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22 Sep 2012 21:20:25
Just read that fergie tried to sign semhi kaya from
Galatasary.
If we hadn't of been playing galatasary 4 days ago i would of gladly placed a wager of over £10k that this post would never have made this rumours page.......
Robbo
Robbo,
galatasarays executive said himself that sir alex enquired about kaya and muslera
DJ
22 Sep 2012 21:49:34
Was just thinking, Who does the majority think we should play at LB tomorrow against scourers? Buttner or Evra?
I would like to see buttner in a "big game" to see what he is made off. Evra is very inconstant and reluctant to get back into position after advancing. Plus he is very mistake prone.
James!
Would love to see Buttner play against Liverpool thinkhe's got what it takes after that belter debut
I think Buttner had a great debut, but as Fergie said is rough around the edges (something i think will be solved with game time). Its refreshing to see a left back with attacking intent and positional awareness. The latter which I believe Evra lacks
Mikey P
Im worried if evra plays today it could cost us big time with his defensive positioning.....and also trying to defend against the likes of sterling who could make a fool out of him
perfect match to really see what buttner is made off, and I reckon he would step up to the challenge 100%
Robbo
I think Buttner will start, i've just got a feeling that Sir Alex may take Evra out of the way to avoid any potential issues with him and Suarez. After all Sir Alex has made repeated pleas to the fans to behave and show respect. I think he will play safe and start Buttner, just a feeling mind.
Shappy
I would play Evra at lb and play Buttner in front of him 4 a bit of protection as u can t really depend on nani 2 track back and its going 2 be a high tempo game
I think it depends on where Fergie thinks Sterling will play. I would prefer Evra on Borini (no real threat) and Buttner on Sterling (bit of a gamble but Evra can't handle the pace).
Sween
As nani is pants t the moment and young is out, why not push evra up to left side of midfield with buttner at left back?
I think Evra deserves to recieve a handshake from a certain someone. I can't imagine Fergie not providing him with that opportunity.
MDJ
22 Sep 2012 21:20:53
Bit confused did someone say rafael wouldn't make it at at any other top 4 team? but correct me if I'm wrong didn't arsenal try sign him before we did and didn't chelsea want him this summer?
Rafael is a very good right back already he just needs to improve his positioning and tackling... He will be perhaps the best right back of his time with maybe Kyle Walker and maybe some will break through this year too.
I think he'll be a great player but just to nitpick your comment means nothing as Chelsea or Arsenal trying to sign him is not him making it at another top 4 team
When the twins arrived they were both very raw but incredible talents, I don't think they would have gotten into any top 4 team straight away. But now I would have Rafael ahead of pretty much any right back in Europes top teams, better than Richards/Maicon/ Zabeleta/ Ivanovic/ Sagna/Jenkinson (haha)/Alves/ Arbeloa. Probably close to Lahm now as well and only really have Ramos ahead of him but he is playing centre back now. Any team in England would buy him if he became available in my opinion.
Sween
Agreed Sween. I can't wait for Fabio to get back as well so he can challenge Evra with Buttner. Evra was pretty poor again today.
Dan
I also remember barca rumours about a year back. Rafa is a good young right back. Hes in the brazilian squad and starting for us. Has to be doing something right, and will only improve as he has done these past three seasons.
GALWAY RED
22 Sep 2012 20:33:55
Are people finding that when you press 'reply to a post' it doesn't work and you can't reply?
Fresh! {Ed007's Note - We are trying to deal with some technical problems, sorry for the inconvenience lads.}
22 Sep 2012 15:05:51
Looking at Rafael, i think he would make a great winger. Defensively he looks a bit suspect. Don't get me wrong he can tackle but sometimes he gets caught too far up field. He has great determination and really gives it his all. I really do rate him but perhaps his attacking instinct kicks in too much. When he doesn't play we do miss his surging runs down the right flank. Also i can't see us playing with wing backs which would suit his style of play.
