Manchester United Rumours Archive November 14 2010

14 Nov 2010 22:57:21
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@Ed i have also been hearing that the Ray Wilkins departure was a little more sinister than we all think, it was not just to save money on salaries put it that way. I am yet to hear why but it was Roman & Buck who ordered it with immediate effect, will you share the rumour if you hear it? {ed's note - I did hear a number of rumours, but I am not entirely sure I believe any of them. One being that he gave Jose info on the team before they played Inter last season and that he has been on the verge of the sack ever since. Another being that he is the one who told Kakuta to hold out because of United's interest. The others I wouldn't even repeat! But if I hear anything more concrete I will share it don't worry.}

@I believe if the first reason was true then he would have been sacked on the spot back in April, the second one would not be good news for United as that would mean Kakuka has grassed him up and is considering staying at Chelsea? Unless a third party told the Chelsea board? {ed's note - like I said I don't believe those particular rumours, I was just really giving an idea of a few that are flying around.}

14 Nov 2010 22:54:14
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Ed, now that Steve Bruce has come out and said that Fergie has spoken to him about Henderson, do you expect us to get him next summer? I, for one, hope we do not because I just don't believe the hype around him. He is no better than Cleverley, who is due to return in Jan, nor is he anywhere near the class of Jack Rodwell. I find it absolutely shocking that big teams are even looking at him. If we are to spend close to 20m on a young English midfielder, I would much rather it be on Rodwell. What do you think? {ed's note - I actually think he is a decent player, totally different from Rodwell and Cleverley though. I certainly expect him to join United IF he leaves, but I really don't expect him to leave Sunderland just yet.}

@Cleverley is a left & right winger but can play in the centre when needed, Rodwell is a very good player but will play mainly as a defensive midfielder i think? Henderson has bags and bags of energy, he is similar to Fletcher actually. He is certainly worth 15m.

What do you think ed? {ed's note - I think he is worth it myself, but I just don't think he will leave Sunderland yet.}

14 Nov 2010 22:31:21
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@Ed i have also been hearing that the Ray Wilkins departure was a little more sinister than we all think, it was not just to save money on salaries put it that way. I am yet to hear why but it was Roman & Buck who ordered it with immediate effect, will you share the rumour if you hear it? {ed's note - I did hear a number of rumours, but I am not entirely sure I believe any of them. One being that he gave Jose info on the team before they played Inter last season and that he has been on the verge of the sack ever since. Another being that he is the one who told Kakuta to hold out because of United's interest. The others I wouldn't even repeat! But if I hear anything more concrete I will share it don't worry.}

14 Nov 2010 21:51:25
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@Ed out of curiosity are you the Liverpool Ed or the United Ed? {ed's note - this is the Liverpool ed, the United ed isn't about tonight, he has one of those life things!}

LOL, nah i would prefer hearing the Kakuka rumour from a non United supporter than a United supporter as i know its a true rumour rather than a true rumour with a dash of hope involved, if you know what i mean? What a statement it would be if United nabbed Kakuka, it would be worth paying him 70k a week just to get one over on Chelsea, i have heard they will not budge on 25k a week. That is seriously low Ed isn't it?

Sydney! {ed's note - I wouldn't mind 25k a week! But for a player in the English top flight, it is low, most of the Arsenal youngsters get much more. I do think he has to be careful though, if he leaves purely for money it might destroy his career. He has to pick the right club.}

14 Nov 2010 21:27:32
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@Hi ed, i keep hearing that United have offered Kakuka a contract through his agent, i hear its double what Chelsea are prepared to offer him and United will sit down with him and his agent in January, have you or the other Eds heard any rumour regarding this story? Apparently Kakuka is not at all happy with the contract Chelsea have offered and Chelsea are not prepared to increase it.

