Manchester United Rumours Archive September 19 2012

19 Sep 2012 23:29:37
I felt like i would throw up when watching our match, didn't expect such a poor performance from us. We wasted so many chances, crosses from flanks were aweful lot, and oh my God our midfield was over-run by opponents. Scholes was very unlike him...i think we still need to beef up our midfield, don't know if anybody agrees with me. Don't we have a good penalty taker? SAF should please do something about that. If we keed repeating this kind of woeful performance we should forget about qualifying for quarter final if we ever get through the group stage. I'm really dissapointed, this is not Manchester United i used to know...a team that was a terror to any opponents. What's really happening to our beloved team? or do we need to change the manager? Is he no more ambitious? Do we have to overhaul the whole squad? I doubt it! I like Kagawa, he's creative. Rafael is cool. Nani isn't consistent, Evra tried but should be replaced with the tough and attacking Buttner. Vidic is okay but has lost a little bit of his pace and dragon-like form. Scholes is our tallisman but due to his age can no longer match a physical side/midfield. We need more signing in January. ManUtd 4 life.

SAMFORD01

Have to agree........is nani playing to get away, he was awful........our midfield is being overran by most decent teams.......carrick passes every ball sideways........de gea was only bright note tonight....... also there was so much rust on fletcher it was unreal........ he looked no where near ready to be put back in the fold..... nice to see him back though....... hopefully we give Liverpool a good pasting Sunday...... we're due a good win over them {Ed007's Note - Can you please stop posting with all the full stops? It knackers up the screen width of the site as your post just becomes one continues string of characters when there are no spaces or breaks in the text. Mercy Buckets.}

Scholes just cant play 2 matches within a few days of eachother. If he is rested properly then he can run the show still.

Dan

Scholes was fine tonight in the role SAF uses him for. Our problem is that when our move breaks down teams counter attack, we don't have a strong dynamic player in midfield to break up the counter attack. Players are drifting past Scholes because he doesn't have the legs and too easily they are onto our back 4.
I know SAF has had transfer targets that he didn't manage to get, my disappointment was that we only bid (allegedly!) around £4M for Dembele. This isn't based on the Fulham match this season but on various matches last season. We could do with that type of drive in our midfield, and a physical presence that allows others to do their bit.
Some will say Phil Jones, but to be honest he doesn't look comfortable on the ball, he can carry/drive out of defence at times, but midfield isn't his game. He's said as much himself, he's a Central Defender but of course will play wherever SAF asks him.
I like the look of the purshases in the Summer, great additions, but aren't we left with that age old Central Midfield issue? We all have very high hopes for Cleverly, but even Barca have a destroyer in Busquets.
Trawlerman.

All some people ever say on here is we need a couple new players! Get over it we have what we have and probably won't sign a worldy midfielder in January! Tonight if rvp was on a bit more form and Toni had a bit more luck crossing it would have been 4-0 atleast! Then you wouldn't moan!
Just say fair play we didn't play we'll but we won! Chelsea didn't play many great games last year but ground out wins like that!
Plus if carrick missed they would have had 10 men and that would be game over!!!
Q

I agree our midfield get's overrun way too often and it's slightly embarrassing. Dan - Scholes is still a nifty little player but even if he only plays one game per week he struggles to play the 90mins well and track back. We need a good CM'er, bigtime

Gav

To even suggest about replacing SAF is a deep insult to the almost impossible success he has brought to the club. He could relegate us and as far as I'm concerned not get the sack. He is unsackable. We narrowly won a match against a good team. What's the problem?

Butter takes a good penalty

Love Fergie for what he's done for us over the last 26 years, absolutely the number 1 manager, in any sport, anywhere in the world.

However, he is looking old fashioned with his tactics, approach and stubborness. I would ber happy for him to carry on till he's 100 but I think over the last few years other managers have moved the game on and we are still stuck in 2005.

I think whenever Fergie next wins the title or Champions leage, he will retire and Pep will be drafted in. Just hope we arent waiting forever for that next title, how quickly have lfc run up 20-odd years?

