Manchester United Rumours Archive September 01 2014

01 Sep 2014 22:33:06
TV Italia saying we are getting Romero before the deadline. Looks like lindegard is going.

01 Sep 2014 20:12:07
Hearing about a late push to get Guarin, should have been off to Valencia on loan but deal broke down, Real Madrid also interested apparantly.

01 Sep 2014 19:27:22
welbeck not at arsenal no deal

Might be something to it! They've reopened the betting on his next club.

Maybe indicates it's not done!

They backtracked and said that Arsenal have said no medical has been done and there is no deal agreed. (as of yet I assume)

He just joined arsenal, if you don't already know

01 Sep 2014 17:51:24
Eds any news of a late bid for anyone even though it appears only fans think we need CB and CM reinforcements? Anyone know if the RVP rumour of an op is true?

{Ed004's Note - Seems the rumour is true and Blind and Falcao look like the last deals}

01 Sep 2014 19:22:04
Really hoped for vidal this window. A bit gutted we've not got him thought he was a cert at one point. But all in all a very good window. Are we to expect strootman in January?

I think juve were trying to scrape every penny out of it and then we left it too late, it was widely reported they had to sell to spend but they seem to have bought well. Maybes there relying on going further in Europe.

01 Sep 2014 19:13:00
Man brokering the deal for Welbeck has said that the possible fee will be from 15-18 million GBP. (BBC 5 Live)

01 Sep 2014 19:27:29
Cheap if lallana cost £25

Ssn are saying welbeck not having a medical and no deal to be done

Rip off if Balotelli cost £16mill.

Don't understand why everyone seems to obsessed with what other teams pay for players!

If I was I would comment that United paid £29million more for Herrera, an uncapped 25 yr old with no premier league experience and a scoring rate of 0.07

Whereas Liverpool paid £4million less for a 26 yr old full international, with 2 years premier league experience and a scoring rate of 0.2!

But then that would be petty!

Clubs will pay what they think a player is worth, some clubs will value players differently, that's supply and demand!

{Ed007's Note - We've had this discussion before about scoring ratios on the LFC site. It was agreed you lot were wrong, a goal every 0.2 of a game is 5 goals per game (0.2 x 5 = 1) or a goal every 18 mins.}

Umm sorry, but that is simply about how you interpret it, I would suggest you are interpreting it differently to the majority.

A scoring rate of 0.2, I, and most others I think, would view as 0.2 goals per game. Not 0.2 games per goal.

In the same way you would count number of successful passes per game, tackles per game, shots per game or assists per game, not number of games per successful pass (although that might be best for United's midfield at the moment!)

The same system is used in Baseball (eg 0.333 hits per at bat), same in cricket (eg strike rate of 67.7), same in rugby (points per game) same in almost every sport worldwide as far as I can see.

Although that does detract from the point I was making about the relative prices of players.

{Ed007's Note - You didn't explain what formula you were using so there's no need to apologise for being wrong. You can't just type random thoughts or numbers and expect people to follow your train of though.
We have a baseball site if you want me to post a link up, we use the common sense system in here.}

Common sense would dictate that I meant 0.2 games per goal, not 5 goals per game, surely?

It would not be common sense to think that I meant Ander Herrera scored on average 14.29 goals per game!

However, the scoring ratio was never really my point.

I don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with what other teams pay for players. Each club values players differently. Chelsea could have taken Markovic for half of what Liverpool paid, they decided not to. Doesn't mean anything really!

{Ed007's Note - Don't be a 3.14159. We use traditional British football talk which is a goals per game ratio, not some Americanised trendy nonsense you've borrowed from a game of rounders. Look at this time-stamp on the LFC site: 24 Jul 2014 11:31:24 where it was explained before.

Goals per game ratio? Like I used in my first post that you then said was wrong?

I'm now totally confused, that's exactly what I said in my first post (0.2 and 0.07) goals per game.

You said quite clearly that a 0.2 scoring ratio meant 0.2 games per goal or 5 goals per game. Which would have meant that 0.07 would be over 14 goals a game. Are you now saying that that was wrong?

Baseball, cricket, rugby, oh and football, all of these sports use the same scoring system, why are you having a go at baseball in particular? I don't understand

Is deadline day getting to you a little Ed007?

I really don't get where you are coming from apart from trying to belittle a Liverpool fan for the sole reason they are a Liverpool fan posting on the United board. Should I just stay on the Liverpool site from now on?

But then I'm sure you won't accept that you just read my original post wrong, you will either not post this response, or just be offensive again.

I really do appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put in, the sites are all great, I visit everyday (not pausing the ads at the top and keeping the volume on as I know that helps) but I just don't get it when it becomes offensive, from the users, or especially from the Eds. It's a real shame, in an otherwise exceptional operation.

Anyway, I hope you can all relax a bit after silly season guys and gals, and reflect on a job very well done!

It seems that the original point about valuation of players will not be discussed, and in that case I bid you good night!

Cheers everyone, happy international break!

{Ed007's Note - I thought it would confuse you, I'd imagine it's not a difficult thing to do. How can anyone score 0.2 of a goal it's not difficult is it? Normal people would say he's scored 2 goals in 10 games or he's averaging a goal every 3 games, not he has scoring rate of 0.2, if anything it reads he hasn't scored in 2 matches as in 0 and 2. Do you want to talk about batting averages?}

Reddawn,

At what point has bond been offensive? Because he tried to explain that what you were saying makes no sense? You need to strap a pair on.