Also i would like to see Young play on the right wing as i feel he would be his man more often due to him being on his favoured right foot. Also play Nani on the left too as he plays better on the left than the right. (albeit still inconsistant but abut better). Im not saying we should drop Valencia but we should try this when Young is back.
Also when you look at Young, Nani and Valencia they play as though Fergie has asked them not to beat theri man and play the ball inside. WE all remember when Valencia used to bomb past defenders and put in a top cross. Even Nani used to do this although usually with a suspect cross.
Maybe trying to adopt a barcelona style of football doesn't suit our players. WE certainly look as though we have lost our edge since changing our style.
Mad Hatter
People slated united for having an old fashion style, but as soon as we show a little change in our system it gets slated again. It's going to take a little time for United to get accustomed to a more European style but in the end it will probably be for the better.
Also we haven't lost our edge, it's the start of the season, we always look like we're lacking a bit, wait until Christmas and we'll turn it on as usual.
Red Joe
(oh and Nani plays better on the right btw)
He does play better on the right but still not as well as Toni.
Young has done that because he's not very good at beating his man. I see Nani and Valencia take their man on more often than not dunno why you would think that. To retain posession like Barca you need the technical ability to keep the ball when people press you and try to tackle you. Scholes is the only MF player (Kagawa as well but he is not really a MF) who can do this so it cant work for us yet. Carrick can pick out a pass when no one pressures him but he is not technically great to be comfortable under pressure to keep possession. We are working on this at youth level with players like Daehli, Januzaj, Pereira, Pearson etc though and in the future I can pretty much guarentee SAF and united want there midfielders to pass and move like Barca as SAF has stated. This is another reason the club are keen to bring in Pep as the next manager. He was right at the heart of the academy when Messi was coming through and is a midfield technical and tactical genius.
Dan
Rafael has been very solid against Wigan and Gala as well as being great going forward. He is only 22 and will be world class i'm sure its just a matter of time he's already fantastic!
So what are you saying - play Rafael, Valencia and Young all on the right wing! The funny part being you've said to play Nani on the left but he's actually much better on the right too! That would leave us with 4 right wingers...oh dear!
Gav
Valencia USED to bomb crosses? He had a great season last year and I don't think there will be a chance of Nani or Young going for the right wing: it already has an owner.
Ashley Young is much better at left wing, as he's used to cutting inside and shooting the ball from mid-range.
Rafael, well... interesting case: excellent forward, awkward defending BUT... the world is having problems fiding right and left backs that can actually do both things well. I say we stick with Rafael.
That post from beginning to end was absolute nonsense
Rafael is not a right winger, the same reason as why Glenn Johnson, Kyle Walker, Micah Richards etc aren't one and yet some people keep harping on about how the examples should do it for England - completely different role and positional sense is needed. One reason why Rafael is effective at RB is because he can overlap and it relies on players sticking with him for 40-50 metres tracking, which they can't always do. Valencia is the best right winger in the league and the reason he isn't throwing in crosses as frequently as he maybe used to is because we have one man in the box normally on a break and on the rare occasions we have more than that they are normally too small to win anything in the air (for the most part).
With players scared stiff of Valencia it naturally allows Rafael to get forward, and he is getting much better at knowing when to do this. He is also getting much more aware in his defensive role and I think we are not far away from having one of the best right sides in the world.
Valencia at right midfield will be the first name on the Utd team sheet at the moment.
Nani is useless in my opinion, nowhere near Utd class. Young was seen as being a great way to add a new dimension to our wing play, English and not too expensive - but both he and Evra are not on the same wave length and I think that now the right is on the way to perfection the left is where Fergie/next manager will be focussing next season. Evra going and an expensive signing for left wing coming in, my money is on Munian.
Sween
Spot on sween
snakey
Your saying drop Valencia unless you favor playing Nani Young and Valencia all in the same 11.
