Manchester United Rumours Archive August 22 2012

22 Aug 2012 19:32:43
Who reckons Hernandez may not have been in the squad the other night as he may have been assisting in the capture of his Mexican team mate Herrera.

Norn Iron

Your'e talking pure rubbish, as if Fergie would leave him out of a big game to sweet talk a player into joining. Im sure some sort of conversation may take place between the two of them but he's hardly going to miss a game to do it!

Andy B

Berba was on bench as back up cb because he has played there in the past!

Caolán.

He's a football player not an agent so no

One of the worst posts I've ever seen, what a load of bollox!

Berb on the bench over Hernadez. I would not be surprised if there's friction between the manager and the Mexican. The fact he wasn't allowed to play in the Olympics and he missed out on a gold medal when he was involved in probably the weakest pre-season I can remember. Yes he needed a rest, but Fergie, the season has started, he still doesn't need to be rested. If he's not on the bench vs Fulham and Berbaflop is, I wouldn't be surprised if a transfer request is put in. Although saying that, if we sign Herrera, maybe he'll stay - cue a Mexican Wave around OT. I bloody hope not - we need to get the atmosphere back at Old Trafford as the muppets are taking over!

PrideOfManchester

Chicha was at Goodison but as someone else pointed out Berba got the nod as he can play centre half (at a push) as well

Has Herrera got loose?

- brilliant, in my top 3 posts!

22 Aug 2012 18:40:54
Can I just say I really don't understand why everyone is so fixated on Javi Martinez. Yes, he is a young talent and has occasionally impressed me but personally don't see the appeal. First off, his price tag is pathetic, I can't get my head round why someone like him costs £40 million is a joke. Trust me I think I would trust the scouts at Utd who will have been watching him for a long time,longer than anyone here has seriously said we should buy him. Yes their is interest from big clubs but how many have turned interest into an official bid? If he was as good as everyone says he is, he would be at one of the biggest clubs in the world and in the Spain national team ahead of Busquets

RedKnight

We got our ass kicked by Everton. You tell me if this is gonna be a good year IF whe don't get ourselves at least someone who can chase and win the ball back.

Finally somebody with the same thinking as me. really dont understand all the fuss, yes a decent player but massively overpriced and to be honest looks a little slugish for the middle of the park in the premiership

vinny

He is one of those midfielders who is capable of boasting a little bit of everything and more importntly, a little bit of everything that most United fans feel is missing from the heart of our midfield.

But, as for the price tag... Yeah, it's nuts!

MDJ

Martinez is 23, 6 foot 3 , can play CM or CB , can pass the ball. Bayern Munich, Barcelona, City all want him. He is a real talent and far better than we have in midfield. I would take a good look because if he strengthens our opposition we take another step further back from them.

Red Man

RedKnight
Martinez is class, he could walk into any top team in Europe and be one of the first on the list to play.... Are you sure you've watched the same guy??
HERBIE

He is over priced yes, but then SUnderland look likely to pay £15m for Steven Fletcher! Martinez is a top talent, and I mean top talent in both central midfield and defence. More a holding midfielder who can spray the ball about which looks ideal to me, a much better version of Carrick basically
Invisible STuey

He can hassle and win the ball like Fletch, defend better than any of our current midfielders, is better in the air, and can pass the ball around as well as if not better than any of them too. Ok so he's not overly quick but he's not actually slow, and he is still highly mobile, constantly moving into space to make himself available. Finally he has the technical abillity to control the ball in tight space and even make enough space to move the ball on under pressure.

Let's put it another way. He's a bit like Fletch and Modric rolled into one, aged 23, so how exactly do you not understand us wanting him??

We don't all want him at any cost, and many of us think he's overpriced, but we still want to see him play for us.

Oh, and as for spain, he's already started playing for them, and he probably will replace busquets as first choice for the more defensive midfield role in the next year or two.

Thorne

Martinez costs £31m (40m) more or less the same as Rio at a similar age, Berbatov at 29, Hazard at 21, Villa at 30....and many many more

I agree without a doubt with Red Man. However, 40m is extremely steep and the tight Glazers would never fork out. We need someone though, because Scholes and Giggs cannot play forever...

Martinez is the stand-out player we should sign. That was apparent when we were torn to shreds by Athletic Bilbao courtesy of Martinez, Munian and Llorente's performances. 3 players who would better ANY team.

Martinez is a particularly solid choice for us given we are looking most likely to play 4-2-1-3. With in essence having 4 attacking players the defence has to be rock solid and the work-rate of the 2 defensive midfielders exemplary.

At the moment those 'best' defensive midfielders we would have would be Carrick (who I believe is much under-rated) and Jones. Do you seriously think Martinez would not be a better option than at least one of those ?

Halesini

Bang on mate ! Most these posters don't have a Scooby doo , this guy is average and has not shone against any big team in a competitive game. ( therefore don't waste ya time quoting Europa) unless you want to mention his performance in the final. Over- rated , people here heard he's one of the best youngsters in Spain and believe he's buy of the century. Need to watch him and he's a bit wasteful and makes bad costly errors . We have too many errors in defence/ midfield at the moment why blow 40 million on some more. Yeah hes an ok player but you want the finished article for 40 mill. Get a grip lads and lasses . Shandy !

