Manchester United Rumours Archive November 01 2010

01 Nov 2010 15:45:45
Personally think all the Schweinsteiger talk is just the player and his agent building up to contract renewal talks. It's the third time this has happened with Bastian, and each time lots of stories hit the press about him moving just before negotiations open. He'll stay at Munich. Unfortunately.

DarkLard08

01 Nov 2010 14:49:22
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OK for the sake of this site Allegedly. Little Spud faced nipper has been sending a limo round to Chorlton every afternoon to pick up a young girl to take her to the Lowry hotel. Most of her neighbours thought she was the one who would be named in the Rooney case. The papers are sitting on it hoping to trade for a better story. As for Ravel Manchester United have now gone so far as to employ a psychiatrist to help him as they fear for his mental health and also they are very very very worried about who he is hanging around with. Going round to someones house with a gun is not very clever. Also good to see people on this site realising what the Bebe deal was all about now as Fergie uses his favourite agent to do some laundery for him. RAINFISHTROMBONE {ed's note - cheers mate, I have heard both stories myself, I fully expected the Rooney one to come out by now, but I guess it is not that big a story right now.}

01 Nov 2010 14:48:22
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£4.8M IS WHAT GUIMARAES VITORIA RECEIVED FOR HIM, THE REST (33%) WENT TO MENDES (THE AGENT). BUT UNITED PAID OUT A GRAND TOTAL OF £7.6M FOR BEBE.

Right so logically this means any other rumour of price on here needs to be bumped up cos no one is taking into account agent fees. Defour was quoted by someone on here being worth 10-12m so we would pay 15-16m in total?

OF COURSE NOT, USUALLY THE AGENT TAKES 10%, THE PLAYER ALSO RECEIVES 10% AND THE REST WILL GO TO THE SELLING CLUB IN INSTALLMENTS (USUALLY).

IN THE BEBE CASE, MENDES RECEIVED 33.3% (APPROX) OF THE FEE (7.6M), BEBE ONLY RECEIVED AROUND 3.5% OF THE FEE SO AROUND (£266,000) AND THE SELLING CLUB RECEIVED THE REST 4.8M (APPROX).

THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS APPEARED TO LOSE OUT IN THIS DEAL IS BEBE AS HE IS ONLY ON 90K A YEAR IN WAGES AND ONLY RECEIVED A 3.5% SIGNING ON FEE INSTEAD OF THE 10% MENDES SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR. BUT THAT IS THE CON, MENDES WOULD NOT FIGHT FOR HIS CLIENT TO GET HIGH WAGES OR A HIGH SIGNING ON FEE AND MENDES WOULD RECEIVE A HEALTHY 33% CUT.

ITS SCANDALOUS BUT CAN BEBE COMPLAIN? HE WENT FROM GETTING AROUND £200 A WEEK TO 1, 700 A WEEK AND HE GOT A QUARTER OF A MILLION PUT IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT, HE NOW PLAYS FOR UNITED, TRAVELING THE WORLD.

SAY UNITED PAID 10M FOR DEFOUR, 1M WOULD GO TO HIS AGENT, 1M WOULD GO TO DEFOUR AND 8M WOULD GO TO LIEGE. DOES THAT HELP?

01 Nov 2010 14:00:55
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Editor Rainfish posted some rumours regarding Rooney & Morrison which was not edited by one of the editors, can you tell us what they rumours were?

Remember you can cover yourself by using a very good word

'Allegedly'
{Editor's note - I was not online when they were being posted up so I do not know what was posted in}

Ed if Rainfish put the word 'Allegedly' into the post would you then post it? I do believe it covers your back?
{Editor's note - Why would it cover our backs?}

@Because any other chat site, including strict ones like 'the sun' will let you write anything in as long as you right 'allegedly' in the comment, i have also been told that as long as you say allegedly you are allowed to talk about any rumour through the media.

I could be wrong but newspapers, news channels & the media always use the word allegedly and it stops them from getting in trouble so surely if Rainfish told us what he wanted with the word allegedly in it then it covers you guys from getting in trouble? {ed's note - yes mate, so long as it is not too far removed from football, using the word allegedly helps. I usually add it myself if the poster doesn't use it.}

@I think if it wasn't footy related then he should be allowed to post the rumour, although if anyone wanted to ask him more questions or people started talking about it with each other then you should cut it out. But i think the reason people love this site so much is because of there freedom of speech and the fact that usually this site will post it. This is by far the best site i have been on and i like it for that reason.

I would imagine you have had some harsh warnings by some top cats but the word allegedly will stop them from taking legal action and if this Rainfish rumour is posted just the once then its not likely these top cats will see it as long as its posted just the once.

Could Rainfish post his rumour the once as long as he uses the allegedly word?