01 Sep 2014 18:40:39
Falcao medical underway at Harrington.

Bloody predictive text. Carrington!

Did he take the wrong turn?

Can not believe we have got Falcao. I've had city, Liverpool and evan Everton fans saying "we can't get top players, because of no champions league". Well look at what we have done. Bigger and better signing than all these teams put together. The lure of United.

01 Sep 2014 18:27:45
Sky sports: Welbeck having arsenal medical. Why are we strengthening a top 4 rival?!

01 Sep 2014 18:52:28
Strategically weakening them you mean.
Or perhaps to take points from other top 4 rivals?

Ridiculous to sell him to arsenal. he has his haters but i'm certainly not one of them. really like him as a player. falcao wil soften the blow though :-)

This makes no sense, firstly Arsenal refuse to sell Vermaelen to us because we are a rival team, then we accept Arsenals bid to take him to the Emirates. I feel this May bite us back if we fail to make top 4 because of his contribution or worse if he scores against us in a game arsenal beat us in.

Why are you man united fans so superior, you signed mata from a rival . Besides I can't see wellbeck and Fellani from rivals

Im not in favour of this move really. It would be upsetting to see him turn into a genuine Arsenal star, in the 30%~ish chance he does become world class.

We should have sold him to Everton, Tottenham or QPR/Newcastle.

Well Atleast they didn't get Falcao.

01 Sep 2014 17:38:15
Falcao will land at MAN airport at 17.57 in a very nice Cessna 525A CitationJet CJ2+. Will, as usual, be routed through the private jet terminal.

Seen it fly over my house.

01 Sep 2014 13:56:53
Ed,

Any truth that we've made enquiries on morgan schneiderlin?

Cheers

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware Dave.}

01 Sep 2014 14:49:51
I hope we have. I would take him all day long. Doubt Southampton would want to lose another player though.

Southampton have said many times they don't want to lose him. Love if he came to us but can't see it.

Cheers ed,

Do you suspect that's our incoming transfers done?

{Ed002's Note - Yes Dave.}

01 Sep 2014 14:09:45
Leicester want Lawrence on permanent deal and Powell on loan.

MU have accepted a £3.75m off from QPR for Will Keane.

Burnley want Anderson.

Cleverley is Villa bound.

Welbeck Spurs bound.

Any other deals in the pipeline please post.

Tom Lawrence permanent to Leicester and Nick Powell Loan to Leicester

01 Sep 2014 14:21:09
Everton had 8m bid turned down

Anderson will go back to Portugal before Burnley. Burnley wouldn't be able to afford his wages for a start.
Villa cannot sign Cleverley until he lowers his wages demands, they have pretty much pulled out

01 Sep 2014 11:48:40
Richards is off to Fiorentina? Does that mean Cuadrado could be on his way out?

Ed002 is there any update on Cuadrado?

{Ed002's Note - Neither Barcelona nor Chelsea were interested in an auction - he will have to stay.}

01 Sep 2014 10:44:08
we need to build a midfield first carvalho vidal don't understand the starting from the front is he going to change his system hope so its boring

I imagine the midfield and back is also being worked on.it is just out there as it would be such a big signing
Also, the sort of signing that would encourage other players to come.

Well if RvP needs surgery this makes sense. And seeing Chicha leave too and it seems Welbeck may be off to Spurs for a loan it makes total sense.

However, we do also need the centre backs we've all been craving and a CDM.

CBs no idea but Carvalho is an option

01 Sep 2014 08:55:56
Ed002 if you are about you heard anything of the Falcao to United? He does appear perfect for United in as much as he's not a Midfielder or defender.

{Ed002's Note - Last Wednesday in Monaco the club put a price on Falcao for a sale - with the expectation that Real Madrid (where he wishes to move to) would pay it. Their concern is that at his age the asking price is far too high. There were also discussions with Juventus and with Valencia. Since then there have been approaches made to the English clubs - Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City. The situation as I understand it this morning is that:
- Chelsea saw him as too expensive at his age and went for Remy as their first choice is not available.
- Arsenal considered his age, his price, the possibility of a loan price and his wages and whilst they would like the player, seem to be trying to tie up the permanent transfer of Carlos Bacca instead (they will need to up the offer they made - but they might be doing that with others today as well).
- Manchester City would not be interested in buying him at the offered price but would consider a loan to buy - but there is a major concern over his knee and they want a clause which will drastically reduce his wages and the loan fee should it turn out to be a problem.
- Manchester United are interested but again the price and wages are an issue. On Wednesday Manchester United used a third party in discussions and I understand that third party was again involved last night min trying to broker a deal that might be acceptable. If the club want a deal done they will likely need to concede most of the financial negotiations.}

Should we do the whole squad number conspiracy theory thing again. Falcao, Monaco #9. We seem to have a vacant #9 slot.

Too expensive for United. I'd prefer Huntelaar or Benteke and spend the extra on a CM and a CB!

Great buy if we get him will tear up the league

Season-long loan deal with option to buy I think.

It's done! Only a loan move but a fair coup for United in my eyes!

Some reports refer to loan move with £12 million fee and £200k per week, with an option for a permanent move. Others refer to 65m Euro 4 year deal with salary higher than Rooney!

You pays your money and takes your choice! Just so long as we get him!

Without doubt the best transfer window ever!

Sky reporting just £5m-£6m loan fee.

31 Aug 2014 21:34:19
Hi Ed

Is it true MU have lost out to Arsenal on Carvalho?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - There is no completed deal for Carvalho at this time.}