Manchester United Rumours Archive June 23 2012

23 Jun 2012 17:58:35
Some weeks ago,gaitan was strongly linked with us.Even manutd.com(official website) were reporting that we had signed him with fabio going on loan to benifica(as a part of the deal). Rafael also in his interview said he was sad that fabio was going to benfica and he is gonna miss him.But now the website has not even a pinch of news of Gaitan..Man!its rly confusing...
ed! whats going on with gaitan case?

Aakroz

Official website YES... but the gossip section. it prints all transfer RUMOURS..... that we are linked with...

Those were in the gossip/ what the papers say section. I think we can do better personally, Rodriguez would be fantastic.

Red Joe

United were going to offer money plus Fabio on loan for Gaitan but Fabio doesn't want to go to Benfica. Instead Fabio is to go out on loan to QPR next season. Instead Fergie is looking at James Rodriguez of FC Porto but this will only happen if Nani decides not to sign a new contract with us.

Simple, we are not interested. When the papers found nothing concrete on our interest they just stopped because people got bored with the story.
Mick

You probably read this on manutd.com's transfer speculation which is not the clubs official opinion but what the papers say so that is just rumours.......

23 Jun 2012 16:35:51
Marca are reporting Modric has agreed terms with Real Madrid :(

Red Spark

Marca claim Madrid have deals with everyone I wouldn't take too much notice yet

Marca writes far too much drivvel, they are mostly wrong.

RedDevil19

Marca is a tabloid..its like a report from the Daily Mail or the Mirror

Good let's move on R.M.will have to sell some top players soon so we will see who they are but like City they cannot sign everyone
ARB

Please god, let this be true.

Marca is media... no different to the papers we have. Do you believe everything you see in the papers?

Half of our signings are never in the media until after they have already signed with us.

23 Jun 2012 13:43:58
if we sell nani why not go for oezil? and play kagawa on the left on side and the get a left back?


_______de gea________
rafa__ferdy_vidic__willem
____carrick_scholes____
valencia__oezil__kagawa
________rooney_______

i know people would like to see a defencive mid or box to box player being bought but with fletcher possibly returning and having cleverley, anderson, giggs and both scholes and carrick i just don't see it happening.

ed how much do you think real would sell oezil for and would they listen to offers for him?


JK92 {Ed007's Note - Oezil is not available as such but a bid of 25 million Euros could tempt Madrid to sell.}

Rose tinted editing there Bond? ;)

DodgyBanter

25 million euros? seems a little cheap ed, i heard a few times he was unhappy at madrid, any truth to these rumours?

JK92 {Ed007's Note - I have no idea mate, if you use the search function I am sure Ed002 has explained the Madrid situation. I don't want to pass off her information as my own.}

Or keep Nani....

use anderson and some money for Rod and splash out 40-50m on ozil & M'vila and have this line up


__________ DDG ________________

Rafael____Vidic____Smalling____Evra

__________ M'Vila ___________

____ Ozil _________ Kagawa

Nani_______ Rooney________Rodriguez



I know that your be thinking that is a load of money but..the outlay on rod,kagawa and powell could be replaced with out goings and wages saved .. meaning a spend the same as last year 40-50m on ozil & M'vila and a fantastic looking team... now... and if we can keep pogba a great looking team in a couple of years too.





res /youth

Lind
Fabio
Jones
Evans
Blackett

Tunnicliffe
Cleverly
Petrucci
Powell
Pogba

Valencia
Young

Wellbeck
Hernandez

also the keane brothers and current youth team.... there are 4 or 5 quality players in there too that

oxred

Ed- do you really believe that real madrid would sell ozil for 25 million euros? that seems very cheap considering what a quality player he is? {Ed007's Note - If I didn't believe it I wouldn't have said it would I?}

ED i just dont get when you or someone else says a bid of around 25 million would tempt madrid into selling Oezil.

