying out for another world class central midfield player; Scholes, whilst still mixing it with the best, cannot play each week. Giggs, to my mind, has been past his best for several seasons and despite the occasional glimpse of his old magic is simply not good enough to play in the centre of midfield. Anderson, I fear, has been given more than enough opportunities to realise the potential we all see within him but is sadly injury-prone and clearly battles with his weight. Carrick had one of his better seasons last season but lacks the mobility and ability to tackle to be considered a world-class holding midfield player. People refer to Phil Jones as being a good alternative but was found out on each occasion he played the role last season because he is a centre half. Yes, he has the potential to be absolutely world class in that role but I feel he's being stifled by being used as this "jack of all trades" utility player as Fergie did with John O'Shea. As for Cleverly, his ability is undoubted but he needs to remain injury free.

Sadly, Fergie's comments this week lead me to believe we have signed all the midfielders we are going to sign this pre-season. Kagawa was referred to as being the player that will give us that extra dimension in the final third and he has also stated that Clyne has been signed as a midfield player. I suspect, therefore, that unless Spurs stop asking silly money for Modric, our only other addition will be Baines. Whilst he's solid, I'm bound to say I am surprised at our links with him given that we seem to be lacking a world class right back. The Da Silva's aren't the answer and, as said above, Jones and Smalling are both plainly centre halves given their stature. Who knows, perhaps Ferguson will surprise us all with a couple more world class additions but I suspect, sadly but not unsurprisingly, we'll be left feeling a little short-changed come the start of the season; not that this will stop me feeling the excitement I feel when I read some of you post that "so-and-so will be signed tomorrow" etc. Just out of interest, Eds/Syd/et al, what exactly are your positions? I apologise if it's bad form to ask or has been asked before, just wondered.

Apologies for the rather depressing post but it could be worse; we could be Liverpool fans.

WestStandUpper

One of the first posts I've read where I agree with literally every word. See no need for signing Baines at £15 mill +, would take him as back up to Evra for about £5-6 mill that is it, he's not that good. Midfield is very worrying, I dont like to comment on Giggs being a MUFC legend but he should not be playing anymore, costs us more points than he gains us.
SC

Well said, .. I agree 100 percent.

"Clyne has been signed as a midfield player"As in Clyne the Crystal Palace player? Don't you mean Powell?

Baines is playing to much higher standard than Evra has for the last 12 - 18 months. As for Jones, his best position is, without doubt, central midfield. He has a lot to learn wherever he plays (he's only a young lad) but his energy and drive would be wasted in defence.

DarkLard08

Great post have to agree with this both giggs and scholes are ledgends but are not good enough for our midfield anymore. I cant see us signing DM I have a sneaky feeling we might go for Scnjider for about £20 million. The other signing I think will be Baines who is no where near worth £15 million. I still think it was a mistake getting rid of John O'Shea last year as he could cover any of the back 4 positions and never got the credit he deserved. I will probably get slated for saying that but would he have been any worse than Evra last year and would he have made the same mistakes our back four made at times last year? Finally I would love us to sign a centre forward who can score 20-30 goals a season as if Rooney gets injured who is going to take over? Wellbeck will not score near that amount and the litle pea has been injured last year and seems to have lost his touch, how we could do with a Ruud Van Nistelrooy type player

Damian M

I assume in the OP 'Clyne' was meant to be 'Powell' as understood Clyne was still at Palace!

Think this is spot-on though, i.e. we have made our 'midfield' buys albeit attacking ones in the shape of Kagawa and Powell.

We are expecting Kagawa to be an automatic first teamer but I have a sneaky suspicion that Powell will see a lot of game-time too this season, i.e. permanent first team squad player if not first choice.

I'd understood Powell could play up-front as well as in midfield and its that versatility, as we saw with Jones last season, that Fergie is looking for.

That said I suspect we would win nothing with a team full of John O'Sheas / Phil Nevilles!

