Manchester United Rumours Archive April 17 2014

 

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17 Apr 2014 11:28:10
What do People make of these Shaw and Carvalho rumours? Most people saying that Shaw and Carvalho are closer than ever to joining. Fee still an issue with Shaw, but fee agreed in principle for Carvalho. I am surprised Chelsea are not putting up a stronger fight in regards to Shaw, but £30m is a lot of money to spend on a LB when you need strikers. I always thought Shaw would end up at Chelsea, I hope I am VERY wrong there! He would be a massive improvement on Ev and he's half his age. Carvalho is a beast in midfield, still think we need a creative midfielders too, unless Rooney is being moved to midfield next season. Seems unlikely due to his reactions over the season, but stranger things have happened and a nice pay-rise may have convinced him to drop back. It would allow us to see Mata more central behind Van Persie, although I think he would be wasted there. Could he play where Giggs and Kagawa have been playing? The more advanced of a 3-man midfield. I do doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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{Ed002's Note - I have repeatedly explained that Chelsea were quoted a figure in January and are not willing to pay that for Shaw. If Chelsea could negotiate a lower amount for the kid then they would look at him again but right now they are discussing options with the agents of two other left backs.

I don't know where you have this £30M figure from Syd.}

Ed002, it's just a rough number. A number that the media are using. My point was perhaps Chelsea have more important positions to consider (strikers) before spending a fortune on a LB. I guess the same could be said for MU if fullbacks were not a major issue for us right now.

Ed, what do you think will happen this summer regarding Shaw? In your opinion of course.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea re looking at a very expensive left back as well Syd. However, their main priority will be at the front with four strikers likely leaving. I really don't want to give an opinion Shaw.}

I'd imagine Syd that if United have enquired about Shaw they would've been quoted the same as Chelsea and just like Chelsea we would have baulked at the price. Southampton have no need to sell him unless he angles for a move. I would say our targets lie elsewhere unless we dig deep into the coffers for him.
I would like to see kagawa inverted left and mata in behind RVP but do you think Rooney would be better off inverted right side with his work rate better than Mata's and Mata better creatively than Rooney so number 10 should be Juan's. We would need highly energetic full backs and midfielders!

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I think that the £30 million figure has come from paper talk. I imagine that the deal will be closer to £22 million with add-ons based on appearances etc. I am fairly confident that we will get Shaw, the ed has said that Chelsea seem quite keen on Kurzawa (I forget the other name, sorry). I'm fairly confident though that come the end of the season we will announce the double signing of Shaw and Carvalho just like we did with Anderson and Nani a good few years ago.

As I said on a different post, I don't think that we will land that creative midfielder that we need. There is no doubting that Moyes wants one but I'm not sure where it is going to come from. Fabregas apparently can't move, Gundogan won't be leaving (especially if we take Reus off them as that will be Reus and Lewandowski that they will have lost). Kroos looks like he's staying at Bayern and Koke won't leave. Our options have been significantly narrowed - perhaps another move for Herrera, maybe Moutinho or Rakitic? Of which I'm only keen on Moutinho.

The question is, if we sign Garay, Shaw, William Carvalho and Reus as our main signings, will that be enough to turn the side around into a league winning team? Our left back area would be solved, the midfield would be very solid all be it perhaps a little bit immobile (however Carvalho breaks well), we would have a front 4 line up of Mata, Reus, Rooney & RVP with plenty of options to change with. I personally think that it would be enough, we could tweak the midfield pair as a bit more creativity would be ideal but we would be a much, much better side.

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea won't be signing Kurzawa - they are talking to others.}

Syd! I'm hoping that Chelsea's reluctance to meet the valuation and our, quite obvious, desperation to show our intent will put us in a good position to sign him. Like you I always saw him going to Chelsea but, IF rumours are accurate, we seem to be willing to pay slightly over the odds for him. I say 'over the odds' but, considering the potential he has and his age, I see the reported fees as worth paying.

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Ed, so who is it? Ricardo Rodriguez?

