16 Jan 2013 19:25:14
Ed002; I see the BBC are reporting that QPR and Fulham are after M'Vila with one other unnamed club after a loan + buy option at the end of the season. It's not Arsenal or Spurs so do you have any idea who it is? I certainly wouldn't mind if we took the low risk option but can't see it happening so I'm not sure who else it could be?
Also, any further news on Strootman or anyone else that you've heard?
Thanks,
rpc {Ed002's Note - I have no idea where any thought of a bid from Fulham comes from, that seems unlikely. The other side is Newcastle. Later tonight (probably after midnight) perhaps there will be news. It'll be a bit of a blast with Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa being watched this evening as well.}
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Thanks!
The news after midnight, did you mean that this is when the news of watching Mbiwa will break, or is this other news relating to someone else?
Thanks again,
rpc {Ed002's Note - In addition to Chelsea, there are representatives from at least Lille, QPR, Zenit, Newcastle, Inter, Chievo and Arsenal to watch the game - so perhaps no update on M'Vila and Mbiwa tonight.}
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16 Jan 2013 18:42:59
Not sure how accurate Redknapp's comments are about M'Vila and getting a move to Arsenal, Chelsea or us - but it does sound like a ploy that Redknapp would use. I'm willing to suggest that he will be excellent at QPR, and play brilliantly against us in the League - we will then pay around £20 million to sign him in the summer after he has helped QPR to stay up - similar to what we did with Tevez. I must admit, M'Vila is a player that I have forgot about, will be interesting to see how he performs - what is guaranteed is that he won't be at QPR for more than 6 - 18 months.
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So, he is a player you forgot about, thus showing you've obviously not been watching him over recent months. Therefore, how can you tell he will take the prem by storm with us bidding 20 mil in future for?
I'm pretty sure anybody who has followed him, like myself, will all be in agreement that the potential shown 2 years back has certainly not lived up to what was expected. He's now a decent young player, as opposed to the next "big thing" fans and clubs anticipated.
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I just can't see how old 'arry thinks there will be peace at Loftus road with players like M'Vila and Taraabt in the same team?! #EgoCentral
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16 Jan 2013 16:56:39
Hi guys,
After hearing that utd won't be signing Zaha until summer I've also heard from a German friend that utd are trying to beat Dortmund to the summer signings of Andre Hoffman who is a fantastic holding midfielder.
Utd are also looking to use the molde connection and sign the promising Eikrem. Who from what I've seen would be a good signing.
The final one I've heard is that utd are looking to offload Hernandez in summer and ate looking to replace him with the New Mexican wonder kid Carlos Fierro. This signing could save the most exciting as Fierro is expected to be the best mexican pLayer for a generation.
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Is that Magnus Wolfe Eikrem who used to be on our books?
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I feel like I should tell you that United sold eikrem to Molde
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You nearly had me until...'United looking to offload'.. Pure BS... We'd keep him throughout his career if feasible.
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16 Jan 2013 17:51:07
yes its the same eikrem we role two years ago as he wasn't considered good enough.
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Yes Tomr... he is brilliant in the Norwegian Tippeliga, dominates the midfield role in an already good team. But, I don't think he was, or ever will be, good enough for United. They had him for some years, and Ole took him with him back to Molde.
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Fierro? More like the football manager wonder kid!
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I would just like to point out this big myth about utd having a holding midfileder? we do not sign holding midfileders we have and like to have box to box players
robbo
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keane
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to name a few.
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I always liked the look of him but was never convinced he could make the step up.
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Giggs man of the match tonight........shine on the wing.........god how poor is our wing play at the minute.......Valencia is soooo out of form its frightening, all right nani is just back but young has been poor for some time too
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Chicharito is going no were he is class and always ready to give it his all a propa united player if ever i saw one and as for holding mids we never really have had um like the post which states Robbo Ince Keane and Fletcher there all box to box and there are less midfield generals around these days what would a younge keane a Vieira or a edgar davids be worth to us today and how many players can you name of that sort of calibe Yaya is probably the only mid in the prem that is on there level hopfully when the next guy comes along we grab him.Katef
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16 Jan 2013 13:20:51
apparently, Harry Redknapp convinced M'Vila to join QPR by telling him it's the quickest possible way to Manchester United.
Im not sure of the validity of these claims, but thought I'd share anyhow.
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I've heard that he is a united fan and if he shows that he has sorted his attitude out then I would love him to come. Potentially world class. Same applies to Ravel, if he performs and shows that he has matured then I would take him back.
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What examples do we have of players using the QPR "stepping-stone" to United in the past 5 years? more like the other way around, haha.
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In all fairness, that's all well said and done, but WHY are not we not signing anyone? QPR sign loic remy and yann m'vila, who have we signed? no-one! no value in the market my butt! {Ed004's Note - Yes because qpr aren't struggling and sitting top of the league and in every competition but the carling cup. A better example would be to use teams actually competing at the same level as united such as city}
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Agreed, but, you got to admit our midfield 'desparately' needs improving?
