Manchester United Rumours Archive August 14 2014

 

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14 Aug 2014 15:08:13
If Bayern Munich go out and snap vidal up now that martinez is injured that will really grind my gears

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{Ed002's Note - They have previously bid for him as a replacement for TK.}

Bayern Munich will sign song for barcelona

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Juventus coach has just said vidal is staying so think these rumours can go away at last

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Hey eds, nothing on United's bid on Vidal? Have juventus accepted it? or flat out refused to negotiate? Could you happen to share what's currently happening?

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{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

14 Aug 2014 18:58:48
I personally don't beleive that we will sign anyone. Mr Woodward has talked the talk to sell season tickets, if we were going to do business surely we would not have left it this late.

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14 Aug 2014 19:42:33
What does that abbreviation mean ed?

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{Ed007's Note - Remove The Finger Please.}

Read the f×in posts

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14 Aug 2014 22:41:12
Haha brilliant, the finger one is best.
I'm sick of vidals name too, I've got an obsession with it like sniejder and fabregas in the last few windows, the sooner they buy vidal or the window shuts the better! Lol

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I've had enough now, anticipation building up false hopes yet again. It's not as if we've dreamt this stuff up but club, ex players and media create a frenzy. We've been on the brink of Martinez, modric, bale, ronaldo, sneijder, vidal, Fabregas, kroos, ozil, Sanchez, Rossi, Barca dude that went to Bayern and schweinsteiger to name a few. Big worry for me is our inability to land overseas big name players in last 10+ years. Domestic players seem to have more desire to join, mata, van persie, berba plus a host of English players but we seem to constantly miss out. Veron is the last big name established player I can think of (might be a lesson there). I'm going to lower the bar now in that I can't see much else happening, anything that does is a bonus.

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Jiameuk - two things mate.

Firstly, most of the players you listed are players we never even bid for, they were nothing but made up rumours to sell papers.

Secondly, it's not just the last 10 years. I've been a Utd supporter for about 25 years now, and in that time Utd have never been into the big-name "marquee signing". It just isn't the way Utd do things.

You really shouldn't expect that kind of player if you support Utd, because it's probably not going to happen.

And before anyone starts, it's nothing to do with the current owners, it was the same before them.

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To be fair Ed, and I did just read all the other posts, you said we made a bid, but haven't said what happened to it. Is this because you don't know, or because Juve are still considering it?

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{Ed002's Note - This was done to death - Juventus made it clear that Vidal would need to request a move before they would consider either of the bids.}

14 Aug 2014 19:12:21
Ed002, I only recall you saying we've bid for vidal. Nothing on whether the negotiating or rejected our bid.

Apologies if you have covered this but I haven't seen it

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{Ed002's Note - Juventus made it clear that Vidal would need to request a move before they would consider either of the bids.}

Disagree Thorne, I think we have enquired about most of the above players but we're not encouraged to pursue and we have tried in past: fat ronaldo, ronaldino, kaka, del Piero, Kluivert, Batistuta and Nedved have all said how they nearly joined us. We just don't have the pull on the elite players outside our domestic league or we're not showing enough aggression when pursuing them as Citeh and Chelsea seem to get by. Before people start kicking off about the money they've spent, it's just a case in point of what is required in the modern game to compete and I'm sure we all want to do that.

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Rooney, Rio, Veron, Van Nistelrooy, Keane, Cole probably more - all marquee signings that would have walked into any team at the time. Since then, maybe RVP.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm nit saying Utd don't ever go for big name players, but while we make enquiries and so on, we are rarely willing to meet the asking prife. It's not that we can't attract them, but we aren't willing to pay the price usually.

Yes there have been exceptions (although I'd disagree about most those listed by The Beast being "marquee signings") but we generally prefer to buy good players and make them great, rather than buying the finished article.

Rooney, Rio, Keane, RVN where all bought before they reached their best, and developed into top players here.

Veron was a true "marquee signing" although he didn't work out, and RVP was too, although we got him at a relatively low price for such a good striker in his peak, and if Arsenal had been in a stronger position to hold out for a bigger fee I doubt we would have gone through with it.

I'd also include Mata, big name, big money.

Just compare our signings over the years to Real Madrid. They generally buy players already at the top of their game or close to it, and yet they've won less over the last 20 year's than us, despite having less real competition domestically. That's why I prefer our way.

