Manchester United Rumours Archive June 16 2012

 

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16 Jun 2012 20:05:46
Any alternate right backs we've got interest in, eds?

U.T.I.D {Ed012's Note - Not that I know of, Van Der Wiel is not on our radar and either is Debuchy who would be the two standout candidates. Either way, argument none needed with Rafael, Smalling, Jones and Valencia}

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FFS Clyne better be signed, he's one of the most mature youn players i've ever seen, has so many years to get even better! Why has this deal not been completed yet?!

Ozwald

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Heard that asamoah has completed his medical at juve along with isla a team mate at udenise

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IMO rafael is definitely first choice rb Clyne could be brought in for back up but he won't be a starter rafael is getting better and next season I reckon he's going to be top notch


Dwright

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Clyne again , wish he'd sign for reading or somewhere near his standard soon

Dustbin

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16 Jun 2012 23:16:40
Just heard a rumour that Utd have lumped in on Athletic Bilbao's Markel Susaeta this has come from a strong source

Pardoe

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We talkin reggae reggae sauce here or standard spar tomato ? DISNEY! :)

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Think we are talking bout a twitter source here.
big red bob

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Are you not just copying from ed002's response to bazza the red? Or is ed002 trying to tell us all something?

Whitey

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One of the ed's used susaeta in making a point about tribal footballs credibility yesterday so i do believe this, Do you think he would be a good addition Pardoe or eds?

Cban

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16 Jun 2012 20:56:02
I have read a few things that say that the Baines deal is dead in the water due to a rediculous price tag on him. For me, if we are sticking with Evra, we should go for a cheaper option like Willems, Oveido or Izaguirre. Any of which I would be happy with. I still think that Willems in particular would be a good signing, he would get valuable experience and would learn alot. You can't be to bad if you are the first choice for Holland (albeit Pieters was injured).

Kagawa and Powell in my honest opinion are two great additions. Henriquez looks to be coming in too. But out of the three of them, i can only class Kagawa as a first team addition, Henriquez and Powell will get the odd games, but they will be learning their trade and may get loans. Kagawa will go straight in the first team squad where there is room for more. Modric should be the next one to come in, but Cabaye is a good option, Tiote also may be an option if we want to look at it in a different way. I'm also hoping that Pogba stays as that will save us so much money on a deal for a similar player. I also think that Park will be staying as he is a good utility player.

I'd say that Modric, Kagawa, Powell, Willems, Henriquez is a realistic way to look at summer. Their may be variations on that, but i'm fairly sure in my mind that that is the way that we will be going this summer.

RedDevil19

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Willems isn't ready, i've watched a fair bit of PSV over the last year as i've been watching Strootman. Willems is very raw and has alot of rough edges he needs to smooth out. He will only do this by playing, could we afford to throw a young lad in at the deep end in a very tough and unforgiving league(and press) and expect him to rise above it? he needs another couple of seasons in holland at least, imo i wouldn't consider him an option until he's around 21 depending on his progress. Plus we have an equally gifted young LB in Blackett, i want to see this lad make it at United and bringing in another LB of a similar age and ability will just block him.

Shappy

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Out of curiosity shappy, how would you solve the impending left back crisis. Evra is going to have no competition if Fabio goes on loan, Fryers leaves and Blackett isn't ready. The Baines deal is looking unlikely, and if Willems is that far from being ready, then we could have to look at perhaps Izaguirre or Oveido? That's the way I see it..

But my question to you shappy is, who would you get in their so give competition to Evra?

RedDevil19 {Ed012's Note - Blackett is physically more developed than Fryers already and has a much better fitness record, his self belief is the main thing holding him back. As it is, Evans could be utilised more often at LB as he won't be getting many games once Vidic returns)

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People seem to forget Aly Cissokho? He came out and said that it'd be a 'dream' to play for United and he is afterall a quality LB.

Ozwald

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Just a thought if he is tht far from being ready an Blackett is the same ability wise why is he not at the euros an not starting for his country or at least in the squad I think a lot of united fans r bias towards our youth we not had a world class player come thru for 20 years !

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Well what i would do and what will happen are two different things. But the player i'd like to see most is David Alaba, he is the only young LB i would sign as he has world class potential and has shown he is ready to play at the highest level already. The problem is would Bayern sell him. If not him then Schmelzer would be my player of choice, soild and dependable but with very good crossing ability and great work rate and tactical awearness. The issue here would be would Dortmund be happy to sell to us having already losing Kagawa to us in this window? Other players who i feel could be worth a look are Jose Angel and Emilio Izaguirre.

But i expect Evra to be first choice LB at least at the start of next season, then i feel Sir Alex has alot of faith in Fabio Fryers and Blackett so we may just see a talented but less known player sign who could turn out great but if he doesn't then he'd be solid cover, probably someone like Bryan Oviedo or someone similar.

