Manchester United Rumours Archive October 16 2010

16 Oct 2010 18:58:13
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Good point ed (for once lol) but what would you do in that situation as a young boy and offered all sorts of money. As you know I know a few players well and the money etc they are offered is shocking. I know one players family that are kitted in Nike from head to toe constantly, and normal guys are like WTF?? ? Money turns heads and a perfect example is Liam Miller, and the next will be Danny Wilson. It is the clubs fault, no doubt about it in my mind. Yeah, move on, better yourself, go as far as you can but when you get paid more being a Wigan reserve (no offence to Wigan) or playing in the CL with Rangers/Celtic or week in week out with say Aberdeen or Stoke?? There is footage of a STV programme from years ago of an interview, and in the background is a wee ginger guy sweeping the stands at Parkhead, that wee caarot top was one Tommy Burns, and he didn't do to bad??

Sickbhoy

16 Oct 2010 05:43:06
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"{ed's note - yes and you look all the poorer for it, you need someone to provide the killer passes he used to provide. But not from deep, from the opposition half, the ones that really hurt the opponent. Anderson has the ability to do it, but not the mentality, the application or the fitness.}"

Anderson did the job really well when hargreaves played with him. But without him he just does not look the same player. And united do not need killer passes from central midfielders to dominate. All we need is two central midfielders who can just keep the ball and pass it to the wingers in the right position. We have been blessed with great wingers for the last 20 years and the trend seems to continue with nani and valencia and evra and rafael supporting them. All we need is a fit again anderson and hargreaves/fletcher partnership and united will look the same dominant midifield from the UCL winning season.

16 Oct 2010 01:48:49
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{ed's note - I agree fully, most of us have to pay money to play and they are being paid huge sums for the privilege! They really do need to bring back the old apprenticeship system, make the kids clean boots and sweep stadiums, repaint dressing rooms etc. They need bringing back to earth.}

I agree completely. The problem is that they are being paid far too much at an early age. Not 2 weeks ago Giggsy was saying how he was on an apprenticeship wage of £70 a week until he was 18 and that he got a pay rise gradually after that. If he started his career all over again the guy would be on £150,000 a week by age 30. If im honest I would go clean boots, paint the dressing room and sweep the stands just for a free ticket every week. No need to pay me for it. A few years ago Fergie was talking about young players and he was saying that when scouting youth teams they look for players who are technically good and worry about teaching them the proper mentality (winning, work ethic etc) when they get them. For me it would be the other way around. Obviously they need to be technically sound but Id concentrate on someone who wants to play, wants to win as that makes up for alot. Just ask Keane and Vieira. But what do I know hey?

16 Oct 2010 01:32:00
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{ed's note - I hate watching players like him, so much talent being wasted through sheer laziness. I just want to slap them and make them realise how lucky they are.}

The worst thing is that on a few occasions he has tried to compare himself to Cantona. However the thing with Cantona is that he wasnt technically the most gifted player in the world but he had more than enough talent to get him by and he worked as hard as anyone. He would bust a lung to get on the end of a quick united counter attack and that's something you never see Berbatov do. I really don't know why SAF ever thought he would fit well with Rooney. Rooney needs someone that goes where he likes on the pitch. .oddly enough the last person to do so was a certain Carlos Tevez. Though you talk of how lucky they are and Tevez is bringing out his yearly retirement talk. . Honestly it makes my blood boil and my mind boggle. I don't think anyone would play for free as everyone needs a living but Id more than happily play for an average wage. {ed's note - isn't that American lad at Milan playing for free for a season as a thank you to the club for standing by him while he was injured? I can't think of his name now, tiredness is catching up on me.}

16 Oct 2010 01:01:35
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{ed's note - everyone is watching Afellay, he is one of the most wanted players in the world right now. I haven't a clue who will get him though, it is a bit like the Joe Cole situation in the summer - it will come down to who he wants to join I believe. He will probably have 10 or more offers at least, a friend of mine, who works collating info for stats for OPTA, said his stats have been the most requested so far this season.}