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M'Vila 8m - Diame 3.5m - Holtby under 2m. Any one of these players would strengthen our midfield for relative pennies. They aren't my first choices but are all good midfielders. Diame would be a perfect replacement for the unlucky Fletcher and he's only 25. M'Vila would give us some much needed steel in midfield. If it goes to the summer then Wanyama, Strootman, Eriksen and Gotze would be buys of the highest order. However for now Diame alongside Carrick, Anderson or Cleverley would give us some midfield choicce. In Michael Carrick we have our only top level midfielder. Anderson, when fit, is good in flashes. The midfield situation continues to threaten our chase for silverware.
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16 Jan 2013 00:38:02
Avram Glazier to put pressure on Ferguson to step aside so not to miss out on getting Guardiola. Pepe has met Avram while he was on his sebbatical in the US. He will only come if Ferguson has left the building and does not want him there as any sought of director.
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Yeah, putting pressure on Fergie! I bet that's gonna happen! Oh dear, I heard they've tied him up and put him in the basement!
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If these are pep's stipulations send him to chelski as fergie wonf go yet and when he does should be allowed a position within the club for the commitment of the last 25 years. i don't think pep is good enough or strong enough to replace fergie pep is relatively untested.
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It is true that there are some of the United hierarchy that want Guardiola as the next manager. If that means SAF having to step aside then I am sure it's a possibility. SAF would want what's best for the club and if he feels Guardiola is the right man I am sure he would step aside. I think this could be the manager's final season in charge. If the club do not get Guardiola then perhaps SAF is there to keep going. Avram is the football supporting Glazer, him and I think Joel want to keep United long-term. The others according to rumours wanted a sale a couple of year's ago.
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What is all the fuss about pep? I really don't see it as he inherited a great group of players that had already had the style of play implemented by previous managers, lets see what he would be like if he has to build a squad and also develop the youth system. I personally is not sure on whether I would want him or not.
As for pressure on SAF I don't think so the yanks know the main reason we still compete is due to Sir Alex.
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How do you know what some of the heirarchy want sydney? Do you work for Manchester United? Im curious because you state some things as fact that I, a mere fan, would have no way of knowing. Im not being inflammatory just interested.
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Tucker, Pep implemented the way Barcelona play and it started from when he was in charge of La Masia. You say he inherited a bunch of quality players and that is true, but then Jose Mourinho has inherited a world-class bunch of players and has spent far more money than Barcelona and he has won just two trophies.
Guardiola is interested in building from the academy upwards. This is exactly what Manchester United is all about so he would certainly get my vote.
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Snakey, Ed002 has been clear about this. Blanc is the other candidate.
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I personaly am in same view i ain't fussed with what pep has done before pretty sure most half good managers would have won trophies at Barcelona he should try his trade at a side not so high standard team and see if his "style of play" would work without the xavi messi iniesta etc ....as a jock myself would love someone in same mold as saf says how it is etc and keep manager at united a brit so i say give moyes a chance
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Pep implemented the way barca play what utter tosh johan cruyff was instrumental in setting barcelona up to be one of the club forces of the world and frank rijkarrd had a very influential 5 years there as well. the proof is in the pudding so we will see how pep does wherever he goes but for me the jury is still out and will only come back when he is in management and we see what he does away from the inherited barca position
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Dave, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. There is a difference between Pep's Barcelona and Rijkaard's Barcelona. The closing down off the ball was implemented by Pep and that is what took Barcelona to a new level. He started it in La Masia and continued it in the first team and that is why they became so good.
I don't think he will copy Barcelona's style if he came here, but the closing down off the ball will certainly be implemented here.
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Sydney you didn't really answer snakeys question! and I also am not trying to be smart, how do you apparently know so much? are you just really opiniated or do you actually know more than the rest of us? again, I'm not havig a go would just really like to know if I can believe what you say?
thanks,
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It originated from Rinus Michels who was coach of Ajax in the 60's/70's. cruyff came from Ajax and played for Barca afterwards eventually coaching Barca later on. Cruyff brought total football to Barca not pep. Pep introduced more of a pressing element to their game with a 4 second "hard press" when Barca lose the ball.
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Supasub, that is what I am talking about my friend. That pressing is what has made Barcelona what they are today. Teams cannot live with it so have no option but to park the bus and play counter attack football.
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I completely agree with syd on this one. there's a fantastic book written by journalist Graham Hunter called 'Barca:The making of the greatest team in the world' due to the authors access to barca and his knowledge of spanish football it is a very detailed account of pep's reign at the club.
pep instantly told ronaldinho, eto'o and deco that they were not in his plans and that they could leave. so he had a team of world beaters and got rid of them so he could bring the youth stars through.
he also gave over 30 barca homegrown players their first team debut within his four years at the club something which would be very admirable if he could replicate that at united.
