Manchester United Rumours Archive July 21 2012

21 Jul 2012 22:18:43
just wondering if saf will try and sign a centre half this summer now chris smalling is out for 10/12 weeks,johnny evans also out for the begining of the season vidic coming back from injury and jones having extra time off for the euro's leaves only rio.i also think fergie will spend some more cash to strenghthen a weak united squad with berba,kiko,anderson an possibly nani going out..........but who's coming in is anyone guess as fergie always spring's a unknown suprise(ronaldo/ando)

I don't think we need to buy a CB just for the first few games. By September hopefully we will have Vidic, Smalling and maybe Evans back in. Until then we have Rio and Jones with the outside chance that Vidic will be ready for the start. We also have Wooton and Veseli as backups

Gav

We definately don't need any, Vidic is said to be back for the start on the official website, we'll have Rio and Jones with wooton as the sub, the only problem is if Rafael gets injured in the olympics as we will only have jones as RB cover, granted Vermijl too, but I don't think he's ready for the BPL. Evans should be back soon enough, so no need to worry and splash the cash on a CB that won't get used.

Jake F

Anderson is staying

21 Jul 2012 19:45:19
Hey Eds, Syd! do youll think that we will be in for ganso when other teams show serious interest? Maybe if we dont get lucas? but is there a chance of ganso and lucas. couldn't imagine Ganso costing more than £20-£25 million considering he has come out and said he will not remain at Santos anymore. Thanks.

Daniel {Ed002's Note - Ganso will be allowed to leave because Santos cannot get sufficient sponsorship to cover the costs of both him and Neymar. In the short term he may join Internacional until the new year but Ganso's preference is for AC Milan, or Barcelona if MIlan cannot facilitate a move. A 40M euro bid from Anzhi Makhachkala was rejected and Ganso made it clear, regardless of the efforts of Roberto Carlos, that his desire is Italy and preference is AC Milan. Milan do not have the money available to pay the full fee for Ganso and I still think may offer a straight exchange for Robinho. Ganso was not keen on a move to England so there remains little chance that something can be done with Chelsea who had previously agreed a fee with Santos but now have Hazard or Arsenal who see the player as an option. If the player becomes interested in a move to England and if he is not priced out of the market, then Arsenal, Spurs and Manchester United may wish to place a bid. Ongoing fitness was a concern to Chelsea. There is also reported interest from Inter Milan, Internacional, Real Madrid and Manchester City. As an aside, Luis Alvero Ribeiro made a series of rather bizarre claims about his dream for Ganso (a) becoming part owned by another club who he will join after the Club World Cup (in December); (b) returning to Santos in June 2012 to play in the Olympics as a player of Santos; (c) returning to the other club in January 2013; (d) being sold for $200M in the summer of 2013. The other club is Porto - none of it will come to pass of course.}

Thanks Ed.

Daniel

Detailed and glorious that. Enjoyed it.
Jamie

21 Jul 2012 13:28:08
ed, where are Juventus getting all this money from? {Ed002's Note - THey have money set aside for this season and are looking to use players in exchange - which is common in Italy. Juve have paid up 11M euros for the remaining 50% of Giovinco but are prepared to let him move on. Their first offer to Liverpool for Suarez will likely be based on Krasic plus cash. If they can get to a point of negotiation then I understand that Giovinco and Matri are the other bargaining tools they will look to use - although I have been told Matri has already said he has no interest in moving to England. They have been looking to use players in other deals this summer. For example, the failed offer Juve made for Cavani was a messy cash plus Giovinco plas Matri plus x% ownership of a couple of youngsters. And it is not only them taking this rout as Inter offered cash plus Marco Faraoni, Goran Pandev and Joel Obi for Lavezzi and have recently offered a a deal for a young Brazilian (that Liverpool also looked at) which would see them exchange part ownership in two of their players for part ownership of him.}

I would love to see Pogba in one of Juventus cash + player exchanges in the future. That would be karma.

What is the Brazilian player u mentioned ed002?

S.G.L. {Ed002's Note - Not relevant for the Manchester United discussion.}

Bloody hell, sounds complicated and a bit dodgy! Best keep our dealings with Italian clubs to a bare minimum I would have thought

Gav

21 Jul 2012 11:39:52
Why is everyone getting so hyped that Van Perise may be coming? A 29 year old striker, we already have one of the best strikers in the world, Wanye Rooney and bring in another stiker is only going to slow down development in Chicha and Welbeck, we don't need Van Persie, in my opinon all we really need to strenthen is our midfield, and I think Sahin and Eriksen would be perfect for that!