Say if they do sell him for 25 and then spend 25-30 on say Silva or someone else would they perform better than oezil ?

Oezil is one of their top players so i cant find a reason for Madrid to sell him.

MUMBAI_BOY {Ed007's Note - The abundance of MFs and the financial situation at Madrid seems to be playing a part.}

I'd happily pay 40m!

Anon

To be honest I think ozil is one of the best players in the world. Showing that for Germany. No way real would let him leave.mwe had our chance two years ago

Literally can't understand anyone thinking Ozil would leave RM for any money this summer.. He only last season got the number 10 shirt off Lassana Diarra. Ronaldo openly said it's thanks to the German that allows him to score so many goals.. Just wont happen!

Ozwald

Quote "{Ed007's Note - I have no idea mate, if you use the search function I am sure Ed002 has explained the Madrid situation. I don't want to pass off her information as my own.}"

Risk of tongue pie if you did heh Ed? lol

Pardoe {Ed007's Note - You guys get it easy from her, imagine the grief I get when I leave the toilet seat up!!!}

Mezut Ozil looks like Peter Lorre's lovechild.

Ryan {Ed007's Note - Mart Feldman.....}

Ed007's Note - Mart Feldman.....

You Genius.

Ryan {Ed007's Note - Is it Mart or Marty? A bit before my time but I have seen him in films.}

It's Marty Ed. But who cares you nailed it! {Ed007's Note - Cheers.}

Get real Ozil would cost 40 million Euros and more. Modric will probably go for 30 million quid, which is just over 35 million Euros. On this scale and loads of teams creating an auction, he could well go for 40 million quid. He's 3 or 4 years younger than Modric and far better player, plus he can play in all 6 midfield/wing and striking positions. City, Chelsea, United, Bayern, Both Milans, Juventus and on and on would be interested. Gotze has played 10 minutes in the Euros and he'd go for well over 25m euros.
Mik

IS the answer because Kagawa is nothing like as effective playing from the left?

After Euro 2012, you could add 20 million euros to that price.

23 Jun 2012 11:46:34
New developments on the Modric front am afraid. Player had agreed a deal via his agent with united, but spurs valuation of the player is miles away from ours. With the interest of PSG and Madrid, spurs know they can get a bidding war. The player prefers to stay in the prem, but sadly we have pulled away from any deal due to the price demands.

Jenny

United pull out of deal for their number 1 target because they can't afford to compete with other clubs! I'm shocked.

Danny Pughnited

Why the hell would we want Modric...we have just signed kagawa....we need a big strong guy like Martinez. Modric looks like an obssession to me...surely we have move on?

So do you know if there is a back up to modric then? such a shame if true

They can only getting a bidding war if modric says he does not mind where he goes...

if he spells it out to them that he only wants to come to united then they will drop the asking price or not sell at all...

last week you suggested that M'Vila & Cabaye were the back up plan Jenny...

do you know if this is still true?

oxred

Kagawa is a totally different kind of player to Modric. Kagawa can play wide left, but his best position is in "the hole", a second striker. Modric is in the center of the park, in the teams engine room. To compare them is like comparing Scholes to Rooney, the only difference being that Rooney can play right up front. We need two midfielders, a robust ball winner and a creative midfielder. My preference would be Gotze and M'Vila, but we won't spend that much, plus Gotze doesn't want to come to the EPL. On the basis that we'll raise 20 million on Berbatov 6m, Anderson 8m, Norwood 1m, De Laet and James already gone for 2m, and 2-3m on Machada and 25 -30m from the Glazers that totals 45 - 50m. We've paid 15 million down on Kagawa and Powell, which leaves 30 - 35m to spend. Tiote 15m, Dembale 12m and Willems if we can stretch the money enough. Or maybe Strootman and Willems 25m. Personally I'd sell Park for 2m, Young for 25m and Hernandez for 10m add it to the kitty to make it more like 70m and buy Modric for 32m, or Cabaye 25m M'Vila 17m, Cissoko 8m De Jong 13m and we would be in business. However Young will probably stay and be average in most games and have 3 or 4 very good games. Hernandez will stay, God knows why? He's the striker version of Djemba-Djemba. We'll finish up with Kagawa, Powell, a 15m midfielder and a cheapish 8 - 10m left back. Lets hope Petrucci comes of age
Mik

MODRIC AND KAGAWA DO NOT PLAY IN THE SAME POSITION!!!! How many times!