'Welsh Red82' I think Rooney would work fine from the right as long as it was quite a central right if that makes sense. Ideally we will have a pace and skill down the left with Shaw and Reus and then have Mata or Rooney from the right in front of Rafael. Formations aren't fixed so both would swap anyway, RVP runs into the right hand channel as well. Then whoever is in the middle out of Rooney or Mata would be more than capable of linking up well with William Carvalho or Fellaini - both of whom like to get forward at times. Even without a Kroos or Fabregas we would have a pretty decent team.

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{Ed002's Note - Moreno is taking up most attention at this time.}

TK, I agree, but why do I get an eery feeling that Evra will get a one year extension? He has been a defensive liability for the most part of his MU career now. What the hell are MU doing? Let him go, buy Shaw, job done.

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I hope we do sign Shaw but I think we will get Conteao Garary and Carvalho I also think Nani will be better suited in having his fellow country men with him if he could get back to his best we would not need any other players, in the youth we could fill the voids. A team of DDG Raf Garary Jones Contrao Carvalho (and he has a chance Pearson would partner Carvalho within a season or two for sure )Kagawa Rooney Mata and RVP With Januzaj Wilson Powell Nani Valencia Carrick Felliani Smalling Evans Buttner Welbeck Cleverly Fletcher, we have a deep and strong squad of young players that could grow well together, we don't need to many new signings this summer three top class players in the right positions and youth were set for a long time

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Ed do you know what the figure was that Chelsea were quoted? And do you know if United are happy to meet this?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes but I have explained on many occasions that I don't want to discuss money - it really seems to confuse people.}

I'm hoping that talk of a new contract for Evra is a 'just in case' scenario; a contingency plan for if Shaw decides to stay at Southampton for another year. Surely it can't be a first choice option, even for dithering Dave.

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I don't think Evra will get an extension and I think he probably knows that his times up and he wants to move back to France. Someone like AS Monaco I'm sure will be wanting to snap up such a high profile French player. As for the replacement, I would certainly rather have Shaw over Moreno - I find from watching him he can be a bit shaky, similarly Bernat. Shaw has to be the one, if not Bernat and then maybe Coentrao but he isn't that impressive.

And 'katef' - I am sort of a closet Nani fan, I say it in such a way because you can easily get your head bitten off on here for saying that! The one thing Nani needs is confidence from his manager, in his best season Rooney was injured and SAF put all his eggs in his basket and look at the results.

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Agree Fresh! he is an exceptional player if he is in top form he is as good as Sanchez or Reus at his best maybe better. I think of all the players that do need to go he should get one more season to see if he can get it right his talent is warrants it. I would not bat a eye lid to see Cleverly Anderson or Young go but with Nani its got to be worth the effort to get him to come good and if we were to get some players from his national team to sign it may help him find his feet for the long haul and not once every 20 games

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I think Shaw is a must. He's 18 has lots of potential and is already one of the best left backs in the league. Evra is a shambles defensively and regardless of what winger he is up against I worry they will get the better of him. Carvalho from what I've seen (which is limited) would be a good signing as we are crying out for a strong midfielder who can break up play. I thought we might get that with Fellaini but he isn't mobile enough and having Carrick alongside him doesn't add any pace which in my opinion hinders Fellaini more. If we get Shaw, Carvalho then a midfielder who is creative, a new centre back and ideally a winger such as Reus, Griezmann or Di Maria I would be very happy.

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Welshred82 s much as I hate you lil curly headed buggers who drink me under the table every time I go to watch or play rugby in Wales. I've been saying since we signed Mata he should be playing on the right.

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Syd
The amount of times you have told me we won't get Shaw and he is going to Chelsea means imo Shaw is nailed on for united this summer.
He would be a great signing as well much better than Baines imo.

As for Rooney playing CM, give it up man united been go going on about it for 2year now.
Moyes will buy CMs this summer to play CM

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Jred, I will keep saying it then. I think Chelsea will sign Shaw ;)

I think Rooney moving to midfield is unlikely, just like I said above.

But if we struggle to get a Kroos this summer, it wouldn't surprise me.

Rooney has played midfield a few times this season and last.

Personally I think he would be wasted there. Just like I said above.

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Haha thanks Grund I'm sure there's a compliment in there somewhere ;)
I think if we have pacey fullbacks and energetic MF we can accommodate RVP, Roo, Kaga and Mata I'm starting XI

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I don't know why people talk about moving Rooney to midfield and fitting Mata etc behind RVP. All our best performances this season have been without RVP.

