Manchester United Rumours Archive July 19 2012

19 Jul 2012 22:11:40
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Ed22... I use the mobile version on this site, any chance of developing a link to player profiles page at top? And maybe to a links page with all the other clubs on? I'm sure this is available on the web version, but can't see on the low res mobile site. If we're really pushing the boat out I'd also like a text search function... But I don't want to push me luck ;)

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Pardoe

19 Jul 2012 21:07:08
Rumour has it Lucas Moura is willing to drop a couple million of his signing on bonus to force a move to United. If true this is big news. Not just as it helps things financially, but that he is desperate to join us. Lets hope it's accurate info.

Sydney!

Syd,

I think moura and RVP are big possibilities now. I also get the idea that the baines deal is dead. Kenwright wants way too much for him. Do you think we will still purchase a left back?

Joe.a

This would be excellent news! There was no rumour at all about him today, I am quietly hoping that means something is in the pipeline!

Carl

Sydney

Lot of people think that if we land Moura, nani is likely to be sold.

Whats your opinion on that?

I believe he would stay another year at least if he accept new deal.

JLBER84

I heard something similar but was a little cagey tbh! I hope he signs as I feel a player such as him will make a major difference next year!
Q

I've heard this well Syd, also heard that all that is required now is for the parents (dad is his agent) to meet UTD and deal will be done, again don't know how true but certainly seems things a hotting up

Langers

I don't think Mora will have a big impact next season but eventually he will. To be the world's best team you have to have world class talent and I think he will provide that. Silly money for him but in the long run it will be worth every penny. Rooney was silly money when he came but it was worth it.

KB

So what, we're all making the assumption that he's been signed? Until we hear something from the club, it's all rumours.

G.A.G.U.S

Sure when we signed ronaldo he was cheap,so just think how good moura must be .....

G.A.G.U.S

It is a rumour site mate.

Pip

Is this documented or just what you have actually heard from a someone close to the situation.

looking at some reports it suggests that come 1st August he is entitled to a greater % of any deal aswell so I would expect this to be sorted before then...

added to this brazil play at OT on the 29th so could we see this all wrapped up by then???

i hope so

oxred

Joe, from what is being said the Baines deal isn't dead, but Everton are playing serious hardball. They will need to be careful as £12m-£15m is too much for them to turn down giving their finances. As we know SAF could walk away at any time as he has done so many times before. I think Baines will happen, but I get the feeling more important moves are being prioritised at this point. If we end up having to spend more than planned on Moura and perhaps Witsel, that may mean we have to look at a cheaper LB. But to be honest no one knows right now, it's all just speculation at this point.

Sydney!

KB
No impact next season ? I appreciate any new player at any new club can take time to settle in but his price tag will dictate he gets a lot of games and, in spite of his tender years, I think he will make a big impact IF we get him.

Appreciate this could be Hazard all over again and I know Real and Inter have been sniffing around him too but this rumour seems to have more legs now. I thought it was just paper talk at first but clearly not if the bids we are putting in for this kid are kosher.

Not quite sure how he would line up with the other 2 attacking midfielders we've purchased in Kagawa and Powell though, accepting Powell may be the one more likely to be a player for the future.

Halesini

Moura is a good player.but most importantly is that utd want to show that they can compete in the transfer market for the best players.thus we can maintain our respect and still keep on attracting world class players..

Kaula

19 Jul 2012 19:24:30
So today RVP story is meant to be from Fergies closest friends tellin this story to the press!the only way fergies closest friends would go talking to the press is if he's told them too.while playin the game of what's he's done before keep the press&other clubs all watchin one player while really he's after another,All know City will now start quickly jumping in trying to do deal&offering silly money as we all know its what the comedy club do everytime there's a Utd link. So with Fergie woudnt be surprised if one day its signing done somebody we woudnt expect

Bob Cass is the journalist that the manager speaks to, he is his go-between, he is currently in Durban with the United squad and it was the Daily Mail who broke the RVP story I believe? Bob Cass works for the Sunday Mail.