Red Joe

Thanks Jenny.
As soon as interest arose from PSG and R.Madrid this was always going to be the most likely outcome. It may not be completely over yet but I won't be holding my breath.

M.D.

Why do people keep insisting on having a ball winner?..keep the ball with Quality passing midfielders and you have no need to win it back! Xavi, Iniesta and Fabrigas aren't ball winners, but do ok playing together!

Steve the red

Mik i have an idea lets get rid of our youth policy and we can save money like that then go out and buy players every season, just like City or Chelsea then we can stop having a pop at them coz were just the same, or we can buy some proven players and bring our own kids through, I know which i prefer and iit doesn`t involve buying 5-6 players every season

Samster1

Sell Young and Henandez??....get yourself back to the bin dippers forum you fool!

I just wish Fifa 13 would hurry up and be released so some of these Clowns can get back to their games

Steve the red

Agree Mik and Red Joe how many times must this be said!

Gutted if this is true Jenny, we should have expected at least one or two other clubs to be interested and we should've had a good idea of how much Levy wanted from the start. So it seems a bit short sighted if we pull out now because of money. I just hope Modric decides he wants to stay in the PL and forces Spurs' hand a little

Gav

Steve the red.....

no one might like him but biscuits does that job behind them lets not forget.....

oxred

Agreed Oxred. I think Carrick does a good job in there for Us. We also have Jones and Fletch that can fit into that position. Personally I'm expecting a big season from Cleverly this year as he looked immense until he picked up his injury at Bolton!

Steve the red

Steve - you are right, those 3 are not ball winners, but Mascherano and Busquets are and (the latter at least) re equally as important to how Barcelona play, allowing the more creative players to do their thing

Jaxer

I agree with steve the reds first comment. they are exceptional ball players and do they not all seem to win the ball back easily by working hard and closing the ball down as a team? without having a big physical presence...

Modric's agent is advising him to seriously consider madrids offer. Player really wanted united but spurs are refusing to budge. Player was promised he could leave club for any team in chapions league if they failed to qualify. Spurs now saying they wont sell him to english side for less than 35mill. I dont expect madrid to pay that fee though more like 30mill
Jenny

Don't get the obsession with M'Vila and Willems. Yann MVila has repeatedly said he only wants to move to Arsenal. Willems did nothing at the Euros, he needs more seasoning and is a hype creation. Not good enough for United, not yet at least.

If modric wants to come to us then use the money we apparently had to sign hazard and get this deal done !! i personally think modric wants to go to spain thats why its all gone quiet

sparkyred

23 Jun 2012 10:52:02
I am seeing a lot of posts on here about pogba already being gone but have never heard anything confirming it. Does anyone know this for sure or could the issues in italy mean that he changes his mind and resign for united (or even anyone else). As for his quality it is obvious for those to see although he still will develop as at the moment he sometimes tries the hollywood ball. Does anyone know if we have signed the young striker from chile too? Roll on the 1st july I would not be surprised to see any more transfers done early in the window. Bookedredmole

It's already well known his going so can people get over it already he wants the money

Is it well known or just assumed?

Don't get me wrong I assume he's going but haven't seen any confirmation of this, personally. Correct me if I'm wrong noname. Also - if it were a done deal why would neither club or player announce it?

I will be hoping he stays until I hear confirmation as to otherwise, sorry to disappoint

Gav

Agree with Gav, Let's just wait and see.