I personally would take Muniain over Martinez. He destroyed us and is the best young midfielder with huge potential. I posted before on this for the ed's but it was not listed and never got an answer. Is he available and are we interested

22 Aug 2012 15:29:30
I don't get why we are seemingly after Hector Herrera, i'll admit i've only seen a couple of games he's played in but to me he looks a very similar player to Cleverley. He used to play as a winger and has moved into the centre, he isn't shy of a tackle but he isn't a big or strong lad and tackling isn't one of the strongest parts of his game. He just doesn't look like a player we really need atm.

Shappy

He looks ab it like Busquets to me. I'm not convinced, but hope that he comes good.

RedDevil19

Cheap option?

Never seen the kid play but Mexicans are never big lads really, without looking at him I can be 90% sure he wont be able to physically compete with the big, strong midfielders tearing us a new one.

RED_SKY

Shappy pass the message onto SAF, how can he not see the problem infront of his eyes.
MU93

I would MU93 but he isn't taking my calls, then when I went round to his house there was some mix up and his sercurity staff accidently had me arrested. But I have a good feeling about the court case. Lol.

Shappy

22 Aug 2012 14:07:56
What number alex butter will wear?

17 hopefully !

21.

G.A.G.U.S

I'm gonna guess at 21

DanB

21? It's the lowest number that is available...

Alex Butter.

I've been CHURNING over that question. He may be the ANCHOR man and the CREAM we need need.
Hope this CLARIFIES the situation?
Would want to LUR (pack) you into a false sense of security, so don't SPREAD it.

He is 0. No joke.

Love the dyslexic above with his butter jokes.

Only MARGinally better than this.

(It's Buttner by the way)

SB

He looks as though he will be a great seconDAIRY left back for Utd this season.

Barry

22 Aug 2012 13:15:20
Hector Herrera will sign before 1st September to offer cover to midfield. A combative midfielder who looked solid during the Olympics.

Nani will stay regardless of reports, people are basing him leaving over 1 poor game against Everton at the start of this season. Any true fan who actually watched pre-season will know he was one of the most impressive peformers who linked up with Kagawa really well. Although inconsistant he is still better than Young and selling him to bring in someone not used to the league could be suicide in terms of a title bid.

I truely agree with your point,Nani is still one of Man United best players.

No, people are basing Nani on leaving because the club have been listening to offers for him since last summer. If you are going to pretend you are ITK then don't make a silly error like that.

Sydney!

Nani - inconsistent but better than Young? In that case 2 of our 3 wingers need showing the door then as Nani is woeful.

40 games in a season (+)
Nani is:
4 games 10/10
16 games 6/10
20 games 4/10

Its all about opinions but mine is get rid now. Whatever fee we get I'd grab. Talk of £25m + though is just mad. Fergie should swallow his pride and accept that the 25m invested on Anderson just hasn't worked either. If we got £20m for the pair of them it would be godd business. SELL!

I'm amazed we have won trophies carrying these 2 for the last 5 years.

Halesini

Two points
1 we don't need cover for midfield we need a first choice
2 Nani needs to ply his trade somewhere else as if he plays he will cost us points

Red Man

Nani has only ever been influential on the right wing and he rarely does that at the top level, hence, why Valencia is favoured over him.

Young is mostly a left winger and while i agree he isn't the best there is he plays better on that side than Nani does.

If a team was willing to stump up £25m or more for Nani then take it. Buy a top left winger i.e. Munain. and use Young as our backup for both wings.

Dan H

What's this 'any true fan' rubbish? Do all fans need to agree with your point to be considered a 'true fan'? I watched all of the pre season games and when he played he looked ok against mediocre opposition, Barca aside. He isn't being judged on one game, he's being judged long term as the most inconsistent and frustrating player united have. I for one would let him go if the right bid came in. There are better players out there that would bring more consistency and less attitude. I know there'll be people who disagree but this 'true fan' says everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Matt

Anybody who sees Nani as one of uniteds starting 11 or best players is delusional. He wastes so much possession and its not a secret. United offered him bout last summer and he is still here. For me Young starts ahead of him on the left every time. Not because Youngs is worldclass but because he gets the ball in the box from the left. Nani doesn't even compare to Valencia. 12million bid SOLD!!

Also anyone who was watching pre-season will also have seen that Bebe was one of our best players. Sure give the lad another chance or 2 (if you have to), but for me, Nani is still extremely similar to the player we signed 5 years ago; too selfish, rarely do his crosses beat the 1st man, and far far far too inconsistent.
I personally would sell Young before Nani, but 25+million would be very hard to turn down for either of them, as long as suitable/better replacements were availible.

Jaxer

The reason Jones wont play in midfield is simply because he is garbage.

22 Aug 2012 12:30:33
Two questions guys, how close are we to signing Herrera and how close is Nani to vein sold?

Caolán.

Nani is not going anywhere. Rumours of Herrera having a medical on Friday.

James.

