Manchester United Rumours Archive May 21 2012

21 May 2012 22:45:16
Paddy crerand mutv reporter has just said hazard to city is a done deal the cost 38 mill! Didnt think we would get him

Any confirmation of this being said?

RebelRed

Wasn't said - paddy actually said he knew v little about the lad - cert didn't claim to have any info on his status

"Paddy Crerand MUTV reporter.."?

Lol. He's a bit more than an MUTV reporter.

Paddy Crerand said this? LOL! What does he know

He didn't say this.....what he said was one of his friends has told him this, with this friend being a City fan. He never once said that it was in any way near being 'done', and went on in the program to say he thought we had a good chance of aquiring him.

MPez

Yeah i can confirm this too! BUT the deal is for a fee with lille, which United, city & chelsea have all probably agreed upon. Like the president of liile said, they want to let hazard choose where he wants to play next season.

Its been reported by the bbc tonight that united have agreed a 32m fee with lille.

All the paper talk tomoro is that hazard is asking for £200k a week. City are thinking of pulling out! If hes asking that i would suspect united will laugh in his face!

Hazard will choose utd,not because of money or trophies or last years performance , hazard will join Manchester utd because of how many GREAT players have improved their game at utd ! And because they have become superstars in the football world whilst being at utd ! No doubt in 5 years we will sell him for an absurd amount of money . But whilst he is developing at utd he will bring a whole new ball game to the club ! The likes of evans,jones,rooney,young,kagawa,hazard these are the players that will keep Manchester utd at the top of the English game , and will equal the success of Liverpool in Europe.

Back to my point :/

Hazard isn't choosing the club on money or wages , he is choosing his club on the basis of which one could make him a legend! And the only club that can offer that is utd , just like ronaldo beckham cantona giggs Rooney these are players that will be remembered in the English and european game for years and years to come !

Nasri
Tevez
Ageuro
Dzeco
Silva
All of these players will be forgotten in 5 years time when the financial fair play has taken its tole on man city's budget

Not sure where paddy's got this from after watching the updates on this story on sky last night

21 May 2012 22:07:40
Evening all,

First of all, in United Transfer terms 'no noise equals good news'. What I mean by this is only a few weeks ago, Kagawa and Hazard were constantly talking to the press, stating 'this' 'that' and 'the other' and quiet simply touting their services to respective onlookers. Then, Sir Alex Ferguson, David Gill and various club representatives for United, speak with the above fore-mentioned players / clubs.................. And now all is relatively silent.

Folks, looking at previous history this is a great sign, and certainly not a 'oh? Why's he not saying anything? Why's he no longer mentioning names? He's playing hard-ball the mercenary, therefore we don't want him, etc, etc.'

Personally, i'd be more inclined to suggest we was out of the running, if they were still blabbing to the press and media. This silence to me means that both players have made their choices, and the respective clubs are currently doing working towards making the players choices a reality.

WF Red Devil

Completely agree with this post... Fergie explains to the players that he dislikes the press learning about the transfers of the club... He keeps it quiet so city like they always do come and try and buy our transfer plans and gazump us by offering 250,000 a week

fearny

Really hope so.....

these 2 a DM and LB and new contracts for pogba & petrucci and we are looking very, VERY GOOD...

oxred

Not enough noise?
Seriously?

Twitter, tv, facebook, the whole internet...

It's not that quiet and... quite frankly, he'll be negotiating with at least 3 clubs this week.

Well said mate... i absolutely agree wid your post. So real.... lets keep our fingers crossed... and hope for the best.

Apologies, should have been a little clearer. When I say 'noise' I'm referring to direct quotes from the respective player. Nobody can control what I call '3rd party' noise (i.e. Twitter, internet, etc.) Hence why it hold minimal credability.

It's worth also keeping in mind that there's little point for a selling club to start negotiating with a buying club, if the buying club is not favourable to the player. In this situation, if Hazard and Kagawa do indeed want to join United, the club has 2 choices; Strike a deal with this prefered buying club, or let the player run his contract down. Dortmund and Lille respectively don't have a sugar daddy owner to support a 'contract rundown' situation. It makes sense to sell their players to prefered buying clubs, and the cleaner it's done, the more money they'll make from the deal off United (Examples; Nani, Ronaldo, Anderson, Hernandez, Jones, De Gea - selling clubs received a good fee for their players for not starting an auction senario).