Shappy

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Ozwald mate there is something about Cissokho that worries me. I can't say what it is exactly but something about his whole situation doesn't quite add up. He has been solid enough without being spectactular, i do feel there seems to be a lack of quality full backs around atm, and even less who are available. I think this had led to the bigging up of some quite average players. And i think Cissokho could be one of them.

But what bugs me most is Lyon paid alot of money for him and have said he is a great player and how important he has been for them while trying to sell him for less than they paid for him. They come across like a dodgy car dealer trying to flog you a dud car by giving you all the bulls**t about how great it is and how your getting a bargin.

So why? either his dental problems which collapsed his deal to go to AC Milan have started to become a further issue or he has been a disruptive influance in the dressing room and needs moving on. To be honest i wouldn't want him if it was either and it will have to be one of them so maybe he's a good player who isn't worth the bother.

Shappy

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Willems wouldn't have gone to the Euro's have Pieters not been injured. He is the Martin Kelly of Holland if you want me to put it into prespective. Blackett is a great talent but he is a year behind Willems who only made his breakthough this year and in a less competitive league where players have more protection. And again he only got as much game time as he did due to Pieters being injured.

Shappy

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Oviedo, as of bryan oviedo ?

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Fully agree with SHappy from seeing WIllems so far in Euros, only two games I know. The kid obviously looks talented, especially going forward......BUT he is very raw. Needs at least another season of observation if you ask me, dont see the point of signign him this season, is he better than Evra or Fabio even, and as one for the future we have Blackett, dont see the poin tof signing him now even though he well may be a top player in a couple of years time
Invisible STuey

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I think Evra will get one more season at LB. Not saying he should but just what I think Uncle Fergie will do if he cant get his first choice replacement in Baines.

The Evans comment on him playing at LB is useful to note and I think a real option. Again not saying thats what I'd do but Jones, Smalling, Evans all have versatility about them to be played in different defensive roles. Jones being the most obvious 'play him anywhere' player.


We have to prioritise midfield which it looks like SAF has finally realised given the Modric bid but he wont be held to ransom by Daniel Levy over price.

I suspect Modric will slip through our fingers TBH and we will end up going for a different type of midfielder a la Strootman. That puts the creative duties on a mixture of Scholes and Cleverley.

Whilst Kagawa is clearly best in an 'in the hole' role we have to bear in mind SAF has played players previously what we'd consider out of position. Maybe he thinks Kagawa has some verastility to play in a deeper-lying midfield role IF we dont bag Modric?

Halesini

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Why does nobody think Fryers is not good enough cover for Evra?!

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Has Fryers not refused a new contract ?

Halesini

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16 Jun 2012 19:20:48
Hi Guys

This is a question for the Eds and anyone that might know.How reliable is Tribal Football as they are saying that we are interested in Modric and Bale and that we are getting good vibes on Alcantara.

Bazza The Red {Ed002's Note - I have no idea how reliable Tribal Football is but I suspect they are relaying stories from elsewhere - which may or may not be reliable. If I said Manchester United had today agreed a deal for Athletic Bilbao's Markel Susaeta, would you believe the story if it were on the Tribal Football site tomorrow? It remains and interesting paradigm.}

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Tribal football is probably one of the worst sites for rumours...

fearny

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Obvious question from that...Have United agreed a fee for Markel Susaeta or are you just using that as an example?

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Are you trying to say we're in for Susaeta Ed?

N {Ed002's Note - It'll all be clear on Tribal Football tomorrow no doubt. Man it has been a fun day.}

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Wow we have agreed a deal for Markel Susaeta !! - i heard from a great source!!

:)

Mike

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What's a paradigm ?

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Ed02 that is very interesting......

i would not assume that you would just pluck this name from thin air so i would say this is true.... do you know how much he will cost?

i remember a story in the mail that said both mu & chelsea would be interested and he would cost less than 10m as he was in the last year of his contract....

do you know if other clubs were interested & if we had a party in spain making these arrangements did they discuss any other players from AB?

thanks
Oxred {Ed002's Note - It was simply an example.}

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Think about it for a while..you might surprise yourself!!

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16 Jun 2012 18:24:32
Just seen another report linking Nani with a move to Juventus and I would hate to see that happen as he is one of our most influencial players. But the report also says that James Rodriguez is on standby if Nani was to leave and he is a top player and wouldn't be a bad replacemet.

Would prefer Nani to sign a new contract and stay though.

fearny

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The most over rated player ever,a poor mans ronaldo,hope he leaves.Can do it sometimes,then the big games he goes missing.

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Really don't understand people slating Nani at all. Some of the comments on here have been making him out like he's David Bellion! He's one of only 2 or 3 players we have that can do something special & change a game.