Kai

I am a big fan of Pogba, I really hope he stays. That way we need not sign a player unproven in EPL for 10's of millions on massive wages for that position. Pogba clearly has the quality for the EPL and will only get better. But, by the sound of things, is being swayed by his agents (or his own) greed.

Patzi

Pogba, 18, was lured by a lucrative contract worth over 1 million (Dh4.8m) a season, while the player's agent Mino Raiola is understood to have agreed a 2m commission on the deal. United will receive Fifa-mandated "training compensation" totalling a few hundred thousand Euros.

23 Jun 2012 09:08:18
cant believe all this modric rumour mill stuff, with kagawa in the bag, and cleverley, young,toni,fletch, carrick, scholes, giggs, nani, and dare i say ando, where would he fit in, just cant see it myself, thik we need a left back to put i bit of pressure on pat,

We dont have that many central mids who can last a whole season..so yeah we need him..half of the players uve named dont play in the CM spot

He would fit right in our m/f half our m/f would not even lace his boots. RegTheRed

I dont think we have too many center midfields with respect. I do feel though, after 30 games with peterborough this season, Tunnicliffe has a huge chance of breaking through into the first team.

Fletcher will he ever be the same again carrick can go missing for months scholes wont play every week same with giggs cleverley and andersson need to get rid of the injury prone tag before they can considered first 11 on a regular basis
so a midfielder maybe even 2 sahin gago petrucci promoted and jones filling in could be vital

Erm Kagawa plays a different position, Nani and Young are wingers, Scholes and Giggs are coming to the end, and Anderson is very inconsistent and may well be sold. If Modric was bought he would start alongside Carrick.
SqueakyBum

What do you mean, "where will he fit in?" Our midfield is poor to other top sides so I can think of plenty of places!

So if kagawa got injured you would rely on carrick and Anderson would u? Have you not noticed that every big game we move cos out centre midfield lacks legs and creativity !

Because 7 of them 9 u just mentioned aren't good enough to play for city, Chelsea, barca, Madrid, bayern and Napoli so there not good enough to play for us, end of, watch abit more of us next year and you will realise

Big Stevvy

Yeah, would be difficult finding space for a world class player, our CM is full of them...

#ags

Firstly lets take out young, Nani and Toni because they don't play in his position.

Then Giggs and Scholes as their retiring next year.

Fletch as he may never return properly.

That leaves Ando, Cleverly and Carrick. You might say but why don't we buy a quality CM next year. How much pressure do you want this guy to be under?

Red Joe

I believe United will play 4-5-1 (With a more creative midfielder given freedom in the hole Kagawa or Young and maybe even someone like Modric) next season like many top european teams. With Fletcher a doubt and Scholes on his last legs, Anderson and Cleverly are talented but as of yet have not made a breack through mainly due to injury but it is only a matter of time before they are sold. Giggs,Park and Rooney had too play as makeshift midfielders last year, so at least 2 CM is a must no need for anyone else because no top quality lb's are avaliable who are better then Evra, Even though he has been bad, if you look at many left backs in England only Cole has been better then Evra taking both attack and defence into account.

23 Jun 2012 06:14:55
Quick question
have we been linked to sahin or are people putting him in their teams cuz they like him?
DJ {Ed002's Note - Sahin has had injury problems this year but rumours do persist about his long term future. If he were to leave I would very much suspect a move to Italy (possibly with AC Milan) or a return to Germany (with Bayern Munich) would come before any thoughts of a move to England. Malaga also spoke to Madrid about the possibility of a loan and Galatasaray would like to take him to Turkey.}

He was top player for 2 years at dortmund
playmaker who can pass tackle and score the odd goal definatley worth a shout kagawa would be able to tell everyone how good he is but with khedeira diarra alonso kaka was never gonna get a look in madrid may nave seen it as a way to make 10m euros when they sold him on much like they did with owen