22 Sep 2012 14:29:16
Sween, just wanted to ask a question, how do you know that Rooney is going to be on the bench a lot?
Darren-Bermuda
I don't know it for a fact Darren, but all the signs look like we are playing 4-5-1 and RVP is a better striker than Rooney. We wouldn't have paid the money for RVP when we have clear deficiencies elswhere unless Fergie was worried about the ability of Rooney to play as the lone striker. Even if they are rotated it has been blatantly clear over the years that Rooney needs a lot of game time to keep sharp and I can just see his fitness levels continuing to drop, he is ineffective on the left of the three whenever I have seen him there, so the bench is his likely place in the future. It was on the cards several years ago, he was playing like a man of 27-28 at the age of 17-18 and now his body is getting older he is playing like he is in his mid-30's. Ok for a midfielder but not an explosive striker, same sort of thing is happening with Torres, bit different but once that sharpness goes it very rarely comes back.
Obviously RVP is a bit injury prone, but Fergie isn't adverse to gambling on that so I think RVP is seen as a replacement for Rooney as opposed to a strike partner.
Playing 4-4-2 would mean that Kagawa would be a waste and our midfield already looks weak in the middle.
Sween
22 Sep 2012 09:54:24
According to reports Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is keeping tabs on Wigan Athletic youngster James McCarthy.
Ferguson is believed to be a big fan of the box-to-box midfielder.
McCarthy has also been linked with a £10 million move to Chelsea, though Ferguson's friendship with Latics chairman Dave Whelan could swing any deal in his favour.
thats for bond
jred
He was disappointing against us in the more recent game, but a decent player with good energy who likes a tackle or two. He would be lined-up as a replacement for Fletcher IMO. If Wigan cannot stay up this season then a £10m deal to either United or Liverpool is a real possibility.
Sydney!
McCarthy is 21 years old with six years experience as a first team regular, three of those in the PL. He is incredibly mature in his position and has bags of potential. At present he has proved more in PL than Cleverly and he is younger. 10m would be a steal for one of the best young midfielders in league.
Danny Pughnited
I think we could mould him into a very good player. Him, Cleverley and Powell would be a good midfield,
Good but not united standard. Stick with Fletch now and remember Tunners is coming through and so is a lot of potentially better players in the academy.
Dan
I think he could fit in. He is a good player, but look at the young midfielders we have already got. Powell, tunnicliffe, cleverly, petrucci.
I think he'd be a good and relatively low risk buy. We do have potential coming through so I wonder if it would be wise to spend something like £25 million on a Fellaini. We'd do well to sign McCarthy in January and then a centre back and Nani replacement in summer with possibly another playmaker to replace Anderson if he leaves.
Fresh!
Danny Pughnited,
I find myself agreeing with most of your post but I am left with a slight feeling of 'if he was that good surely he would have been snapped up sooner?'. Do you know what I mean? I'm not trying to wind up Ed007 honest, haha
Gav
Gav, Keane spent three years at Forest before the big teams had any interest. But during those years he was playing regular first team football and developing into a top class player. McCarthy is in the same situation. He has been quietly developing into a quality midfield player, and after proving himself capable of competing in the premier league he has earned a move to a big club who can help him take his game to the next level. If he was snapped up when he was younger he would have been loaned out to a club like Wigan (if he was lucky) or restricted to a cameo role. He has an absolutely excellent attitude and is exactly the sort of young midfielder that I would like to see at the club.
It goes to show how arrogant some of our supporters are when they're talking up players like Tunnicliffe and Petrucci, who haven't kicked a ball at the top level, as being vastly superior to an established premier league player just because they came through the academy.
Danny Pughnited
22 Sep 2012 08:53:11
can anyone please tell me when people post, half their words become links to betting sites?
nov00 {Ed007's Note - It's new advertisers but there should only be about 4 per page. We are really struggling to cover costs, all we want is to break even. Sorry about any inconvenience but needs really must. Excuse my spelling etc I am on my phone editing.}
Well its bloody annoying. Ive had this on other sites and stopped using them
It really isn't that annoying? Just don't click on the link it's simply enough..