I have posted previously that leftback is not necessarily the fullback we should be replacing first but clearly Uncle Fergus disagrees given Rafael's new contract. Both he and Evra have had some serious deficiencies in their defensive positional play last season which I think have cost us several points (the 'title-losing' game at Everton being the obvious ones).

I think Rafael's defensive issues are 'covered' by the running of Valencia whereas Evra is more exposed as he has a slower player further forward of him on the flanks in Young and, critically, he's totally lost his pace now.

I think Phil Jones will make a great centre-half a la Vidic in the near future and would prefer we play him in that role, i.e. a Jones and Vidic central defensive partnership as first choice. However, if he's not afforded that position he makes a much better RB than our Brazilian cousin surely ?

A LB, presumably Baines, will be coming in, with Evra being demoted. I think that's fair given last season's performance in general but probably much more likely Fergie will give both an equal amount of game-time. That would worry me in all honesty as to get consistently good form you need to be playing all the time (as the Nani-lovers always say).

I would rather we go for a young LB who can hold that role for several years but one has to think that Baines will be first choice LB for the next 4 years when he arrives, Evra covers for this year then is sold on (currently has 2yrs on his contract left) then Fabio brought back to be understudy for 1314 season?

In that context, i.e. SAF seeing Fabio as the future leftback, Baines signing makes a lot of sense.

To be blunt there is also another consideration: Fergie needs to build a team for now or next year as he simply wont be around after that. Signing a 27yo all of a sudden doesn't look a bad idea does it ?

Nor would signing a 29yo striker for that matter.


Halesini

I agree with some points and disagree with others.

I do not think we need a world class right back as Rafael will be one in the next couple of years. He has the ability and is just a little naive at times.

I agree we will sign Baines and Modric if he becomes available.

I cannot agree that we signed Clyne for midfield, as we have not signed him, we have signed Powell, close though lol. Not seen enough of him to judge if he can make the step up right away but from some of the comments on here it would appear he could be top top class.

I am just a fan who loves the club and has plenty to say. I believe Syd is similar but is well respected on here. The eds will answer the questions I am sure but they have links to people and try and keep the site going.

GDS

Apologies; I meant Powell!

Losing O'Shea was something that I was dissapointed with too Damian, he was a top professional and a very useful palyer. During his time here he had played in every position from in goal to target man. It would be handy to have a player like that - I hope we don't make Jones that player though. And to the OP, i too think that we might go for Sneijder, but he is not first choice by any means.

RedDevil19

WestStandUpper

Top post!
I agree with everything you have written.
Lets hope that your wrong about bringing another midfielder but im with you. I think Baines will be the only other addition to the squad.

Simmo

I agree with a lot in this post and it does make sense, I just struggle to believe that we won't look for a marquee signing. With Citeh beating us to the title n being dumped outta both European competitions with such ease, I think Fergie will want to get fans excited about our prospects for the coming season.

The Glazers are clearly ready with the cash if Hazard, Modric, Moura rumours are to be believed, so I can't see us resting on our laurels just yet.

Having said that I think that Kagawa could make a massive difference to how we perform. One final point, there is no way per season will pass us by without the obligatory Sneidergate!

RedCraig

Disagree about Baines, He's been the best LB in the premiership for the last season, maybe 2. However, at his age he shouldn't be signed as a backup, and I can't see us selling Evra yet.

Also, SAF didn't say we would only be buying one more player, I don't remember the exact words, but it seemed more like Definately one more signing, maybe two if the right player is available at the right price.

I still expect to see a central midfielder, hopefully Moutinho, but there are plenty of decent alternatives.

