Manchester United Rumours Archive July 23 2012

23 Jul 2012 21:43:01
I'm pretty sure a deal for Lucas has already been agreed, but it will not be anounced until after the Olympics. Same with Oscar and Chel$ea, because that will disturv their comitment to the Olympics. Van Persie is just a cloak for the real deal.

Moen#7

Oscar is a much better player then Lucas

A chelsea fan I take it ?

Yeah do one chelsea fan. You are not welcome on this site.

Different kind of player

Brendan

One is a playmaker the other is an attacking midfield player so its like comparing xavi to messi 2 great player great at what they bring to make a team work

Impossible to judge either based on brazilian league and olympic performance. EPL is very different game, judge afta season not b4. IMO both will be superb and if i was betting man will overshadow hazaed

They are two very different players, I would say they're pretty similar in stages of progression. Oscar may be a little bit more ahead.

Sanshine

Moura's agent has said the deal is dead, united wont up there bid so moura is not coming to us, it's on sky sports clockwatch, confirmed, missed out on another top player, we are a joke of a club when it comes to transfer dealings.

Deal is off according to his agent

Hold on a minute is oscar the one who can turn out like ronaldo? NO

23 Jul 2012 15:41:02
lucas signed deal to be confirmed after the olympics 26 million with add on clauses

He's going to inter

Surely you wouldn't be the first to know this before other sources and networks...
Also why would it be confirmed after the Olympics? They would want this sorted asap so that it doesn't ditract the national team or be the only thing that they talk to them about during conferances??

melwing28

This is a quote from his agent on Sky Sports:
"All the parties have to agree: the player, the buying club and the selling club.

"I guarantee 100 per cent that Lucas has not done a deal (with United). He is focused on the Olympics."

He hasn't signed altho he has admitted they are in talks

As it stands now, no one really knows where lucas will be going. i bet that even lucas himself doesn't know. he may have a small preference. united may have the advantage over inter as italian football is broke.

All agreed but confirmed after the olympics not to put lucas under the media spotlight anymore so he can focus on the olympics

The same Inter thats been offering Julio Cesar, Maicon & Sneijder all around Europe to get them off the wage bill and sold Forlan also to get him off the wage bill?

Inter pulled out due to the price.

Caolán.

Still, if anyone complains about the price, at least we didn't spend £35 million on Andy Carroll!

Philiphs93

Sky are claiming moura's agent says the deal is off and dress in the water as they want more than We are wiling to pay.

Monk

23 Jul 2012 12:50:09
Good news lads, Vidic has returned to full training!

But he might miss the first game of the season {Ed004's Note - Just read that and it is brilliant news}

Could be Rio and Jones at CB for the first game v Everton, but hopefully both Evans and Vidic will be ready soon after

Gav {Ed004's Note - I could see Jones being played in midfield to compete with Fellaini if he is still there}

It was told over a week ago that Vidic will be ready for the opening game. He has stayed behind to further his fitness rather than going on tour.

melwing28

Ed 004 who would you use next to Rio if we've got Jones in midfield and Smalling, Evans and Vidic injured?

Red Joe {Ed004's Note - Damn forgot about that. Only back from holiday and had no internet so am trying to catch up on everything. I just found out after reading this that Fergie has said he needs to address left back which is brilliant news. But if Vidic or Evans aren't fit would have to go with Jones at CB}

That was my point Red Joe/Ed004 - those 2 may be our only fit CB's

melwing, there is no guarantee Vidic will be ready to play 90mins in our first competetive game, unfortunately. SAF will not rush him back

Gav

Gav what about wooton, been impressive with rio on the tour!

Caolán.

Vidic and Evans should be fit to partner Rio for when the season starts. Then there's beast and then Carrick and Wootton in emergency.

Sydney!

23 Jul 2012 11:51:55
Just been thinking about Oscar going to Chelsea and Lucas coming to us.

The feeling with Oscar is that he is deffinately going to Chelsea and that he is trying to take pressure off himself during the Olympics and that he has an agreement with Chelsea not to say that they have bought him.

'I know there is speculation that we are interested in this player, but if in due course there is anything to anounce we will hear' (he means you will hear)
-Di Matteo

Now Sir Alex Ferguson is in the same situation and has come out with a very simular reply in regards to Moura.

'We haven't reached an agreement for the player. We've shown an interest but until such time we get a deal agreed we can't say he's our player'

But most importantly for me is Moura admitting to Rafael that he is excited about the prospect of moving to Old Trafford, it would seem his head has been swayed away from Italy.

To some up I think Oscar and Moura have already agreed terms with Chelsea and Man Utd respectively and both signings will be announced straight after the olympics have finished.

Red Joe

If u read moura's player profile the ed who made the profile an updated it the other day say he expects moura to go to Madrid over Manchester

Dio

He can't go to Madrid considering they want Modric.
Caolán.

