Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:35:50
Sydney! {ed's note - no one knows, there is no real comparisons to make, but UFC and WWE make millions off their streaming subscribers. I would expect United to be able to better them.}
@With a reported 333 million supporters worldwide, United could make a buck or two couldn't they! What will it be? Streaming live games on mobiles & computers for monthly fees? Or pay as you watch each individual game?
Sydney! {ed's note - I would expect both options to be available and the figures involved could easily surpass TV revenue in time.}
@Real Madrid would be breaking the £400m barrier.
Sydney! {ed's note - I am not so sure, they make most of their money through separate TV deals. This is going to affect TV revenue massively. People are not going to subscribe to TV channels and internet channels are they?}
Manchester United Rumours Archive February 16 2011
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Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:30:51
Sydney! {ed's note - no one knows, there is no real comparisons to make, but UFC and WWE make millions off their streaming subscribers. I would expect United to be able to better them.}
@With a reported 333 million supporters worldwide, United could make a buck or two couldn't they! What will it be? Streaming live games on mobiles & computers for monthly fees? Or pay as you watch each individual game?
Sydney! {ed's note - I would expect both options to be available and the figures involved could easily surpass TV revenue in time.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:19:38
Would you accept the Evra to Madrid deal if it involves Marcelo?
Click believable if you would/ Unbelievable if you would'nt.RedDevilGirl
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:20:54
Sydney! {ed's note - online streaming rights mate.}
@What sort of yearly figures are we talking about Ed?
Sydney! {ed's note - no one knows, there is no real comparisons to make, but UFC and WWE make millions off their streaming subscribers. I would expect United to be able to better them.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 22:54:39
Qatar Holdings have now publicly announced that they have not bid and will not be bidding for Manchester United.
There it is all over the web and in the papers tomorrow, end of story. Like I have said all along. Glazers here for the long long haul. Technology advances in the next couple of years, will see us back on the top of the pile. This is what Rooney was told about during the contract negotiations
Thank God we can now draw a line under it all.
Mike the Moston Red
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To be honest (as usual) you are already top of the pile Mike. The new tv/ streaming money kicks in 2013. Were LFC and Man'ure will be streets ahead of anyone else, because of our fanbase. Which is probably one of the reasons the Glazers are reluctant to sell. That's why Hicks tried so hard to refinance us, because he knew this money was on it's way.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:02:41
In reply to:
"Qatar Holdings have now publicly announced that they have not bid and will not be bidding for Manchester United.
There it is all over the web and in the papers tomorrow, end of story. Like I have said all along. Glazers here for the long long haul. Technology advances in the next couple of years, will see us back on the top of the pile. This is what Rooney was told about during the contract negotiations
Thank God we can now draw a line under it all.
Mike the Moston Red"
You gullable little boy.
MPez
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:03:23
Is Redfaith really Editor's Note?
{Editor's Note: I don't know - but she is a cute kid.}
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I beg to differ. I heard she's a buck toothed rat who is fluent in Hungarian and Spanish. But then again, it's a rumour site so it could just be a rumour.
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:06:36
Only my thoughts nothing concrete but i see fabio coentrao joinig united because giggs only has a few seasons left in him he can cover at left back and is versatile enough to play in the middle, also anderson is still young and cost a fair bit so saf wouldn't buy him for no reason
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 23:07:39
"There it is all over the web and in the papers tomorrow, end of story. Like I have said all along. Glazers here for the long long haul. Technology advances in the next couple of years, will see us back on the top of the pile. This is what Rooney was told about during the contract negotiations"
@Ed, what do you make of these technological advances matey is talking about?
Sydney! {ed's note - online streaming rights mate.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 19:29:46
Hello you footy accountant/ world finance analysts and former UTD supporters. . .just thought instead of talking PIKS?LOANS?DEBTS?TAKEOVERS etc that perhaps we could talk Footy. . .I am on the right site aren't I?
Anyway Transfer confusion in Jan Transfer window was as a result of 2 deals failing at last hurdle and only because personal terms with 1 player was delayed. . allow me to elaborate. .we were getting Bale. . (whose terms where not completed). .and good old Harry was getting Charlie Adam. . that's why there was so much activity at Bloomfield and Spurs at the death and the 2 didn't link up coz Bale didn't finalise. . these Transfers are now on for Summer. . .Bale to us. . .FACT, Adam to Spurs. . FACT.
Nico.