Agree with most of your post

In particular with regards Jones - the last few times he played CM last season he looked out of his depth for me. I like his dynamism, the way he can bring the ball forward with force but that's about it. His first touch, composure when he got the attacking 3rd and at times his passing - left him wanting. I do agree he will be a top CB in the future, one who can bring the ball forwards from time to time

I do however think Baines will improve us above Evra, both through his being more dependable (in tracking back) and because of his lethal left boot. Not the most exciting of signings but an improvement in my eyes

Lastly the dreaded CM situation - I too am a bit worried we won't bring in that top CM we crave. Modric or Moutinho would be great but I'm not too confident of getting either and not sure we have a good 3rd option lined up

Only time will tell, I'll be happy if we get Baines, Kagawa and Powell but left feeling a bit empty if we don't strengthen the 1 position that needs it most

Gav

I on the other hand disagree with a few points namely

Rafa he has the oportunity to be the best in the world at RB raw gets to close atm but thats mainly experience... I hope he has the brains to handle it

Baines, He could be a great buy less attacking than Evra but a better defender at last we may have someone who can take free kicks and corners. Also will be there until Tyler Blackett who I haven't watched but regulars rate highly

Carrick I think the most underated Utd player a holding midfielder he doesn't make sliding tackles etc (Which are slowly being removed from the game) yet he has always gotten the most interceptions of anyone in the league if I remember correctly.He does his job quietly and thoroughly usually

Pardoe

Very well said (minus the Clyne slip lol). Maybe you should post a bit more, as It's genuine posters with a decent footballing like yourself who make this site much better.

Sydney's Mother!

Forgive the monotomy but a brilliant post and some brilliant answers....you seemed to have brought the best posters out of there slumber on this one rather than some of the usual fame hunters. I just hope that the Glazers, who are obviously in this for the money, realise that the shirts don't sell, the boxes aren't full and the advertisers aren't interested unless the team on the pitch are winning....and that won't happen without the right players...and if that means spending some money then so be it.
I personally like to see young players coming through.....but we're even losing them now....can't believe Fergie hasn't 'quietly' mentioned this to the Glazers.

J - Stand

13 Jul 2012 13:10:09
Reports in and around Holland today initially from Dutch website Sport1.nl suggesting that we are in talks with Christian Eriksen. I thought this was dead along time ago but obviously they don't have many big stories in Holland.

P.S the only reason they suggest this because of Ajax's interest in signing AZ Alkmaar youngster Adam Maher.

Can't see Ajax selling both Vertonghen and Erkisen in the same window. But he is the sort of player we should be looking for. Looked quiet in the first game against Ajax but ran the show for his team at OT. Reminds me very much of Luka Modric when I see him play.

fearny

Looks like a good youngster, but not what we really need at the moment. We need a midfielder who can tackle.

Watched Pogba last night against Spain a player we couldn't keep hold of at a fraction of the money it would cost to buy the above mentioned and there no were near as good it doesn't stack up
Tiger2

I hope this is true, but the dutch press also said we were signing Steklenburg, and we signed de Gea!
Paulo

13 Jul 2012 11:52:07
A Dutch website claims Christian eriksen is in talks with united.

Sport1.nl

13 Jul 2012 10:38:17
Eds, do you think if real madrid were to sign modric then sami khedira could become availible?
Ozzy {Ed002's Note - Khedira will like be available in the summer.}

...in the summer? we could be waiting for a while then if you are referring to that time of the year when the sun shines ;)

Nip

Id like Khedira at United imo he is a very good player

Es002, if he is availible the do you think that we could push for him?
ozzy {Ed002's Note - If there is interest sure. You would perhaps end up in a bidding war with Bayern Munich - and SPurs if Moutinho is out of reach.}

He's a good holding player, I'd personally be surprised to see him leave Real as he compliments Alonso well and would compliment Modric well in the future, if he signs

Gav

13 Jul 2012 05:47:07
For me , United are looking for at least two more players. Their scouting department has "seemed " very active the last 5 months ; more so then last season at this time. For those in the know, do you think this is an accurate statement ?

Our scouts work hard 52 weeks a year mate . We're Manchester united - we are the pride of all Europe ! We don't just get busy every now and again or decide to have a busy five months were always looking , it's what the best teams do !

Mate, you don't have to be "in the know" to understand your statement is correct.