Manchester United Rumours Archive January 14 2011

14 Jan 2011 23:05:11
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Man utd team after January

Van Der Sar
Rafael
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Henderson (£20m)
Fletcher
Anderson son son
Nani
Hernandez
Rooney

@Come on lads, Sunderland have already made it clear that it would be difficult to turn down a £15m offer for him. In other words £12m would seal it.

Sydney!

14 Jan 2011 22:57:36
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@Not at all mate, the £151m cash reserves belong to the club, not the Glazers. So we would buy players from this account.

Sydney!

And the club belongs to . . .the Glazers. Wakey wakey. The Glazers would have to approve any major spend, anyone who has worked in an accounts payable dept will tell you there is a heirarchy of approval, anyone who thinks the Glazers are not top level neads their heads seeing to

@Mate the Glazers are the top dogs agreed, but Manchester United's revenue is Manchester United's, not the Glazers. The Glazers cannot just help themselves to it. For example, if the Glazers sell up it does not mean they can walk away with the £151m as its not theirs. Its the clubs.

Its irrelevant whether they own United or not, they cannot help themselves to United's money. They are only entitled to take dividends out of the club if we make profits. This year we were not profitable.

Ed, can you explain this any better to the confused lad?

Sydney! {ed's note - I thought owners were able to pay themselves anything they liked in bonuses and salary so long as the business has the money there to cover it?}

14 Jan 2011 22:22:31
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@Not at all mate, the £151m cash reserves belong to the club, not the Glazers. So we would buy players from this account.

Sydney!

And the club belongs to . . .the Glazers. Wakey wakey. The Glazers would have to approve any major spend, anyone who has worked in an accounts payable dept will tell you there is a heirarchy of approval, anyone who thinks the Glazers are not top level neads their heads seeing to

14 Jan 2011 21:40:09
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@Okay bud, in my humble opinion I believe the Glazers would have no quarrels in handing over 16-18m to buy Sanchez, I don't believe they have ever told Fergie no, if they would pay out nearly 8m for Bebe, someone who is on a training wage at the club then they will have no problem handing over 16-18m for a player who has the potential to be World Class.

Sydney!

@ Sydney tell me this, if the rumours are true about the Glazers about to sell to ensure a profit, then they surely wouldn't be willing to hand out that money? If they are to sell this year then they would like to walk away with as much as possible, spending the money on Sanchez would mean a loss as they won't be there to benefit? All they are in the club for is a profit after all. What do ya think? This only counts if the sale rumours are true now obviously.

EireRed

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Spending money on Sanchez would not mean any losses for the Glazer because it's not their money a possible transfer would be funded with. The club has enough money in the bank to pay such a fee.

There would be no financial reason not to buy him. If we don't buy him then Fergie thinks that he is just not the right player for our team.

14 Jan 2011 21:22:49
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In reply to:

"@Okay bud, in my humble opinion I believe the Glazers would have no quarrels in handing over 16-18m to buy Sanchez, I don't believe they have ever told Fergie no, if they would pay out nearly 8m for Bebe, someone who is on a training wage at the club then they will have no problem handing over 16-18m for a player who has the potential to be World Class.

Sydney!"

Sydney I know what you mean, and I had thought of that, but i've heard reports that the Glazers are getting ready to sell and are trying to gain as much profit out of United before they sell up, which is why they may not give the money for Sanchez.

I hope not though, and in all truth I can't see them holding the money back either.

Also, I don't believe that Sanchez is European Cup tied? Unless he played in the Qualifying Rounds. If not then he would be able to play for us in the Champo for the remaining games, which would be great!

Ed, is Sanchez cup tied?

MPez {ed's note - I don't know off the top of my head but I didn't think he had played in the Champions League, I didn't think Udinese qualified.}

14 Jan 2011 21:17:23
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@Okay bud, in my humble opinion I believe the Glazers would have no quarrels in handing over 16-18m to buy Sanchez, I don't believe they have ever told Fergie no, if they would pay out nearly 8m for Bebe, someone who is on a training wage at the club then they will have no problem handing over 16-18m for a player who has the potential to be World Class.

Sydney!

@ Sydney tell me this, if the rumours are true about the Glazers about to sell to ensure a profit, then they surely wouldn't be willing to hand out that money? If they are to sell this year then they would like to walk away with as much as possible, spending the money on Sanchez would mean a loss as they won't be there to benefit? All they are in the club for is a profit after all. What do ya think? This only counts if the sale rumours are true now obviously.

