Manchester United Rumours Archive August 20 2012

 

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20 Aug 2012 22:52:40
Can somebody please provide me with a serious answer.

Why do players take corners when they cannot beat the first man? It really confuses me. How can a PROFESSIONAL footballer consistently not beat the first man from a corner?

MPez

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It's amazing isn't it?
Do we not work on these things in training?
Hopefully, RVP will change that. His first touch was to take a good corner..so hopefully..:)

RedMist

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Near post Nani strikes again!

Toby

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Nani cannot hit a decent corner embarrassing for a professional never beat the first man

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I always say the exact same. I'm sick of it!
SB

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I loved how RVP came on and straight away took the corner. T45

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Have faith my friend. We are united!

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Im sick of nani allround lol.

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We never score from corners because we never vary our delivery. Fergie and phelan should be doing something different, but we have waited years and our corners never change, so don't hold your breath.

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Nani is the man to answer this question. He is the world's leading expert on not clearing the first man with a corner kick.

Andrew B

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Teams must love it when he plays.I can hear the comments now, don't worry about giving away corners it's only Nani taking them nothing to worry about and we might get a counter attack going.

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Bring back Becks!!

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It's not just his corners, his crosses are consistently diabolical aswell. Nani is an absolute shambles of a player. Having him on should be considered a risk, hoping that he will play one of his 10 games per season, out of near 40 odd games where he is good.

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This has always wound me up about Nani! So much so that even my wife has noticed and it annoyed her last night, and she hates football! I can't understand why we didnt start with valencia on the wing and rafael at right back, or is he not fit?

DanB

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20 Aug 2012 22:51:32
Anyone know how much time our defensive line has been injured, seems the whole lot are on the physio table permanently

Carrick at cb why oh why did he mark Fellaini who last game bent him over?oh well Everton was a hard game to start and with cb injuries it was always looking bad

Pardoe

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But why not play whooton. He Is a centre back.
Fergie not got a clue. {Ed004's Note - Why don't you leave a name. You have posted several times now stating how Fergie does not have a clue etc}

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I couldn't understand why Carrick was marking Fell, and not Vidic at set pieces?! This made no sense to me. No way would Vidic have let Fellaini get to the ball to head it in from the corner.

Ozwald

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I dont get why our best header of the ball and captain vidic wasnt marking fellani?? just dont get it!!

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20 Aug 2012 22:38:57
reading some of the posts I see on here and I can't help but laugh.

It's as if everyone was expecting us to pick the ball up and turn into the Brazil side 1970s side. It really is laughable.

We got beat because Fellaini played out of his skin and against a big midfield we got pushed around. no other reason.

If we had Rio, Smalling, etc. things may have been different but we lost our first game and that's the fact of the matter.

no excuses, just beaten by 1 exceptional player tearing our back line a part and the Everton back line being as solid as a rock.

I'm pleased with DDG, Evra, Kagawa and strangely enough Nani (he looked raring to go and positive with his runs).

RVP didn't really impact the game but I'm not surprised in the slightest with the little amount of training and game time he had in pre-season.

overall, I'm not to bothered, we have 37 games left and I'm sure we'll play well over the course of the season.

The Moon.

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Agree with all of that Moon.

I would say thought, i think we need to get used to RVP's play and movement. We need to realise we can play it into him in tight areas, be direct and use his expertise between CB's. That will come hopefully.

Bad result but i still feel confident we'll click sooner rather than later.

RedMist

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Agreed. Don't think it was quite Nani's night tonight but these things happen. He did looks sharp though. Few players needing to find that sharpness which will come over the next few games! Lots of positives tonight, we will get stronger once we settle. No need for concern!

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Agree with most of what you said, but i thought evra was lacklustre and i normally defend him when people say he's past it

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Agree with you Moon, however your praise of Evra and Nani is completely wrong...... Nani showed glimpses but did nothing and Evra was shocking again, his positioning / touch was awful and runs were lacking everything, hopefully this latest signing can G him up or simply replace him.

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You thought nani was good? Do me a favour. And United team got beaten because ONE everton player played well? Is this good enough? No it bloody well isn't.
We can't get beaten by everton because one of their players had a good game. Come on stop making excuses.
We were outplayed full stop.

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We did get bullied by Fellaini, his performance was virtually a carbon copy of his one at OT in April.
Thats my only concern, we appeared to have leaned nothing from that game.
Then last night we learned nothing from the first half. Instead of trying to win the header with Fellaini why not concentrate on the 2nd ball?

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20 Aug 2012 22:35:57
Disappointing, a deflating end to a day of excitement at United finally getting back to action in the league. Everton were solid, fairplay, they'll have a good season this time, good team.

But Fellaini was allowed to bully us, we simply have no steel in the middle but to be fair we were patchwork defensively. De Gea was excellent, Kagawa looked good his linkplay with Rooney especially at times. Van Persie didnt have time or opportunity to do anything really, but overall it was a fairly toothless performance.

We need a dominant, assertive showing at OT against Fulham.

RED_SKY

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Fulham has had many fantastic performances against you lot. Don't count your chickens as they were just a few points back of everton last campaign.

- Logic

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20 Aug 2012 22:28:24
i know it is onky the first game of the season but tonight we have seen why we need a fellaini type player if not fellaini himself a wondeful player who can out jump most and hold the ball up brilliantly definately worth a punt at £20m+, secondly evra was incredibly shocking he never tracked back always relied on welbeck to pick up the pieces and that drew danny out of position which made him look bad, also nani was really poor too 6 or 7 crosses in the last 10 minutes were shocking, and how did fellaini not get booked he had 5 fouls looked over from andre mariner that all were bookable offences, lastly on a positive note kagawa was brilliant always on the move linked up well with rooney and played some nice through balls, cleverly played well also, dont like valencia at RB he never gets up and crosses as much as he would if he was RW instead he always passed to nani and he wasted the cross, bad start to a tough season hopefully we can get the defence sorted out properly and get a decent box-to-box CM in who can dictate the play and get physical with the toure's and fellaini's and cope with the skillful players silva's nasri's also a good eye for goal too, looking forward to fulham now another tough game with them being on a high hopefully we can get back to winning ways and RVP can get his first goal, thanks for reading peeps.