DanW

19 Sep 2012 23:08:28
Went to the game tonight and Nani did ok , bit of a fanny in the tackle and getting psyched out by the goalie for the pen. This apart he was one of our more creative players.
Kagawa is class but his deft touches are far better than his long range passing. Him and van Persie haven't quiet got each others frequency yet and when it does click it will be sublime.
From just behind the goal in the Stretford end we are missing someone in the box when Valencia crosses, good crosses too just no-one there . Jonny Evans had a good game but seemed to pull up in the first half , hope we get all our defenders back to rude health. Fletch had his boots on the wrong feet but great to see him back. I some times wonder if we would benifit from making substitutions earlier than the standard 69-80 minute mark, everyone realizes we do it and wait for us and react immediately to the options we throw on.

Damage

19 Sep 2012 21:41:13
The Nani penalty was poor HOWEVER on the whole I thought he did much better today than in recent games, his passing crossing and general link up play was good at times. One penalty miss doesn't mean he should be sold, and those calling for his head over that one moment are being rash.

MelonRed

Is this a wind up? He was AWFUL! Probably 20 mistakes and two maybe 3 successfully passes. He needs to go

They must of shown a different game on tv to the one i went to because nani was crap
johndenton

I went, and I completely agree MelonRed, his link up play with Evra was great at times, you can see he wants to play out right by the amount of times he kept wandering over there, but overall a good performance by him.

Jake F

I agree but it wasn't hard to perform better as he's been sh1te recently

19 Sep 2012 21:21:35
This is what happens when you don't sign players to fill the positions your squad is lacking in. SAF has failed to improve the midfield and the defence and by that I include Kagawa who IMO has yet to show he is world class although I do hope I'm completely wrong. Nani is a complete donkey regardless of the missed peno, a headless chicken who frustrates his fellow players and fans every game, I cringe when others' post their own deluded recommendations that we should sell Nani for 25M, we wouldn't get anywhere near that for him which is why he hasn't been sold yet and then there's players who are even less talented as him like Evra who is embarrassing at times yet still starts despite Buttner showing him how it should be done last weekend, it makes no sense and whilst I'm glad that Fletch is back, there's no way he should be on that bench if he isn't 100% fit, what's SAF playing at? If he keeps making this ridiculous mistakes then this is the way we're going to play every week and I for one am angry that he has allowed this to happen

Flimbo

Your knee-jerk reaction is excactly what is wrong with so called "supporters" today. Get a grip, watch the game again and watch Kagawa's movement and ability on the ball. And your comments on Fletcher are disgusting, im not sure who they're more insulting too Fletcher or Sir Alex.

Andy B

You are a deluded supporter, Kagawa has been one of, if not our best player this season! And as for Fletcher, how is he going to be 100% fit with no gametime? he has to slowly feed him back into the squad, you need to start questioning your loyalties, and question who knows better, you or SAF?!

Jake F

You have no idea what your on about.Kagawa has shown already how much he is world class,if you can't see it your a lost cause.

Ferguson should go i know hes done so much for the club but hes lost the plot the last 3 years everyone know we are a soft touch and have no spine in our team carrick , scholes in our midfield ok with smaller teams but a half decent midfield dominates us every time ??? we need someone to compete city, real madrid , barcelona etc will walk all over us

The post of an person as simple as. "Kagawa is yet to show he is world class" - We are 3 or 4 games in? And also I think he has slotted in very well so far, touch and awareness are excellent and should only get better. I think Nani bar the penalty actualyl played quite well, yes frustrating at times and inconsistent but certainly one og the more creative plaeyrs this evening, its the fans favourite Valencia who was poor last night, best aprt of his game crossign was truly awful.
Finally "no way Fletcher should be on the bench if 100% fit" - of coruse he isnt 100% fit he has been out for 10 months with a chronic bowel condition you utter tool
Invisible STuey

Stopped reading as soon as i read Kagawa has yet to show he's world class. You clearly know nothing as so many people can see he is pure class already and will only improve. Like in most of the games he plays in for us, he stands out as our best player. So alert and consistent.

Ozwald

19 Sep 2012 18:50:46
Confirmed line-up:

__________DDG
Rafa__Evans___Vidic__Evra
_____Carrick___Scholes
TonyV____Kagawa____L.Nani
________Van Persie

Sydney!

So i was one player out... i said rio instead of vidic.

JK92

Cheers!

-JakeW

Well done JK92, it's a stronger side than I anticipated. The manager clearly wants to make sure of this win. I also think Scholes playing tonight means he will not start at Liverpool. Lindegaard will play against Liverpool and Rio has been rested for Liverpool.

Sydney!

