Manchester United Rumours Archive September 14 2012

 

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14 Sep 2012 22:07:56
Am I the only one who thinks Anderson is better than Cleverley ?? I think he is better on the ball and actually has alot more ability. {Ed007's Note - Yes, yes you are. Sorry, unless you count Anderson, then there is 2 of you.}

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I think he has more potential than Cleverley but I think now with his injuries he will not reach his potential he showed when we brought him for 15m from Porto. Cleverley though less talented is and will stay a better player.

Dan {Ed007's Note - Is this some kind of secret society?}

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Haha one with 2 members apparently Ed. I think Anderson is just one of the the most unlucky players on the planet. Great start playing for us at 19, helped us win the champ league at 21, then he did his hamstring in and never progressed (may have even regressed). Ando got in the team at 19, Cleverley is struggling at 23 surely the stats speak for themselves. If Ando has an injury free season SAF gave him game time he could regain his class IMO. You don't pay 15m rising to 25m for a 19 year old for nothing!

Dan {Ed007's Note - Jay-Z has paid more for an ass like that!!! A-Lo.....}

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I second that, Ando is potentially way better than cleverly
DJ

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I hope you eat your word's Ed007.Anderson did look good at first, i hope he can start a fresh and make a lot of us eat our word's. {Ed007's Note - We'll need to be quick!! Is it an all you can eat deal?}

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Anderson is potentially a great footballer, just a little unlucky with injuries. If he can have a season free of injury he will go on to do great things.

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Ando is well better

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Anderson is not unlucky. He does little to look after himself, hence, why he is always injured.

Anderson attempts to drive forward at every opportunity but Cleverley uses the ball better. He moves the ball in all directions, not just towards the goal

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Ooohh - Ed007 is being a fatist ! Does ed002 agree with such discriminatory behaviour?
:)
Mike {Ed002's Note - More tubbyist, and that's OK. If he has a humongous ass (like Ed007) so be it.}

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Please stop going on about andos potential !!! we have been waiting for it since he arrived!! he was a bad buy, end of. look at rooney/ronaldo/scholes/giggs , you either got it or you havent, get rid and bring in some class for christ sake, and while we at it, get rid of carrick/ando/cleverley/nani/ they re either garbage or to frustrating, im sick of waiting for players to reach there POTENTIAL!! BS.

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Anderson has more potential/talent and Cleverly has more determination/hardwork. They both lack what each other has and unfortunately I think it means that neither of them will be as good as any of us first hoped.

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At the start of last season Anderson looked better than Cleverly. Since then neither has had enough time to do much due to injuries, the fact that Cleverly has recovered quciker means he is everyones mind at the moment, playing for England etc. But he hasn't been great, just ok so far. Given the choice I would rather a fit Anderson than a fit Cleverly, just about time our Physios did something about it.

I'm very concerned about the constant injuries being picked up by our young players (as well as older come to think of it), maybe there is something wrong with our training methods, but it seems our players always seem to be picking up niggling injuries in training, more so than other top clubs.

Anderson will be immense this season if he stays injury free.

Sween

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To the poster above saying he's sick of waiting for players to reach their potential. What a disgraceful comment. Please go support Man City or PSG.

You see potential and try and nurture it. Sometimes it works (Ronaldo) sometimes it doesn't (maybe Anderson). That's been Uniteds way for a long time and it has brought success. It's not the first time they've stuttered and gone through a season without a trophy.

I won't say fans like you ruin football, more so give it a bad name.

KP

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I could be far better as well, but if I don't stay fit for more than a few weeks in a row, it's a moot argument.

DJ

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I'd just like to point out the responses are more or less 50/50 so on that basis , as a community we have decided there both equally talented yet frustrating. The votes have spoken and we have to respect that . Let's hope they can work together and deliver consistently ! SHANDY !

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Should have a poll of the week

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KP , it didnt take 5 seasons to nurture ronaldo as you put it, how many more seasons do we wait for ando to realise his potential? or is it he is simply not good enough to play for utd..ronaldo was born with golden feet, not quite the same comparison to ando really.

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I wasn't comparing the players abilities. I was comparing the way Manchester United purchase players with potential to try and nurture them.
Also I'm not saying that Anderson is brilliant and the future of the team or anything like that. I was just irked by the comment stating that they are sick of waiting for a player to reach their potential.

Anderson has plenty of potential when purchased and unfortunately is made out of glass. But was definitely worth a punt

So to clarify: My point is Manchester United buys young players with potential to nurture them into great players that plays the Manchester United way. Always have and always will. If you want a team that buys readily proven players that go go straight in you the Blue side of Manchester may be for fitting for you.

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14 Sep 2012 15:34:34
Do you think Gary Neville would be considerd in the same bracket as scholes and giggs? I know he's a legend at the club. But a different type of player. Just never seems to get mentioned like the 2 of them if you know what I'm saying?