Macca!

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Everton fans are happy with long ball I can't see fergie doing that! we had Midfilders in the defence I thought we could of got a draw but it wern't to be! so what! Fulham Saturday get a win then hope the great bredan Rodgers gets a result aganist city!!! Flectcher to come back aswell!! who ever finishes higher than Man Utd will win the league

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20 Aug 2012 22:27:44
Well what can we learn from today's game? What I learnt, is that we are in some serious need of a new midfield enforcer, type player, like a Roy Keane, but younger than Carrick, and Scholes, a player much like Fellaini, and a player that can bring a physical presence to the team when it is needed. Although in times I believed we were playing nice football, we was soon hunted down by their midefield (Fellaini). A player like Witsel, would really do it for me, and I am begging that what his father said, was either a misunderstanding , or is not true.

Also, the amount of times I sat on my chair, begging for Nani to pack his bags, I mean how frustrating was he to watch tonight, I believe Young should have made an earlier appearance, and I believe that Nani is no longer needed at the club, obviously, he is one of the players that brings glimpses of the beautiful football of early years to 08 back, and makes us flabbergasted at some of his runs, but he is not consistent enough, to be higher in the order than Young, I rate Young very highly!

This time last year, we were very nervous about David De Gea, but tonight, he has showed me why he is United's number one, and why he deserves to wear the shirt, I mean, he is the only reason we didn't concede more! Hopefully he is going to be here for a while!

As for new signings, I am very optimistic about Kagawa, I believe he has the potential to be a big big name, like your Xavi's and Iniesta's, he showed us that with some lovely through balls, and some brilliant darting runs. As for Van Persie, I know he was in need for some match fitness, but I believe we should of introduced him into the game a bit earlier, Welbeck was not in his favoured position as we never seemed to play the ball that side, Van Persie, also, showed some glimpses of why last season he was the best, and why we spent 24 million on him even if he is older.

Finally the last issue is Evra, he wasn't his worst, but his crosses tonight really had me in tears, every time he was struggling to get past their first defender, I'm very hopeful about this Buttner, he sounds very good as for what some close friends abroad have said to me, and by Christmas time, I expect Buttner to be top of the pecking order until Fabio joins back at the end of the summer depending on his year.

So hopefully I've given you an okay read, I don't usually spend time to write a massive essay like this, however just thought I had to address some issues, just in case SAF came stumbling across this website some time ;) I would also love some feedback by Eds, or Syd, and any other's that feel like they need to say something I didn't.
U.T.I.D (Tommy)

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20 Aug 2012 22:21:12
I was wrong . I'm dissapointed but football is a beautiful game an a player like Fellini is the reason we love football an the reason it's beautiful. Would love to have him but I don't think he would leave an if I was moyes a bid of no less than 35-45 million for tat sort of class serious he bossed the game an most games I have liked him for awhile an watched his approach an his talent grow the guy is amazin. All in all not a really bad game we didn't win but de gea got tested first game an passed by all accounts vidic looks good should of started wit young then injected nani's pace in the last half hour when they where on the back foot an RVP was only on too I really think that could of changed I'm not sayin fergie was wrong but the line was a lil weird sort of a patch up job so even though I was sayin 3-1 I am not really surprised everton where the better team in the first we where great in the second at time wel on to Fulham

CAIN

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20 Aug 2012 22:20:18
SAF, calls for a big strong midfielder are ringing!! Witsel? Wanyama? Sahin? Dembele? i'm not bothered, we just need to have a player in CM that can break up the play, and challenge people like Fellaini and Yaya! and also in that poor performance, why was Valencia at RB? Rafael is fit, and Valencia is the best RW in the league!

Jake F

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I didn't get that either, valencia should have been on the wing as nani was poor as usual, i don't see why SAF keeps faith in him he's never going to get any better he needs cashing in and replacing.

Keylo

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Because last time we played everton, rafael got torn apart! fergie obviousley thought it better to play toni there this time!

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20 Aug 2012 22:14:18
There was so much that was wrong tonight it was unreal. Fellaini was awesome, have to admit that and made the difference (and not just because he scored the goal). I have had enough of Nani. He is way too inconsistent to play for Utd and should have gone off quite a bit earlier. Evra wasn't great, made quite a few mistakes and did get caught while attacking a few times. Carrick got caught in defence a couple of times, and showed he's no defender by getting beaten for the goal very easily. Welbeck and Rooney seemed a bit wasteful also.

However, I saw a fair few positives. Kagawa was fantastic playing quite a few good passes and always looking for the ball, De Gea showed he's grown since last year and he'll only continue to do so. Van Persie didn't get that many touches but seemed keen to impress and played some good balls, noticeably corners that got past the first man and will only get more into out matches with a bit more match time. But most importantly, Vidic looked good and appears to definitely be getting back to his best.

I'm disappointed with a loss, however it was always going to be very tough and Everton deserved the win. But the main concern was we didn't always show lots of attacking intent and often passed sideways or backwards when we could have gone forwards. Saying that Tom Cleverley was unlucky with his shot off the line.

I think however we will learn from tonight and come back with a vengeance against Fulham on Saturday.

SK

p.s. Did anyone else notice how thrilled Alan Parry (who I am still convinced is the worst commentator going) was when it became apparent we would lose and promptly did?

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Hate that about Sky Sports - you never get United winning one nil at home and sky cameras constantly panning to the subs bench every two seconds.

Everton on the night were better than us - simple as!
Everybody knew at the start of the match what their game plan was gonna be but united didnt do anything counter it.
You can't go to Goodison Park with two defenders but why in the name of jack and the beanstalk was Carrick marking Felliaini at corners instead of Vidic?