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14 Aug 2014 12:18:17
Ed's : slightly confused. Contrary to much of what has appeared in print in national newspapers, my understanding is that Utd have absolutely NO interest in Cuadrado or DiMaria!? Never have!? Can you clarify please - as it had been suggested that bids could be made. Also, picking up that Benatia is to remain in Rome and that presently, only one signing is expected this window - Blind.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained repeatedly that clubs do not like auctions which is what Fiorentina have been looking to do with Cuadrado. Barcelona have turned elsewhere. May still be a twist involving another club. Di Maria would like to get a deal done with PSG but they need to raise money by selling. RM will wait a bit but he is not the only significant bit of business that PSG are looking to do. Could happen still. Two other sides have had bids rejected for Benatia, one within the last week. They have been told he is not for sale. That could still change of course.}

So could the Cuadrado in, Schurrle out rumours actually be true then Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the Chelsea page Syd.}

It's just if Barcelona are out of the loop at least for now, it would be disappointing if MU have another to compete with. Especially if it's someone like Chelsea. Cuadrado would be a good buy IMO.

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14 Aug 2014 13:46:43
Thanks for the reply Ed - BUT - my point was that Utd have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in either player! Smoke screens perhaps?

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Do Bayern maintain an interest in Cuadrado?

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I just want to say I have had 2 posts that haven't made it to the board.
The first one a week ago stating RM and Blind would be the only two signings in August.With the possibilty of
a defender from celtic(i forget his name)
And I also had it on good authority that Vidal will stay another 12 months at Juve, tried to post this at 05:00 this morning but it was never posted.
Rant over Z00P

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Worrying thing is we, re going into the season with a weaker squad and first team than last season

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Dusty, let's hope we can agree a deal for Vidal, Blind & Rojo then.

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Syd, scratch vidal from that list after his coach said he's going nowhere

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Perhaps the coach should let the president know that then. It would save a lot of messing around negotiating.

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I don't think it is weaker.

Herrera changes the whole dynamic of the team. Firstly he adds the passing we've missed since scholes, but also he adds an attacking threat to central midfield.

Last season we lacked an attacking threat in central midfield, and opposing midfielders would push up to support their attack freely, because they weren't scared of players like Cleverly breaking forward with the ball.

Herrera can and will break forward, and can do some damage when he does. Fletcher also looks back to fitness and form, and while he can't split a defence like Herrera can, he can't be ignored when he breaks forward, which he rarely did last season.

Having central midfielders willing and able to break forward will encourage a little more caution in opposition midfielders, and will relieve the pressure on the defence.

The new formation will also get more out of the players I think, although we still need some defensive reinforcements (hopefully Rojo + Hummels or someone similar).

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Vidic, Rio, giggs and evra have left Shaw and Herrera in, that's weaker however you want to look at it, Evans injured again, Shaw injured, valencia injured Carrick injured, smalling and Jones never get through a season in injured, if we don't spend now we never will

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3 ageing defenders out, only one of whom (Vidic) has been even close to good enough in the last year or two, for one very good young defender.

One 40yr old playmaker out, one superior 24yr old playmaker, who also has the engine of a box-to-box midfielder, in.

We do need some defensive strengthening, but that really isn't much weaker, and once Rojo signs it'll be stronger. Hopefully we'll still manage to get in a top centre-half or someone too, and then we will be set for 2nd or 3rd place and to finish the rebuilding next summer.

If we get in too many players they won't gel. We already got 2, hopefully 2 more soon (Rojo and another centrehalf), maybe 1 more on top of that at most.

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If buts and maybes mean nothing, tomorrow the premier league kicks off and we are weaker, evra vidic and giggs would improve the starting 11 tomorrow, even butner would improve the bench

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Yes, we still need a signing or two defensively, but how would Giggs improve our starting 11?

Mata and Herrera are both better playmakers and Herrera also offers much more energy, gets up and down the pitch to contribute at both ends and is far better defensively. Mata offers more goal threat than Giggs too.

I must admit I do wonder why Buttner was allowed to leave, as the club must have known there was interest in Evra, and he would have made a useful backup for Shaw. In fact I can't help thinking he would have done much better as a wingback in the new formation than he did as a fullback before.

