Manchester United Rumours Archive February 22 2013

 

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22 Feb 2013 10:14:07
Not that the Daily Star is a reliable source, but they have an article about how United's commercial sponsors could play a major role in bringing Ronaldo back to Manchester. I was suggesting the same thing about the upcoming Nike deal. I really think there's a window here with Nike, Chevrolet, and United working out a way to bring Ronaldo back and pay him what he'll want. Here's hoping. -KG

 


I know its only the Star but put it this way. If it doesn't happen I will be very disappointed.

He is wanted at United (obviously), he wants to come back to United (apparently) and there is the opportunity to make it work with the Nike and Chev deals.

The marketing spin offs from him coming back would be incredible. It must be being given proper thought.


I really hope this deal does happen but this is like the rumour with sneijder two or three years ago with nike apparently getting involved and pay some the fee or wages.

Red Assassin


I think there's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here come the summer! I really can't see it happening in my opinion, and the fact is that story right there will sell a lot of papers!


Jamal


Bloomberg is also reporting it and they are a water tight financial source. Syd this is exactly what I was referring to in sponsors helping out and I see no reason for this deal not to happen.

Dan


Seems a little far fetched to me but we'll see!

HBadger


With Jose definitely leaving I think Cristiano doesn't want to hang around any longer either. I think he'd like to play under Fergie again, I think that'll be his main reason for coming back to be honest with you. OH and not to mention the fact that the spanish will always rate Messi higher.

Ozwald {Ed004's Note - I reckon the only way we will see Ronaldo here is if Rooney is sold. But the thing is how much would you get for Rooney if according to these papers Ronaldo is worth 55 million. I reckon compared to Ronaldo, Rooney would then be a 25-30 million rated player which is ridiculous if you have Moura, hazard etc going for 35+ million}


I'm a season ticket holder and along with my mate travel 560miles round trip to home games. I've told my mate if we sign Ronaldo in the summer I will take time off work and walk to the first home match of next season for charity to watch him in a United shirt again. There it's in writing now **** **
FlyhalfMitch


Jamal how will it sell more papers, when you can just read it online?


Will be nice, but I don't see it happening! Someone here point out the fact that we will have 3 midfield next season (carrick-cleverley-anderson) + Jones.

We need to adress this area. I love to see CR7 back, but with Zaha coming in. the boy need playing time. Putting Cristiano will not help him very much. You can't play both if you want some balance in the team on the pitch.


JLBER84


Ed it would be Rooneys marketing value that would ensure we get a good price for him. He has sold more shirts than any player in the history of the PL. We would be looking at over 50m because of that. I think the 55m is what the club would pay, GM/Nike would pay extra on top of that fee.

Dan {Ed002's Note - Who do you think is going to pay that for Rooney?}


Never say never lads and lasses. imagine rooney ronny and rvp as a front three. LETHAL!!


Dan, if United fans are seeing Rooney's top displays becoming less and less frequent, then other clubs will be seeing the same thing. I think the only one's who would buy Rooney is possibly PSG and certainly Anzhi, but would Rooney want to go to Russia, I doubt it very much and would he be PSG's first choice, I doubt it very much. Nike may well be able to make a Ronaldo move easier for the club, but I cannot see it. Like I have said we could sign 3-4 top players that are 6/7 years younger than Ronaldo is for a similar amount to what he would cost the club. I don't see it happening Dan sorry.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Syd could you see any other clubs interested. Surely Milan or Juve could be interested, Bayern could be looking for a marquee signing for Pep I wonder if Real would be interested in a swap especially if they are considering letting Ozil leave.}


Nike are encouraging PSG to bid for Rooney apparently. It would be over the 50m mark i'm sure.

Dan


Ed004, I think there are better strikers out there than Rooney and certainly better 2nd strikers. United would want upwards of £40m for Rooney, but who really has that sort of cash?