What have you guys heard? {ed's note - I have been hearing rumours about this for a while now, it is a reverse of the Mikel story! Chelsea won't offer him first team wages because they are trying to reduce their wage bill, United have told his agent they will beat Chelsea's offer if he leaves them.}

14 Nov 2010 18:38:53
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Lennon to man united for a fee of 15 million plus carrick

marc albrighton 10 million plus hargreves

evra to madrid 20 million plus lassana diarria

fabio contrau 14 million

connor wickham 9 million plus drinkwater and bebe on loan

14 Nov 2010 16:21:25
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If were to sell rooney how much do u rekon we cud get for him personally I think we shud do sum big px with real madrid

14 Nov 2010 15:09:55
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Fergie seems to think he has the same team that won the CL in 2008. It virtually is, only 3 players are missing. .But them 3 players were key.

Owen Hargreaves - Injury, big player, great to stop opposition play. we need him back. If not, we need a replacement, Carrick will never be the player he is.

Ronaldo - Probably our best player of the past decade. He wrecked defenders, gave us constant attacking flare, and could pull a goal out of anywhere. Nani is great this season, don't get me wrong but cannot replicate what Ronaldo done. We need a replacement.

And finally, Carlos Tevez. Great player for us, really pitty he had to leave. He worked like no other player, real team player. If we had never bought Berbatov, Tevez would not have been let go, 30mill for a 'waster' as I would describe and 25mill for a key team player.


This summer we need crucially, an attacking midfielder with flare, speed and pace. Steven Defour looks like the most obvious, but I would also like to see Alexis Sanchez, small, fast and energetic. Our performance against Villa yesterday for 80mins was poor, we lacked any ideas going forward. Two front men had no support, shocking for a Manchester United side.

As for Berbatov, I think (hope) this season will be his last, unless he comes up with the goals he does not stand fit to wear the shirt, or even call himself a striker. Affelay could be brought in to bring United back to their favourite 4 up front.

And finally, we need a midfielder to boss the midfield. A player to allow Sanchez, Defour (whoever we buy) to run riot and clean up whatever comes his way. Ed, any ideas on a suitable strong, bold midfielder?
{Editor's note - Banega, Defour, and it is being reported that Schweinsteiger wants to leave Bayern}

14 Nov 2010 12:34:12
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""MUFC will sign Bastien Schweinsteiger in the summer on a free transfer. After Ballack has recommended OT to him. Whilst Madrid, Barca etc will all want him realistically they don't have room for him.
The wages will be covered by the retirement of Neville and possibly Van Der Saar. Giggs and Scholes will again play on for one more season.
Evra to go to madrid with Fabio stepping up to replace him""

@Schweinsteiger is contracted to Bayern until 2012, he cannot become free until then.

Sydney!

14 Nov 2010 12:31:37
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""I think we have crossed swords before on these topics. However, lets see whether Nike sign up to a big money new deal. They probably would have done when they could have an advert with Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Keane, Cantona, Cole , Yorke, household names , superstar names. However do you think they will really put massive money behind a team with Berbaflop and a tainted Rooney to front it? You may yes they will but we shall see.
You are very confident saying we will never fall out of the top 4, however the team of the first 80 mins yesterday was awful.
£165M in the bank doesn't win matches, also who is to say that the position stays the same. That was a snapshot of one moment , I bet after you have been paid your bank account looks ok, then all your bills go out.
You said we can refinance the deal at a lower yield? You mean interest rate, well who knows the conditions in the market in 2017. That is very presumptious in your statement. I think you have had explanations before that your statements are incorrect but chose to ignore them.
I do not wish to fall out with a fellow red but you are being over optimistic on the financial front and probably on the basis we continue to be as successful as we have been.
People seem to forget that turnover has increased but how much of that was based on successive European cup final appearances? When we are not getting those will turnover continue to increase. Perhaps is the answer but we should not assume a continued growth at the same rate we have done.

I do not think we will go bust , it would be sorted before that but do not share your confidence. Things may have to get worse before they get better both on and off the pitch.

Red Man""

@Same poster but writing in lower case, i have to disagree with you, when United signed the current Nike deal we never had Cole, Yorke, Ronaldo, Rooney or Tevez, we have Rooney, Hernandez, Vidic, Rafael, Nani & Valencia, in two years time all of these players will be world class. We will also have Pogba & Morrison breaking through by then and whoever we buy in the meantime, before the last United Nike deal, United bought Veron, this time they will also sign a deal sealer which is usually bought with Nike's money anyway.