It's funny you should post this as I was thinking the same earlier. Are we talking about RVP, but working on a deal for Lewandowski?

Sydney!

That's a great shout actually.
Remember last year when SAF was singing Charlie Adams praises? He never had any intention of signing him but it resulted in Liverpool paying over the odds.

Fergie had a spat with bob cass last year if Im not right . Look on YouTube I'm sure it was durin last ore season he tried to Interview Fergie after or before a game there's a video of Fergie telling him he's a s*** jurno and to f off as he went chatting rubbish about something in regards to Fergie before

No name, very true, the manager had a massive row with him as he wrote in one of his articles that the manager told him personally, when he was meant to write "sources close to the club". I believe they are chums again now.

Sydney!

19 Jul 2012 18:01:38
This was the best article I could find that could put it better than I can. might make an interesting read,


Manchester United is continuing their pursuit for the young
Brazilian midfielder Lucas Moura.
However, many Red Devil fans believe Moura is not really
the player that Sir Alex Ferguson should be spending his
time or money on. Moura is considered more of an
attacking midfielder, and many consider defensive midfield
the Red Devils' weakness. Also, Tom Cleverly and Shinji
Kagawa provide young skill at the attacking midfield
position.
If Manchester United were to let Moura slip through their
grasp, he would easily be signed by one of their Premier
League rivals and would be used to directly to attack the
Red Devils' weakness.
As the deal between Manchester United and Lucas Moura
becomes closer and closer to an official signing, here are
some reasons why Moura will do well at Old Trafford.
Moura has impressive pace for a central midfielder. His
overall speed allows him to get down the field in a hurry
and be a threat to opposing defenses. His quick feet give
him the shiftiness to weave throughout the defense and into
striking distance.
The 19-year-old from Brazil has also shown he is a dual
threat. His great vision allows him to spot open teammates,
even from across the field. With his incredible leg strength,
Moura can send an accurate laser pass to a teammate or a
dagger shot to the back of the net. Opposing defenses will
have to tightly guard the attacking midfielder and take him
away.
He also has the ability to get back on Defence if necessary. His
strength and size allow him to disrupt transitions and take
the ball back for his team.
Manchester United has a young team, and Moura would
seem to be a good fit for them. He would add to their
powerhouse attack. His speed would allow him to move up
and down the field, and both his attack and defensive skills
would help the Red Devils be more successful in the
midfield.

..constantine..

I am one of the people who didn't want to sign Moura, although I always have trust in SAF, even with stupid signings like Bebe. After reading this article though it makes me think about how the first line of defence is attack, which could make him a great signing. I also posted a few days ago saying we don't need another midfielder, but strength in depth would be great, thanks for the article.

Jake

I dont mean to quible but I doubt we would sign Moura for his defensive skills.
I honestly dont think we will sign another winger or a midfielder as attacking as the talented brazillian. Kagawa plays the false number 10 role as can rooney and we already have 3 wingers plus giggs. A midfileder that can pass and play in a 2 or 3 in central midfield is much more likely..

19 Jul 2012 13:38:04
No no no no no, what are the Mirror thinking? This Van Persie rumour won't go away will it?

There is no chance he is coming to us - none, zilch, nada. As I understand it, Ferguson made a tentative enquiry on the cheap, was told "no way" and that was the end of it.

Put it this way - if both or either RVP or Moura sign for us in the window then I'll dance naked in the Stretford end.

Journo's writing rubbish and we are forced to persuade ourselves to believe it.

GEG

Someone else who talks sense we do not need either of them. Van persie is not getting any younger and is known to have injury problems which will only get worse with age, all that combining with the fact it would hamper welbeck and hernandez it'd be an awful signing. Might as well just keep berba for another season.

tomr

GEG

I'd be surprised if we haven't at least enquired after RVP. Fergie has been a long term admirer, and RVP has courted United's interest a couple of times in the past. He's a quality player and, if there's a chance of getting him for 10m - 15m, surely it would be irresponsible of us not to take it?