GD {Ed007's Note - Defenders are often (wrongly IMO) overlooked in such conversations.}

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Good point tbf. In terms of number of appearances, consistency, work ethic and passion I'd have to put him up there. How many RB's in the PL established themselves and performed as consistently as Neville did for so long? Not many. But like the Ed says, defenders tend to get overlooked which is harsh

Gav

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GARY NEVILLE IS A LEGEND!!
in his day best right back in the world!!

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Apart from maybe Cafu at the time.

Supasub

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And he would have had more apps if not for all those injuries at the end.

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Withut the injuries, I think he would have more caps than Beckham. Such a shame his career sort of fizzled out but what a brave decision to realise it was time to retire. Top bloke.

AJH

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What you on about injuries? I watched Gary Neville play for over 10 years before he started to succomb to any injuries. He hardly missed agame for years. Legend!

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IMO him, Scholes and Giggs deserve some kind of statue at OT. I exclude Beckham because anyone that leaves for Madrid is no longer a legend no matter what and that includes Ronaldo (of course I would still welcome him back ;) ).

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To me Neville will always be the best right back I've ever seen. Maybe not technically but great balls of steel and more than anything he epotomised Utd

Pardoe

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Gary neville is a legend when he played you knew he was good enough to snuff out anyone and you were always getting 110% every game be it the Liverpools or a championship club in the cup quality player

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G.neville,giggs,scholes,keane,cantona,god we are blessed to of been born reds! :)

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Although I'll add to my comment further up that as a potential team-mate I'd rather have the Neviller than Cafu because if you got "taken out" you know he'd be straight in there 100% or would get them back where possible later in the game. Didn't have the most talent and he'd admit that but had the brains and awareness. Enjoy his punditry now more than any other and he's surprisingly fair.

Supasub

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14 Sep 2012 13:02:09
I see a lot of "the youth are not being given a chance" posts. I find it quite funny. Comparing Sterling getting a chance at Liverpool to United's youth not being played? Really? Liverpool are a midtable team with a small squad with no options on the wings, throwing Sterling in at the deep end was the only option they had.

How many inexperienced Youth products are Real Madrid playing in their first team? Or Man City, Chelsea (our competition for the league) for that matter? The answer is almost none. If you want to compare with other teams, compare with those who are in similar situations and trying to compete at the top end. Yet at United we see Cleverley and Wellbeck who have been developed the right way being given a lot of games.

Its difficult to develop youth in the EPL and play them as well due to the physical nature of the league. SAF is doing it the right way and letting them fully grow up, bulk up a bit and get them experience via loans before throwing them into the first team. We have a league to win, this isn't Liverpool where a youth product having a couple of great games is the only excitement the fans can get. The situation in 92 was completely different to what we are in now.

Paul Pogba was always going to leave to Juventus, SAF couldn't have played a player who he knew was going to leave. Morrison wasn't given a chance by SAF? Seriously, people should look into what SAF has done for Morrison before making such immature remarks. Morrison only has himself to blame.

The likes of Lingard are not physically ready yet. Its too obvious to see. They would get slaughtered against a Fellaini or a Davis and we would have a lot of kneejerk reactions about youth not being good enough.

REDFAITH

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Redfaith agree with most of what you say but the reasons the 3 teams you mentioned dont play youth is that they dont need to,you only have to look at there midfields compared to ours to see why
johndenton

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Excellent post and correct on every point. People blame SAF for not playing Pogba, yet Ed002 has made it very clear that Pogba had no intention of signing an extension and talk of him leaving started before last season even kicked off. One mistake I think the manager made was not taking him on the US tour during preseason, but then again did the club know what Pogba and his reps were planning?

Sydney!

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Well said.

Also youth can be played too early and then look at the trouble they have.

For example look at Owen, in the first team at Liverpool at 17/18 then into the England team and played non stop for the next 6 years. And look at his career over the last 6 years. Did it help him playing at 18?

Look at the likes of Vaughan, Rodwell and others at Everton. Wilshire at Arsenal, hasn't been properly fit for 2 years. Cesc had plenty of injury issues as well at Arsenal.

Sometimes players just aren't ready.

Pogba, yes was a shame but the full story hasn't emerged there yet i feel. Did he jump ship after the Blackburn game with Rafael in midfield, or did Fergie already know he was going so didn't bother playing him?

Morrison, well he had enough chances and blew them all.