Also you are wrong about the 165m, we know there is at least 70m in the bank as that is part of the bond prospectus. So that is two years worth of safety there. Our economy is irrelevant Red man, its America's economy which is important as its there where the Glazers will borrow from. From what i gather America's economy is now in decent shape.

As for being optimistic, NO i am being realistic, perhaps with a little bit of fingers crossed, we will break even by 2015 and we will also have no problem going along with the guidelines until then. We paid out 101m in 'ONE OFF' payments, payments which we will not have to pay next year. I recently wrote to Tony Atwood, a die hard Goon and very good financial businessman and i asked him about United's current state, he believes United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea (JUST) will meet the regulations. He also clarified for me that these 'ONE OFF' payments were really just that, one off!

He is a decent man, although he is a die hard goon, he has read the bond prospectus, United's financial accounts that are made public and he believes United along with Arsenal will cope with ease with these new rulings.

Sydney!

14 Nov 2010 11:33:47
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To whoever wrote
"YOU NUGGET, UNITED DO NOT HAVE TO PAY BACK THE 509.5M UNTIL 2017, SECOND OF ALL UNITED DO NOT EVEN NEED TO PAY IT OFF, WE CAN REFINANCE THE MONEY AT A LOWER YIELD AND EXTEND IT FOR A FURTHER SEVEN YEARS. UNITED MAY ONLY BE LIMITED TO SPENDING AROUND 25M A SEASON BUT WE ARE FAR FROM BEING IN DANGER OF GOING BUST!

YOU REALLY ARE DREAMING LAD. UNITED WILL HAVE A NEW NIKE DEAL IN A FEW YEARS TIME, AROUND 400M OVER 14 YEARS. UNITED ARE THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD MATE, AND WILL NEVER FALL OUT OF THE TOP FOUR, EVEN IF WE DID WE HAVE 165M IN THE BANK AS COVER."

Answer-
I think we have crossed swords before on these topics. However, lets see whether Nike sign up to a big money new deal. They probably would have done when they could have an advert with Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Keane, Cantona, Cole , Yorke, household names , superstar names. However do you think they will really put massive money behind a team with Berbaflop and a tainted Rooney to front it? You may yes they will but we shall see.
You are very confident saying we will never fall out of the top 4, however the team of the first 80 mins yesterday was awful.
£165M in the bank doesn't win matches, also who is to say that the position stays the same. That was a snapshot of one moment , I bet after you have been paid your bank account looks ok, then all your bills go out.
You said we can refinance the deal at a lower yield? You mean interest rate, well who knows the conditions in the market in 2017. That is very presumptious in your statement. I think you have had explanations before that your statements are incorrect but chose to ignore them.
I do not wish to fall out with a fellow red but you are being over optimistic on the financial front and probably on the basis we continue to be as successful as we have been.
People seem to forget that turnover has increased but how much of that was based on successive European cup final appearances? When we are not getting those will turnover continue to increase. Perhaps is the answer but we should not assume a continued growth at the same rate we have done.

I do not think we will go bust , it would be sorted before that but do not share your confidence. Things may have to get worse before they get better both on and off the pitch.

Red Man

14 Nov 2010 11:32:18
From southern red in exile

There is no money to0 replace players with world class players- despite promises and silly rumours.


Carrick and 'Berba' are not up to it.

Lucky for us the rest of the League, bar Chelsea, are so poor

14 Nov 2010 11:23:38
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Sunderland boss Steve Bruce has confirmed that Sir Alex Ferguson has spoken with him about Jordan Henderson.

14 Nov 2010 11:22:39
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Spurs are contemplating the sale of aaron lennon to raise funds for ashley young thoughts?

@Far too injury prone, and would carry a fee close to Sanchez's although he has one tenth of Sanchez's quality. If Spurs truly wanted to get rid of Lennon & Crouch, which i doubt, they would be used as makeweights for signings like Young.

Personally i believe Kranjcar, Keane, Bale & Bentley are up for sale, if Bale wasn't for sale then Harry would not keep setting prices for him, first it was 30m then 35m now he has said 50m, if he was not for sale he would not be pricing him up full stop. Young will replace Bale, Lennon will stay. VDV would be half the player without Crouchy so Crouchy will stay.