Be patient.......

WF Red Devil

21 May 2012 21:47:59
Who is this izzaguire guy? Where does he play?

Red steph

Left back for celtic

Ste-Utd {Ed007's Note - He's a fantastic player and seems to have fully recovered from his injury.}

Currently playing LB at Celtic. Once had trial at Ipswich but not signed.

Steve the red

Recently said he would spend rest of his career at Celtic

Left back from celtic. united were interested last year before he broke a leg {Ed007's Note - They have still been interested all season, it was his ankle that was fractured. He has fully recovered from it now and looked fully fit and played well at the end of the season.}

Ed007 Do you really rate him as a fantastic player ? Im a big Celtic fan aswell as Man Utd and I do think he's talented but I really see him as more of a wing back and not LB, offensively top class but defensively no better than Evra. Plus unproven, would rather a big attempt to get Alaba from Munich or Alba from Valencia
SC {Ed007's Note - He is a better LB than Bale was. His defensive qualities haven't really been tested at CFC but when they have he has never came up short. He has speed and is very rarely caught out of position, he can only play against what he is up against. It's the old 'SPL Syndrome', people immediately dismiss any player from it, but if Utd had bought Izaguirre straight from Motagua for £600k it would be looked on as great business. Players that get signed to EPL teams from lower leagues for crazy prices is seen as great scouting etc, but if it's Scotland then the player is dismissed. Sorry for the rant BTW but it annoys me at times. A lot of good players in England came from up here, some bad ones as well but there is bad players from every league.}

He just looks good because he's playing in a poor league in my opinion. I'm a Dundee fan & I've seen him play a few times home & away & he's defainatly not good enough to play for Manchester united how can compare him to Bale Ed just makes me laugh lol. {Ed007's Note - I said Bale as a LB, hence the reason Bale doesn't play there. At least try and read what is said before commenting. How can a Dundee fan have seen him play home and away? I can't remember CFC playing Dundee since Izaguirre has been here? You haven't been in the SPL since 2005.}

I'm a Celtic fan, perhaps favoritism, but I'd rate him higher than Evra giving Evra's recent form

Man Urd quality. Please don't be daft watched him a couple of times and if we take someone of such a substandard quality we will be handing the league to city. Spend big not peanuts on such inferior standard players! {Ed004's Note - Yes because Vidic and Evra were terrible buys. Who orchestrated their signings.... Whoever it was must be fired as this poster knows more about signing players than SAF and his professional scouts...*sigh*}

Sorry "He is a better LB than Bale" What planet are you on. Thats a hugely inflated opinion of the mans talent but thanks I havn't laughed like that in ages {Ed004's Note - Yep you made me laugh as well with your comments about not signing cheap players... Suppose you were the type of person that would have been crying when we signed Vidic - if you even supported Man Utd back then - but even when some cheap players have shown to be brilliant buys such as Ozil, Khedira, Smalling, Hernandez, Jelavic (recently, has done well)}

Celtic, left back

I'm from Glasgow and he is a lb/lwb his better side of the game is attacking and before he broke his leg he was a real quality player but hes lost a bit but he should be back to his best soon good possible target from some1 who watches celtic regulary.

21 May 2012 20:06:00
Supposedly Borussia Dortmund want €20 for Kagawa. This will surely make Man united think twice because there is only one year on his contract and he wont sign another one so he would go for free next year. It could also start a bidding war for him which Borussia Dortmund want

They can want it but there not going to get it. With only us and Arsenal the real interest if we are not going to pay it they are definaetly not. We will pay around £10million

No it will not put Utd off signing him......what tripe. Kagawa would be worth £30million if he had 2+years on a contract.