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 18:53:22
Have to agree with the Ed here.this Sydney characters stretching what's written here to breaking point, nowhere in this piece does it mention it was two players from one club, it is only a badly rewrite of what saf said himself, you would have to be a complete moron to believe whoever wrote this has some inside knowledge that fergie doesn't and Is dropping us a hint, it's just badly written, get a grip!
Ste73
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 15:39:51
16 Feb 2011 11:15:12
Wayne Rooney isn't 27 years old for a start
He's 26 you onion. . .
valued at 30 million euro's. . . . enough said about this rumour. . . . .
16 Feb 2011 10:16:15
Real Madrid chairman Florentino Perez is interested in Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney, who is worth 30 million Euros.
& Man united The Premier League table toppers are ready to break the club's transfer record to land the 27 year old and could offer up to £33.6m ( 40m),
reddevil aj
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Your the onion mate because hes 25!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 15:02:15
You are completely wrong about Arsenal. Their financial model does not involve debt from the owners but while our money (around 50mil in interest and management fees) goes out, their money from their profits goes out to their greedy shareholders in dividends while Arsene is left scraps to spend. The reason this is not VISIBLE to the supporters and the rest of the world is because dividends are accounted separately after the financial results are announced. So Arsenal post 55mil profits but a HUGE chunk of that goes to their shareholders with Arsene being left somewhere in the region of 15-20mil to spend. Also a BIG part of their revenue is property sales, which they won't be able to do in a few years, so that will be gone as well.
@Hi Red mate, Arsenal post pretax profits of £56m, do you have any idea what they were left with after that? I don't but I do know that Arsenal's investors take between £25m-£30m every season. So I think they are realistically left with less than £12m. Wenger only ever spends biggish when he has sold players on. This is why.
Sydney!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 12:44:34
Sydney! {ed's note - it has been very ambigously worded all the way through, it could mean anything. January is a very difficult time to buy players, no one wants to lose players mid-season.}
@I completely agree, but it does clearly mean that it's two or more players from one club, would you agree with that? If that is the case, then giving the fact that United are constantly watching Dortmund, even during training sessions. Could Goetze & Kagawa be the targets?
Sydney! {ed's note - no, I think it was ambigously worded to allow it to cover players from multiple clubs or one club. Either way the writer can say he was right.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 12:35:32
UNITED PROMISE TO SPEND BUT WHAT DO THEY NEED?
Although Manchester United have promised to flash the cash this summer, question marks remain as to what targets Sir Alex has actually identified to strengthen his good, but not great side.
With replacing the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Edwin van der Sar key to United continuing to enjoy success further down the line, the question is who would United be prepared to trust to come in and act as readymade replacements for these legends, especially as the Premier League betting suggests next season will be a close one.
However, although these players may need to be replaced, there is also the question as to whether the likes of Anderson and Johnny Evans are capable of stepping up to the level required to replace the huge personalities of the men departing Old Trafford. Should they not be replaced successfully and United start to slip away from the younger sides such as Arsenal and Manchester City, then the Red Devils may have to invest significantly more money on players then the Glazer family would want to do, or perhaps can afford to do. The Manchester United betting suggests they'll win the title this season, but there are no guarantees about next campaign.
Despite this, Fergie claims that he has already managed to set his sight on his targets and the only reason they are not already at the club is because their current club was not prepared to do a deal with United during the January transfer window. With Fergie having previously said that he was happy enough with his current squad, it will be extremely interesting to see which elements he is not quite as happy with as he looks to once again bring through another crop of players who can continue to bring in trophies to Old Trafford.
@Ed, if I draw you to one sentence in this piece;
"Fergie claims that he has already managed to set his sight on his targets and the only reason they are not already at the club is because their current club was not prepared to do a deal with United during the January transfer window"
Does this sound like it's two or more players from the same club? Could this be Goetze & Kagawa?
Sydney! {ed's note - it has been very ambigously worded all the way through, it could mean anything. January is a very difficult time to buy players, no one wants to lose players mid-season.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 11:24:23
Barkroth is nothing like Hamsik! He is a very quick, not overly technical player. Hamsik isn't too quick but has good technical ability. .
Besides "the new Hamsik"?! Let the 'old' Hamsik do something first!
Sydney! My man, quick Q for you, you seem to know the rezzies more than most. . . I think some of those boys are gifted but 2-3 years away from regular first team action, what are they currently like physically? Still boys, or ready?
*Welcome to Salford*
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 11:15:12
Wayne Rooney isn't 27 years old for a start
He's 26 you onion. . .
valued at 30 million euro's. . . . enough said about this rumour. . . . .
