Manchester United Rumours Archive June 15 2015

15 Jun 2015 21:04:54
Interesting post about our renewed link to Clyne on Liverpool site

16 Jun 2015 02:19:00
Funny how a lot of them don't seem to rate him

{Ed001's Note - if you had seen the way Lovren struggled out of that well drilled defensive unit, then took the time to watch them and the way they work, with that in mind, you would start to be less happy about buying anyone from that defence. They are a fantastic unit, but individually none of them are special. The full backs have a huge amount of cover from midfield, particularly Wanyama, but also wide men, allowing them to get away with not being so good defensively and making the use of their attacking qualities. Clyne would not get that protection at Liverpool.}

16 Jun 2015 09:38:56
Thanks Ed, never thought about that! Maybe we're better off without him. Dunno who else there is though! Munich seem to be closing in on that lad from Torino.

Good point about cover Wanyama offers - and indeed Schneiderlin, who I think they missed terribly when he was injured. So if we get Schneiderlin, would that help Clyne? Though any RB we get shouldn't need to have a "minder" on the pitch next to him.

{Ed001's Note - I would expect them to get more protection at United, I was just explaining why he would not be such a good fit at Liverpool. I actually think he might do well joining you.}

16 Jun 2015 09:51:49
I think we overpaid big time for Shaw for the reasons Ed001 has just mentioned.

15 Jun 2015 17:22:51
Just wondering if any of the eds know who is a realistic target for RB. Now that Dani Alves signed a new contract at Barca and our supposed interest in Clyne going away.

{Ed004's Note - I would guess Clyne or Coleman}

16 Jun 2015 09:43:43
Gregory van der Wiel should imo be one of the top targets for RB. Him or Matteo Darmian would be best placed, maybe Santiago Arias as an outside bet.

I'm not totally convinced by Clyne, and I don't think its worth paying the money it would cost for Coleman. Full backs aren't game changers so we shouldn't be spending upward of 25m on them. 15-20m should be the most we pay for a full back. Luke Shaw may well become one of the best full backs in the world but he will never truly live up to the fee we paid for him. Not when you consider we could have signed Layvin Kurzawa or Ricardo Rodriguez for half of what we paid for Shaw and they are both currently better players and have just as much potential.

16 Jun 2015 09:51:37
I'd like to see Clyne here, or Coleman. But they will be expensive and if it means less money is spent on forward positions and midfield then I would want neither and would go for a cheaper player like Van der Weil who is a decent right back by all accounts.

16 Jun 2015 14:06:56
How about the Dutch lad at Newcastle.yes there defence was dodgy last year butlvg knows him, he actually was one of there better players and with better round him would improve.
Of course he is also Dutch!!

{Ed001's Note - Janmaat? He is a better all round player I think, just not playing in a good unit.}

16 Jun 2015 21:24:32
I think £20-25m for Coleman is a great price. We haven't replaced Neville, he is a replacement.
Defending and attacking are both consistantly good from Coleman. I don't know if u noticed, but we seem to create lots of space down the right too.

{Ed025's Note - he was awful last season patzi, he started believing his own hype for me..and is a miserable sod as well..

15 Jun 2015 12:20:58
So Firmino's agent has come and said that he has agreed a move to a Premier League club.

Are we not the only ones to show an interest? I guess a team like Chelsea may also be interested but I think we may have sealed our second deal of the window.

{Ed004's Note - Could be Man City}

15 Jun 2015 12:34:24
Ed004, I am sure that Firmino will learn from robinho's blunder :)

{Ed004's Note - I haven't seen enough of Firminio to see how good a player he is}

15 Jun 2015 13:16:00
Well if he does come to us then we know Pereira won't get a look in this season.

15 Jun 2015 13:22:29
Please tell us if it's us ed 002.

{Ed004's Note - He is not commenting on this page anymore}

15 Jun 2015 14:16:17
Ed004 couldn't u ask him on a ed to ed basis mate?
mayb Ed001 knows?

{Ed004's Note - I will ask but can't promise anything}

15 Jun 2015 14:32:18
Cheers

15 Jun 2015 14:45:49
From what I have seen (which isn't many games) he is a real talent, decent goal scorer and great vision.

Brazilian's never do well here though which is a concern!

15 Jun 2015 15:36:26
I seem to remember Ronaldo doing pretty well against us when he scored a hat trick in the champions league,, juninho did ok at boro,

15 Jun 2015 16:15:17
Yes haha, they do well against us but we don't have a good history with them!

I'd love to see a real world class attacking midfielder who has the ball tied to his foot. Would add so much to our play and in my opinion, if physically strong enough, should be able to play in our middle 3.

Does anyone think that Firmino in could mean Mata out? Perhaps used in a deal for Otamendi?

15 Jun 2015 16:34:42
I believe ed002 made a comment on the city page that a transfer of Firmino to City is looking less likely as there is growing interest from elsewhere, fingers crossed its us, good player

15 Jun 2015 16:40:10
Coutinho ain't half bad either

15 Jun 2015 17:04:55
Fresh I suggested the mata otmaendi swap deal over a week ago and got shot down.

It makes sense to me. Firmino is more versatile and quicker than mata. As I said then, would hate to see the little magician go, but if it means more balance in the team, maybe it needs to happen.

More pace, more robust cb, big wages off the books. Seems to make sense.

15 Jun 2015 17:52:38
Don't think it's us (Chelsea). Ed002 commented on our page that the club (i.e. Chelsea) dropped their interest in him. So you don't have to fear us, lads ;-)
Great player though, he'd be a very good acquisition. However I don't really see a place for him in the team right now. If Mata moves, then that's a whole different story.

15 Jun 2015 18:03:00
Wow guys, I can't believe no-one has mentioned Liverpool as a possible destination. :O)

15 Jun 2015 19:48:14
Ed002 ruled out a liverpool move for Firmino, stating there is no interest! :O)

15 Jun 2015 16:40:41
Plus ed004 I read on liverpool page that ed002 said they have no interest in Firmino so looks increasingly likely he will be on his way to UTD

17 Jun 2015 13:13:32
id hate to see mata leave as he is an awesome player but i think he does slow things down on a counter attacking basis. maybe firminho will do the sale role but a lot quicker and is younger and also quicker