Hope he stays.

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Mmm, and ask yourself, exactly how many times does he change a game?!, that is the reason for the post above you, far too inconsistent, read the posts on this site, do you think the Barcelona site has the same divided opinion on messi?!, good riddance.

Charla

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Problem I find is that nani is class and exciting but often inconsistent , the players everyone is linking to replace him will be inconsistent without a doubt as theyre all unproven at premiership level and theres's no guarantee they'll be as exciting or effective

Dustbin

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Exactly how often do the messi's and ronaldo's come around. To compare nani to messi is the mistake, charla. Just appreciate nani for what he is, a good winger who on his day can be unplayable

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Yes, on his day, but how many of those days does he have?, that's the whole point, just far too inconsistent, if he could string those games together then yes, I agree, keep him, but fact that he was reportedly heading to Juve last season and now contract talks not really progressing shows united are of the same opinion

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The only players that can say they are consistent week in week out from an attacking point of view are Messi and Ronaldo. Nani has his days, more often than not, but people prefer to focus on the bad days.

His stats back me up, he can be frustrating, but the alternatives are no better, people keep going on about James Rodriguez, whats he actually done in an inferior league, same with gaitan and Bale is even more inconsistent than Nani.

If Nani was at another club, utd fans would be screaming for SAF to sign him, its case of you don't know what you got till it has gone, trust me

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Contract talks stalling, Juve interested, this all just speculation. It was only last season SAF was talking highly of Nani and Nani was voted palyer of the year for Utd by his own colleagues.

Have you ever thought Utd may cash in on Nani to balance the books. He is probably the most saleable asset Utd have after Rooney. We know Rooney ain't going to be sold. This does not mean Nani is not good enough.

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16 Jun 2012 14:52:25
Thiago Alcantara being unsettled due to lack of playing time? Where are people getting this from? A 21 year old getting 45 apps last season in the Barcelona team, is actually a whole lot of playing time than what can be expected at that age. 27 apps in the league 7 in Europe and 8 in domestic cups. Doesn't look like lack of playing time one bit. Won't leave Barcelona imo.

REDFAITH

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Alcantara possibly unhappy due to Guardiola leaving ? Not informed wisdom just putting 2 and 2 together.

I see us making a bid definitely.

Halesini

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He might be looking to start matches tho not come off the bench hed be a great signing but dont think he ll come either

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It would be interesting to see a stat on how many minutes he got and how many of those actual games he started...
Im guessing not as many as your making out

fearny

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Modric story was no longer selling so they had to spice it up...

first MU interested in Alcantara
then Barca in Modric...

Next if modric goes to us then nothing will happen, if modric goes to barca we will get Alcantara as another player would be coming in in front of him....

keeps it going for a another week or so....

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The most important factor IMO is if tito has alcantara as part of his plans. After allit was said barca might do a little shuffling this summer. If thiago finds that he may not be as big a part of barca s plans he may well want to leave. He was wanted by chelsea, arsenal and united in the past. I hope we bid for him. He will be bigger than Mod and if Barca sell him for a fee hen there s no chance of they pulling him back and doing a fabregas.

Trident

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Thiago may have become unsettled as Barcelona allegedly offered him to Milan as part of a deal to sign the defender Silva

Red Man

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I cant see him leaving Barcelona, they generally keep close ranks there.

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16 Jun 2012 14:17:23
"Before anyone argues with me about me posting about it and now I have a different opinion... If the buy-back clause Barcelona would put in the deal is true I would much rather have someone who wants to be at the club rather than someone who is just there to improve his skills and for Barcelona to come and buy him when Xavi has reached his peak or retired

fearny"

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Perhaps an Ed can assist me with this but I do not understand the buy-back clause laws. Were to to purchase Alcantara with a buy-back clause in his contract, would it stipulate how long he has to be at our club before they can trigger it or could they literally do it the next summer if they wanted to?

If we were to have him for 3-4 seasons then I really wouldn't care where he went afterwards. We all knew Ronaldo would eventually go to Madrid but that didn't bother any of us when he was banging in 30 a season. It is possible to have a "soft-spot" for a club that isn't your first choice. Ronaldo is that example.