Valenica is wasted at RB, our midfield is too weak imo for the EPL, Cleverly is a decent player but he's not gonna stamp his authority on a match and Scholes still has the brain and passing but a yard or two off the pace, def think we needed a cdm.
Rooney was very disappointing seemed slow, bad touches and not interested at times.

DDG and Kagawa were the only two showed any promise, Kagawa looks a brilliant find, lovely touch, control and always wanting the ball, unfort we didnt play to him enough.

Finally Nani, he can either be World Class or a pudding unfort it was the latter once again, simple passes went astray, crosses not beating the first man and overall just a poor sloppy performance, most frustrating player i have ever seen - bags of potiential but only shows it a few times a season imo.

Its a disappointing start but it is only the first game, hopefully we can get some Dmen back and come back strong against fulham.

Giants14

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20 Aug 2012 22:10:32
Well if ever a game showed how much we need a cm that was it and fellaini was outstanding,not much to moan about in regards to the way we played we just need to adapt quickly to our new style of play,the only worrying thing was rooney didnt seem even halfway fit and his first touch was shocking. Hopefully he will improve sooner rather than later and as many said over the past few days carrick is no centre half and is crap inthe air but its the first game of a marathon andi,m sure we will improve and be up challenging when it matters

Onecut

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OMFG!! Depair and disbelief two words sum that depressing match up, we looked like a team barely capable of challenging for the title in league 2, plain and simple.

De Gea and Kagawa were our best players believe it or not with VIDIC and Scholesy close behind, our midfield was tore apart and every player in midfield bar scholes have another assh""le to defecate from

Our worst performance bar none, and clearly SAF needs to get that cheque book open and sign a class midfield player before its too late, this team can no longer and I repeat NO LONGER rely on Scholesy to carry us. FFS Paul is too old to carry us for 90 minutes and have every other player not give it there all, I am totally disgusted with how united performed tonight and how our players were positioned!! Rooney was well below par and both him and wellbeck were defending at LB cause Evra was AWOL

LBH unless we sign a Midfield Maestro we won't challenge for anything plain and simple

Nani - Shocking, loss the ball and not with it
Carrick - Fellani ripped him a new AH
Valencia - Dismall, did not want the ball
Evra - Caught ball watching time and again
Cleverly - looked for Scholesy help to much
Scholes - What more could he do to win A+
Kagawa - Terrific both on and off the ball
VIDIC - Lead from the start, looked isolated
Wellbeck - one trick too many, lacked heart
Rooney - Defended great looked lost up top
De Gea - Went from Zero to Hero tonight

I can't condemn the subs - 20 mins does not count for overall score albeit that Everton shut up shop after scoring.

Slate me and hate me but SAF got it wrong, mids in defence just did not work and Rooney was lacklustre. RVP should have started at kick off and Rooney on for wellbeck in the second half
I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS

REDDEVILFAN

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I totally agree with you REDDEVILFAN, its o.k everyone saying "dont panic, theres 37 games left" the fact is we should be winning these matches! everyone who watched the match last season knows carrick who is crap at heading AND takling! shouldnt be marking felleini, who is quality in the air! with the team we have there, we should be better than that! nani, evra and carrick all need looking at replacing because they are not good enough for us! if we can get anywhere near 25+ mill for nani, he needs to go! and replace him with another winger because young isnt good enough either. evra is past it, and has been for 2 years now! id rather have fabio at lb than evra. carrick is only good enough as a squad player for us, he isnt good enough to be relying on every week, i know he is a good passer of the ball, but he passes backwards and sideways too much and slows the play down! surely everyone can see this problem?

duggo

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20 Aug 2012 22:09:35
Sorry but everyone will now bang on about how we should sign fellaini but i couldnt disagree more. We were poor tonight and Everton were committed but the day our full backs recieve the ball and aimlessly fire it long at a physical presence upfront is the day i shed a tear for manchester united. thats all Everton had and if we had more defenders available Fellaini would not have had so much joy.
We looked rusty but that will improve. have faith


stuey

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I completely agree. We were a little weak in the middle due to injuries to the centre-halves and with the CDM situation being uncertain.

I would not want Fellaini at all. Everton were outplayed and outclassed. They got a dinky goal off a corner kick, that's all!

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Yes we were poor tonight and it didn't help playing only 1 winger as it makes you unbalanced from the off but anybody who watched the game tonight must admit that Fellani was quality and ran rings around our midfield and not just in the air as he played numerous clever one twos and lovely triangle passes with Pienaar and Jelavic but the main thing i couldn't understand is Everton won nearly every header tonight so why did we persist in trying to put crosses into the box all night

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Agreed we couldn't use Fellaini in our team it's more our cb,s are always injured.

Fair play DDG great match he will be a legend

Pardoe

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By playing Carrick in defence , SAF didn't only weaken the team at the back tonight. He also weakened us in midfield .SAF saw fit to play Wooton in most of the pre-season !! and yet when we needed a defender due to rio's injury , the boss bottled it and played Carrick out we of position !! Thus weakening both defense and midfield !! I fear history will prove SAF'worse decision was to bring Scholes out of retirement ! we lost Pogba because he didn't get a chance . And yet SAF still puts square pegs in round holes ! Scholes is a legend .... but time waits for no-man
Please Sir Alex , address the teams needs and give us a dynamic midfield ! ie Keane and Ince .

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Fellani was far to good for all our defenders including Vidic, so I am at a loss as to how more defenders fit would have helped.Truth is we were pathetic no cutting edge in midfield and Scholes was lucky to still be on the field on a few occasions.We had plenty possession of the ball but were hopeless at doing anything with it.