So therfore this will not deter us.....think about what Kagawa would do for us in a financial sense...In Asia selling shirts?...etc

I think that roughly works out at about 15m which i think is still very good value for him,if sir alex will pay 16m for young i cant see kagawas price being a problem(no offence ment to young!)

phil

He's well worth 20 million Nevermind euros. Pay the money sign him up and focus in other signings

LUHG

Arsenal are gonna nick him from under our noses.
Just got a feeling

If Kagawa wants to join us bad enough he could just say no I want Utd and it doesn't matter what anyone else bids because he does have to join whoever and cannot be forced

Pardoe

So what i we waiting for? we have to sign him before other team made their offer,i don't understand why we always slow on this issue? just waiting for an excuses from ferg.

ferdcoast

Sure I'll pay for him so.

G.A.G.U.S

What will happen is other clubs may be interested in him, he wants the move to MUFC which is clear how he's spoke of it be his 'dream' move. SAF obviously wants him after a couple years monitoring him and intense scouting recently. Dortmund wont want him to be an unhappy player by keeping him there then getting nothing for him next year.. He'll probably say he only wants the MUFC move therefore Dortmund will be forced into selling otherwise get nothing next year. Similar situation with RVP at arsenal however he wants money spent at the club he's at on true talent rather than a move to another club.

Ozwald

Young cost 16mil pounds they want 20mil euros for kawaga which is basically the same and hes a better player , if thats the only stumbling block for purchasing kawaga and we dont get him and their are serious problems within the club.
sulei

21 May 2012 19:54:22
Hazard has reportedly said he wants he's future sorted by june 2nd, well aint Lille sayin they waiten for him to say where he wants to go out of four clubs&then they will enter talks with chosen club.So if he his trying to play a game of knowing where he wants to go but waiting to see if clubs will go against each other&keep offering better deals.he may get a shock as fergie likely to just pull out on any deal

I'd imagine he means that he wants to have signed on the dotted line by June 2.

Percy

21 May 2012 17:02:36
Sky sports says hazard wants move to old Trafford was on tv there now.

Sky Sports say he wants to sign for UTD if he can!

So what's stopping him?

RebelRed

Just seen the same thing but you never no what will happen let's hope he signs soon

Its not just upto the player where he goes, the clubs have to agree, and Lille will want as much money as possible

BONEYJOE

I don't know why people are saying unbelievable it was on tv there now. Let's be honest where the player wants to go is usually where he ends up

BONEYJOE

It is upto the player, his Agent said it was his decision alone and nobody would interfere live on TV.
If he doesn't it is purely down to money and nothing else.

BBC football are reporting it too

Listen sky sports are basing this on a united website that was set up a while back and it said that hazard signed for united last night it has be proven to be a hoax so don't be getting excited yet

Nah its not up to the agent at all !! the club might want more money but at the end its normally the players decision !!

sparkyred

Maybe it is to do with the player as well but Lille wont let him go unless the money is right for them, so whoever puts in the best bid will have a very good chance of getting the player, personally i don't buy into all the circus, if he comes great, if not then that's upto him

BONEYJOE

"if not then that's upto him"

Or Lille according to your good self.

Sydney!

I dont think transfer fee is an issue nw ,if it would have been man utd would have been out of contention a few weeks ago itself. Hazards wage demands will be the final issue

Y are people pressing unbelieveable it was on sly spurts news {Ed007's Note - Exactly.}

So whats your view Ed007? {Ed007's Note - On Sly Spurts? Have you got a spare few hours? Anything on it is geared towards getting money out your pocket and betting. Ever wondered why the BBC or ITV never give you the odds on any sports story yet Sly do?}

21 May 2012 16:11:53
Hi my cousins at crewes centre of excellence and he see's and speaks to the Crewe first team a lot. And what he is hearing that Powell will be bought by united but lined back to crewe for next season

As he is to be "lined back" i have to assume that this comes straight from one of the Glaziers!

Why would they spend 4 million on a player then loan him out, that's the sort of thing Chelsea would do! He can learn a lot at united!