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - That's what I think as well. Who will spend 40 million on Rooney when Falcao, Cavani, Suarez etc who are all in better shape could be bought for that. I just can't see him being sold this summer or involved in a swap as Real will surely not want him in exchange for Ronald...?}


22 Feb 2013 16:38:49
Ancelotti is a big fan of Wayes - I think next season we'll see Wazza or Ronnie @ PSG or Ronaldo at City (I'm aware of the comment regarding how very very very very very very very difficult it would be to join Citeh but if this is to be SAF last season that could change)
I can't see Ronaldo at Chelsea but I beleive Wenger has a lot to spend in the summer - maybe he'll want to go out in a bang! thoughts?


We used to be able to pay Ronaldo, Rooneys and Tevez's wages. Scholes, Giggs, Ferdinand etc were on a much higher wage than they are now. I think we could afford to keep Rooney and also sign Ronaldo.

Fresh!


Syd, that's the sensible way of looking at it, but there isn't really any other player in the world like Rooney. All the strikers you mentioned are world class but mainly down to their positioning in the box and finishing ability, I would put them in the same box as RvP. Rooney offers something much different, likes to get involved in build up play much deeper. He can be used as a temporary midfielder now that he's matured too. Has a superb long passing ability. I'm not going to make a judgement on how Wayne has changed and adapted his game until the end of this season.

Ed004, I don't think Rooney will have to be sold but maybe he'd have to take a slight pay cut? I mean after all he wanted to leave because of a lack of ambition from the club, if we said to him we're looking to bring Cristiano back then I think he'd only be more happy to stay? The main reason players like Moura and Hazard sell for big £££ is because they carry a box of tricks with them, and supposedly the ability to be a real game changer. It is stupid though.

Ozwald


Ancelotti will very likely be at Madrid next season so it wouldn't be far fetched to say he will want Rooney there then. If that involves a Ronaldo deal I won't argue.
BTW people Rooney has scored 20 in the last 11 matches, not bad for under performing.

Dan {Ed004's Note - Are you sure it's 20 goals? How much would people add on top of Rooney to sign Ronaldo?}


Rooney hasn't scored 20 goals this season, yet, nevermind 20 goals in 11 matches.

TK-Red


Hit the 2 instead of the 1 Ed. 10 goals in 11 is still pretty damn good.

Dan


Fresh, Rooney was on £90k, Tevez £80k & Ronaldo £90k back then.

Oz, Rooney has slowed down significantly in the past couple of years, he is still a top player, but he is on the slide.

Dan, Rooney has scored 13 goals in the past 26 games.

Sydney!


Syd that is still very impressive for someone who has been shuffled around different positions for most of this year.

Dan


Dan, Rooney has played out of position twice at the most this season. In fact he has played more advanced this season compared to last season. Anyway it's not his goal scoring that's in question, he would always score goals at a club like United. I am talking about him, his physique. He is still a top player, but we have seen the best of him IMO and other managers will see what I am seeing.

Sydney!


Rooney Has scored 88 goals in the last 3 year compared to 61 in the 3 previous
Got 34 his most ever only last season while playing several positions
Had a poor start to this season and also picked up a couple of injuries but has still hit 10 in his last 11 games, rarely playing as an out and out striker
People might be righting him off a bit early imo


Why does everyone make out as though united have no money, there one of the richest clubs in the world and buying ronaldo would probably make a profit due to shirt sales and plus you'd probably guarenteed the title next season which will get you about 50 million so there's the money for you!


Agreed Jred. Syd, people don't realise that for the first few matches he was playing as a cm. Moronic commentators just trying to say he is dropping really deep. He has played on the right and on the left numerous times this season as well. "Twice"? Try between 5 and 10 times if you include the CL. He was out of shape and then had an injury, that's it, he is no different than he ever has been apart from maybe losing a little explosive power and pace he had 2 or 3 years ago. My biggest issue is I think the same as Eds. RVP, Kagawa, Welbeck, Clevs are all made to play in a fluid system and I don't think Rooney can do that. Neither can Valencia. For that reason only I don't think Rooney (or Valencia) are a good long term fit for the club unless he plays instead of Clevs in that deeper playmaking role, as we need to be more fluid for the future with our attacking players. All the youth teams are playing fluid football, its clear the club see our football is to be played in that style for the future. We need to be doing that in the first team ASAP.

