Manchester United Rumours Archive May 14 2014

 

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14 May 2014 21:02:17
Rumours of a £30m bid for Strootman going in and an improved £30m offer for Luke Shaw. Looks like we will need the full £150m this summer!

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I'd be surprised if Strootman cost anywhere near £30m. I know the media have him valued at that price, but he's a £20m player for me. Sort of in the Matic price range.

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Ignoring for a moment the fact that he signed for Roma for around £15m less than a year ago - I really hope we steer clear of Strootman. He's not a bad player but is far from a world class one. Add to that the fact that he's currently sidelined with a serious injury and it seems a simple decision.

If there's £30m available - there are plenty of better players we could go for around that price range and many more fully fit players of his standard who would cost half as much.

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Where did you read about this mate? Not questioning that it's not true, just wondering where you found this, and is it a 'reliable source' that you heard it from, as people say!

Cheers mate

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Isn't Strootman injured? Where did you see this?

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Incredible to think that we could of got Strootman for £7 million last year.

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How do you work that out Fresh?
He went for 17m Euros last year

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Didn't Roma already say they would not be selling

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Hopefully we can get the Shaw deal wrapped up quickly. Not so sure on strootman.Think weshouls be looking more at vidal kroos fabregas 1st then add a player like strootman if we can afford them

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Not so sure we'll spend big as expected: LvG clearly wants to build a new, fresh team full of youngsters who will buy into his philosophy - not tired old pros who resist, as they did with Moyes.

He wants to keep Giggs as his No.2 to get an insight into youngsters coming through (as he did as BM and FCB) so, tbh, he might just bring in Strootman as his captain and midfield general, who gets the manager's ideas across to the players on the pitch.

Reports today suggest he's after the two Feyenoord CBs and their "new Xavi" creative midfielder. Take these, plus the cream from our youngsters:

Varela: will replace Rafael this year, huge potential

Maybe Michael Keane to fight for place (what will happen to Jones and Smalling? They HAVE regressed, as suggested by Keane)

Bring in shaw at LB

Bring in Strootman and maybe Reus; leaves Januzaj, Pearson, Lawrence and Powell

Then keep RVP up front, with Wilson, Bambi, Rodney and Chicarito to fight for places (if they stay)

Then exciting youthful team who will play attacking football.

Can't wait!

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TQ, Trev I don't know how reliable the stories are I've just seen the same story floating about a few different media 'sources' (eg sports witness) so thought i'd mention it.
Very true Strootman would be a risk and £30m defo a lot for a player we could have got for much less 12 months ago but LVG seems to rate him very highly so much so I think he's changed the Dutch formation to cover his absence.

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14 May 2014 17:38:42
Hi Ed, just wondering if you knew anything about these offers Xavi has on the table and whether Manchester United are looking at him.

Thanks, appreciated as usual.

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{Ed004's Note - I suspect he will have a few from mle sides and there has been none from Man Utd}

14 May 2014 12:13:19
A couple newspapers running with the story that we will bid for Indy and Hummels. Under Moyes we wanted Ginter and Mangala. Indy is also an accomplished LB, so could we be planning to use him as a back-up for Shaw when needed, meaning no need for Buettner and Evra?

Many media sources saying we no longer want Carvalho, that we have opened the door for other clubs to bid for him. I guess LvG doesn't want him and the rumours are correct. Things have certainly started hotting up. Fingers crossed we shop well this summer.

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I think it'll be a big mistake not getting Carvalho, especially if he goes to a PL club.

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I'd much rather have Ginter/Mangala + 1 more experienced centre back

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The worry is it would apparently take nearly £40 million to buy a player who has never played out of Europe and isn't tested on the big stages. It's a massive risk for a new manager to take and van Gaal won't want to start up by making a cock up. He doesn't really fit into his system either.

Don't know much about Indi but if he is holding down a starting spot for Holland aged 22 he can't be bad.

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Might be old paper talk but read that Juventus is open for bids for Vidal so maybe this could be a reason for the reported loss of interest in Cavalho.

I know who I would want out of the pair and also could be a cheaper option if these reports are right but won't be holding my breath :)

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{Ed004's Note - Vidal will cost easily 40 mill and I'd happily see the club pay that for him. Can't see it now utd have no European football but he is the exact type of driving force we require next season to get back to the top of the league. I'd sacrifice a forward signing and just get another cm, cb and lb if we got him}

Totally agree with you Ed would easily pay £40/45 million for him although I think the piece was quoting it as €40million.

Btw did you see who Sir Alex is sitting beside tonight? Conte :)

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{Ed004's Note - Suppose Ed 2 said not to rule him out. If he comes along with Vidal I won't be complaining. Aren't many Juve players I'd want tho maybe Pogba but he's got history here, Chiellini though would he adapt}

14 May 2014 11:02:04
Does anyone know who this lad Bruno Martins Indi is and if he's any good and have any interest in him? Or is it a case of being linked with anybody Dutch!