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Everton played the game to there advantage, they knew we were down on our defence and capatalised on that, its what any football team would do, look for the weakness and tonight it was effective for them.... it won the game and got them 3 points, all credit to them....
HERBIE

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Everton fan here to the 3rd poster well done mate you seen that we played good football and not just a long ball we have the ability to mix our play that was our advantage if you think back to last year at old trafford we played some quality football and again last night .good luck for the rest of the season. imwt

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I'm sorry but I really couldn't disagree more with this post! I think that you are a bit wounded and bitter after the defeat, so you are trying to belittle and criticise Everton when they in fact won the game which at the end of the day is all that matters. Fellaini is a top, top, top player and I have known it for a while now. You say that all Everton do is aim for a target man (Fellaini) but did you not notice their one touch passing between pienaar, osman, fellaini, baines and Jelavic? Also my friend, you have a very short memory if you think Fellaini can not fit in our team then you are dillusional. Remember the 4-4 game last season? His passing was absolutely astonishing, the way he held the ball up and bought other players into the game. Everton may have played some long balls up to Fellaini but they recognised we were weak at the back and capitalised on that! It's called tactics you person, and they got theirs spot on.. To any Everton fan who reads this well done, you played fantastic all through the part and played some great football. Good luck for the rest of the season.

TheHorsesHead

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20 Aug 2012 22:08:16
Wow! This match was exactly like the last match versus Everton at Old Trafford, which in all likelihood caused United to lose the title.
Fellani manhandled the midfield, just like the previous match. Osman looked like a world-beater in comparison to United's midfield.
Obviously to everyone, United need a dominating midfielder that will control the flow of the match and be a ball-winner.
How many times tonight did Fellani and Osman overrun United's midfield and defense?
Scholes is always reliable, but Cleverley appears to just make short passes and not be proactive in attempting to shoot on goal or create opportunities for the strikers.
Overall, Vidic, Scholes, De Gea and Kagawa played well, but in regards to the remaining players, there was a lack of energy or passion to score and defend.
Times are tough in the economy, but if United do not upgrade their midfield with the likes of Cabaye, Moutinho, Witsel,Strootman, etc., or upgrade the central defense, it will be a long and frustrating year where United will not play up to the high standards set through the years. It is time to invest in the squad!

United forever.

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20 Aug 2012 22:08:11
Why can every single poster and editor on this site and everywhere else in the world realise that we need a quality solid centre midfielder but sir Alex ferguson can't, as Gary Neville said the game is changing and teams don't play so much with wingers anymore but through the middle, he is too stubborn and stuck in his old ways to agree. I was one of Nani's fans all last year but tonight I wouldn't mind if he gets sold, not one of his corners passed the first man, not good enough considering that is what his strength should be and the position he plays where crossing is vital. Kagawa and de gea were the outstanding players for us, Rooney - not been himself for the past 2 years for me, never once took the game by the scruff of the neck, looks like he isn't interested anymore.

If this game doesn't make SAF realise that we need a solid centre mid who can compete with the opposition and keep possession, pass, tackle and shoot then nothing will, there's numerous players out there so theres no excuses anymore, we're not skint coz our signings this year prove that. Time to act now SAF or it will be another story exactly the same as last year, getting beat by teams with better midfields.

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I couldn't agree with you anymore mate your spot on!

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20 Aug 2012 22:04:41
I did say we would be lucky to get a draw tonight. Fellaini & Co against just Carrick and Vidic was never going to be easy, we needed Carrick in midfield and Smalling, Rio & Vidic in defence. I would have let Jones man-mark Fellaini in midfield too. We didn't have the personnel to prevent Fellaini tonight. Everton were always going to play the long-ball game, it's very boring to watch, but effective. Then when they scored they parked the bus which gave us no space. Our attack and midfield were nervous as we didn't have a settled defence so they were not committed to pushing forward. We were so unlucky tonight, we really couldn't have played a more difficult game without our defenders. Well done to Everton.

I liked the look of Kagawa and Cleverley, but we need that Witsel type in midfield. Witsel instead of Scholes may have made a difference tonight.

Sydney!

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Syd, IMO, Carrick wouldn't have been enough.We are CRYING OUT for a steely, no-nonsense, physical box-to-box midfielder to compliment the likes of Kagawa who impressed me tonight.

This Hector Herrera lad we're now linked with - not being funny, I've travelled a lot in Latin-America and big, physical beasts to butt heads with Fellaini and Toure etc are rare!

RED_SKY

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Jeez, as a neutral watching on, can't you just admit you were outplayed in all areas tonight, give the opposition a bit of credit. Passion lacking from united

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Agree with most of what you said Sydney, it's worrying the amount of times we have injuries to our central defenders, last season was the same( with the exception of Vidic which was just 1 of those nasty ones), Smalling, Evans,Jones and Rio all seemed to be carrying injuries most of the season, not sure why it seems to be such a massive headache for us to keep them fit!, agree regarding midfield, we def need something different in there, if Carrick had been in that role iv little doubt that he would have struggled, he seems to hate playing any team that press and close you down quick.
Is Witsel the answer?, I don't know but I for 1 am surprised we havnt strengthened that area yet.

Charla

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Unlucky!!
Your keeper pulled off 4 great saves and we hit the bar and the post. Unlucky my a**e.
However after us I would want you lot to win the League because I do not like greaseball Mancini and the more league titlesyou win the more it riles our reds***e neighbours

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UNLUCKY with injuries dopey.

Sydney!

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20 Aug 2012 22:03:45
Disappointed with Evra, Valencia, Nani and Young, when he came on. Rooney didnt look interested.
Was impressed with Kagawa and De Gea, Happy to see Vidic back, Need a player like Fellaini to boss around our midfield. The players we have in midfield cant compare to the physicality they are going to face throughout the season.
Witsel, Strootman, M'villa, Khadeira or Fellaini. IMO our our options for this position, Lb is needed sharpish, Had a look at buttner and he seems to have everything evra had when he arrived, pace, good tackler, Likes to get forward but again lacks the will to get back sometimes and can dive in a bit recklessly.
Hope another midfielder is on the way.
James.