Dan


The Rooney lovers must watch a different game to me. Granted his scoring record is pretty good considering injuries, out of position etc, but as Syd said it should be playing for a team like Utd. But on the whole his performances this season have been awful, i've never seen a so called world class player give so many easy passes away. Still a good player yes, but when you watch world class players they always look dangerous and classy, Rooney looks worse than average and so sluggish far too often now. There's probably ten strikers you'd have ahead of him. You can say he does a job for the team, works hard blah blah blah but the fact is he is on world class wages and nowhere near worth them. If he is so good Fergie wouldn't play him out of position. Imagine Ronaldo or Messi being sacrificed to do a defensive job!How many great games has he had the last two years?Scored, created, been outstanding, best player on the pitch and looks better than everyone else?Not many.


Sometimes players have to do a job, especially if we don't have other players capable of doing the job. Carrick for example couldn't do the jobs that SAF gets Rooney to do. A few years ago when Mourinho was at Chelsea and Terry et al were injured he got Drogba to fill in at centre back as he could be trusted to get the job done. The same applies to Rooney. And besides, Messi and Ronaldo have totally different mentalities to what Rooney ha

Fresh!


Jred and Dan good job on defending Rooney he is a man of granit I doubt we have seen his biggest moments at Old Trafford and saying he is over the hill lost skill and pace is crazy he has had knocks and injurys and is 27 not 32 he is going to get back to his best at some point in fact like I said before his best is yet to come we will see in due course who is right the sceptics or the hopefull I think Rooney has earned all our respect on the pitch. he is fourth alltime top scorer for the club and the only player for at least the next ten to fifteen years that has any chance of catching Sir Bobby the lads class and a vintage player who can play for the next five or six seasons. ps original post I bet Ronnie goes psg in summer with Jose they will get the most money and we all know how Jose likes teams with money and a great squad I should imagine paris has a lot to offer Ronnie lol Katef.


Ya, it's pretty much a given to have a great scoring record as a forward for manchester united

Danny Welbeck


Kate, no one has said Rooney is over the hill, he is still a very useful player and a player that will always find the net at a club like Manchester United. But his physical state is declining, not in the sense of Michael Owen, but in the sense that he will no longer improve as a player. We are not going to see him burst past players like he used to do. Saying the best is still yet to come is naive to say the least, a player like Rooney is limited without explosive pace. He is still a top player, probably in top 20 in the world, but he will not improve, I believe he peaked a few years ago earlier than most players would. Not enough top performances, too many poor performances. He has played his best football and I have no doubt about that. That being said he is STILL a top player and I am disappointed he isn't fit for today. I am by no means slating him, I just think he is coming to the end of his physical peak.

Sydney!


Syd
The thing is you keep going on about his explosive pace as if it was his main attribute but it never was.
Nearly all players lose some pace as they grow older but it's a gradual process
Imo he's not that much slower than he was last season the same season he scored 30 + goals
Look at his younger days when in your opinion he was quick and top of his game he scored in the league 11, 16, 14, 12, 12 goals a season
That's 65 in 5 seasons, compare that to his last 3 year 26, 11, 27 that's 54 even this year when he's been in and out of the team he's got 10.
So I would say he is improving he may not be as exciting to watch but he is a better goal scorer than he ever was and at the end of the day that's what it all about.


Sydney - the amount of time you spend on here talking about man united you would at least think you knew that Rooney has played in a different position this season. more sao to the beginning of the season where he was used as a deeper CM but that role really didn't suit him as he needs too much time on the ball in that position. He has not been out of position for 2 games.

Rooney is still great playerbut if it meant selling him to bring Ronaldo back I don't think anyone would be against it. He has lost a lot of pace in the last year and is not really that old


Gotta say that if we do sign ronnie I see no reason why Rooney cannot slip back into midfield. His work rate is second to none. He covers immense amount of ground during the game and can play the ball to anyone. also is good in the tackle, with, as we all know a great eye for goal.

Didn't scholesy start as a striker!