We look best with Rooney ahead of Mata, and Kagawa drifting between the left and alongside Mata in the hole.

Part of our problem has been that none of our central midfielders offer much going forward, which allows opposition midfielders freedom to get forward, putting our defence under more pressure. A central midfielder who can contribute defensively and break forwards to join attacks, or who can create from a deeper position, would ease the defensive situation, and help get the best out of our attacking players.

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I think ultimately, Rooney is going to slot back in behind RVP, Mata and Kagawa will be inside forwards unless Reus is signed in which case Kagawa will be dropped. Simple as that. Rooney and Mata will constantly be swapping positions, they are intelligent players so they will find the right spaces. Kagawa or Reus will do the same but Reus will play slightly wider generally.

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{Ed004's Note - I don't see how Rooney and RVP can work with Mata and Kagawa. There is no speed and Rooney's movement isn't good enough. Rooney isn't a clever player like Mata and Kagawa. He just runs around screaming for the ball and 9 times out of 10 thumps it long to the wings}

Ed004 for a player that just runs around and shouts a lot IYO i'm interested what your thoughts are on them stats.
Over the last 3 seasons
Mata played 135 games scored 33
Kagawa played 95 scored 23
Rooney played 118 score 67

How many number 10s in world football score more than Rooney .

Rvp 121 games 84 goals
Falcao 114 games 81 goals

Rvp and falcao average 5 goals a season more than Rooney, while playing number 9 for there teams while Rooney plays all over the spot . I would of thought Rooney assists are much better

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{Ed004's Note - Do mata and Kagawa get to hit all pens as well? 9 times outa 10 Rooney basically plays as a striker. It's no surprise we play boring football when he plays as the number 10 as it's usually hit out to the wing for him to get his head on a cross}

Ed004 does rooney take all our pens?
Has rooney really played numder 9 9 times out of 10 over the last 3 year?
was fergys tactics for the last 2 year to play it wide for rooney to get his head on?
Over the last 3 year rooney has scored 11 more goals than kags and mata combined.

you sound a bit bitter pal.

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{Ed004's Note - I feel when Rooney plays in the number 10 role our play has been restricted. I will stick by that point. Throw as many stats at me as you want I'm going purely by how the team plays when he is not the number 10. Our best performances have come with a proper number 10 behind either RVP or Rooney. Therefore I'd sell rooney as I feel RVP is the better player. Maybe I'm biased cause I dislike Rooney and his attitude and feel it sets a shit example for the kids especially as he will prob be the new captain}

The fact he will be our new captain speaks volumes about how he is thought about at the clubs . Or do you know better?
And who is this proper 10 kags? Who has not had a single great 90 minutes in 2 year or mats who has had 1 good game.

Yes let ignore the most important stat of sll goals scored because it makes your argument look daft.
Biased, bitter yer I would agrre

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Totally agree 004. Rooney can't play as a modern 10. He is a striker that drop into midfield to ping a ball wide but doesn't have the passing intricacies are Technical ability to play as a proper modern number 10. I don understand how everyone thinks he's so good as a number 10 either it seems to be that influential people in the game can repeatedly say something and it becomes gospel. Like Gerrard being good in a deeper role.
Rooney should lay as our striker IMO or wide left cutting in, there are plenty of better midfielders than Rooney.

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Prodigal
And yet influential players do keep saying it .
Fergy played him there.
Moyes has played him there .
and he has played there under a number of england managers.

He scores more gosls than any number 10 I can think off, his assists are up there with the best as his is work rate.

And gerrard has been very good playing deep

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17 Apr 2014 10:02:15
Hi Eds,

Any interest in Simon Kjaer of Lille? Read in the media today. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Not from MU that I am aware.}

Doesn't seem to be legs to this one, seems to have sprung out of no where and I haven't heard anything about it other than stuff in the papers. Garay or Mangala will be the ones.

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Perhaps not, another rumour I read was Moyes went to Portugal to scout Mangala, Jackson Martinez and Siquiera. Plus Reus is keen on a move to MU all speculation of course but interesting nontheless

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