I think the team you posted originally syd was stronger....

lucky there at the end scholes giving the ball away and carrick making rash challenge that could have been a pen....

really wish ando, clevs and buttner would have started....

oh well...

Oxred

This is how I would like to see the first team apart from Rooney will play where Kagawa is and Kagawa would take Nani's place on the left.

Dan

Dan, spot on mate. That is the team I would play against Liverpool. Defensively I would swap Evans and Evra for Ferdinand & Buttner.

Sydney!

Syd ... you want to see that again ??

very average performance.....

still think we should play ando & clev in the middle to see if they hit it off like last season.....

if they do with the additonal of kagawa and rvp replacing wellbeck & young we could be onto a winner...

the only issue is fergie... can not see him doing this now...... he loves carrick, his love child fletcher is back and scholes is a legend and fergie is still living in the past.....

oxred

Oxred,

Ando and Clevs were in more of a diamond when they played together I dont think it would work as well with the other players in the team.

Dan

Also, Vidic is getting away with a lot atm he needs to find his feet again because in those battles where he usually would win he is committing fouls and being a little late in challenges. I'm sure he'll come good though and I think Evans deerves to be up their with him and Rio in terms of being thought of as a first team regular.

Dan

19 Sep 2012 15:30:34
If the interest we had in Isco wasn't already strong then I am pretty sure that it is very strong now after yesterdays showing. He is the perfect replacement for Nani. Personally whether Nani gets a new deal or not I don't expect him to be here come September 1st next season. We would be able to get Isco for half the price of what we can sell Nani for. For me, Isco should be a nailed on target for next summer as then we'd have fluid attacking midfielders like Kagawa, Rooney and Isco with proper wingers like Young and Valencia (Young could do with going on the outside a bit more though).

I also wanted to ask the question to anyone that wants to contribute - we know that Giggs and Scholes are going to retire come May. However do you think that we will also ship out Evra and Ferdinand? Fabio hopefully will carry on doing well at QPR, and Buttner's progression hopefully continues. Evra has been a great servant to the club and could still be a classy player, but would we need three left backs? And if Ferdinand goes who do you think replaces him in the squad? Someone established like Benatia/Rannochia or someone inexperienced like Liam Moore?

RedDevil19

Why must we sell ferdinard and evra?.they are our experience players.one of the reason why fergie and united have been so successful over the years is because we hold unto our experience players for the younger ones and newcomers in the team to blend in united way.carrick and ferdinard,evra,rooney,vidic,fletcher are the next experience players when giggs and scholes finally call it a quit.

Giggs and Scholes might be offered new contracts as they are still important to the squad and its obvious SAF wants them around for longer. Ferdinand will only be offered a new contract at the end of the season if he plays more and his performances improve from last season. At that age the club offers yearly rolling contracts at the end of each season if the players agree.

Dan

Yea,I will Nani to be replaced by your Isco come next September.
As for young,he is a total failure.

I cannot see Giggs getting another contract after this year.

melwing28

Scholes could retire at the end of this season but if he continues his outstanding form up the whole season then i can see him staying on as he just loves it. Giggs is going to stay on into his 40s i reckon. Evra could go but i can't see it and Ferdinand is going no where. He wont want to leave and SAF wont want to sell him as he's simply a fantastic role model for the younger ones. We have plenty of youth in our squad, just get ready to see them start playing more often and taking over from the more experienced crop.

Ozwald

Giggs needs to go, he's been shocking the kast 3 years.

Scholes will go if we bring in the right player.

Rio may stay 1 more year to train Smalling up.

Evra has a contract till 2014 so if we're selling it needs to be summer, or let him go on a Bosman as a thnaks for his service.

I do think it is out of those 4 and then deadwood like Macheda, Bebe etc.

The young players do need experienced players to learn from but what kind of message does it send to Cole & Lingard if a near 40 year old in Giggs is still hanging around in the 1st team squad.

If we need to keep Giggs & Scholes experience then give them coaching jobs!

Scholes and Giggs will both retire at the end of the season in my mind.

Fresh!

I'd let Evra go if we have Fabio and Buttner as options next season. Personally I would keep Rio for another year - to allow Smalling and Jones to develop further (hopefully free from injury!). Although I love Scholes both he and Giggs need to retire this year. We need a clean break IMO we need some refreshing in the middle of the park

Gav