Hilliard


Ok Sydney answer me this a few seasons ago would you have thought RVP who was stop start for such a long time would hit the form he has had. These last two seasons he has defo lost pace but his all round game is now muture and he is right at the peak of his powers. I beleave Rooney has not say found his inner self as much as he could and in time we will see a new feather to his cap he is of outstanding lineage of many great Irish bareknuckle desendants in fact his mothers side has a two weight world champion boxer in its history so he is likely to get stronger in his thirtys don't try saying his body is not up to it Sydney because 27 is not a time in a world class athletes cycle to be finished Rooney will get past Sir Bobby as all time top scorer record and stay here for another five or six seasons and finish his career here if he was to leave it would of been when he tryed for a transfer which was a rues by him and SAF anyway cause we know SAF don't take no rubbish so obviously a scam to get more money but that's another story. He will be around for a long time yet Sydney and we have not seen his best regardless of what you anyone says Rooney will write his own history not you or anyone else. Katef


Syd u go on about rooney's pace but RVP isn't lightening fast either


RVP is a lot more skillful than Rooney


That is a silly comparison as RVP is a much better player technically than Rooney.

TK-Red


23 Feb 2013 15:14:46
Too many poor performances? Really? No player IMO keeps on improving at 27. If he is steady/stagnating, yet carries the team (last year). I think he is doing a pretty good job, if not brilliant.

By your logic, Tom Cleverly who hasn't improved that much IMO over the last 2 years should be flogged off to the highest bidder? By the way, I think young Tom will turn out to be a decent player for England/United.

The day we start about selling our best players, we have to question our vision. Simple

Deeps.


RvP has NEVER relied on pace, which means the comparison is pointless, also RvP started his peak a season ago at 27/28, not when he was 20. Like I have said and keep saying, Rooney as a player will always get goals playing for Manchester United, I am merely talking about his PHYSICAL state which is declining. He is slowing down significantly and his performances are reflecting this. My point is he is still a top player, but he is coming to the end of his physical peak and for this very reason he will not be top of anyone's 'wanted list'.

Sydney!


Deeps, when have I ever said we should sell Rooney? I am talking about why Rooney wouldn't be other club's first choice this summer. I am talking about his physical state declining. Am I wrong?

Cleverley is not in physical decline and he has certainly improved over the past two seasons. He would be much further ahead now if he didn't miss 90% of last season.

Rooney as a player is showing signs of decline, that is true whether you like to admit that or not. Like I keep saying, he is still a top player, but he is starting to slow down and his best days are behind him.

That doesn't mean I want to sell, it's a point I am making in relevance to other clubs being interested in him. IE Real Madrid, Barcelona etc etc. These clubs will also be aware that he is starting to slow down.

Sydney!


Sydney, Rooney has never relied on his pace, it was a handy extra trick up his sleeve sure but not his main weapon like, say, Torres. If anything, that stocky strength and his energy have always been his main physical attributes.

He is still improving the awareness and intelligence that made him stand out as a kid. And while he'll never have the technical flair or poachers instincts or rvp, he has a real gift for knowing where to be and what to do, and he has that spirit that drives the whole team forward like Keano used to.

I think any top team would love to have him, and several would be willing to meet that price.


Syd
But as I have pointed out when Rooney had this explosives pace you continually go on about he was only scoring 12/13 goals.
In his early days Rooney had the potential to be a superstar but never developed in to the player many though or hoped for but he has still become a top player.

You go on about his pace but ignore the fact he is a far better goalscorer than he ever was.
He wasn't quick last year and banged in34 goals which you again seem to ignore.
That's 34 while playing a number of positions not many strikers out there could do that.
Rooneys game has changed as his got older his not the same player he was he doesn't rely on his pace to score goals.
He's also still fit and covers as much ground as any one.
Rooney has had a stop start season so far but I can't remember to many people complaining about him at the end of last season.
Tell me an other player who will play in the hole left side/right side of midfield and cm and still get you 30+ goals


LOL, I give up. Rooney is in the best physical shape of his career and he has been outstanding this season.

If lies are what people would prefer to hear.

Sydney!


Syd
I think everyone would agree this hasn't been Rooney best season, but your argument is flawed imo so prob best u give up


Flawed? My argument is simple, that Rooney is no longer in the best physical shape of his career?