It looked like a deal tht would involve kaka going in an exchange

Dio

Well that's eds opinion... I disagree.

Red Joe

Thts your opinion and u are more then entitled to it but what evidence have u got to back it up with ? , the ed got a bit do I would like to ear yours ?

Dio

I think even the eds can't have all the answers if they did this wouldn't be a rumour site it would be a fact site wit actual people in the know this is not to say the eds are wrong it's just to say they cannot know everything regarding every transfer and to simple take there word for it is reckless ...... No offence to any of the eds .... Love your work {Ed004's Note - None taken lol.}

Moura will be an excellent signing for u lot, as will Oscar to us. Dunno who I would prefer both as good at different things. BLUEBOY1

The PL really is the league to be in right now, it's becoming more and more popular each month. In the Spanish league you have two powerhouses where the order is pretty easy to guess each season. In Italian football, it's less predictable but less superstars with special talent, slower football usually more defensive and then there is the match fixing. PL has loads of competitive teams, very hard to guess the order, seems to be more and more exciting young prospects in a range of teams. Not to mention the style is very aggressive and fast paced which is exciting.

What i'm getting at is its not surprising to see both young Brazilian prospects on their way, probably more to follow.

Ozwald

Dio

I've read the player-profile that ed022 has written and it's good. Bare with me with this, I know very little about Madrid apart from their negotiation style. They like to let everyone know when they want a player, they are very open with it and it's a good tactic as everyone seems to want to play there, and a lot of clubs will not even bother bidding if they know Real are interested.

Man Utd have to be very secretive, because of Real and Barca, we also have the disadvantage of being situated in Manchester, I love Manchester I lived their for most of my child hood but I am not deluded so I know it can't compete with the heat and luxury of Real, Barca or Milan.

So I can see why ed022 wrote 'they (man utd) would then have to prove to Moura that England was the place for him, and I honestly don't think Moura would be that interested' my argument against this is the claims from Sky (for me a reliable source) that Moura has Spoken to Rafael and that he is 'excited about the prospect of moving to Old Trafford'.

So obviously the location is not a problem to the player and the player is willing.

Kaka, from many reports that i've read is keen to stay in Europe, with Milan his prefered choice. So for me it is unlikely he will go back to brazil in exchange.

Madrid is also trying to reduce their wage bill and do not have the money that they have so frivolously spent in the past few seasons, so a swap deal is the only real option...but like i said I don't see it happening.

I think that is a pretty solid argument against Ed022's answer. But every one is working on educated guesses at this point. Even the eds I think, (it's great work you're doing by the way eds, no offence intended) I've already stated why I feel a deal has been done in my original post and backed it up with quotes, which is all I can do, I never said it was fact. It's a theory.

No-one knows what's going on when it comes to Man Utd apart from SAF, Gill and the other parties involved.

At least i'm not pretending to know someone's uncle's 2nd cousin who is an apparent 'reliable source'. I have come to my conclusion through video interviews with SAF and Di Matteo and other reliable media like the BBC, Sky and MU website...

To some up, I'm going with my gut that there's something a bit funny going on with the Brazil team in regards to keeping pressure off their players during the tournament and I'm making an educated guess....we'll see if i'm right after the tournament.

Red Joe

23 Jul 2012 10:33:50
Quick one Ed is Samba still at Blackburn good player for me to cover for our cb injuries. One more the Lucas Moura news this morning any concrete developments other than just paper headlines. Still think fergie will introduce a lot of the guys from the academy this season. Moura will be our only signing. Arsene will never sale to us and we can't afford his wages. Now dembele news as well this morning. {Ed002's Note - Samba moved to Anzhi Makhachkala during the winter window.. I have no interest in discussing Moura today at all. Sorry.}

Ed002 - isn't discussing one of the biggest transfer/rumour what this site is for?
No interest in discussing Moura- a lot of united fans do , getting sick of continual Moura talk? Stop being and ed then. {Ed002's Note - The problem is the mass of misinformation that the gullible Manchester United fans are believing and regurgitating and the quoting of wildly inaccurate nonsense about the financial aspects of the "deal". I have zero interest in putting people right in respect of this because they won't listen "now that the deal is done". Certainly I have no interest in simply shooting the breeze with a vegetable like you over this stuff.}

In other words ed2.you just don t know and are trying to bluff your way out of answering a question. {Ed002's Note - I did say earlier that the deal had not been done, but fine you get what you want and I will say no more on the matter at all.

Take it easy noname - if you use the search funtion you'll see that Ed002 has said plenty about Moura and our other 'targets'. What's the point in him repeating this over and over just to have people like you say he's wrong?

Gav

To be fair, I'm not sure you need an editor of a website to confirm what the Lucas Moura situation is: The boss summed it up in his press conference surely? We are after him, but yet to agree a fee... end of