14 Nov 2010 11:15:09
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RAINFISHTROMBONE

Agree with you , we need a good no2 not a "yes boss" type.

That would be a start but there is a whole lot more needed

Red Man

14 Nov 2010 11:11:04
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So everyone, after watching yesterday will those who said Berbaflop was not a flop and in fact was worth every penny now finally admit we are watching a player who is causing the club and the manager a major problem. Fergie spent £30.75M on a player who has badly let down the club and the Manager who put his faith in him. Even Bflop's own team mates are having a go at him when as usual he lazily gives the ball away.
It is affecting the whole club because now Fergie doesn't see value in the market because he has been stung by Spurs and BFlop. Fergie has to make BFlop work or his own reputation is at stake. The other impact is that the tightwad Glazers have no doubt felt stung as well. That is likely one reason for changing the terms of buying players to under 26 promising players where their value is likely to increase, that is likely the Bflop impact.

Now don't tell me there is no value in the market compared to what we saw yesterday. There was no invention or creation out of midfield, flop was useless. Brown in defence was hopeless and there in lies another problem. Fergie likes "experience" so he went with Brown yet what we saw of DeLait was better than Brown, Fabio deserves a chance in front of Brown but no, there is a problem in Fergie's head with the younger players. Where is the Fergie of old giving kids a chance?

We have a problem, our manager is playing a player who patently deserves to be dropped altogether but because of Fergies own reputation he keeps persisting with BF, how long? How long will his fellow players put up with that yesterday let alone everyone else.

We already know that Fergie is not going to buy in January so get used to this.

The most obvious point here is that until United feel the pain of dropping down the table then real pressure will not be applied to the Glazers or to Fergie. The pain would come if we drop out of the top 4, with that pain would sweep in change because we cannot afford to be left behind and make no mistake Fergie's decisions not to buy in the last transfer windows have left us wide open to be left behind. We really are nowhere near the team we were just 18 months ago, noone fears us now, we are very nearly just another top 7 team.
There are some promising kids but we firstly hope they will make the big step and that Fergie will actually give them a chance. Even so his beligerance in the transfer market has left us in a position where we are unlikely to win the title this year again and unless the tightwad Glazers spend the sort of money we need in summer it is difficult to see a real challenge next season either.
What I saw for 80 mins yesterday was possibly the worst United side in 20 years.
Pain in not winning and dropping down the table will ramp up the pressure and when I see us play like the first 80 mins yesterday is the only thing that I can concentrate on to hope it will force the issue.
As every transfer window passes we need to spend more and more as we fall further back.
Sit and be unrealistically optimistic if you wish but I spy a real problem in the club and can't fully decide whether it is Fergie getting old and not having the guts to put kids in and spending well or whether it is the Glazers restricting him.
Either way it is doing our beloved club no good whatsoever.
Red Man

14 Nov 2010 09:23:41
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I am asking myself are Chelsea going to win the Premiership or are we simply going to give it away? RAINFISHTROMBONE

14 Nov 2010 08:22:17
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Ed will ronney play in the next game for united?. . .
also heard united to sign adam johnson.any truth?

14 Nov 2010 04:21:51
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Re [ 165 million in the bank ] that you have in the bank is going to pay 500 million in 4 years time [ 335 million to go lads ] , if you don't get champs football which is not too unrealistic you will fold just like leeds except much bigger numbers involved . you have no ronaldos to sell , maybe and a big maybe is rooney 60 million if your lucky so i predict a very bleak time for you . deep down what will really bother you lads is im writing the truth , something that your owners , manager and chief ece clearly don't want to say . yours faithfully . mr no name . [ not a city fan ]

14 Nov 2010 04:21:33
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Re [ 165 million in the bank ] that you have in the bank is going to pay 500 million in 4 years time [ 335 million to go lads ] , if you don't get champs football which is not too unrealistic you will fold just like leeds except much bigger numbers involved . you have no ronaldos to sell , maybe and a big maybe is rooney 60 million if your lucky so i predict a very bleak time for you . deep down what will really bother you lads is im writing the truth , something that your owners , manager and chief ece clearly don't want to say . yours faithfully . mr no name . [ not a city fan ]