What happens when Wazza is injured and the only high goal scorer we have will be Chicha/Welbeck you will be begging for RVP he would be an amazing player to add to our team chicha and Welbeck will get their time too!

-JakeW

Could not agree more with jakeW ! We are trying to get the league back , wot would you prefer the league back off city or keep welbeck and Chico happy ??

This guy said exactly what i was thinking. Fergie is obvously playing mind games, and only checking if we could get him on the cheap. I may be wrong, but don't expect any more bids for rvp from ANYONE, until the end of the transfer window. The teams will know that arsenal will have to sell for less than 20m so they don't miss out on getting nothing for him at all.
-Bowlhead

Forgot to put my name on the post, I'd wouldn't mind I'm at the club but I'd much rather see the money beeing spent of the midfield, Lucas Moura and Sahin or someone like sahin, M'Villa that type of player, we're only going to play one striker I'd imagen anyway so IF rooney gets injured, then we have Chicha and Welbeck

Again forgot to put a name, LiamA

It's purely so that city end up paying more to get their man

Scoring goals last season was not a problem, correct me if i am wrong but last season was one of of highest "goals scored" league campaigns. The issue was keeping them out as highlighted in the Blackburn, Newcastle and Everton games.

We've already signed Kagawa who should add another 15 a season so really i don't get all this lets sign rvp to score goals guff people are parrotting.

I don't see the need for an injury prone 28/29 year old after a big pay day and i suspect Fergie is using the media to deflect interest away from the real deals.

Moura is a differnt prospect as the lad has quality and can only improve.

That said i am interested in the plans for leftback and centre midfield.

Mort

Id love to have him at old Trafford next season but I just can't see arsenal selling to us

Dustbin

21 Jul 2012 11:34:08
The daily mail claims united have bid 8mill, juventus 10mill and man city 12mill.. i just worked out that if united bid again that would be 14mill, the juventus bid 16mill, and man city 18mill, then united would offer 20mill?? could be the transfer battle :).. hope moura comes, all the united fans that say we dont need him?? haha yes are havin a laugh!

Juventus were the team who bid £8m. That was widely reported in Italy a week or so ago. Arsenal will not get a great deal of cash for RVP, he's 29, extremely injury prone and he has one year left on his contract. Arsenal will not let him go for nothing a season later so the only thing that can raise the fee is City and United bidding against each other. If it had been just City or United then I think he would sell for around £15m. With United and City interested it could be closer to £20m.

Sydney!

I agree wit you syd but maybe fergie will offer 14 million plus berbatov?

Or cash + berbatov

Wenger has already said that he's done selling to city.

MUFC1990

OP - We don't need him. He'd be great if we can get him, but we don't NEED him.

We do NEED a decent central midfielder however, and we're unlikely to spend 30m or so on Moura AND 25-30m on a central midfielder, so a lot of us would rather see the money spent in midfield.

Arsenal won't take any less than £20 million for rvp. As an Arsenal fan I hope no one offers anywhere near that and he has to play for our reserves for 1 year. (No tv appearances, a player nearly 30 ) and he then is allowed to
1) Beg Arsenal for a new contract
2) Go somewhere for a small signing on fee.
Remember gents ,RVP has been at Arsenal for 8 years and this is his first good season
Paul Belfast

21 Jul 2012 08:35:26
Robin van persie, Lucas Moura and Baines. For about 60 m pounds combined seems a bit unrealistic but could be sweetened by the departure of berbatov and anderson.
these rumuors are all over the sports newspapers
this would be the best summer if we get all these players

It's either RVP or Moura, i really can't see SAF getting both, however we would have a really really strong team if we did get both..

JK92

The only reason we have shown an iterest in Van Persie is to up the fee and that City will pay to sign him. With the FFP coming in it makes it more difficult for them to operate within the restraints.

Moura - I do hope we sign

Lol sell anderson and buy those 3, easy to say but who's going to cover in cm?

What does everyone have against Anderson he won't be leaving this season. At the start of last season he was 1 of are best midfielders and was unlucky with injury.
This will be the season he will prove all of you wrong.

I would be happy with Berbatov and Anderson being sold. Trouble is that Berbatov will only bring in 5 -8m and Anderson 5 - 10m. So we would still need plenty. How about adding Young and getting 15m -20m as well?
Mik

If moura comes in then nani, anderson will stay as they will be able to help him settle in quicker.......

plus letting go of a cm when Pogba has also gone, park has gone and giggs is gone.... would be suicide unless another was brought in.......