Put it another way... If you could get RVP for the equivalent of Berbatov + 5m, wouldn't you think he'd be worth a punt?

Whether he'd choose us over City, Juve etc is another question entirely, but I wouldn't be that surprised if he did.

DarkLard08

Yeah i agree but it wouldnt it be amazin if we did sign VP can u imagine rooney and VP up front kagawa just behind anto and ash and micky c holdin things behind them people r sayin we have welbeck and chica but i think chica is more of a ole gunner type impact sub and it wont do either of them any harm havin the 2 boys up front and learn off them....me personally id prefare RVP than lucas right now hed cost half the price yes hes 28 but proven quality and then buy another decent midfeilder for 20m....im not namin any1 cause theres so much speculation bout that position....ah 2 dream it would be nice doh...btw i dont think hel sign for city unless theres a major clearout of strikers but juve might even tempt the most loyal of players right now.....

19 Jul 2012 12:24:31
Come to my attention that the only real centre midfielder we have been linked with is Joao Moutinho.

I think the reason he is looking in other positions i.e Left back, Wingers and Strikers is because we have a bundle of talent coming through for the central positions as shown last night in the tour match.

The likes of Petrucci,Lingard,Tunnicliffe all coming through the system and performed brilliantly last night. They are all completely different but are all immensely talented, Petrucci is quality on the ball with quick feet, good range of passing and as he showed last night a hell of a shot. Lingard, is similar to the way Cleverly is with his pace and movement with quick passes and is now a modern player from the same ilk as iniesta. Tunnicliffe reminds me very much of a young Nicky Butt/Roy Keane, tough,strong and loves a tackle, he can break the game up next to a player like cleverly to control the play.

fearny

Excellent comment. I completely agree. There is a lot of talent in the CM position now. I don't see the need to strengthen that position with so many quality players vying for those positions.

I would love the see the likes of Powell, Petrucci, Lingard and Tunnicliffe given their opportunity to cement a position in the first team. I believe they will.

I would agree with that fearny, but our current mid-field selection is not strong enough. ever since the 1st loss to barca we have been praying that we would get a world class player or 2 in there... we haven't

YES the current group coming through look very very promising.... BUT can we wait for them to be ready.. they all need playing time to improve and will they get this.

given that Tunnicliffe is the only one from the group who looks like a strong dm/cm i would love for us to sign another one....

Martinez is and will always be by first choice, but m'vila has all the attributes to fill this role and would be a hell of a lot cheaper.....
I can understand the interest in RVP, and Moura but think that we need a strong mid-fielder first…. Signing Martinez would mean that we would then have 2 players for the DM role and also cover for CB (in martinez) so no need to have 4 CB’s in the squad and can have cover somewhere else..
Oxred

I agree that we can't wait for the youth at the moment. Our central midfield is just not good enough right now. It could be a season or two before the likes of Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Powell, etc are ready. IMO we're looking at 2nd or 3rd place in EPL and an early exit from UCL in the meantime. That's a hell of a gamble.

RedMonkey

Totally agree!..I don't think we need cover in midfield as we have loads of talent there...why bother with youth development if we're not going to play them?..people need to cast their minds back to the class of 94...

I'd love to see Moura signed as he appears to have that extra something,...the 'Ronaldo' factor.

94!? We have been trying to do the same since 94 but that's 18 yrs ago and very rarely happens.

We may have potential but what about the present. We sit back while City continue winning trophies with the chance that in a year or 2 we may have a midfield that's good enough. We have been trying to develop players for years and they rarely turn out to be good enough regardless of what anyone thinks. People base their opinions on watching these lads playing against other young mediocre players. There is a huge step up to premier league standard. WE should continue as we and develop players but we need players that are ready to make a difference now. We can always sell these when our youngsters are ready for the step up

I just worry that bringing in a top class- midfielder will slow their progression as there will be even less chance of them getting a game... I really see Petrucci and Tunnicliffe being involved throughout the season along with the more experienced players Anderson,Scholes,Carrick,Cleverley,Giggs etc.