Sydney! {ed's note - I haven't seen it, so I can't say, but if he posts it again I will have a look, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be posted though.}

01 Nov 2010 12:45:00
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Question Ed. .If the reports are tru and SAF is not planning to spend in Jan, why do you think he is so reluctant? Did we not sign Evra and Vidic in a Jan transfer window? hardly bad signings. Also does a new face not refresh the team? {ed's note - there can be only one reason for SAF not spending on a team that is clearly in need of investment. I don't think I need to spell it out for you, I think Rooney said it all at the same time he said was not going to sign a new contract and would leave the club.}

@Completely disagree with this editor, why do United need investment in January? What position do we need to strengthen in January?

I know we need to invest in the summer when certain players retire but why do we need to buy now? Also if we do not buy anyone in the summer then we can panic but we have no reason to buy in January. Can you answer these questions please Ed?

Sydney!

{Editor's Note: A different Ed, but it veery much depends who is available and who is coming to the end of their contract. I am sure SAF, being as shrewd as he is, will buy if a player he wants comes available.}

01 Nov 2010 12:34:02
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Why is everyone worrying about the January window. SAF has said he wouldn't buy in January for years and then he did. Saha, Larsson, Evra, Cole, Vidic. He will always say he's not going to buy, to stop media coverage and other teams nicking our targets.

Lets see what has happened by the end of next summer, then we'll know if we're truely in trouble.

My guess for our starting XI

Lindegard
Rafael
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra

Nani
Fletcher
Defour
Bale

Rooney
Chicharito

Still not world class, but a few more in the following year will help.

01 Nov 2010 12:02:46
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Question Ed. .If the reports are tru and SAF is not planning to spend in Jan, why do you think he is so reluctant? Did we not sign Evra and Vidic in a Jan transfer window? hardly bad signings. Also does a new face not refresh the team? {ed's note - there can be only one reason for SAF not spending on a team that is clearly in need of investment. I don't think I need to spell it out for you, I think Rooney said it all at the same time he said was not going to sign a new contract and would leave the club.}

01 Nov 2010 11:59:10
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"I am not too surprised as whilst Fergie rarely buys in January it also merely confirms the situation we are in. You have to ask whether the manager can see the weakness in the team? Whilst everyone is talking about the second goal yesterday , actually they missed the fact that we were not a much better team than Spurs. We were two evenly matched teams and that is a real cause for concern. Maybe the manager feels this is time for re-construction , that is understandable but what I can't see is a plan to repay the debt or to rebuild the team. I am seriously worried by the managers comments on the older players, particularly Scholes and Giggs plus the fitness long term of Rio. The manager says he sees the decline of the old players but they are like family. He is struggling to make the tough decision to replace them and then there is the point whether he has really been given money to spend.

My judgement is that the Glazers will not want to lay out any money until as late as possible next summer. My feeling is they will want to wait to spend anything until after the close of the 2010-11 accounts. That would mean that they could announce a big profit in 2011 and then take out some juicy dividends to help pay towards the PIK's. Then they could spend money before the close of the transfer window but in the next financial year.

As to Rainfish comments on Gill, spot on. Someone questionned me the other day on why I would want to see us decline by letting the protests damage the financial health of the club. Well , what is happening now? It depends on how you see our financial health now , having to jiggle loans to bonds to prevent the banks doing to us what the RBS did to Liverpool, PIK debt at penal rates of interest because it is that risky, no plan to repay it or the bonds and shockingly more money going out of the club in interest payments than on players. We are now struggling to buy top players. All we are doing is treading water, surviving , yet some think that is ok.
The financial pressure will come anyway as when we don't win anything this season combined with a declining quality of team and player, then season ticket and corporate sales in May next year will be more difficult than this. That will make it more difficult to spend later in the summer.
The pressure is going to come to the Glazers, it is just when. Yes, protest , it will bring it to a head sooner than later and we are going backwards anyway. It is going to be a bloodbath financially at some point, at least if it is now we still have a chance of keeping the players and our reputation. Letting Gill and Glazer carry on as we are means a slow decline over the next 3 to 4 years, then with the debts increased and our best players long gone, we will be in bigger trouble than if we deal with it now. I can see it, my friends can see it, Rainfish can see it but it appears that a few Glazer apologists on here or relatives of Mr Gill cant. There will be buyers of the club out there but the pressure is not yet enough to force a sale.

Finally, I noticed Gill is the highest paid Chief Executive in the Premier League according to reports this morning, paid in solid silver, 30 pieces of it.

Red Man"

1. You and rainfish are quite good at framing your words redman but i sometimes do not get the logic behind it.

2. On your second para- What financial sense does it makes for the glazer family to delay taking dividends and pay off the PIKs? I do not get it at all why people think they will take them late next year or so. The PIKs stand at 225mil at this moment and united have a 160mil cash balance and an additional 70mil credit to draw upon from the bond, with a little investment they could easily pay them off now, but if they wait they will rise in value and will become difficult to pay. Every day we see that no money has gone out to pay the PIKs the more i become sure that they are not going to take the dividends out and are planning to sell for a huge price in 2016. Just could you please explain what financial sense you see for them in waiting till as you suggested late this financial year.