Funny how u fans think nani aint good.yes he had one bad game and is inconsistency does tell during a season.but common you all say gaitan is better than him,I don't watch portuguese league,seriously if the so called gaitan cannot score 15goals and 15assist.Nani scores 12 plus goals and assit a season.that's not bad for a player proven in the EPL compared to portuguese league.nani is just 25yrs old.why sell him and buy another average player.I prefer to sell young than nani.the only way you sell nani is if u getting ronaldo or nasri.pls I hate wen u fans say we should sell nani.there is notin bad having a player of nani class in our team even though he aint a regular.on his good day he can change game,look at some of his goals against big teams like d wonder strike against chelsea last year or is it arsenal.nani is class period,if u don't knw then watch him play for portugal

Whether people believe Nani is good or not is irrelevant to whether or not he's leaving. If a good enough offer comes in for him he will be sold.

Sydney!

I agree. Rooney was very poor versus Everton but I don't hear anyone slating him. It always appears to be Nani or Evras fault. In my opinion Carrick is the weakest player we have...period!!!

Bullseye50

While he looked good in spells for Portugal he didn't do anything to change the game for them. They relied purely on Ronaldo. And besides, playing for Potugal is different. When we need to win he rarely manages to perform at crucial times

Thats stating the obvious.

J - Stand

The main thing I hate about nani is his inability to take set pieces. Every corner the ball never gets past the first defender and his free kicks always hit the wall.

Reply to Bullseye50

Rooney isn't getting slated because although he was poor, anyone who regularly watches United and understands football will tell you that Rooney is almost always poor without plenty of football in his legs, in 2 or 3 games time he'll be unstoppable.

Considering Carrick was one of our most important players last season i'd say you know jack about football... PERIOD!!

22 Aug 2012 12:02:44
Seeing as Martinez looks set to join Bayern, think we should put a bid in for Schwini

Martinez is being signed to play alongside Schweinsteiger in a 4-2-3-1.

Sydney!

Mr Bayern?
Would we have sold Scholes to Bayern? Or Giggs? Would they have wanted to go?

Fantastic player, but just don't see him leaving there... He's a club legend, and good on him.

DodgyBanter

I'll 2nd that DodgyBanter, fantastic player with fantastic loyalty, a rare breed in today's game of money grabbers, love to have him but can't see it ever happening.

Charla

No way he would come. Bayerns signing of Martinez makes them favorites for cl IMHO shahram

I would prefer kroos he really stepped up against rm in cl semi, not always a starter so might be easier to wrestle him away from the mighty Bayern. Let's not forget they have a few quid a big reputation and a legacy similar to ours ( not quite in our level though :) there not chancers like city. They like to run the club properly so it won't just be a case of here's 25 - 35 million we want your player . Shandy

Martinez not gone anywhere yet apparantly bayern wont meet his buy out clause hope im wrong but i can see rubbishty coming in and nicking him.
johndenton

That transfer is going to drag right out by the looks of it, think they still need to agree on a fee(don't know if Ed can confirm this) but also Im pretty sure Schweinsteiger will see out his career with bayern or cost a hell of a lot to prize away.

22 Aug 2012 11:35:48
bamby signed a new 4 year deal.

Oh no thats bad news we should have offloaded him its true he is like bamby always falling over himself also cleverley should go all he does is pass the ball backward and sidewords scholes is finished and carrick is like cleverley sidewords and backwords never looks forward i think hernandez is getting a raw deal class player dont let him go

Great young player huge talent!

Caolán.

Not so fussed as long as Nemo signs a new contract

22 Aug 2012 11:03:12
great news! Wellbeck has signed a four year contract! :D

Whats so great about that?
he is not united quality at all

I hope the lad proves me wrong - but he's a skinny Emile Heskey for my money

How's that great? Never really rated him to indicisive, gets tangled up in own feet! Ok he scored a few last year, 1or 2 crackers and all but generally he very frustrating to watch

Another one the exit doors should be opening for. Would rather he hadn't signed and got him consigned to the subs bench permanently and give Hernandez more games.

Halesini

22 Aug 2012 10:46:47
Good news, Danny Welbeck has signed a new 4 year deal!

DB-Red

Thats good news?

22 Aug 2012 07:14:25
Just a quick thought... what about signing Tottenham defender Michael Dawson for around 8 million!! He has premier league experience and he's a tall player. With are problems at the back surely he would do a job....

What do u think ed

Chris {Ed004's Note - Isn't he very injury prone?}

He already signed for qpr

More injury prone that Rio.
Would be a waste of time investing.

22 Aug 2012 06:41:17
Nani on his way out.... It's about time.

Lets hope your right....he has blagged his way long enough at OT. there is a few more dead weights we need to get rid of, soz if harsh but this is the only way to keep up with city and chelsea who look good this season. lets build a midfield for the nxt 5 yrs today!!

Do u believe everything that's in the papers don't be to quick to criticise him Rooney was poor Monday night to does that mean he is gone to

He can be unplayable but he's massively inconsistent making him unreliable, I don't think youngs any better, maybe more consistent but his best isnt as good as nani's, he'll stay this season but unless his form improves I wouldn't be surprised to see him offloaded