Only reason I see us buying a midfielder is if we sell Anderson which isn't going to happen

fearny

Hmmmm, sounds familiar.

Oh yeah, its what we were saying last summer when we didn't buy a CM, only last summer it was Pogba and Morrison instead of Petrucci etc.

Lets just wait and see if a) they stick around and b) they come good, before claiming they're the answer to our problems. And our problems in CM are gigantic.

We wont be seeing any of this lot this season, in major games. So if you're happy to take a few hidings in CM off the big clubs again, fill your boots.

RED_SKY

Fearny

I do think those youngsters look very promising but they won't be regular starters for at least a year or two. We need someone for now IMO. I don't see it blocking any1's progression if we were to bring in just 1 quality CM - especially considering we look to be moving to a 3 man midfield. Anyway out of the names you mentioned - I would say it is highly unlikely that all three will go on to be regular starter's in any case. We don't often see a 100% success rate of bringing the through the youth

Having said all that, I wouldn't be surprised if SAF feels the same as you and disagrees with me!

Gav

19 Jul 2012 11:17:47
Manchester United is expected to start selling stock to the public as early as next week in New York, for pricing in early August.

the Glazer family is now looking to raise $300 million on the IPO, less than the $500 million previously contemplated.

Investment bank Jefferies is running the float reported the FT, but it added: "Morgan Stanley decided not to work on United's forthcoming IPO believing its owners were seeking an unrealistic valuation."

earlier in the week it was reported that fund managers who had seen the primary prospectus were "negative or lukewarm" about the prospect of buying shares in the club.

one other thing the our name on the stock exchange "MANU"
jred

The valuation could well be an issue with the Glazer's seeking to maximise their income/profit. Let's hope they are not too unrealistic or stubborn with it and that we can start moving towards being debt free

Gav

19 Jul 2012 10:03:40
I'd be interested to hear what people think about this RVP situation... For any Arsenal player we've been linked with over the last few years, the bottom line has been that Arsenal would not sell to United. End of. It was that way with Viera, with Fabregas and with Nasri. Can you honestly see Wenger letting RVP come to us?

I think - looking at the last few seasons - he'd rather sell to us than city

It's a fair point but after selling so many players to Man City in a relatively short period of time,Could selling to United be seen --extraordinary as it is-- as the lesser of too evils and the easier Transfer to swallow.

BornInToIt

Van Persie is going abroad.

At this point he'd be set on not selling to City, so if Juventus can't cough up its a very real possibility..

Not saying it will happen but really its not totally unthinkable

TM

However, arsene wenger says he does not want to sell to man city anymore, so its either juventus or utd

Im not sure they wouldn't have sold Nasri to us, i think he just choose to go to City instead of United. i think the extra 60 grand a week or so they were offering may have had something to do with it!

Andy B

To be honest i think if he and united want the move, and with the state his contract is in i dont think arsenal would have much choice personally. i mean think about it the other way round would united rather Rooney went to arsenal on a free or he went to arsenal for 10 million? but it remains to be seen whether he and united want the move at all, im always reading this story and that story. we've been definitely linked with practically everyone.

Personally I think Wenger would prefer RVP to come to us rather than lose another player to City which basically makes Arsenal look like City's feeder club.

Rjmanutd

We have done business before with Silvestre. But we were also offered Cole before he went to Chelsea, this was due to us having Heinze.

melwing28

Im certain utd wont sign van persie. arsneal players dont sign for utd and vice versa (except for a over the hill silvestre). if he signed i would be intrigued rather than excited as he has had 1 good season in 8 for arsenal with most of his time on the treatment table. if he and rooney did hit it off then watch out the rest of europe but there is that nagging doubt in my mind about his history of injuries

RVP is a realistic prospect IMO. He has a lot of respect for the club and the manager; and I think he would fit in very well with our style of play.