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Hey that was a cheap shot at liverpool ;-)

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Yes a cheap shot at Liverpool - next season they will be high up the table

the Championship table

Mike

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I disagree sydney, the correct story has never come out about pogba, its all just hear say.....ferguson had plenty of opportunities to play him and he didnt, everyone that saw him play for the reserves knew he could cut it at the top yet ferguson did not appear so reluctant to do so.......throwing him in at the deep end and sticking with him would have been the best thing for him, instead we have to watch him play like a monster thinking to ourselves 'if only' we had him playing in the centre of our midfield this season what a force we would be........

whenever pogba released that statement a couple of years ago about wanting to establish himself as a first team player for years to come went on deaf ears it seems in the old trafford hierarchy.....

its a case of fergie not trusting the inexperience of him which is why he jumped ship...if your good enough and you feel that you are ready for first team football and you dont want to wait about another season playing reserve football then the lad had every right to move to a successful team in which he was going to be guaranteed first team football.....him and pirlo are going to be some force to try and compete against this year!!

our current midfield wont stand a chance against them, nor against most of the other teams with dominating midfields

we have been dominated by fulham and everton already, struggled against southampton as well.....

hopefully fellaini will be snapped up in january!

Robbo

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A few other players to throw into the burnt out list are Joe Cole and unfortunately Wayne Rooney - Joe Cole because he was very exciting to start with and Rooney takes forever to return from a slight knock and he is not match fit for months. Hence these long runs of not playing well, then doing well for a few games before picking up a knock or getting suspended. The old Denilson was another one.

You have to be very special indeed to get 10+years of quality football as an attacking player when starting so young for a top team.

Giggs is an enigma although he has been a passenger/bit-part for the past 5+ years to be fair and has dropped back, but still a quality influence and bonus to have around.

Players need to be brought into the first 11 of top teams gradually otherwise they will inevitably run out of steam towards their late 20's. If they haven't got a naturally suitable lean build (Rooney), it could be sooner as we are currently witnessing.

Sween

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That was an honest observation about Liverpool.

I think we need to trust the manager and his assistants. Muelensteen and Joyce are very good coaches and know what they are doing. SAF isn't too bad either ;)

Just think we should have faith in the management and the youth players he deems ready. Anyway have a great night lads, but I am off out for a few drinks.

Sydney!

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Robbo, you can disagree with or believe what you want regarding Pogba. But we know the editor has very close associates in France, him and his ex wife know several agents personally. He has told us exactly what Pogba's and his reps plan was months before it happened. As did our manager. I know who I believe.

Sydney!

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I tend to agree with this post.

My only grumble is when we give time to older squad players who need gametime over our youth, like happened in the CC last season. Having said that I think we've got less of those peripheral players in the squad this season so the youth should get a better run out. Just a shame we've drawn Newcastle in the 1st round of the Cap1 Cup - would have been nice to have drawn lesser opposition really!

Gav

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One thing you cant trust Fergie in, if they are good enough they are old enough. Whatever the story with Pogba, the kid is an person. He was right on the fringes and would have got his chances this season I velieve, more than he will at Juventus, seen them play twice no Pogba playing ;) Although original poster gone a bit lairy withe the tiresome Liverpool mid table small team gibberish and the other teams dont need to look at there midfield ( I would say look at there wallets) generally I would agree with the rest. From the small amount I have seen of our youngsters are any of them ready yet? We often get kids over hyped and look how lon git has taken Cleverly and Welbeck to get into the side. I dont personally see any of our youngsters physically ready to step up let alone developed enough talent wise. We do appear to have some bery talented players 2-4 years away from the first team squad but we also have a few over hyped ones I doubt will ever make it at this club.
Invisible STuey

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Ed do you know the reason for Pogba wanting to leave? Did he fall out with team members or something? His agent seemed reall determined to move him to Juve as well I think he is close friends with the chairman and also represents a lot of man city players.... massive conflicts of interest!

Dan {Ed002's Note - I can't see any conflict of interest. Pogba was advised that it would be better to move than to stray at Old Trafford. THis advice did not come solely from his agent but from a third party previously associated with Manchester United. We dealt with this a while back.}

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14 Sep 2012 11:54:54
There is a story in Italy today that SAF had personally contacted Jetro Willems about a movein the last few weeks. Could be something to happen in January?
With Buttner coming in, Fabio getting good experience on loan, could Evra's days be numbered?

Supasub

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It may be the case that fergie approached him a few weeks back, and things may not have went according to plan, hence why buttner was signed.....

I cant see evra going until next season.....

if fabio does well i cant see williams coming in, thats only if buttner is coming along also....if buttner/fabio doesnt impress then they may be loaned/sold and i could then see the likes of williams being signed to compete with fabio / buttner

Robbo

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Or Blackett may be prom oted from the reserves if he is ready then. He will be 19 nearly 20 next season and with SAF taking him on pre season he obviously has plans for him.

Dan

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Like Dan said Evra could be sold next summer and we would still have 2 Lbs in Fabio and Buttner without including Blackett.

Dan

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14 Sep 2012 10:13:00
Anyone know anything about this vadila guy from betis were linked with
Super decs

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Ligament injury but supposed to be the next Ronaldo. I am always suspicious buying Spanish players because no doubt most of them would want to return to Barca or Real when the establish themselves enough.

Dan

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