EireRed

14 Jan 2011 21:09:49
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@De Laet & Corry Evans have both been loaned out for the rest of the season, Josh King looks set to go out on a season long loan next week to. Ajose out on season long loan as well as Macheda, Drinkwater, Diouf, Stewart, Amos, Cleverley & Welbeck. Eikrem & Chester have been sold.

Ed, there seems to be quite a big clear out happening, is there something more sinister behind all of this? I understand summer clear outs but winter ones are rare.

Sydney! {ed's note - I think it is more about them being found wanting so Fergie is making space to move up the younger lads.}

14 Jan 2011 20:54:02
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@Okay bud, in my humble opinion I believe the Glazers would have no quarrels in handing over 16-18m to buy Sanchez, I don't believe they have ever told Fergie no, if they would pay out nearly 8m for Bebe, someone who is on a training wage at the club then they will have no problem handing over 16-18m for a player who has the potential to be World Class.

Sydney!


But they will baulk at paying much over £30m for the real top players

14 Jan 2011 20:52:20
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Glaziers need to raise 450 million dollars by june 30 th or else have to call in recievers , debts are out of control and they must sell utd to release the funds . its nearly over lads .

14 Jan 2011 20:50:11
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Bastos

French football correspondence on Talksport this afternoon gave an interesting interview and discussed Bastos. Very positive about him, Brazilian international, very good left winger and interesting can take an excellent free kick. When asked about Uniteds interest he was positive.

Keep looking at Sanchez but is Bastos a possible

14 Jan 2011 20:39:34
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So who is Sydney? Sorry I am new here not rude.

Diarra out of contract in June by all accounts. Can u confirm ?

@Okay mate? I am Sydney! Diarra is out of contract in June 2013.

Sydney!

14 Jan 2011 20:33:16
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Sorry Gan, but you're talking rubbish here. If United's bids for Benzema, Villa, Ozil, etc. were all just for show to "appease" the fans, then there would surely be far more information freely available about them. All we have is the odd half quote here and there, which we have to piece together with other bits of information. Hardly, the best way to propagate a lie. You speak to most fans - who unlike the people here - are not obsessed with transfers and they don't even know that we went for these players and failed.

So, this theory that United have no intention of buying these players but merely take part in a charade of interest to fool the fans into thinking that we're still active in the transfer market is ludicrous.


VanishingPoint


Actually quite interesting. We go for all these players but are spectacularly unsuccessful with them. There is no suggestion of pressure on David Gill for failing to secure their signatures yet we got none of them. If these were truly Fergies targets and the names were given to Gill then he has failed. These names are regularly trotted out as players who we bid big money for to show that the Glazers are committed to spending big. It is interesting that since their financial difficulties started we have failed to secure a major target but are made to look we are really trying, leaked rumours of doing our best , we have the money really, really we do honest.

It smells to me and I will not be convinced the Glazers are committed, until they commit a truly large transfer that shows we are a club competing at the top.

Red Man

14 Jan 2011 19:56:10
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Well it seems that Tottenham is the other team in for Pienaar.

I hope to God that we not only move for Sanchez but Sign him! It would be an amazement if SAF did not move for Alexis, a player in which he has expressed his desire for.

The only reason I think we may not get Sanchez, and I pray it is not true, is the Glazers. I can see them being stingey and not giving us the money to buy Sanchez.

If this ^ is not true then I believe we should expect the signing of Alexis Sanchez in this transfer window.

Any thoughts from Sydney!, Sharkey, Gan or anyone else?

MPez

14 Jan 2011 19:52:36
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@ Sydney! the other club is Tottenham not Inter

14 Jan 2011 19:50:03
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So who is Sydney? Sorry I am new here not rude.

Diarra out of contract in June by all accounts. Can u confirm ?

14 Jan 2011 18:27:39
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Gan have you heard anything else from your contacts? p!&

14 Jan 2011 18:19:14
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{ed's note - Inter and Chelsea are currently in a straight fight for him and Pienaar, apparently. I guess they will each end up with one of them, unless United jump in and turn their watching brief on the two players into concrete bids.}

@Ed, thanks for your thoughts. With Ancelotti saying that Chelsea don't need Pienaar, I doubt they will be moving for him. Would it not shock you if Fergie didn't even put a bid in for Sanchez, considering we have been after him for many years. Plus the fact he is a supposed United fan.