How is that flawed? It's fact.

Sydney!


Syd
I thought your argument was that he was past his best and that we have seen the best of him

Which is different to whether he is in the best physical shape of his career ( who wouldn't want to be 21 again)

Moving the goal posts me thinks


Ok I see your point Sydney but do you think he is not capable of getting back to a fitter player I do think he has filled out a bit but that will be muscle mass as well and a stricter diet and traning program would almost certanily be fitter and were talking about a sports science modern era not the 80s were players are gone buy 30 but with medical and scientific advacments that can and will improve players longevity and our club is one of the best at this how good is Giggs at 39?. Katef


Ronaldo won't be coming back. Face up to the facts.

Rarely if ever in any walk of life does someone leave an organisation, and then move back several years later.


Can't really see Rooney taking up yoga


Jred, we were talking about what teams would want Rooney. I gave my reasons to why teams like RM and Barcelona wouldn't want to buy Rooney or why he wouldn't be a top club's first choice. Like I have consistently said, he is still a top player that will find goals at a club like Manchester United, but physically he is starting to decline. I am not talking about his goal tally, I am talking about his body. My point was teams like RM and Barcelona will be well aware of this so wouldn't be interested in paying top dollar for Rooney now, a Rooney from 2009 yes, but not now his body is showing signs of decline. No one has moved any goal posts here, I have been consistent. He is coming to the end of his physical peak and because of this I believe we have already seen the best of Rooney. The last bit is my opinion, the rest is fact.

Sydney!


Syd

As I have tried to explain all players slow down and need to adapt there game Rooney has done this and the stats show that Rooney is a far more effective striker than in his younger days

Rooney may not be as quick as he was but has a lot more to his game than that.

Also pal to say the rest is fact is very arrogant to be honest,
Truth is its all your opinion you have no idea if the top teams are interested in Rooney.

There is a lot more to any players game than speed
I would take the 34 goals he got last season over the 13/14 he used to average at his physical peak


Between 2004/05 and 2009/10 when Rooney's physique was at it's best, he scored 131 goals in six seasons. That's almost 22 goals a season. 22 goals a season is not bad going seems most of that Ronaldo was our goal machine and Ronaldo took the penalties/freekicks.

Now for the last time I still rate Rooney very highly, but I think we have seen the best of him. That is just my opinion and I respect yours, but you will not change my opinion no matter how many stats you use. You say every player slows down, not at 25/26 they don't.

This something you expect from someone in their early 30's, not at 25/26 years old. Then again the manager did go on about Rooney's parents in the summer and said he will have to battle his own genes. To answer your question, I would take a quicker Rooney (2004-2010) over the current Rooney, no questions asked.

Sydney!


He scored in the league 11, 16, 14, 12, 12 goals a season
That's 65 in 5 seasons, compare that to his last 3 year 26, 11, 27 that's 54 even this year when he's been in and out of the team he's got 10.
As I said further up the page must better goal scorer over the last 3 year

But let's just leave it at that it's getting boring ( again)


Who is talking about just the league?

You often use his 34 goals from last season, was they all scored in the league?

Sydney!


Also do you think he is a better goalscorer due to Ronaldo not stealing his thunder just like RvP is now?

Sydney!


Syd
No probs you can add 16 cl goals in 47 games in his first 5 years compared to 14 goals in just 23 over the last 3 if you want

Also Rooney and ronaldo were in the same team for 5 seasons Rooney out scored him in 3 of them seasons
Ronaldo only got over 30 goals a season once for United Rooney managed it twice in the last 3 year

But like I've said it's getting boring pal straight up just leave it, you think he's on the way out I think he's just having a bad season due to various reasons and in fact has been a more effective striker over the last couple of years, maybe not as exciting to watch as the young explosive Rooney but at the end of the day it's not all for show imo it's about putting the ball in the back of the net.


I would choose a younger Rooney over this current Rooney all day long. He was a far better player than he has been for the past two season's. He was quick, had better movement, he had a far better first touch and he got stuck-in more. If he didn't have RvN & Ronaldo in the team he would have scored far more in his early years. RvN & Ronaldo hogged the penalties and much of the time Rooney was shoved out on the left.