Strange so many talk about our urgent need for a central midfield signing yet also so many talk about selling Anderson. Yes he hasnt looked fit or sharp, maybe slightly over weight and has had lots of niggling injuries, but considering the ages of Scholes and Giggs and that Pogba has gone and Fletchers health do we have any other central midfielder that injury free is a better bet long term than Anderson, as Carrick is 31/32 and divides opinion, CLevery is pretty much the same age as ANderson and has missed lots of games with niggling injuries too and I dont hear people sayign sell him?
Invisible stuey

21 Jul 2012 04:03:09
I say if we could sign van persie and moura then we could play a 4-2-3-1 formation with carrick and scholes/cleverely the 2, and kagawa rooney and moura being the 3, so we could have rooney in his position behind the striker who could be van persie

Agreed 'IF' we buy both (and that's a huge IF) that's the only formation I can see us fitting them all into. Similar to last year's shape but with RVP replacing Wellbeck up front and Kagawa/Moura providing occasional width but drifting inside at times too like how Silva/Nasri do at City

If Nani was to leave we'd have Valencia and Young as our more natural wing options for many games too. They could both play at times with Kagawa 'in the hole' and one of Rooney/RVP up front (the other rested alongside Moura)

Having said all that I'm a little sceptical of our link to RVP. I feel as though Moura is someone we are more commited to trying to sign but we shall see

Gav

And what would you intend on doing with Valencia, Nani and Young?

I'd rather play tunnicliffe instead of carrick as for rvp/moura as the classic aerosmith song " DREAM ON !"

Why the hell would we drop our best player last season, valencia?

The problem with this much mooted new attacking 4-2-3-1 formation is that it will be masked into a defensive 4-5-1 formation too easily which the ultra defensive (in the big games) Sir Alex has always played for the last 6 years or so,eg playing Park in all the big games recently,the most defensive 'winger' the world has ever seen. Fergies decision to play him at City ahead of Valencia was awful and Utd got what they deserved and barely created a chance.
Now i trust the manager as you obviously have to but i just wish he'd be more attacking in the big games,away from home especially. I dont think we've created 6 chances at Anfield in 6 years!

4th replier - if you think Tunnicliffe is ready to replace Carrick perhaps it is you that needs to 'dream on'!

5th replier - I get your point about the formation becoming defensive but really it depends on the clientel. With players like Kagawa, Valencia and either Nani/Moura we would be able to counterattack at pace, breaking from 451 into the 4231 with ease. I agree it didn't really work with players like Park or Berba involved

Gav

20 Jul 2012 22:27:00
Ed would iker Munian be an alternative to moura and could we look to him. I also heard we could be looking at joe Allen but I'm not sure how true it is. Have you heard anything in him?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't know of interest in Allen. Muniain was touted around the clubs on behalf of Bilbao in January - and the two clubs in England that were approached were Chelsea and Manchester United. The asking price was 40M euros. They won't get it because I don't think clubs would risk half of that on a player who is young and has had some off field issues. If the price comes down to a reasonable level (20M euros might be an acceptable figure) I can see interest from several English clubs including Manchester United and Liverpool. Napoli and Roma interest is still there and rumours abound of Juventus and Malaga interest but perhaps an eventual move to Barcelona beckons.}

I would prefer Muniain if i'm honest. He'd be cheaper and would be less likely to stuggle to settle.

Shappy

20 Jul 2012 20:54:22
Manchester City are ready to outbid all rivals for Birmingham City sensation Foday Nabay.

The Daily Fail says City are willing to offer Nabay the most attractive package for a 13-year-old ever in British football as they bid to gazump their bitter city rivals to the wonderkid.

Nabay's representatives held talks with Manchester United chiefs on Tuesday.

However, City made their pitch to the teenager's advisors on Wednesday - and while regulations prevent the Etihad Stadium side from paying Nabay directly until his 17th birthday - the Barclays Premier League champions are willing to blow United's offer out of the water with a deal understood to eclipse anything of its kind in British football history.

SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.... MONEY MONEY MONEY

Who ...?

If I was a young footballer theres no chance I would go to City for any amount of money. I kow that's easy to say but I'd choose any club where I'm likely to be given a chance e.g. United, Arsenal over City. Sure he could turn 17 and get a load of cash but then what happens when he's 20 and still not getting his chances amongst his highly paid team-mates. Get sold to a lesser club and start his career again? Whereas at either United/Arsenal he would earn less at the age of 17 sure (but still a good wage for a yong man none the less!) and if he performs well he could be the hottest property around by the age of 20/21, playing regularly. Signing a new lucritive contract, attracting interest from other clubs - whatever he wants. What I'm trying to say is by that age he could actually be earning more AND be a better player if he went to a club that cares more about youth development

Gav

Whats the bet?

Foday Nabay wrote this himself

and it is bull****