Rudderpost {ed's note - everything I have heard suggests United want Sanchez, I would be amazed if Fergie lets him go anywhere else.}

14 Jan 2011 16:56:00
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The pienarr rumour looks surprisingly true although i don't see why we would sign him. .
he has never impressed me for everton and didn't during wc never seems to do anything.

14 Jan 2011 16:42:04
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Dear mr sydney!
well, it all boils down to ngiak's hypothesis all along. man united cannot afford to get into a bidding war, dear sir. ngiak hears that sanchez is very close to joining chelsea. and likewise most of the other man united targets will "fal by thewayside" to other clubs.
again, the conspiracy theory" of bidding for the sake of appeasing the fans that we are "trying" comes to mind. but even after a player "expresses" a wish to come here, we don't get him. sanchez? defour? hazard?
can you please explain to ngiak why?
wait before that he has to sign the dotted line. then you can start the explanations. as usual ngiak hopes he is wrong but these are the "facts" being played out season after season.
you want a list dear sydney!? of the others in the past? its getting longer and longer.
be that as it may, ngiak still believes in hernandez, anderson, nani, da silvas, evans brothers (corry is away!), keane brothers, amos, cleverley, pogba, morrison and the others
gan

@United have not lost out to Chelsea in the Sanchez deal and it would not be a bidding war either, United would equal Chelsea's offer and Sanchez will decide where he wants to go. Its down to the player where he goes, not the selling club. For example Udinese cannot force him to sign for Chelsea if he wanted to go to United. Hazard has always expressed his desire to play for either Arsenal or Real Madrid, never United.

Sydney!

14 Jan 2011 16:18:47
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Pienaar would be a very good signing for Man Utd £3 million tops for him bags of energy experience can play in CL. Park not back til feb, Valencia end of feb obertan not good enough, only really Nani left ot play with Giggs every other game on left wing.

If you think Pienaar would be worth signing click believable if not not click unbelievable.

Remember this how many players can you get for £3 million that is being quoted of Pienaars quality.

Ed what do you think.

{Editor Note: £3m is a good price for him mate, and he could definatly add something to the Man Utd team. Some people aren't sure about him but I really rate him. And it isn't a massive risk considering the transfer fee.}

14 Jan 2011 15:28:13
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Hi guys, Utd fan here -Tel-unfortunately living/working in London.

Been for drink at lunch and on the local radio station they are talking about Chelsea tying up Sanchez and stealing him from Fergie in the next 48 hrs with business done on Monday re details etc. He is also linked with a couple of European teams aswell apparently. 1 Italian & 1 spanish but agent not disclosing etc etc.

Hope this isn't true guys coz like the majority of you I really wanted him and sounds like Fergie did too.

Any more updates I will let you know.

Tel.

14 Jan 2011 15:03:16
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"Any idea's who Fergie will move for this month Ed & Sharkey?

Sydney!

{Editor's Note: I don't know of targets other than the obvious ones.}"

I don't know of any specifics but it will be interesting to see if he moves for Sanchez and possibly Ganso, who seems to be talking his way out of Santos. Santos have dug a serious financial hole for themselves over Neymar's contract and, as predicated, cannot service Ganso's needs. I have this feeling that if Sanchez moves in January the two clubs that lose out will enter in to a battle with Madrid for Ganso. There is nothing to back this idea up of course.

Sharkey.

@Thanks for replying, I would say there are some hot properties out there at the moment outside of the Premiership, Pastore, Jovetic, Ganso, Neymar, Sanchez, Suarez, Hamsik, Martinez, Llorente & Goetze to name ten. If United did lose out on Sanchez then Ganso would certainly be a very nice 2nd prize but I think he is very similar to Berbatov, I know they play in different positions but I feel they would do an identical job but with Ganso scoring less goals. Of course with Berba pushing 30 and Ganso just 21 it would be a logical move for the future.

I am very interested to see what happens with Sanchez, Carlo said just now on SSN that players agents are using the Chelsea name to get better deals with their current clubs or they are trying to force other teams into making a move for their clients. United have been used as a bargaining tool for years in this way and its very frustrating, Schweinsteiger & Sneijder to name a couple.

It seems this January maybe more exciting than the summer already in terms of big movements.

Sydney!