I dont think that sounds a bad idea TBH if he can get regular 1st team football for another season that would surely benefit his development and us too in the longterm. He's only 18 I think? He wouldnt get much time in our first XI next year and is probably too good for our reserves. He could come back for the 2013/2014 season and be ready for some 1st team cameos at least

Gav

21 May 2012 14:45:10
if we are being priced out of a move for hazard because of wages then surely we should rap up james rodriguez asap as i think he is top class cheaper and less wages but just as effective imo

21 May 2012 14:39:47
According to TV Spurs are chasing Asamoah as well, we may have to move quickly to fend off interest!

Hobbes

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere else that Man Utd was ruled out.
He's probably going to play for Juventus next year.

21 May 2012 14:07:34
Don't know if it's true but have we sign nick powell from Crewe for 4 million anyone know

Ross

Yes this is true. Was all over press and net this weekend {Ed007's Note - There has been nothing confirmed by anyone.}

Yes w hav

Hope he comes ive seen him play against my local team gillingham hes got something special

21 May 2012 11:52:43
PSG will probably be the 4th club involved with hazard.

Supasub

Probably but in my opinion they have no chance of signing him as he seems to have grown bored of the french league. Unless they offer him ridiculous money of course. But it would have to be crazy money (which they can afford though)

He ruled out PSG ages ago

Isn't the 4th club spurs?

Hazard has already said he isnt joining them hasnt he?, but also who are we to trust what he says, he changes his words every week :D
DJ

I think it is or was spurs.

21 May 2012 09:31:26
yesterday there was a post by an american in Japan who said there was an interview with kagawa in which he let slip that he will be joining united or something to that effect...i also live in Japan and can confirm that there was indeed a 5 minute interview on NHK sunday night. He had greats words to say about fergie, he said that its hard to imagine that fergie is over 70 years of age and also that he has a great aura about him. Then he did let slip that he cannot say anything official yet, looks like united have told him not to say anything yet...

Ed's, just wondering, can you(s) confirm this ones from Japan.

MPez {Ed001's Note - his IP puts him in Japan.}

This would be great news if he has agreed to come..

Now just need to come to an agreement with Dortmund, which may be hard according to todays reports.....

Oxred

Dortmund want 20million for kawaga united will never pay that rather wait till next year a free player

I live in kurashiki okayama just to let you know...ive still got the recrding of the interview done on NHK

Perhaps you can post the recorded interview on YouTube or something...?

James

Its in Japanese without english subtitles, i can assure you and everyone else the validity of what i saw, it was on the NHK sports programe late on sunday night. Personally I think hes agreed to join united and now its down to agreeing a fee with Dortmund.

Cheers for the info. mate lets hope Dortmund dont play hard ball!

Gav

21 May 2012 08:50:54
Hey Ed, any ideas who the 4 teams in for Hazard are? {Ed002's Note - There is only interest from three sides that is being taken seriously right now.}

United, City, Chelsea and I presume PSG?

G.A.G.U.S

Its reported there are 4 clubs interested. Idont know the fourth though

I read that they were all EPL teams, so it seems likely that the fourth would still be Spurs. I think if he has decided one thing, it is that he wants to play in England.

MDJ

21 May 2012 02:34:59
has the loan deal with fabio and benfica definately been confirmed?

if so that seems like a sweetner for any gaitan deal, thus making it more likely.

also my cousin in portugal says both sporting and porto are interest in signing anderson for as little as 8mil.

if this is true, why is it utd always seem to sell our players so cheaply? didnt he cost us like 20mil e few years ago?

dags

Probably because he has stunk the place out since joining us

Pardoe

The loan deal with Fabio has not been completed yet. Supposedly Benfica want to buy Soqueira and if they do they wont take Fabio on loan

IMO, it's because in some cases we hang onto players for much longer than we should. We should've sold Berbatov last summer, for instance, and would probably have got more many for say, Macheda, if we'd sold instead of loaned this season.

RED_SKY

Red-sky makes a good post. I think Pardoes a bit harsh because Anderson and Cleverley were a really effective partnership at the start of the season.

Andrew B

21 May 2012 01:56:35
According to dailymail.co.uk, Chelsea is offering Hazard £250,000 per week. While that's insanely high, it's certainly understandable considering how good Hazard is and how far he is from hitting his prime.