Ozwald
Well if its annoying you mate get yer hand in your pocket and donate some money, small price to pay. Is it taxing your eye's too much reading writing in different colours.
Well stop using this one then
Just throwing this out there Edds but why don't we have a donation button an us fans who love the site an the work you lot put in an I would be more than happy to donate a bit
Dio {Ed007's Note - That's a lovely idea Dio and thanks for the kind words. One idea I came up with was a type of VIP area, for a small amount like £2/3 a month and we could open a big live chat room on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday night for subscribers from all the club pages to talk about the weekends games.
Hopefully the thought of paying a small fee would deter the trolls and it would let all the people chill with a beer and have a bit of craic.
There would be strict rules to follow but I would hope the guys that paid for it would be all the decent regulars. There would be no anonymous sadacts to waste it and anyone out of order gets ejected and barred or suspended......it could take a short time to get it running smoothly but I think it could be good for you guys and would help us cover the costs.
We are not trying to fleece anybody, I can assure you all of that but we had a record hit count (our biggest yet!) in August and we struggled to cover costs.
Obviously the maths would need to add up, but if you guys have any feedback let me know and I will see what the powers that be think. It would make no difference what so ever to any of the sites, they will always be our priority but it would be an option for people if they wanted it.}
Better still just click a link everytime you come on here its no hardship
Pardoe
Good idea ed007, i wondered why there wasn't any sort of donation system. But the idea of a VIP area is great as like you said it'd stop the people who like to cause an annoyance to be on their way. I'd happily donate, think i've come on this website practically everyday since i found it over a year ago!
Ozwald {Ed007's Note - Thanks Ozwald.}
VIP is good idea, like Oswald, I too check the site daily even when not in the U.K. Some won't like the idea, but you can never please everybody.by the way this is a good site. Good work to the eds etc, even if most of my posts never actually make it past them!
Karl Marx
Either would be good for me. I've been on here everyday pretty much since I have been aware of the site. Also, whichever Ed gave me the stunning piece of interview advice from the Everton fan a while back, I have an interview on Thursday and will give it a go if the interview goes tits up. Keep up the good work!
Dan {Ed007's Note - That sounds like Ed001 or 2 that would have helped there Dan. I will pass on your thanks.}
Either is good for me don't mind a small fee but also don't mind clicking a few links it really is a small price to pay for such a good site
Onecut
I think the vip section is an incredible idea. i very rarely post but i would join even though i wouldnt be on it as i havnt had a weekend off in years. but i think a donation link is even better as i would be more than happy to make a donation every so often
you guys do an excellent job and we cant have a few pounds stopping us fuelling our habit
who was it who said 'Money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver'!!!
muffinMan
First off...I love this site and am sad to hear you guys are finding it tough to keep funding it. All the Ed's input is invaluable and that's what makes this site for me. TBH I dont go on any other forums as I like the format of this one so much
Secondly...personally I would prefer a 'donate' option to a VIP one only because I find myself being a little 'tight' when it comes to monthly subscriptions and bills. Having said that I do love the site and would probably find myself subscribing to the VIP section for that reason, so either way you have my support! I do understand that a one off 'donate' option is probably unviable as most users would just choose not to
Keep up the good work Ed's (love in time)
Gav {Ed007's Note - Thanks very much Gav.}
A quick question to the eds, are you on a commission based deal with the advertisers?