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Giggs along side Herrera would improve the first team tomorrow, and I see you've now agreed the squad is weaker from your last post

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Dude, I've been saying all along that we need defensive reinforcement, but with Herrera we are a lot stronger in midfield. So weaker in defense, stronger in midfield, overall I think we're about the same.

Also, Giggs alongside Herrera would be much weaker than Fletcher, as Herrera would have to take all the defensive responsibility, preventing him from going forward where he is best.

With Fletch, they share defensive responsibility and Herrera can get forward to make defense splitting passes and link up with Mata.

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That's great thing about football, we all see thing different which makes it interesting to talk about

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14 Aug 2014 08:15:35
Can Ed tell us if there is anything in Hull bidding for Welbeck?
Would we let him go for £14M?
I would rather keep Danny to be honest, I think he is worth more to us than that and being a local lad he has the club in his blood.

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{Ed002's Note - There is certainly interest in Welbeck from Hull - but I would doubt he would be that attracted to a move there.}

Nothing wrong with Hull Ed!

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I would let him go. He will never be world class and even when Van Persie retires he still won't get a regular games as he is not good enough. Needs too many chances to score 1 goal and clumsy with the ballat his feet.

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It would be unwise to allow him to leave without having a replacement first. We would then have two first team strikers to play every game.

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14 Aug 2014 10:06:56
I would really hope not.

Welbeck has really come on in the last few years. He has become very difficult to defend against when he runs with the ball, thanks to a combination of pace, strength, balance and agility, and he has really improved his finishing a lot too.

All he needs now is to improve his decision making, movement off the ball and start getting into good positions more often, and he could be a complete forward.

With RVP and Rooney both coming past their peak, Welbeck is just approaching his, and the new formation should give him enough game time to complete his development into a top striker.

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Hearing things like this and Lindegaard is not sitting easy with me. We already have a lot to do without having to fill these positions too. MU should be keeping things simple with two weeks left in the window.

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Welbeck will never be world class and is unlikely to get regular football under Van Gaal so should be let go if we get a big enough offer.

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I am in agreement with Thorne, he is a nightmare to defend against aswell as a pure nuisance when in defence. He was our stand out player in the game against Real Madrid. And outshone most of their galacticos. It's saddening he isn't getting the credit he deserves for ROLE he takes. And yes I was miffed when he tried to chip Neuer, but he'll learn. LVG is the the man to get Welbeck firing on all cylinders, he took a great goal for the opener against Galaxy, I think he'll kick on now

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He is our only real pace up front. If Di Maria comes in then I may well change my tune - but currently he is the only one that could come on and really stretch the defense.

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Need to face facts, Welbeck is not going to be a top striker, the fact that Hull are the highest profile team interested in him should give people a clue. I personally think Keane and Wilson are ready to take the number 3 and 4 spot if/when Hernandez and Welbeck move on. LVG could (and likely will) simply play 1 striker if 1 of them is injured, or play Mata/Kagawa off either Rooney/RVP. We are still stacked in that position even if Hernandez and Welbeck leave.

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Irishlad - Comments like yours make me laugh.

"needs too many chances to score 1 goal. " You really should get your facts straight, Welbeck was more efficient in front of goal than any of our other forwards last season. In fact, he was something like 2nd or 3rd most efficient in the league, so he needs less chances to score 1 goal than most.

His finishing is actually very good. His problem is that he needs to improve his movement off the ball, as he doesn't get into the positions to get on the end of chances as much as he could, although being played out wide so much hasn't helped him there.

If you are going to slate our players, at least slate them for things they are actually bad at, otherwise you just end up looking like an person.

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14 Aug 2014 11:44:52
We're not stacked at all, was good as Wilson and Keane are they have no experience. Imagine if van persie got a season ended after the window shuts and were left till January with just those two and Rooney.

Welbeck is the only forward of that type we have. Hernandez should go. But not both.

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Prodigal, I think Will Keane will be sold. He is nowhere near the level of Welbeck. It's too late to start selling our regulars now, it's about who we bring in now mate.

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Hull best place for him hardly world class loan might be better see if he can prove himself and get a good run

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Rooney, Van Persie, Hernandez, Wilson - that should be our strike force for the next couple of seasons.

Danny is a good honest, hard working lad who loves the club

BUT

He is not and never will be top quality.