3. About the third para. I was the one that questioned you and you have managed to dodge that question without actually answering it perfectly. You say what good is the situation now. Agreed it is not good or great but it is not bad either. You see that nothing is completely black or white currently with any football club's finances it always is in the middle, but that does not mean we go on protesting more "in hope and desperation" rather than truly having a plan. You ask what plan glazers have for paying off the loans, well what plan do you have with these protests? You said the club's situation is no good and yet you are trying your utmost to make it worse and again "hope" that it will put glazers financially under pressure but read the next para and think again if it really can.

4. Suppose each and every united fan gives up his season ticket and does not buy merchandize and only occasional visitors go to OT and buy shirts etc. Now the clubs revenue will be hit to a maximum of 100mil or so, a big amount certainly. Now united have the 160mil cash in the bank to cover up for these losses. Lets say another year happens the same thing, still the glazer family has the 70mil cash credit to draw upon to pay bond interests. I do not see how you even hope to put the glazers under immediate financial pressure to sell. It will be at least 2 years before they are under any pressure. But what you certainly would have done is prevented that amount to be used by SAF to buy players.

5. About gill being the highest paid CEO. Well after having increased the commercial revenue so much, i think he deserves getting paid what he does and that sum would be paid to him regardless if we were under glazers or under someone else.

6. It is quite amusing to see you calling people like me who do not want to damage the clubs' finances and become blood suckers ourselves as gill's relatives and glazer apologists and whatever new ingenious names you come up with. This team is not in decline redman, it is being rebuilt. You said you want to see glazers show significant investment and fair enough but i hope you agree that the investment in the squad should come from what united make itself. I think keeping vidic at the club, giving rooney a new contract, signing one of the best young strikers currently, signing the most impressive young center back last year in smalling responding quickly to arsenal's offer and wrapping the deal up blowing 7.5mil on an unknown are good starts on seeing investment. If keeping our best players at the club at whatever cost it takes is not an investment then i do not know what is. (Now please do not give the argument about ronaldo and tevez as the former was driven by his childhood dream and we did really well to keep for an extra 2 years and tevez as you yourself said went becuase of berbatov and nothing else.)

7. Which comes now to SAF's value for money comment which i believe in. You seem to be wanting a 40mil or so star signing desperately, but i think this summer we will see SAF buying, not the 40mil signing you hope for but the types at which SAF is best. The 15-20mil range. I believe we can get de gea or neur for well under 18mil, schweinsteiger is making all the right noises at the moment about leaving and with only a year left on his contract next summer my bet would be on SAF at least making a bid for him to strengthen our midfield. And i think we will bring in defour and that will be it. Also sir alex will do his usual balancing of the books as well with kuskjack, probably anderson (if he does not do a nani) and some of the young lads if they do not impress in this season. SAF has had a habbit of giving the youngsters 2 years to prove themselves and then let them leave. I expect us to spend around 30mil net this summer.

8. Something not related to this post. You seem to be quite disgruntled with carrick and park so i think it would be much appreciated if you even spare a little praise after some good performances. I would also love to see your analysis on bale who you believe will add something to the united squad looking so ineffective and lacking any ideas against rafael (a known history of not being the best at defending) and brown(not a regular right back) and even luka modric looking so ineffective against a midfield which you consider nowhere near good.

REDSENSE

01 Nov 2010 08:41:42
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To all editors, surely there is something that can be done about that pest Blaire Maine YNWA. He seems to stalk the Manchester United page looking for victims. At the moment he seems to have a bit of a crush about me and Red Man it makes me feel really uncomfortable. He obviously knows nothing about football and is just using it as an excuse to trawl these sites trying to meet and connect with victims. I am asking you on behalf of all Manchester United supporters on this site who wish to talk about United keep this weirdo off our site and move him onto another team. Chelsea would probably suit him with their liking for rent boys. Don't pretend not to see what is going on. Stop him now. Get Blaire Maine banned from this site. RAINFISHTROMBONE

{Editor's Note: I will try appealing to his better nature.}

31 Oct 2010 23:57:54
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As schweinsteiger is being linked with united alot on websites and newspapers i think he would be a class signing in the summer and during the world cup he said he loves bayern but if one club came in he would want united to be that club so hopefully it will be! and with his contract running with 18 months left on it he would reportedly cost sround 22 million but i think a swap berbatov and 5 million would be more likely so we have funds for another striker to replace him i think podolski around 12 million so what do you think ed in the summer mmaybe schweinsteiger and podolski?