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Alexander Buttner is still learning defensive duties, don't forget he originally played LW similar to Jordi Alba, look how he's turned out. Here's for hoping!

Ozwald

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20 Aug 2012 22:02:33
The only two United players who deserve their pay this week are Kagawa and De Gea - the rest were abysmal. No guts, no guile, no good. We need a strong holding midfield player and a Rio replacement, and we need them NOW!!
Mike B.

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I agree, the whole team bar those two looked really lack lustre. Nani was his inconsistent worst, the game seemed to pass Cleverly by, and Rooney was non existent throughout. I don't think Howard had a troubling save to make. Such an anti climax as we look forward to that for 3 months. I know we had a mixed up defence but it was up top where we created very little indeed. Early days, so bring on Fulham on sat and let's hope for a reaction.

Sambo

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De Gea and Kagawa were both exceptional. Cleverley looked good at times but really should have scored with that effort. Really p***ed off after that game, would have been great to win it.

Ozwald

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We have replacements for Rio that are good enough but all 4 of them are injured!

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20 Aug 2012 21:00:54
I don't think there could of been a 45 minutes that better demonstrates our need for a player like Fellaini. He is bullying everyone, and with his clever play, he is getting onto the players that can't challenge him physically (i.e. everyone but Vidic). Our possesion has been too negative and we need to get it moving forward quicker. Looking forward to see RVP come on!

RedDevil19

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You think Pogba would have helped today, just saying. We need a physical midfielder.

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I know that, you know that, every united fan knows it..... the only person who does not see it is ferguson...... we never replaced keano, and until we do, we will never win the major trophies again.

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Couldnt agree more. What we need is a midfielder who can protec the back four and boss the midfield physically to allow kagawa who was our best player by miles to have more freedom. Surely Fellaini would be a good buy for this

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Negatives...
Carrick is not a midfielder or defender.
Valencia wasted at full back
Midfield is physically too small
Wellbeck is not a top class player

Positives.....
De Gea kept us in the game
Kagawa looked very bright
Cleverley looked ok

Bullseye50

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Said all summer we should get him. He can play anywhere in the centre and offers such a physical presence. He controlled every ball on his chest tonight! But others seem to think lets get Baines. I sometime wonder if people do watch our games.

melwing28

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We were poor from the off, nothing in midfield again. Complete lack of any real creativity and no ball winner. Much the same as last season, I know its early days but something has to be done if we are to have any chance of winning the league. For me Nani is not a UTD player he cant cross a ball to save his life and is not a patch on Ronaldo, should sell him and get someone else in. ( ready for the flaming)

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20 Aug 2012 20:55:33
Massively impressed with Kagawa, Evra and De Gea, so far they haven't put a foot wrong.

Not to pleased with Toni, he keeps forgetting that he's RB tonight!

Have to say, Nani is impressing me too! It looks as if it's the same Nani we saw at the European Championships.

The Moon.

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Are we watching the same game
nani was frustrating all game.
nearly every cross didnt go pass the 1st man.

TRUMORS

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Nani impressed you?

We must have been watching different games. The guy has one of the worst footballing brains of anyone to ever step foot on the Old Trafford turf. I know Nani is the marmite of Manchester United, but his constant poor decision making drives me insane.

MDJ

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De Gea and Kawaga looked great, the rest of the team looked incredibly sluggish and slow
Scholes having his moments of brilliance at certain points in the match.
Nani and Evra were awful I thought, and this match proves why SAF should buy Fellaini to replace Carrick...
Anderson is a failed project at this point

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Could not disagree more about evra, nani and valencia. evra has carried on his usual form from the past 2 seasons in that he doesnt track back, gets very lazy after one phase of defending and generally lets the defence down. nani can go for me. hes greedy, takes on too many players, waits too long to release the ball, say to an overlapping fullback, his crossing is just diabolical and he has maybe 4 or 5 good games a season.
mitch

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Do u even know know how football is played? Nani and Evra were rubbish.... i m a man utd lover as well.... but Kagawa and De Gea were outstanding ...cleverley/scholes/rooney/vidic- good, ...valencia/carrick/welbeck- average

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Not sure which nani you are watching?

Jack

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Are you joking?

Nani impressing? Evra looking good?

Wow your one of them deluded fans.

Nani was beyond poor, evra well thank god we have signed a left back.

Carrick is beyond crap, and how u can have our best player playing rb when rafeal is on the bench is a joke.

Fergie cost us the game with thag rubbish 11

STRETFORD ENDER

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Evra is finished and nani is either brilliant or poor theres no inbetween and he was awful the nite and why is he aloud 2 hit corners

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Sorry moon but you must of watched a different game nani was very poor every cross or corner never cleared the 1st defender
johndenton

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Also nani was equally as shocking? #

Macca!

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NANI?? Have you just watched the same game as us??


TEDDY BEAR

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I thought Evra and Nani were poor, Kagawa was our best player, De Gea still needs to man up a bit and command his area, Schmichel would have taken Fellaini and the ball along with Carrick.
RVP will start against Fulham and we will come back it's one game in and this game was always going to be hard. I would've taken a draw before kick off, so to take a positive we've only dropped a point in my eyes. haha
Flyhalf.

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Evra was by far the worst player on the pitch what game where you watching?

Macca!

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Hey Moon you watching a different game to me? Nani blows I admit to starting to despise him

Pardoe

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Nani has peaked at United. he needs a fresh start somewhere else. He should be sold before the window closes and buy Fellani or a player of similar stature and ability.