16 Feb 2011 10:16:15
Real Madrid chairman Florentino Perez is interested in Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney, who is worth 30 million Euros.
& Man united The Premier League table toppers are ready to break the club's transfer record to land the 27 year old and could offer up to £33.6m ( 40m),
reddevil aj
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 11:18:33
Sydney, rainfish has a good point, if they are interested they will not want to openly admit this. It could have several negative affects such as attracting renewed interest from other parties, forcing the price up. Also if they were to publicly admit an interest and were unsuccessful then it would look like a failure. There are obviously people who are benefitting from such stories being printed, whether or not it is the qataris, the glazers or just lazy jounolists is unknown. I for one hope it is true, i feel that the information posted regarding the bonds valuation increase is very promising as people within finance are smart and are putting their money on a sale, just hope if all goes well we don't do a city, just spend within our means! Maybe the qataris could hire the glazers to continue promoting the business and commercial side, which they have been remarkably successful at! Surely only a thing off dreams.
J
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 11:03:01
So they are benefiting just as royally as the Glazers.
With United due to issue their quarterly accounts later this month in compliance with the regulations of the bond, it is possible that the Glazers will formally record their insistence that the club is not for sale.
But until then, both the Americans and the Qataris will continue to benefit from the mutually advantageous publicity, which is a victory for both parties. RAINFISHTROMBONE
@If that was the case then why have the Qatari's denied trying to purchase United? Surely if they wanted to use this link as an advert, they wouldn't deny it?
Sydney!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:50:22
Lets finally stop all this nonsense about the Glazers selling the club to the Quatari Royal Family. Nobody would be happier than myself to see those leaches out of the club but I can see what is really happening. The Glazers, with a £520m bond to service over the next six years, have no intention of offloading United before their expectation of a lucrative explosion in global mobile phone rights becomes a reality.
With the Qataris apparently desperate to spend £1.6 billion to buy United, the Glazers find themselves with a handy public valuation of the club if or when they next go to the banks for funds.
With United valued at £790m when the Glazers completed their leveraged takeover in May 2005, few banks would think twice before offering re-financing with an asset worth £1.6 billion in the Glazer portfolio.
So the Glazers win both ends up. They either sell to the Qataris for double the original purchase price or they use United as platinum-plated collateral.
As for the Qataris, having controversially secured the rights to stage the 2022 World Cup, every mention of their apparent interest in United guarantees continuing global publicity for the tiny emirate.
It is a free ad for a country which wants the world to know that, not only does it possess mammoth gas reserves, it is also intent on becoming a major player on the sporting scene.
With the World Cup safely tucked away for the next 11 years, the next best thing in terms of positive spotlight on Qatar is the repeated links with United.
Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al Thani, the Emir of Qatar, will doubtless have noted how Abu Dhabi's global resonance has rocketed since Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan bought Manchester City in Sept 2008.
Premier League football generates huge publicity on a global scale and Abu Dhabi has benefited from that.
Sheikh Mansour may have invested almost £1 billion into City in two-and-a-half years, but it has been worth it for the Abu Dhabi brand.
Currently, Qatar have not spent a penny on Manchester United and they might never do so, but they are riding the wave of publicity.
So they are benefiting just as royally as the Glazers.
With United due to issue their quarterly accounts later this month in compliance with the regulations of the bond, it is possible that the Glazers will formally record their insistence that the club is not for sale.
But until then, both the Americans and the Qataris will continue to benefit from the mutually advantageous publicity, which is a victory for both parties. RAINFISHTROMBONE
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:44:00
Ferguson is also ready to offer the likes of Federico Macheda or Anderson in part exchange for daniel rossi.
reddevil aj
@Mate you shouldn't listen to anything 'Caughtoffside' have to say, they talk complete garbage. This whole story is completely fabricated from thin air just because they think Hargreaves is retiring.
Sydney!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:38:51
MPez {ed's note - all Bloomberg have said, that I have seen, is that the value of the bond has shot up on the back of rumours the club is about to be sold.}
Does this potentially mean that we would have less debt to pay off when the bonds mature if they stay at there current value
can any1 explain?
@From what I gather, we still have to pay the same amount of interest and the same amount back to the bond holders, but for each of the bond holders, they could sell their bonds on now and make a small profit. The reason why is because 'IF' a sale went through, the new owners would have to pay a premium on getting rid of the bonds (for settling them early) and the bond investors would make a tidy profit.