Well I saw that he was quoted as saying he dreamt of playing for United or Liverpool but I think players mention whichever club has been linked last. Just like when Van Der Vaart said anyone but United would be a step down. I must admit though that apart from when on international duty I havent seen much of of Afellay. I used to keep a very close eye on the dutch leagues and had it been up to me we wouldve signed Van Nistelrooy when he left Heerenveen but lately the conveyer belt seems to have slowed somewhat. Although the fact pit that is wikipedia claims that Afellay already plays for Liverpool and is number 7 so maybe someone knows something we dont. . .though im not gonna be putting my house on it. {ed's note - if it says so on wiki then it is almost certainly not true lol. I haven't been keeping up with the Dutch league for a while myself, there are only so many hours in the day and there is all the Spanish, English, Scottish and Japanese footie to watch on sky! I also have a habit of watching games a few times to focus on any players that stood out the first time. Sad I know, but you learn a lot more about them when you do it I think.}

16 Oct 2010 00:40:21
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{ed's note - good point, a lot of fans are too blinkered to see problems. Actually I think we have got the best possible owners for the club, only thing Hicks was bothered about was that others were willing to pay him more.}

Do you think? Maybe Im just sceptical of them because they are american and lets face it the americans don't seem to understand the money that has to be put into a club to challenge for trophies. I can't help but think the first year will be full of money for signings but will slow afterwards. And being objective about it, I don't see Hodgson as the man to trust with a relatively limited budget. Baring in mind that like us, you have players that need replacing. Carragher and Gerrard can't be relied upon beyond the next 3 years. With that in mind who would you trust with your money? There are very few out there in my opinion. O'neill has already shown he can't be trusted purely on the basis of him spending £10-12million on Stewart Downing. {ed's note - I can't stand O'Neill or his style of management, I find him extremely arrogant and not easy to deal with. Personally I would like Sean O'Driscoll from Donnie Rovers to manage us, his teams play fantastic football. Our new owners won't invest huge sums of money, but then we make big profits, all we need is to not have those spent on paying debt. Same as you in that respect.}

16 Oct 2010 00:13:35
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After reading through the debate between a poster and ed I thought I'd add my thoughts.

In 2005 we had a team that was a mere shell of its former self. An ageing Keane who just didn't have the legs for a full season and was nowhere near as effective of old, a stale defence (barring Ferdinand) that consisted of Neville, Slivestre and Heinze, a main striker that was on his way down in Van Nistelrooy and a lack of creativity going forward even though we had 2 fantastic youngsters in Rooney and Ronaldo. Over the course of the next 2 years we brought in Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Carrick, Vidic, Evra, Tevez and to start it all Van Der Sar. These players added to the experience of Scholes and Giggs. Now 5 years later we are without the work horse Tevez and all of the rest apart from Nani seem to have lost their form and their edge for one reason or another aswell as selling Ronaldo. So here we are 5 years later with a defence that can't collectively stay fit long enough to string together a 10 game run, a midfield that lacks any kind of creativity and no forward drive and no killer instinct up front. Scholes seems to control games against the lesser sides or when he is given time on the ball but any half decent team that presses make him give the ball away countless times. United need a player that can do something with the ball at the sharp end of the pitch and scholes is no longer that man. The fact that we now rely on Scholes so heavily is worrying in itself because it shows how we lack in other options. We should be counting our blessings that Nani has turned his career around so spectacularly as without him we would have no penetration going up the pitch at all. Look how many of our goals this season he has been heavily involved in. 1 of 2 things needs to happen over the next 12 months, either Sir Alex needs to spend money on giving the team a new engine, a new spirit and a freshness or he should now be giving the youngsters a chance. Guys like Pogba, Cleverly, Smalling, Keane should be involved with the first team squad on a regular basis, Morrison needs to be given a run out in the cups as does Reece Brown. We lack any kind of vibrancy and pace. Berbatov slows the pace of the game as soon as he gets on the ball and Rooney isn't as instinctive as he used to be. Fergie needs to give fresh blood a chance sooner rather than later. All just my opinion anyway. {ed's note - that is almost exactly as I see it. I really wasn't sure if I was doing the right thing giving my view on here, being a Liverpool fan, but I am glad I have now. It is always good to realise that you aren't just looking for things that aren't there in your opposition.}