Nonetheless, I question taking that kind of a risk on Hazard. The main reason for this?

Hazard talented, yes, but his poor attitude and propensity to sulk, argue and give up for balls scares me a little bit. Sure, you can probably find those attributes in a lot of footballers, but I wouldn't be willing to pay top dollar for someone like that.

To me they are just too unpredictable, especially once they get a huge deal.

It's possible that this is just me, but I don't like taking risks on flashy players. There's the chance they become one of the best in the world, yet the chance they flake out is too risky. 

Additionally, Hazard is coming from Ligue 1, which is far from the EPL, although that doesn't scare me as much because he was tremendous in the Champions League as well. 

Essentially, there's only a few players in the world I would give this kind of money to. Hazard isn't one of those players. Yet.

Personally if he wanted to come he would have said regardless of Chelsea UCL, one simple factor money.

LUHG

Chelsea would not pay him close to that amount for his first contract. Lets be realistic LUHG.

Sydney!

Sydney is right. In my opinion, the highest Chelsea can go is £150,000-a-week. And even that is pushing it considering Bayern are pissed at losing to a club that will fail Financial Fair Play at the rate they are going! Watch Hoeness and Rummenigge come out with all sorts of comments to put pressure on Uefa.

James.

This is fergie we are talking about!! Cantona was french and one of the most difficult players to manage, now hes known as the king of old trafford.
im not worried because via his decision the world will see the rise or fall of hazard!! take a look at nasri second choice after silva!

Agree with Syd and James cant see any team offering him over £150k it would be rediculous given what little he has achieved so far

Gav

21 May 2012 00:11:19
Hazard is a fantastic young player with the ability to be one of the best in the world..........But i'm sick of all this cloak and dagger stuff and the way he's whoring himself at every club that gives him a half glance. First it was Spurs then City and Us now it's Chelsea and he's said he feels england is a stepping stone to move to spain. So i say f**k him, he is a talent but he has no respect for our club or our manager or us fans. There are other players out there who are also young and talented and more so they WANT to play for our great club and not as just a stepping stone. As of tonight i'd rather us sign Gaitan than Hazard as Gaitan wants to play for us. My first choice would be James Rodriguez who also has said he wants to play for us but Porto may price him out of a move this summer after saying that their not interested in selling this year. I hope we wrap up the deal for Kagawa soon too as he is a superb player who again wants to play for us. But as far as Hazards concerned he can go and be someone elses problem cus i don't want him at our club.

Shappy

I agree with you. Maybe the media play this thing all around, but at the same time Eden should now that you can't tease like that! We love our club and we dont want mercenary in! Gaitan want to bleed for us, bring him in.

JLBER21 {Ed002's Note - It is hard to comprehend the naivity of the fans.}

Well said:)

What's with all the negativity? All he is doing is making up his mind..let him take his time. There is a lot to sort out and think about. How do you know the club haven't told him what tosay? Utilize his big mouth for our benefit. It isn't even June yet, give him a break.

RedDevil19 {Ed002's Note - He is simply screwing around. No club has agreed a fee with Lille yet.}

At this point I would agree.... Kagawa needs to signed first and then look at Gaitan and other possible targets.

Hazard would have been a hugh signing but all this will he - wont he, is not worth it...

Fergie will know, and he will not be messed around so we will see.

Oxred

Could not agree more mate y do we wana build a team around a player who is gna leave for spain after 2 seasons here after we build a team round him like u say bring in someone that want to be at OT long term not just to get a big move to spa stamford bridge best place for him
Donny red

No one has said anything so how can you judge a players character just because the fans make up rumors, believe them and then get disappointed when things don't 'work out'
A working professional usually tries to get the best deal they can for themselves, you would, I would and so will Hazard!

Nip

How do you know he will leave for SPain in two seasons, even if 4/5 so did Ronaldo, not a bad deal for us. Half of the stirring is done by the press, however Hazard hasnt helped sitauations when he does speak.
Invisible Stuey

Well said, Nip.

M.D.

Just wondering with all this current negativity towards Hazard..that if he did sign and became a club "legend".what will these haters do then?

MasRed