KB

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What game were you watching? Nani did his usual, couldn't get the ball past the first man, lost possession over and over. He NEVER has 2 good games in a row. How we haven't sold him is beyond me!

melwing28

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Are we watching the same game? Nani and Evra were awful. Nani could not beat his man and he hit the first man every set piece. As for Evra, well words fail me. He was terrible. To think he was our captain last year..... bad night for the boys, but we will be back. Have to say I thought Kagawa looked promising and I thought Clevs also looked promising too

Redpedro

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Evra looked so poor, compare him to Ashley Cole, similar age but Cole has'nt looked like he's on the decline yet, in fact I've been more impressed with him recently than I ever have, Sadly I think the time is up for Patrice! Nani was awful, Ashley Young will never be good enough for united, Scholes the legend that he is is past his best! We need a monster in that midfield like Tiote and a left back otherwise I can see a repeat of next season all over again! TonP

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Nani and rooney worst 2 players on the pitch. carricks never a centre half, get him back in midfield where he is much better kagawa looks top classs

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Nani was his usual moaning below par self.

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Carrick is not a centre back. He won't head it.
Evra was ok, think you're being a bit hard on him.
Nani was poor. Always supported him but he drives me mad sometimes.
Kagawa, Dea Gea and RVP all looked sharp.

A bad fixture out of the way, lets move on.

RedMist

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20 Aug 2012 19:06:58
De Gea; Valencia, Vidic, Carrick, Evra; Cleverley, Scholes, Kagawa; Nani, Rooney, Welbeck.

G.A.G.U.S

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20 Aug 2012 18:36:46
After signing Robin Van Persie, Manchester United have 6 of the top 11 assist makers since August 08.

Not too shabby.

MPez

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Didn't help much tonight
Paul Belfast

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20 Aug 2012 18:00:48
Just been reported somewhere that we are very close to signing 23yo Mexican midfielder Hector Herrera.
He was in the Mexican team that won Olympic gold. Liverpool and udinese are also in for him. And no I haven't seen him play and I don't know how reliable the report is, just thought I'd post it anyway.

Supasub

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20 Aug 2012 17:12:17
United are expected to complete a deal for Pachuca's 22-year-old midfielder Hector Herrera before next weekend. [calciomercato]

SAF = Sir Alex on Fire !! :D


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20 Aug 2012 15:45:43
Man Utd looking at Ryan Fraser of Aberdeen. Fergie didn't get the chance the view the wing wonder at first hand last week in the Neil Simpson benifit game as the player was away on international youth duty, but trust me, he is monitoring the situation very closely.

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I'm from Glasgow but a huge United fan and I can tell you that this boy is talented. Very tricky winger, like an old fashioned type of winger who likes to get the ball down and run at full backs. Not ready for a move away from Aberdeen yet and could do with a good few more seasons in the SPL to mature, improve his game and toughen up.

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20 Aug 2012 14:45:13
With the central defender crissis , ManU is looking for young forces. One on the list is Montenegrin international ,with the British passport, Danilo Sarkic(17). Sarkic is player of the reserves and U19 of French FC Sochaux Montbeliard .Leftfooted, 6,2ft new Vidic to be, Sarkic , is well kept by French Fc Sochaux Academy, officaly rated best development academy in France.

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20 Aug 2012 15:58:58
Report that De Rossi is staying at Roma and another report that axel Witsel's dad, who is his agent saying he is staying at Benfica as they have not received an offer for him.

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20 Aug 2012 15:39:17
Talk sh1t have an interview with witsels dad saying his son is going no where.
Sorry for copy and paste-
Speaking to Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure, he said: "I swear I have not had any offers. Axel will stay, he has a three-year contract."
 Warrington red

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Is his father also his agent?

MDJ

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I believe that just as much as van Persie's father saying his son wouldn't join an English club and we know what happened there

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20 Aug 2012 15:15:45
With the news that Buttner is doing a medical with us today I would like to point out a few things.

Firstly he is much more of a midfielder than a defender, plays wide left a lot and is even on the Vitesse website as a midfielder. However he can do a job in defence although he is very raw and can dive in a little too often and is a little lazy getting back into position. He does have a good left foot and has an eye for goal as well as that left footed cross we are all craving for.

Secondly, if at the reported 3-5m then this is a risk that is worth taking. A player who is very much like Evra when we first signed him and has all the attributes to be a great player for us, and if not he is young enough that we can recoup the majority of the few in a few years time.

Thirdly, I do however feel that he isn't as good as Fabio and next year it will be Fabio as first choice (depending on this year at QPR) if SAF calls it a day on Evra. Looking atr the game yesterday it looks like Fabio is really pumped up for this season, prob QPRs best player.

Would love to hear some more views on Buttner from those who watch the Eredivise and Vitesse more regularly than myself.

Paso

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Not seen anything of him but I read something yesterday that said he can play rb and lb.
Warrington red

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I think he will do fine! Evra was also a midfielder and look what manutd made him into, a world class player!

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Fabio was shocking on saturday for qpr he needs to come on alot this year if not he wont make it at man utd

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Fabio got ripped by dyer so dont know what game you watched

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You've got to be kidding, Fabio was horrid, probs qprs WORST player which is saying something.

SqueakyBum

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I just worry as there hasn't been interest in him from other big teams, only lower ones in our division. We did the same with Forlan and looked how that turned out. But I am pleased we didn't waste so much money on Baines, a back-up is all we needed. Good decision in the end.

melwing28

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Warrington Red -
Buttner is a very similar player to Glen Johnson in my opinion, although he has the added factor of being talented. He can play in both fullback positions but is better further up the field.

Everyone else-
Look at everything good that qpr did yesterday, albeit not much, and Fabio was involved most of the time.

Ok he had a bad game but so did all of the qpr side, however i dont remember many of the other 10 pllayers trying and completing 40 yard passes, i thought he linked well with hoillett and actually was reasonably good positionally.

When you watch the game back you can see the qpr midfield left the full backs woefully exposed and normally having to deal with 2 men at the same time which resulted in mistakes.

For a player who hasn't played much in the last 18 months I think he has done ok and was prob the best player for qpr. and will improve as the year goes on.

I would like to hear other peoples reviews on the subject rather than just abject negativity.

Paso

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20 Aug 2012 12:19:55
sky sports news are saying that we are intrested in a loan move for kaka? and we should be signing alexander buttner soon

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Kaka to United is nonsense.