I would take a Rooney of 2008 over a Rooney of 2013. I am sure almost all would.

Sydney!


As I have said I think Rooney is having a poor season this year, however as I have said and explained I think the Rooney of 2008 who scored 18 goals in 44 games in what was a good attacking man united (pretty average return) was rated so highly days to the potential he had.
I think he has improved as a player since then, in 2010 for me he was a better player than in 2008 scoring 34 goals in 44 games.

I also think that the Rooney of last season who scored 34 goals in 44 games playing a number of positions in a team that lacked creativity was a better all round footballer than the 2008 player

In short the young wayne rooney was all about potential but he was a rough diamond I think he has improved and is a better all round player now than what he was but unfortunately didn't reach the highs many thought.
I don't think the Rooney of 2008 would of got 34 goals last season.
But I have explained all this above, I can't make it any clearer, I'm not just saying your wrong I have my reasons for disagreeing

You think different that's fine, but we are going round in circles for what it's worth I think the Rooney of 2008 was more exciting to watch


Jred, the Rooney of 2008 never took penalties and played most of the time on the left. Rooney of last season took every penalty, never had to play second fiddle to ronaldo and if he is still world class the team would be built around him and not rvp.


The team wasnt built round rvp though as the team was already in place and he's been added to it


Interesting debate.

My issue with Rooney is not physically, but mentally. Every player gets old, loses a yard of pace etc. , but if you look at Giggs, Lampard, Maldini, Scholes they all kept their mindset right, adapted their games and were/are very successful in their thirties. Rooney's issue is he is not putting in the fitness training, because he's lost motivation. This would also prove problematic if united thought about selling him as who wants a lazy star player?

A hungry, fit and aggressive Rooney is when he's at his best. Hopefully he might be having a difficult season, let's not forget Giggs and Scholes both had these in their late 20's.

I'd love Ronaldo back, but £55M for a 28 year old is madness. Get Strootman and Rodriguez for the same money and let's see if Rooney gets his state of mind right next year. He'll have to if he wants a good contract renewal!


Jred, Rooney only got 34 last season because there were less people to take a share of the goals. There was no RvN, Ronaldo or RvP at the club. Add that to Berbatov (who outshone Rooney the year before) shoved on the bench. In 2008 Rooney had more attacking players at the club, hence the reason he didn't score as many. It's really not rocket science mate. Last season it was just him and Chicharito so Rooney was always going to get 30+ goals as there were less players to share the goal tally with. Add that to Rooney scoring close to ten set pieces (I think), would he have taken those set pieces with RvN, Ronaldo or RvP in the side? Come on mate I am not telling you to pull your Rooney posters off of the wall, but he isn't half as good as he was five years ago. Still a top player, but I think he best days "physically" are behind him.

Sydney!


No name, to be fair I don't have any issue with Rooney like yourself, it is what it is. He is in early physical decline, he was always going to have to battle his genes. Weight issues have always been a problem for him throughout his career, add that to starting his career at the top from a young age. Where most would peak around 25/26 he peaked much younger. I still think he has a lot to offer, but I do believe we have seen the best of Rooney. Scholes & Giggs did not slow down at 25/26 like Rooney started to. They slowed down in their 30's.

Sydney!


Lol Rooney only scored because there were less people to share the goals.
In 2008 there was more attacking players hence the reason he didn't score as many
He was always going to score 30 + goals last season
Sydney

Syd you crack me up, you sound like a scouser trying to slag one of our players off.
I think to score 34 in that team last year was an achievement, be honest have you ever actually played football

The fact that there weren't as many attacking players in the team makes his goals all the more impressive it sounds to me as if you clutching at straws pal a lot of it is opinion the the FACTS are Rooney scored more goals in the last 3 season than he did when he was young.