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{Ed002's Note - Feyenoord's Bruno Martins Indi is subject to interest from Manchester United, Roma, Milan and Everton. Manchester United are unable to buy any of their first choice centre backs and have made an enquiry about Martins Indi.}

Doesn't sound promising ed, unable to get our first targets

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Very interesting Ed thank you

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Ed by first choice centre backs who are you refering to?

thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - See above or below.}

So we are unable to buy Mangala and Ginter it seems. Focus to shift on Martins Indi, Hummels, Garay now?

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14 May 2014 12:18:05
Ed02, Transfermarkt have his primary position as a LB and secondary positions as CB. Could he be a "Ginter" type signing rather than a "Mangala" type signing. Buying him would also enable us to offload Buettner. What do you think? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Jones, Ivanovic, Smalling and lots of others are flexible.}

So it looks like Hummels, Mangala, Garay and Ginter are unavailable or are likely to be moving somewhere else.

Personally I really like Martins Indi and I put him forward as someone we should target months ago.

People I think are still getting caught up with the views of the previous managerial campaign.

van Gaal is a man who doesn't believe in age being a factor or whether someone is a big name signing. All he cares about is whether the player can play his system.

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Shappy, Moyes' plan was to sign Mangala as the main CB and someone like Ginter/Hinteregger as a cheaper option with potential. I think the plan now maybe Hummels as the main CB with Indy as the cheaper option with potential. It seems Garay is no longer seen as a target. Mangala is City or RM bound. Many papers saying we want both Hummels and Indy.

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14 May 2014 15:09:11
Your assuming that van Gaal also wants to bring in two new CB's. This may not be the case especially if the rumours that he sees Fellaini as a CB are true.

Could he move Fellaini to CB and bring in someone like Indi?

Ed02 has said that we are looking at Indi as our first choices aren't available. He also said that Hummels is unlikely to be allowed to leave this summer. I would put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4. We aren't going to be getting Hummels this summer.

Maybe then Martins Indi is now the main target.

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It would be somewhere for Fellaini to slot in. A bit like Martinez transformation at Barca from CM to CB? I think he is a bit too rash though if I am honest.

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A few newspapers broke the story this morning that we are going to bid for Hummels and Indi this summer.

Moyes wanted Mangala and Ginter/Hinteregger. I don't believe the Fellaini rumours personally.

I would be surprised if Indi was the main target, especially when we have serious funds to spend this summer.

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Shappy, perhaps Indi would be enough along with Jones, Evans, Smalling & Keane. I guess we need to find out if Indi is a battler like Vidic or a ball player like Ferdinand. If he is a battler like Vidic, then it's fair to say we will still need a ball player like Hummels.

Get on the case Shappy, find out if he's a Vidic or a Ferdinand.

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I've seen him a few times this season and he is the kind of ball playing centre back you would expect having spent all his career in the Netherlands, but he has very good strength and pace, he is a perfect blend of Vidic and Ferdinand imo, whether he'll get to their level remains to be seen. But with the right coaching and the right application from him he could be one of the best in the world. He isn't as fast or quite as strong as Mangala but he is much much better on the ball. My only concern about him is his lack of experience at the highest level.

I think just him alone could be enough this summer.

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Also you need to consider that van Gaal has never been the kind of manager to spend to a budget, just because there maybe 30m to spend on a CB that doesn't mean he'll sign someone for 30m. He will sign the players who he feels best fit into his system regardless of price. If that means he can get the right player for 10m rather than 30m then he'll sign the 10m player.

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Shappy, he won't get a £30m budget for a CB. But he will be well aware of the total budget that he will have this summer. I still think we will go for Hummels, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't. I'm starting to get the feeling we will see a few Dutch players signed over the next couple of seasons.

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Hummels is the main target, as baca are going all out for side show bob of Chelsea- persons lol

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I'm not saying he will have 30m to spend on a CB, but if the club give him a 150m to overhaul the squad he isn't the kind of manager just to spend money on a player for the sake of it. He will pick the right players for his system and he will pick players who play in positions where there aren't any outstanding youth players coming through as well.

Hummels may well be a target but with Lewandowski already leaving this summer Dortmund will do their best to hold on to their key players. He hasn't said he wants to leave and Dortmund don't want or need to sell him. It will take a huge bid to bring him to the club this summer and even higher wages considering our lack of UCL football.

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Then we should pay it. What's the point of having all this money to spend if you are not going to buy the best? We have spent the past five years buying potential. It's time to start paying big bucks for the big players.

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14 May 2014 23:36:27
Theres always a tipping point no matter how much you have to spend. What if Hummels would cost 45m and want wages of 240k per week to sign? Would you sign him then?

The club may have money to spend but that doesn't mean they should throw it around willy nilly.

They also want to sign a LB one or two midfielders and forward/winger.

If Shaw will cost 30m and Hummels more that 40m then that's over half the estimated budget, and there's nothing to say the budget might be 100m in which case we would have just 25-30m left to sign 2/3 players.

Its all about finding A balance. Maybe the asking price for Hummels is just too much considering the other areas we have to buy in.

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14 May 2014 06:46:46
Ed02, What's the latest with Hummels and Muller? Are we interested in either/both and can you see them moving this summer?

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona and Manchester United maintain an interest in both players should they become available.}

I don't see Barcelona going for Hummels if they wrap up Luiz

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona have a serious interest in Hummels. They have not approached Chelsea about Luiz.}