Ozwald

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"IF" the rumour is true, sky sports are saying it has stalled because Real Madrid want United to pay 60% of his wages and SAF is only prepared to pay 20%. Not sure if i want it to happen or not even if it's true.
Would rather we went for Witsel, someone on the rise instead of decline.
Flyhalf.

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Ozwald

I would agree with you but dozens on here said that RVP was nonsense and looked what happened :)

Giants14

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But surely a loan deal is low risk. I think a Man Utd squad with Kaka is stronger than one without. If he could even find a bit of the form we know he had, he would be more useful than 50% of our current midfield. Maybe we have a deal in place for a midfielder for next season and need a stop gap!? who knows!

Sambo

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I dont kno y people try to be a manager? We r fans..our motive is to see team perform well. Who plays where..we need some1 or not is managers job. We can have opinion on a current squad for a bad performance. But not for a player who isnt here.
I m sure football managers wont like my straight reply.
Let Saf thinks who is best for us. Rest enjoy the game
Rodio17

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I found it quite funny how sky sports started the story then put a story out saying they've slashed the odds , think its a money making scheme for sky myself

Dustbin

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Buttner having a medical today apparently!

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I would think that Madrid would bite anyones hands off to take him and potentially reinstate a worthwhile sell on fee. If anyhone can do it, it would be Sir Alex.

That said, it's surely nonsense and I pray he doesn;t come to Old Trafford.

MDJ

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Who is the midfielder for next season Sambo ?

Gaz

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Apparently his salary is in the region of £200k per week, not sure it would be good from a business sense to pay £120k per week for someone who is on the decline. He'd only be here to top up his pension and I doubt would contribute enough to warrant consideration.

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I agree with Sambo it is low risk, And surely we won't be using Giggs and Scholes for every match, I say play them in the cups and use Kaka in the league & CL. (TheInvisibleMan)

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I will eat my smelly socks is this comes to pass.....without any ketchup or mayo or even mustard!

Also, it would make the Kagawa signing even more bizarre. Why spend £12-15M on Kagawa only to sign a striker who may force him onto the bench AND THEN sign a player who plays in exactly the same position. I can't see it?

RedMonkey

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Us getting Kaka on loan would have little or no bearing on whether we went for Witsel. Kaka would be deployed as an attacking midfielder, Kagawa can't play every single match. A rotation of Kagawa behind Rooney and Kaka behind RVP would be nothing short of amazing. Even last season, he had 41 appearances with 8 goals and 14 assists. He had more appearances last season that any other during his time in Madrid, sure he's not the player he was in 2007/08 but he's still got more class than many others in the PL. Imagine what he could do to an opposition if he came on with 30 minutes to go...he'd tear apart a tired defense! It's clear that SAF has wanted to bring in players to retain the ball as high up the pitch as possible...Kagawa, RVP, Powell are all great at holding the ball and taking chances and so is Kaka. I'd love him at the club just for the impact he could have on so many levels of attack. As i said it would have hardly any bearing on a deal for Witsel because it would be a loan deal, and we would only have to pay a part of his wages. As far as I'm aware Kaka is on about 170,000 a week, so call it 200,000 because I could be wrong and it won't be less than 170,000! So if would cost us around 40,000 a week (maybe slightly more) to bring him in...peanuts to be quite honest for a player of his caliber!

Andy!

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Errr, didn't his agent come out and say it's got no truth in it?

Rosie.

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I hope this doesn't happen for you guys I said weeks ago my Dad stays in Spain and rumour was Kaka would come and Nani would end up going other way for about £25million. Still no reason to lie Blackpool fan. Seasider87

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On loan, this would be an excellent addition to the squad. 50/50 on the wages = def worth the risk as could get a great season out of him!

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I hope the kaka deal happens still a top player not on the decline at all 8 goals 13 assists in 20 games for madrid aint a player thats past it mourinho never wanted him cause he was not his signing thats why he wants him gone fergie will get him playing his best no doubt

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20 Aug 2012 17:46:40
at dustbin

The odds wre likely slashed simply because so many people put a bet on. How in the hell does a twitter joke/ rumour become backpage news?

twitter becomes a bigger joke by the day.

MDJ

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20 Aug 2012 10:58:19
dont shoot the messenger, as i don't think its true but one of the supporter branches are advertising Fulham as Kaka's debut......

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I know its a massively far fetched rumour, apparently started by someone on personter, but it seems to have spiralled. The tabloids have got it, the betting sites have got it. I for one would love it, but the wages are horrendous. I read this morning UTD want Real to subsadise 60% of his £250k, Real only willing to do £20%. This would be a fun transfer if it happened.

Sambo

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The bloke can't handle spanish footy his legs wouldn't manage the prem absolutely nonsense!

Pardoe

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Were would he play tho, CM in the 4-2-3-1,

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Id go with

De Gea
Valencia Rio Vidic Evra

Nani Kaka Young

Rooney RVP Kagawa

not a defensive player in sight... just go out and score as many as we can!

Sambo

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Nonesense

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As i said i don't think this is true by any stretch just thought i'd share what i'd just seen

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Definitely agree with Pardoe, this guy WAS good a little while back but even still, would not be cut out for the PL. If you're a true United fan surely you'd wanna see the likes of Scholes, Cleverley, Kagawa play more often maybe even some of the youth players such as Petrucci?!

Ozwald

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20 Aug 2012 01:53:38
Hey all,just a quick question for ed002,ive seen all your responses on witsel thanks mate.im just wondering after buttner what would you rate our chances of getting witsel?do you think we will bring in a cm?thanks appreciate it.great work again on the site eds. {Ed002's Note - I really don't see how the two are related. There is interest from Manchester United in Witsel - it will not have been taken away by the signing of Buttner.}

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People need to forget what the manager says. He just doesn't want to build fan's hopes up so he keeps things quiet or plays things down. We have bid for Witsel already so I would expect us to go back again. Witsel must want the move otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to bid in the first place. Benfica sold Coentrao, Ramires, Luiz & Di Maria for between £18m-£25m. I would imagine Witsel would be achievable somewhere in the middle of those figures. At 23 he would be a bargain and he would certainly keep Yaya on his toes. Fingers crossed we up our bid.