{Editor's Note: I did not see the interview but it was certainly clear that clubs like Dortmund are suffering at the hands of agents who are manipulating bids for players.}

14 Jan 2011 13:56:55
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"Does anyone really care that Benzema chose RM over Utd so much that they wouldn't want him now?
Wouldnt he work harder at Utd to prove his worth after a disapointing time in Madrid?
And it would be nice to know for certain that he wouldn't be leaving us for RM in a few years time.
He is top quality and probably availible in the summer for a relatively cheap price. Whether you love or hate Berba, he's getting on a bit and nearing the end of his contract, isn't he?
Hernandez is looking good but it's still early days and players like Benzema are not always availible.
Has anyone watched Benzema enough to make a fair judgement? Is he genuinely not good enough?

M.D."

If he is to come from the regular madrid clearout hanging his head in shame for chossing the wrong club at a cheap price then i am all for it, but if we are made to pay 30mil for a guy who rejected us when he had the chance to join us, then he should stay where he is and rot behind higuain. I can see him ending up at united after realising that his real madrid dream is nothing but a failure. Whatever games he gets are due to higuain being out or due to him being valdano and perez's choice.

Benzema is a good striker but does not work hard enough. That is what has been made of him. His attitude and his head is in all the wrong places. We do not need an overpaid arrogant brat in the dressing room, considering that giggs, neville, scholes, VDS will be leaving the united dressing room wouldn't be what it once was and i can see him throwing tantrums if his head isn't sorted out.

But at a cheap sellout he is certainly worth a bet. Players need to choose clubs properly. Look at how much hernandez has progressed at united. He was a good finisher when he came, but now his workrate looks fantastic, his dribbling is improving every game he plays, his linkup play has improved streets and miles from what it was when he came here and where has benzema gone after joining Madrid? He is still another "possibly" "Maybe" "potential" and hasn't added anything to his game, but has got worse imo from what he was at lyon.

REDFAITH

14 Jan 2011 13:09:59
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As for Sanchez, the investment would be too high for it to have commercial drivers in terms of shirt and other sales. Inter do not want to seem to want to part with too much cash for the player hence the player exchange and part ownership proposals. I also understand that Inter do not wish to pay the cash proportion of any sale until June 30. However, it seems Chelsea have had their hand forced by the efforts of Inter and it is now up to United whether they want to get involved. I have the gut feeling that the player would prefer United over the other clubs. However, I don't know if Udinese will find an offer of part ownership of other players, loans and a smaller amount of cash attractive - but if I had to guess I would say not. And another thought - would Chelsea be prepared to go for both Sanchez and Suarez to derisk the chances of one or the other failing? They have a known interest in each of the players.

Sharkey.

@Chelsea probably need Suarez more than Sanchez while United could probably do with Sanchez rather than Suarez. Both have said they will only join Manchester United in the past but have since went back on that and said they would move to the Premiership. Adler has also recently said he wants the United move but if United don't make any noises in buying him then its inevitable he will let other clubs know he is interested in moving their way.

United have been trying to get Sanchez on the cheap since he was 17, we bid around €12m for him before the World Cup and it seems United were not willing to meet Udinese's €20m valuation. Now United will be forced to meet this valuation if they want the player. Fergie has done a transfer market U-turn in the last week and its likely to be this Sanchez/Chelsea link that has been the reason why, seems United had him lined up for a summer move. But if it is not Sanchez, can you think of who it could possibly be? Arsenal are apparently eying up Defour.

Any idea's who Fergie will move for this month Ed & Sharkey?

Sydney!

{Editor's Note: I don't know of targets other than the obvious ones.}

14 Jan 2011 12:27:53
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Sydney! asked:
"I wanted to ask Sharkey a question; Sharkey with United making a big fuss of the Chilean miners, meeting the Chilean President, inviting the miners to a United game, the match, accommodation & flights all free. The fact United have set up a sponsorship deal with Chile's top red wine company 'Concha y Toro', do you think all of this was laying down foundations to start marketing Chile? In your opinion would signing Sanchez be the icing on the cake?"

It may just be a co-incidence but my understanding about the miners was related to the efforts of Sir Bobby Charlton as he has an affinity with the country dating back to 1962.