If so fans of the site should just open a link now and again to help out
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See wa I have started now ed a few want to donate but that would turn to the many in no time or we could set it up me an u ed an take everyones money an sail into the sun set but not in a gay way lol all jOkes aside I think it should be implemented either the VIP or donation or both if people dnt fancy the monthly subscription thn they can donate or sum thing
Dio {Ed001's Note - the idea is to keep it free, I really don't want people to have to pay.}
Maybe have a donation system which provides the member with a status Icon or colour, Gold £15, Silver £10 Bronze £5 (obviously this is just an example, i have no idea what you would look to raise), this will allow the users of the site to see how serious the poster is about their support of the website and will enable the Ed's to prioritise the new posts by member (might not work though).
Problem with this could be that people that aren't members may think the site is ignoring them if they don't pay and will look elsewhere and people may think that it's a bit elite-ist. But I think that most people that use the website wont have a problem donating a small amount, you probably wouldnt need to add any extra perks, just a level of member being clear for everyone to see, so people feel a bit of shame if they are always commenting but haven't bothered to support it when help is needed.
I'm sure that there are enough of us Utd fans that would donate without any extra benefits, let alone the rest of the websites you have running. Maybe you could set up a pole or questionnaire on the site so you can gage how much interest there would be in supporting it.
Sween
Ed001 i no you guys want to keep it free but if you are struggling then you need us fans to help you guys out instead of you guys always helping us
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22 Sep 2012 06:08:38
Guys i believe Fergie will not be waiting till summer to bring in all the other players he needs to strengthen his squad,rebuild it and also find Scholes and Giggs' replacements..,He will bring in some in January,getting rid of out of favor players and the rest will be done in summer but not as busy as this just ended summer..,so expect ANDERSON,MACHEDA and possibly NANI to go this January and 2 players coming in,inform of a midfielder(BOX-B0X) and a defender(CB) AND expect a lot of our senior players to depart in summer e.g Evra,Ferdinand,Scholes,Giggs,and possibly captain Vidic and then expect a left winger in,a CB in and a DM in and some other youth players like Victor Fishcer,Hector Herrera and some south Americans as SAF has set his sights on that continent for raw talent and also the departure of Bebe and Wayne Rooney is very possible and so is the coming in of Robert Lewandowski....,and definately the return of improved and talented Fabio to compete with Buttner for the left back position...,EDS what do you think
Crazy as it sounds I agree with most of that, very hectic 9 months ahead for us and I think Fergie will be going as well in the Summer. I doubt Vidic or Anderson will be going in the next 12 months to be honest, but I do think Rooney, Evra, Rio, Nani, Giggs, Scholes, Bebe and Macheda will go. I also think you could maybe add Hernandez and possibly Young to that. A massive overhaul in the Summer, cutting the wage bill, bringing in some youth and giving those at the clube already some more games.
Anderson is going to be a big player for us I believe (I've been saying it for a few years and I think it is his time now, anymore serious injuries and it will be curtains for him with us though, I hope I'm not wrong about him) and Young hasn't impressed and is injury prone, an expensive replacement will be sought, Munian is where I would put my money. Vidic would have gone this summer had he not been injured, but the chance has gone now so he will see out the next couple of years with us before he moves somewhere else once his standards drop.
Rooney will be gone in the Summer if one of the big boys come in for him, we want him off our wage bill and he isn't half the player he was. I am in SE Asia at the minute and they keep playing 10 minute clips of Rooney on the TV, he looked so quality whilst at Everton, I wish we had the young Rooney again, a completely different and less quality player now unfortunately.
Sween
Okay, I understand, as most of us do, that we need to overhaul our midfield. but, have you forgotten that we actually have to have English players in the team? I am unsure of the exact ruling, but a certain amount of the matchday squad HAS to have a certain number of English or home grown players in it.
I agree that the likes of Rio, Giggs, Scholes, Young and maybe even Rooney need to move on, but we then have to replace them with home grown players. So that leaves us looking at our own youth crop (which does look exciting), or again looking at overpriced, overrated English players.
I would love to see some of these exciting wonderful foreign players come in, but we have bought 4 foreigners this summer who are all either first teamers now or will be soon.
This is just my view on it and would love to see what others have to say on it.