Sydney!

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The Buttner signing does relate to Witsel, as Fergie came out on MUTV syaing that he was interested in signing 'one more player', but only if that player became available. If this is true, then that player was a left back to cover Evra and that's us done for this window. Hopefully it's just more smoke screening by Fergie though and we're also in for Witsel, as I think he would be a fantastic final signing.

Scrud101

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Totally agree syd lets hope something happens there

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Scrud101 I disagree as SAF said 1 more and obviously Buttners transfer would have already been rubber stamped by Uncle Malc.

Maybe just maybe one more who knows but notwithstanding its been a good window for Utd fans

Pardoe

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I feel that there will still be one more signing and that depending on the fee it's a toss up between Witsel & Dembelle. I have a feeling that Witsel is first choice but that Dembelle would probably be the more attainable due to the fact that he is in the last year of his contract and a relatively small fee would seal a deal. It's also obvious that the squad now needs thinning out, not just at first team level but also at under 21 level as mentioned by Warren Joyce after the recent game against Peterborough.

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I hadnt realised that Dembele was in his last year. If thats the case i reckon that deal is a real possibility

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20 Aug 2012 00:42:09
this question goes out to edd002, its more of a man city question but since i havent much from around my neck of the woods i was wondering is the de rossi to city transfer imminent....would u say it will go through? sorry for the annoyance and cheers for the info!! great site by the way.....ps wheres edd001 these days lol xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Fat Bear {Ed002's Note - I cannot say with any confidence about teh timings of any transfers. There is serious interest in De Rossi and it is in his hands what to do.}

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20 Aug 2012 00:35:13
I noticed quite a few posters stating that our spending was done after RVP. Now this seems to be untrue as this Dutch lad looks set to sign. The window is open until the end of August and as smart as we all think we are we don't manage the team. At the end of the day the manager will do whats right for the team. If we sign a CM now lots of people will be singing his praise and if we don't people don't think we will compete. Very hard bunch to please I live in Bermuda and I have been to Old Trafford 10 times. I have a passion for this team that burns in my soul and if the transfer window shut today I would be over the moon. Be happy with what you have its really better than some of you think IMO.

Darren-Bermuda

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Couldn't agree more.
Well said Sir.

RedMist

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Some of us think we will compete, but still think we need a CM. the team missed out on pl on goal difference, with Fletch and Vidic out most of the season and Ando and Clevs out a lot of it, so Kagawa alone keeps us competitive, RVP as well gives us a really good chance. But this is in the league.

However, we will struggle in the one off games (ie. cups) if we don't improve the central midfield. Maybe Ando and Clevs can stay fit and build on the start they made last season, and maybe Fletch will be back and playing well soon, but those are big maybes, and if not, the lack of a new cm will count against us.

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I personally think we have more than enough CM's at the club to do a job.
Clevs and Anderson have enough energy to go against any midfield.

The games we lost points in last season, the key games, Everton, Wigan and City were as much to do with soft, negative tactics and formations as it was to do with a lack of any particular type of player.

The sooner we get back to attacking opponents and not cowering behind a overly defensive formation, the better.

We should have no excuses for not attacking this season though.

RedMist

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20 Aug 2012 00:29:22
Where is come from all those talk about Kaka? Daily Fail reported now too. I will be very surprise SAF want him at his age!

But there is one thing for sure with Real Madrid, i don't know what's going on out there but the like of Sneijder, Robben, Van Der Vaart reborn else where after Madrid bound!

I believe Kaka will quit and return in Italy and i wont be surprise if he shine again.

What's your opinion?

JLBER84

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I've heard stuff about him being seen in Manchester aswell.. So had a quick look on afew sites and Sly Spurts Noise but haven't seen nothing else about this rumour

Pete.

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Kaka is still very dangerous player when fit can split any diffence apart just like rvp, what's happening with sneijder swap for nani?

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Once SAF may have wanted Kaka but anymore he possibly had his chance in the past when do we go back for someone after being turned down in the past....never

Pardoe

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Would love Kaka in a United shirt,he has single handedly destroyed us in the past, yes that was 10 years ago but a why is everyone against a loan deal?

Loan imo are low risk, if he regains form and fitness we are laughing if not then he will be sent back - if we can afford his wages for the season, why not?

I cannot see this happening but seeing a team with Kaka and RVP would be outstanding

Giants14

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At his age?

He's 30, RVP is 29

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He was on the bench for
Madrid last night.

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He is a Brazilian Michael Owen, shot through injuries a shadow of a once great player. And on the wages he is on I wonder who an earth will take him. £56m has to be one of the worst transfers of all time. I dont believe a word of it any interest from us
Invisible STuey

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It's amazing how people are writing Kaka off at 30 when there are midfielders older than him who are still performing at the highest level.
If there's anyone who can get the best out of him then it's Fergie.
Like Giants14 mentioned, a loan deal is low risk so why not take a punt?

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How old actually is kaka?

Tarrant77

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If the troika of Kaka, Rooney and RVP click then my oh my have we got a mouthwatering attack to rival the best in Europe!
We would have a great chance of emulating the side of 2008 that won the EPL and CL double or, dare I say it, even the Treble-winning side of 1999.

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Why is everybody on here denying that theres a slight chance he could join. IMO the signing would be a low risk signing that could come off, ok he's been injury prone but as long as we can afford his wages it would be great.

Aaronaldo7

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Its funny how everyone is slating Kaka that he's injury prone he is 30. Practically, RVP is the same. No one knows how RVP will be this season, but its a risk that Man Utd should be willing to take.

diego

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