The amount of attention to detail pep goes into is almost unhealthy, his wife used to pick him up from the stadium at 5 a.m because he still hadnt left work from the previous day as he was getting hung up on minor details regarding the opposition. No wonder he was tired after four years there.
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Sorry forgot to sign off . Mickeyslim
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Pep has been so successful because he had the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, truly world class players, also, i would like to point out, Pep did spend a lot in his time at Barcelona, Ibra, Alexis Sanchez, Cesc Fabregas, David Villa to name a few. But, most importantly, Barca don't have a plan B. (something that Arsenal have been accused of in the past) ....barcelona pass pass pass, and they are only successful BECAUSE they have messi, villa, Iniesta, Xavi.
whereas, look at us, comparing with any top team in the world one on one, we are average (except for Rooney, RVP and Vidic) and that is because we are TEAM ....and it is ALL because of Sir Alex that we have been so successful, if you need an example, just look at our midfield, there is no WORLD CLASS midfielder there but we are still on the top of the table only because of Sir.Alex, and because players play for him, and they play as a team. SO, we need someone who can get the best out of his players, who can get an average side to win things, and for whom the players want to jump in front of a moving train for. I would personally go for David Moyes rather than Guardiola, because guardiola had great players playing for him and has not proven himself YET!
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Forgot to Sign off too ...
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As good as pep may be Fergie will step down when he decides and there is no way the Glaziers would force his hand and its going to be Moyes as the next united boss its becoming common knowledge in the football world not Jose to cocky not Pep to much money and lack of experiance all be it he won everything with the best club team of alltime sorry to rain on your parade its gonna be Moyes. Katef
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Totally agree moyes all way for me.
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SAF is very stubborn it wouldn't surprise me. Guardiola would be perfect and maybe SAF will need a nudge, it's his spirit that has made us do so well but it's also what could drive us into the ground as the years go by. People who say Guardiola is untested don't realise what he did at Barca. The best players the world have ever seen don't develop by themselves and they don't magically fit into a team and together, play the best football the world has probably ever seen.
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SAF's last great act as united manager will be to know when to step aside when the right man is avaikable and wants the job. He won't be forced, he won't need to be. He will do what is right and if that means stepping aside, he will know when the time is right.
He hasnt just spent 26 years turning united into what it is today to hang around too long and let it go rotten, or miss the opportunity to install the right man as his successor.
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Both Dans are making sense.
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I think if he wins a good amount of trophies this season he may go out on a high but he doesn't want to quit if city get the title again.
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Pep Guardiola to Munich!! Fergie Staying Put end of!
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As stated earlier Pep didn't start it this system was put in place by Cryuff many years ago and followed by FR, Pep and the rest, Just don't think he would be given the time or money to achieve what barca have, this system was put in place by JC 20+ years ago hence why barca got this style of play finally developed. Not just pep im afraid. But Guillum Ballaghe (Sorry poor spelling) says he is Munich bound.
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Tucker, my point was Barcelona improved under Pep. It was him who implemented the high pressing once he took over from FR. That IMO was when Barcelona went up one more level. I am aware about JC, but Pep implemented it and made Barcelona a better team.
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Pep signs for munich and will start next season. Oh well, hope its not mourino to be the next manager, then again if Fergie has a couple of years, pep may join if he is sucessfull in germany.
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Well well well not pep to united next season even if SAF does step down from what i hear its Moyes and that's the only canidate Fergie trusts to take over i would not be suprized if SFA takes a advisory role to Moyes next season but almost certainly will be the boss one after next and i for one will be glad its not a Jose or a Pep or Klopp it should be someone we can trust to never give up on us, but still for now LONG LIVE FERGIE .Katef
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JC had the idea but Pep turned it into reality and improved upon it. Just because he didn't come up with the idea in the first place, shouldn't take anything away from what he has done.
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16 Jan 2013 22:41:49
fergie got wind of the Avram idea to get Pepe. He dint think Pepe was tough enough for job. Truth is he new that Pepe would change the style of play and fergie couldnt live with that. Jose is the man he wants to take over....
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Pep is going to Bayern! The special one will show up at old trafford in a few years with that Ronaldo player with him can't wait for that GGMU
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No chance its never going to be Jose he going PSG its got him writen all over it team that has vast amounts of money more than anyone else sound familier, and SAF would never have it and nore would the glaziers Jose wil join PSG and take Ronaldo they will say its for a new challenge that psg is a good project lol but the reality is there getting more money there, they are very greedy people you understand as good as Ronnie is he is selfish and money driven like Jose its MOYES to replace SFA end of. Katef
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What a load of utter rubbish Avram would never want Fergie out especially for Pep after the Rivalry between them over the years
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