I for one can see a deal being done. He will not cost us an arm and a leg; and I believe he will probably want parity in terms of wages, with Rooney, which the club would agree to - IMO.

I shouldn't think his price tag would exceed 20 million.

When Arsenal were direct rivals to Utd there was not a cat in hells chance Wenger would sanction a sale to us.
Times change though.
I think if he had to sell he'd rather sell to us than City.
As to the story in todays Mirror, strangely two of their top journos in Lewis and McDonnell have attached their names to it. Thats a big risk if its not true as SAF will not appreciate being mentioned in a false story about him.
Make of that what you will...

Agree with the anon above...2 people attached their name to 1 story. You do not see that very often unless they have both heard the same story from someone reliable.

I really take it all with a pinch of salt...but £20m and £175k a week is what I think!

SB

19 Jul 2012 06:27:56
i want to know , has there been any interest from our side in Nuri Sahin?A fantastic footballer and i guess ,he would suit our needs better than moura...But whether madrid are willing to sell him to us?that is another question...Any idea ED's?

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE {Ed002's Note - Sahin has had injury problems this year but rumours do persist about his long term future. If he were to leave I would very much suspect a move to Italy (possibly with AC Milan) or a return to Germany (with Bayern Munich) would come before any thoughts of a move to England. Malaga also spoke to Madrid about the possibility of a loan and Galatasaray would like to take him to Turkey.}

18 Jul 2012 23:32:01
just some info my dad told me dont know how true it is but hes been right on a couple of occasions in the past he works for barklacys bank who have a massive call center in salford keys which is about 5 mins away from old trafford he told me that the security guards who some work at the ground ar provided by the same company as his work and apparently robin van persie was there this morning lets wait and see. Brooksy

That's funny

Now that's what I call a proper rumour! Got to love a bit of "my best mates mums sisters butcher" gossip! Regarding RVP coming to us, id love to have him here, but at the same time I'm not sure if he'd "fit". Some players just have a United "feel" about them and I just don't get that with RVP. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

Mirror claiming SAF has told friends the deal is done. Looking for houses recently. Could be true!

T0MB0Z

Yeah and Santa Clause came to my house this morning and told me Messi was signing.

He must have double then......sky sports showed him training with arsenal this morning.

Interesting as the Mirror reports;

Sir Alex Ferguson has told friends that Manchester United will beat City and Juventus in the race to sign Arsenal captain Robin van Persie in a £20m deal.

Nip

I used to get upset at these absurd rumors. But now that people seem set on being ABSOLUTELY SURE of things that never turn out to be true, it's nice to see the site getting back to its roots in comedy and entertainment. I hope your father's company's security guards' co-workers are correct.

Isn't Van Persie currently with the Arsenal squad in pre season training abroad? Just saying.

Arsenal don't tour until Saturday...Wenger is deciding whether to take RVP...just saying

Love it! Made my morning, brilliant! Keep em coming!
Boyley

18 Jul 2012 22:34:51
I've just been asked by a mate a random question with regards to our LB situation and wondered what you guys think of it.

He thinks Maynor Figueroa would be worth a punt on a 3 year deal as he's a on a free transfer. He thinks he would be ideal as cover for Evra.

I dunno what to think, on the face of it it could be a good idea. Figueroa caught my eye a few seasons ago but seems to have gone off the boil since. What do you guys think?

Shappy

We have enough average joe's already , dont need anymore.

I would take Figuero with a heart beat. dont know why he was never an option ahead of baines!

^^ thats why your not a football manager lol

A bit of topic for here but noticed the other day that Bosingwa is still available on a free transfer - decnt enough back up for RB - i know we have smalling and valenica that can feel in but not bad on a free - for LB? i have been to Winsdor Park plenty of times and seen Evans slot in at LB for Norn Iron

Figueroa is a fantastic defender i wouls love to have him at man utd he is underestimated if he was at a top club like us chelsea arsenal etc you would all be saying he brilliant lets sign up