Rooney - Top quality

Van Persie - Top quality

Hernandez - Top quality substitute

Wilson - Top quality potential

Welbeck doesn't fit into any of those categories and at 24 he needs to be playing every week (which he won't under Van Gaal).

If Hull offer serious money then time to move him on and wish him all the best.

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Would be a huge mistake to sell Danny - I firmly believe he will improve his composure and finishing under LVG and thrive in a fast paced style of play

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He is the type of striker (if can call him that) that suits a smaller club. he is not a striker who should be on a top 4 clubs books
his goal ratio is terrible

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Everyone saying Welbeck will improve under LVG. Well, maybe LVG doesn't think so if he is the one that is not going to play him.

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Think Danny will be a massive player for us this season ,I feel he will develop in the obvious lacking areas and be v important to the team,be a huge mistake to sell him ,Hernandez on the other hand has had the potential sucked out of him season by season and is now only half the player he was when he first signed ,needs to be moved on imo

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King Eric, Welbeck brings much much more to the table than Chico. He can disrupt an entire midfields flow when asked to.
People forget he is still young too.

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He has been played out of position on the wing, so it's hardly surprising he didn't score that many over the last couple of years.

With more playing time up front this season, he should improve his movement and decision making, and he will surprise a lot of people.

Another year or two and he will be a genuine top class striker. For this season though, he will make a fine understudy to Rooney and RVP.

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Getting rid of Wellbeck would be a pointless thing to do. He is a good player that is happy to be apart of the squad. He has a definite value in backing up RVP and Rooney + still has a 20-30% chance of stepping up to a world class level. Going by the 4 strikers rule, if we sell Wellbeck, we have to replace him with another player worth 15million.

He is definately not a natural finisher. He is not confident and hesitates in one on one situations, but his scoring improved last season because he began to make better runs in the box, be oppertunistic and take more gambles. I was impressed with that. Around december last season I think he started several games up front and averaged close to a goal per game in that period. That was a good indicator of his improvment.

He can also play as a defensive attacking midfielder closing down and being disciplined like he has done many times in big games for us and in the world cup as we all saw. Wellbeck is a useful player.

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If Chicharito is going to leave we can't afford to let Welbeck go without a replacement. Squad player and understudy is ok but we need 4 quality forwards - when you think back to Cole/Yorke/Sheringham/Solskjaer would he have challenged to be in that quartet?

As hard as he tries I don't think he is the quality of forward we should be happy to settle with. Work rate and effort is great and admirable but his job is to put the ball in the back of the net and he simply is not an instinctive predator unlike Chicharito or Wilson. At 24 you would have hoped his game would have matured far more than it has and being a local lad can only bias our thinking for so long

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Thorne

"balance and agility, and he has really improved his finishing a lot too."

That made me chuckle mate, he is so clumsy and one of the few players that actually stumbles by hitting his own leg. Balance would be the last word I would use to describe Welbeck, Bambi on ice more appropriate :)

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He does have good balance, just look back over his performances last season at the number of times he was able to power through challenges and keep his feet as defenders tried to barge him off the ball when he was running at speed.

Part of that is strength, but without balance he'd be hitting the ground a lot more.

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14 Aug 2014 05:53:42
Miguel Delaney is reporting that we have turned our attentions to Benatia and that Van Gaal wants 2 out of Benatia, Rojo, Blind. The report also says Van Gaal is starting to get agitated by the lack of transfer activity and that dealing with Juve for Vidal after Conte left is proving to be difficult and that Di Maria prefers PSG.

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Benatia may prove to be difficult as other clubs have balked at his price, so it could very well end up being Rojo & Blind. Underwhelming if I am honest, but I wouldn't care if we got Vidal and Cuadrado.

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If it's true that Juventus have given us a deadline of Friday to make an acceptable offer for Vidal, I don't think the deal will be done. It's frustrating but it doesn't bother me that much since it looks like we will get Strootman in either mid to next season. What bothers me is that Van Gaal stated a while back that he wants a world class defender, but there seems to be no movement on this. Rojo is good, but for me there is not much difference to Jones or Smalling. I think it's either going to be Di Maria or Cuadrado not both.

Just my opinions.

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What makes me laugh about these footballers saying they prefer PSG is that surely the french league is the most boring league in all of football?

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