Nothing has really changed, although the financial top cats are convinced something is brewing. I hope they are right.
Sydney!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:16:15
Real Madrid chairman Florentino Perez is interested in Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney, who is worth 30 million Euros.
& Man united The Premier League table toppers are ready to break the club's transfer record to land the 27 year old and could offer up to £33.6m ( 40m),
reddevil aj
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:18:07
Ferguson is also ready to offer the likes of Federico Macheda or Anderson in part exchange for daniel rossi.
reddevil aj
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 10:14:20
Manchester United in the auction for IFK Gotheborg 19 year old attacking midfielder Niklas B rkroth.new Hamsik"
Red devil aj ( source : football press net)
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 07:14:23
That's a load of bull. Evra looks like he's fully committed to United and Real would, at the moment, be a step down. That added to the fact Baines is a Liverpool supporter and wouldn't be too keen on signing up.
Baines is not a Liverpool supporter he is an everton supporter there was a story saying he supported Liverpool but it was untrue and he confirmed he is a everton fan
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 07:27:23
Its nothing to do with evra's commitment. I argued that point when i heard it myself. But if your offered 18mill for a 30 year old its not bad buisness. And just cos hes a liverpool fan means nothing. He plays for everton! Owen was a blue! Fowler was also! Like i said, its a rumour in the pubs. Jamesmack8
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 02:13:17
Let me be the 1st to congratulate you on getting new owners. You will not have to listen to the Glazers, Sydney's and Redfaith's BS anymore, and i for one am grateful to the Qatari Royal family. Now you just need to get Ngiak sanctioned, and all will be rosie in the fields of OT.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Ps. Congratulations!
*Getting Ngiak sectioned would be the first stop ;-)
TK-Red
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 02:16:12
@Tie up Goetze and we will have Germany's future best player, France's future best player (Pogba) and we already have England's best player (Rooney), tie up Rodwell and we could have the future best England player too. We have Mexico's & Ecuador's best players.
Sydney!
*Ive been watching this lad (Goetze) since the first time I saw we were linked with him and I have to say I am very impressed. He is exactly the type of player we need. When Ozil decided to move to Madrid I was so disappointed as I felt he was the 1 player in the world most suited to us at the time but Goetze looks like he has the potential to be just as effective.
TK-Red
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 01:52:23
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 00:39:05
@Tie up Goetze and we will have Germany's future best player, France's future best player (Pogba) and we already have England's best player (Rooney), tie up Rodwell and we could have the future best England player too. We have Mexico's & Ecuador's best players.
Sydney!
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And Scotlands best. Denmarks best keeper. Portugals 2nd best player. S Korea's best. Serbia's best the list goes on haha.
Jono!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 01:41:23
Ed, Sydney! etc. I am terribly confused by all this business talk which I have not yet covered!
Help me clear these up:
What has been said by Bloomberg etc.?
Does it mean the Glazers will sell?
If yes to the previous question, then, how long would it be expected before the sale would go through?
Sorry for this hassle, but it's beginning to get me excited, and I don't want that to happen too soon, as if nothing comes of it then I will be devastated.
Thanks,
MPez {ed's note - all Bloomberg have said, that I have seen, is that the value of the bond has shot up on the back of rumours the club is about to be sold.}
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 01:10:07
Let me be the 1st to congratulate you on getting new owners. You will not have to listen to the Glazers, Sydney's and Redfaith's BS anymore, and i for one am grateful to the Qatari Royal family. Now you just need to get Ngiak sanctioned, and all will be rosie in the fields of OT.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Ps. Congratulations!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 00:39:05
@Tie up Goetze and we will have Germany's future best player, France's future best player (Pogba) and we already have England's best player (Rooney), tie up Rodwell and we could have the future best England player too. We have Mexico's & Ecuador's best players.
Sydney!
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We have the future best England player with Morrison.
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 00:23:56
@Tie up Goetze and we will have Germany's future best player, France's future best player (Pogba) and we already have England's best player (Rooney), tie up Rodwell and we could have the future best England player too. We have Mexico's & Ecuador's best players.
Sydney!
Manchester United Rumours
16 Feb 2011 00:21:56
@Two newspapers have picked up on the United/ Goetze link, I really wish we go for this player, he can play in both Scholesy's and Giggsy's positions and is just 18 years old. Make the deal SAF, make the deal.
Sydney!
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Yes Sydney, Yes!
What a signing he would be for the team.