As for Sanchez, the investment would be too high for it to have commercial drivers in terms of shirt and other sales. Inter do not want to seem to want to part with too much cash for the player hence the player exchange and part ownership proposals. I also understand that Inter do not wish to pay the cash proportion of any sale until June 30. However, it seems Chelsea have had their hand forced by the efforts of Inter and it is now up to United whether they want to get involved. I have the gut feeling that the player would prefer United over the other clubs. However, I don't know if Fiorentina will find an offer of part ownership of other players, loans and a smaller amount of cash attractive - but if I had to guess I would say not. And another thought - would Chelsea be prepared to go for both Sanchez and Suarez to derisk the chances of one or the other failing? They have a known interest in each of the players.

Sharkey.

14 Jan 2011 12:10:06
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So Ngiak. .
you're saying that we are very likely to sign a player for +- 15 milion.

It will probably be a midfielder. Let's look at the options:
Pjanic - i know someone posted a list of players that are watched. He was there. Ver similar to Scholes. Good player
Defour - very likely target, but is injured so NO.
Sanchez - confirmed interest, Udinese would want much more than 15 mil.
Henderson - most likely, but is he good enough?
Rodwell - likely, but more expensive
Ganso - would be the best option, but he's injured + would cost 30 m or more. But he has problems with Santos, also the Possebon deal with them. .
Lass Diarra - Mourinho don't want to sell him

who do you think is the target?

14 Jan 2011 10:05:10
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What the Editor was referring to in his original comment to Sydney! was that Chelsea have not only expressed an interest in the Alexis Sanchez but have now gone as far as meeting representatives of both the player and Udinese in Monaco on Wednesday evening. It is not known if any particular offer was discussed. This has also bought to the surface an offer, rather than a formal bid, made last week by Inter Milan for Sanchez that apparently included part payment in cash and a player exchange. The Chelsea meeting has in turn forced both Massimo Moratti and Marco Branca to be asked about the player with resultant mixed messages. I don’t believe that any of the interested clubs were looking for a transfer to take place during this January window. However, it seems that there is a certain amount of momentum now and Manchester United could well have to enter the fray. It seems that the Chelsea interest is definite and I am guessing that the interest from Inter is more serious than they wish to let on. I wonder if this might also force the hand of anyone else?

Sharkey.

@Good morning everyone, Hi Sharkey, I did get this impression when I read the Editor's note last night. Its no secret Sanchez wants a United move, he has said it enough over the years but sometimes in footy that counts for nothing. I do believe this is why Fergie has made a U-turn in the transfer market. United have been trying to get him on the cheap for years but Udinese have been stubborn and rightly so as he is a very good player.

United will have to equal Chelsea's and Inter's bid to get the player, we can equal if not improve on the wages that Chelsea & Inter will offer him but I wonder what Fergie will do, how he will go about going one better than Chelsea & Inter? As we all know Fergie is a very shrewd man and 'IF' he really wants Sanchez then this will force his hand.

This could have been exactly what Sanchez wanted? Maybe he wants to put United under pressure so that we sign him up? Who knows. I know United have an eye on a Chilean player and its hard to imagine it could be someone other than Sanchez. I wanted to ask Sharkey a question; Sharkey with United making a big fuss of the Chilean miners, meeting the Chilean President, inviting the miners to a United game, the match, accommodation & flights all free. The fact United have set up a sponsorship deal with Chile's top red wine company 'Concha y Toro', do you think all of this was laying down foundations to start marketing Chile? In your opinion would signing Sanchez be the icing on the cake?

Sydney!

14 Jan 2011 10:04:23
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Manchester United to bid for Lens wonderkid Raphael Varane. The bid will be around 3.7 mil

{Editor's Note: They should act quickly as there are several clubs that could make a move for the lad - who really looks the part.}

14 Jan 2011 06:00:21
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Three posts and still not to be seen.

do you hate me ed?

jus askin.
rudi

{Editor's Note: Not yet - but heve you looked for your posts - try under Banter.}

14 Jan 2011 00:21:39
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Whoever made the Busquets rumour up. Fair play to ye because i for 1 don't think hes a great player, hes got an easy job in a quality barca attacking force, ive been tracking his performances since the world cup when all the bragging started and i can't see what hes got that flecth doesn't have

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Busquets is actually a better version of Carrick. He is more agile and can dribble past players with ease.

He is very good at keeping the ball. I think he is a world class players who can't really express himself creatively with Iniesta and Xavi in front of him.

Busquets + Anderson could be a devastating midfield combo.

That said i really can't stand him. He is like the spanish Gerrard in terms of dives and play-acting (even worse in this part) on the pitch. Don't want such a despicable footballer at our club, even if he is a world class football who would improve our cm massively.