I think messi got 60/70 goals last season ronaldo got 60 imagine how many they would of got if there were less attacking players in the barce/ madrid team


Interesting debate/no name
I think you make some good points motivation going stale I remember giggs getting similar stick at a similar age to rooney from a section of fans, inter were interested and some thought it was time to cash in


Jred, that's the point isn't it. Ronaldo and Messi are the main forwards in their teams, that's why they have the most goals.

If you played Messi and Ronaldo in the same team would they both score 60/70 goals each? No, it would be shared between them.

Last season Rooney got 34 goals as he was sharing them with less people, add RvP and now the goals are shared around even more.

Like I said it's not hard to understand, well for most people that isn't.

Sydney!


Syd
This is my final say, I've gave my opinion I've backed up my argument with facts, there is no doubt Rooney has scored more goals in the last 3 years than when he was young with explosive pace at the peak of his fitness
, a bit like your argument about the standard of the EPL you seem to think your opinion is fact and proof enough.

Now like I have said 4 times let's just leave it at that, I think 2 people going over and over the same points actually spoils the site it also not very fair on the op

If it makes it any easier you may well be right I guess only time will tell


Out comes the "you sound like a Scouser slagging off one of our players"

You are right Jred, you are cracking up. Running out of argument?

Sydney!


25 Feb 2013 11:17:30
I don't fink its sydney! crutching at straws jred. Rooney was better in his younger days, but he wasn't our main goal scorer tthen as ronny was. If ronny wasn't here then he would have scored much more goal. If you took ronny out of madrid higuian would get many more goals. Ruud and ronny stopped Rooney getting 30 or more goals in his younger years. Its easy to understand surely? I would take Rooney in his younger days over the Rooney of today. Who wouldn't? Just you I fink.


And I have successfully shown you why your argument about Rooney scoring more in the past few years is flawed.

Sydney!


No name, exactly my point, if Rooney didn't have RvN & Ronaldo taking large amounts of the goals back then, Rooney would have scored many more. Especially if he was taking the penalties like last season.

Take his average of 22 goals a season and add 8-10 penalties or free-kicks to it and there you have your 30+ goals. Or take away the penalties & free-kicks from last season and Rooney's tally would be down around 22.

Simple stuff really.

Sydney!


Lets put it another way Jred, would Rooney have scored 34 goals last season if Ronaldo was here? I think RvP this season has proved that wouldn't be the case. Can you imagine if RvP had been the penalty taker from the start? Would Rooney even be in double figures? I know his younger self would have been. Stats prove that even with RvN & Ronaldo/Tevez in the side he still averaged 20 goals a season.

Sydney!


Not sure Rooney has scored 10 penaltys while at united never mind 10 a season and when did he last score a free-kick


No name, we are talking about last season's 34 goals. At least nine of them were penalties and at least two of them were free-kicks. My point was if Ronaldo was in the side Ronaldo would have been taking the penalties and free-kicks. If Rooney took the penalties and free-kicks in his early years he would have scored more than 30 goals a season then too.

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Sydney your problem with Rooney is he does not get himself in the sort of shape he once was in but you also say he will never get back to his fitness and its genetics well I have said before he has great genetics I have many irish friends with the same pavee blood as Rooney these men fight for pride and honour they can go years without traning and get fat really fat but if the call comes they start training and get fit and lose weight very fast and before you know it there fit as a butchers dog. Rooney is the cream of these people no doubt he could get fitter again he is to young to be past his best its his hunger and desire he needs to get back not his stamina maybe all the money has knocked his drive a bit I can't belave he is weakening at his age it is to young and he is to strong for a man of his breeding so expect him to be back stronger than ever never right a fighter off. Katef


Kate, Rooney is still a very useful player and like I have said he is my second name on the team sheet, but it has been over two years since he was at his physical peak. That will never return. All he can do now is adapt. I am sure he will continue to adapt and remain a top player for the next few years, but his best days physically are behind him.

Attitude wise, he has been sent to the gym by the manager on a number of occasions and who comes back to training eight pounds overweight? For a boxer it's easy to get fat and lose it for a fight, Ricky Hatton is proof of this, but as a footballer it is hard. Even a fully fit Rooney would never be able to get back to the way he was just a few years ago.

I don't have a problem with Rooney, I just think we have already seen the best of him.

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