BTW I am all for letting Nani go wherever he wants to go as he does not look interested to me.
Red Pedro
Not much will happen in January,seldom does.Couple of retirements and a couple to leave in the summer maybe.There wont be a major overhaul because it doesnt need one,it just needs a player or three here and there (a left winger,centre back if Vidic or Ferdinand leave and a experienced left back if Evra goes,hopefully.)I think Fergie could go otherwise we'll miss out on Mourinho,the only man for the job in my opinion
As I was typing my last post I was thinking about the English players quota. But I am sure that Rafael and Fabio will be classed as home grown as they were 18 or under when they signed. We then have Cleverly, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling, Carrick, Powell, plus a few other youngsters who should be readyish for the first team.
Can anyone confirm if the twins count as home grown yet?
I'd like to get rid of Rooney and Young as sitting on the bench their value will diminish and we could get some decent money for them enabling us to invest in the likes of Munian. If Fergie is planning to play Rooney on the left I doubt it will work and there are more natural players to fill that void.
Sween {Ed002's Note - They already count as home grown, as do Evans, Young and Rooney. To be clear, the quota is effectively the other way around with a maximum number of 17 players who can be over the age of 21 and not home grown. So if a club were to only name a squad of 20 they would only need three home grown players.}
Why would you get rid of Rooney! World class player! I would like to get rid of Macheda, Anderson, Nani, Bebe, King and Welbeck.
Bringing in Victor Fischer, Vadillo Fabregas/Cabaye/that kind of player.
Problem is SAF rates Macheda and wont sell him. Also, Nani would run his contract down and refuse to be sold and no one wants to buy Ando for a reasonable price. Even if we sold a striker then we dont need another one IMO apart from youngsters like Fischer and Keane who will be ready to play their part in a couple of years. I rate Keane higher than Welbeck and it honestly wouldn't bother me if Welbeck left because though technically gifted he is quite average and doesn't score goals. Why would people rather sell Rooney and keep Welbeck? Suicide!
Either way the most important thing for us is a deep lying playmaker in the mold of Fabregas/Cabaye to replace Scholes.
Dan
Dan your the only man that talks sense on this post why would anyteam sell rooney they wouldnt simple as he is and always will be class he is made of the same stuff scholes and giggs are pure granit and we have not seen the best of him yet cant beleave the band wagon that jumps on players one week then sings there praise when there back to there best this new team could end up doing great things powell looks very good and kagawa can become the best creative player in the league with proven scores like ROONEY and rvp we will be flying in europe and the league fergie to do the treblel up united
Thanks for the explanation Ed on the home player situation.
Dan and No-Name - Rooney was world class, but he isn't any longer. He isn't going to play ahead of RVP and isn't good enough to play on the left of the three. Why should we keep hold of Rooney, he costs a fortune and those wages can be spent elsewhere? He isn't anywhere near the player he was, he is taking longer and longer to get back to match sharpness after injury or suspension and that is only going to get worse, especially if he is keeping the bench warm most weeks. He has one more big contract to go in his career and he will still be overvalued in the market by the likes of PSG, Chelsea, City etc - he is worth more in sponsorship etc for them now, but in my mind that will also diminish over the next 12 months, when people start judging the player on performances rather than name alone.
Furthermore, quite a few people have been talking about 'Waning' Rooney for a long time now. Can't remember when he last had two good games on the run and lets face it most half decent strikers would have as good or a better goals to game ratio playing for Utd than Rooney! Rooney used to scare opponents when his name was on the team sheet, teams often doubled up on him which gave space to our other players, doesn't have the same effect now and teams don't amend their tactics to deal with him - hence far less chances being created - I'm sure you have noticed how little we generaly create compared to a few years ago. The blinkers need to come off with Rooney, fortunately Fergie has realised just in time so we can make a fair bit and watch our competitors pick up the next Kaka/Shevchenko/Torres.
Sween