Joe {Ed002's Note - They can be complex. The two deals I can explain are (1) Bojan joined Roma last summer in an unusual deal worth €12m. If Roma pay another €28m at the end of June, they will own him outright, but if they leave it until June 2013 then Barcelona will buy him back for €13m. (2) I am reluctant to go in to too much detail detail but simply if Chelsea decide to sell Romeu this summer the contract provides Barcelona first refusal at a fixed fee of 10M euros and again if Chelsea make the player available next summer, Barcelona would have first refusal at 15M euros. Barcelona cannot simply activate any clause.}

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I don't really know anything about it either but I remember it was in Pique's deal and also when it was reportedly interest for him from Utd last season that was the only thing stopping Utd bidding for him

fearny

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16 Jun 2012 13:10:00
According to reports today in the papers, Man Utd are keeping close taps on Thiago Alcantara, 21 years old and in my opinion already world class.
His passing capabilities are exactly what we need! And even if he wants go back to Barca in few years when Xavi/Fabergas might be coming to twilight of their careers, surely we'd get a few excellent years out of him for no transfer cost as sell on value be excellent???
Any opinions on what our chances of landing him would be?? Eds, Sydney, anyone? {Ed002's Note - Slim.}

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Why would you leave a club like barcelona where youre getting regular game time, and with xavis ongoing achilles issue, he cant play for too much longer so therefore i believe he will not leave, and i also feel he would play a similar role to the likes of kagawa, so do we really need him?

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16 Jun 2012 12:16:23
Eds have Utd been linked at all with 20 year old Heerenveen defender Jeffrey Gouweleeuw? Looks a tremendous prospect with great technique and pace {Ed002's Note - No.}

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16 Jun 2012 12:14:12
ed's,do you know of any truth in the rumours that we've enquired about remy cabella?

phil {Ed002's Note - I don't, but someone will start chasing soon.}

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16 Jun 2012 13:31:47
Is Modric nearly signed for United, like have the two clubs agreed anything?
Personally, I would prefer Thiago Alcantara to Modric, because he is younger, so he will improve more and we could probably get him for around the same price, if not cheaper. He is also, supposedly, looking to leave because he has become tired of being behind Cesc Fabregas in the pecking order.

Breeno

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16 Jun 2012 13:19:32
Leighton Baines is most likely going to be staying at Everton next year with an apparent £25million price tag + Kennwright (Everton chairman) stating he'd want a player in return, SAF isn't the kind of person to be messed around with ridiculous fee's and Everton have never been a club that back down so it looks like the wall is up! If I were baines I would be disapointed with Everton for pricing him out of the market!

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16 Jun 2012 11:53:12
Just wondering if anything has been heard about Baines, Oveido or Willems? Everything seems to have gone quiet on the left back spot, I hope it doesn't mean that Evra is going to be our only option out there, especially if Fabio goes on loan. I think if Evra has no quality competition then he has absolutly no chance of improving, he will probably get even worse which we really can't afford to do. Everyone has to press on, all of the team will be improving, adapting their games, we can't afford to carry a man that doesn't change and adapt (like Evra).

RedDevil19

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Evra doesn't need to improve...he just needs some good form. He's still a great player, but has had an average couple of seasons.
He's had a rough couple of years,not least of all losing his brother last season.
I think given how fantastic he has been for us since his arrival, a little patience and support wouldn't go amiss from our "fans".

Bob

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Gd shout evras been poor 4 a few seasons now badly needs replacing

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Well said Bob. Sometimes fans forget just what an awesome player Evra has been.
Mik

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Evra has been a fantastic servant for the club, you'd have to be stupid not to recognise that. There is no shying away from the fact that he has to improve though, his form has been very very poor (for one reason or another).

RedDevil19

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16 Jun 2012 10:35:21
I love this site even makes us united fans argue and disagree I think the banter is quality helped enormously by the Eds two penneth. Anyway enough sucking up the rumour mill is in full force so I thought I'd list the players we have been linked with so far;

RB - Clyne
LB - Izaguirre, Willems, Baines, Alba (Barca bound?)
CB - Hummels
DM - M'Vila, Strootman, Tiote, Asamoah (Juve bound?)
CM - Modric, Cabaye, Fellaini
AM - Sneijder, Kagawa and Powell (both signed)
For - Gaitan, Munain, Rodriguez
ST - Lewandowski, Higuain, Benzema, Huntelaar.

All these and the window isn't even open abroad til 1st July and the Euros is not half way through.
My point is David Gill & SAF wouldve known for a while who they want and 90% of the above is just fantasy football and dirt rag rumours. Let's just enjoy the summer, the euros and trust the gaffer to bring in who he and we know we need to improve.

Welsh Red

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I agree mate. We talk about certain players on here as if we're definitely in for them and a deal is 90% done. However, as in other years, it will turn out that we weren't in for half of them!

All the fun is in guessing which are real and which are not!

And then there's always the one who no1 was expecting....just to crank up the excitement further

Gav
(fellow Welsh Red)

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Couldn't agree more lads, I love talking about who we could/should sign.

I'm over the moon about the 2 we've already bagged and excited to think who could be next and where and how they will play.

My heart says Lucas Moura but my head says Yann M'Villa.

What do you guys think?

Frictiondixon
(Another Welsh red)

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My crotch says the chelsea physio

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Ha! The only reason Terry hasn't left Chelsea.

Frictiondixon

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