24 Oct 2010 23:49:55
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We won't sign a winger as we have loads, and bale and modric are pipe dreams as they'd cost a fortune and spurs are on the rise and no longer need to sell to us unless its for a ridiculus amount of money which sir alex won't do. In january expect the return of cleverly and the signing of defour and maybe a goalkeeper and that'll be it or we'll be over the 25 man squad limit. In the summer we'll sign podolski and douglas costa and a goalkeeper if one hasn't been signed in january, also maurico isla is being looked at. Leaving will be hargreaves neville van der sar giggs and scholes all retiring brown owen park one of carrick or anderson and one of welbeck or diouf, the out lay won't be hugely more than the income.
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24 Oct 2010 22:31:34
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Goal.com sats that United's top 2 targets are bale and ribery. However i don't see how we need ribery, he adds pace and athleticism on the left side but i think nani can play very well there. And Bale would be an excellent signing as i think he has a huge impact on the pitch. It also says that United are still tracking Dzeko and Sneijder so it could be an interesting january/summer. I personally think we should get sneijder, afellay for a free, lahm or ramos, neuer, akinfeev or de gea, and i also think SAF should be scouting out Coutinho from Inter, Neymar from Santos, and Sergi Samper from Barca's youth academy, he looks like Fabregas 7 years ago, could be huge in a few years. Hope we do something so far this seasons league run has been pathetic.
MUFC Till I Die
24 Oct 2010 22:29:35
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We shouldn't look too much into the rumours of having all this money to spend, there's no way we're going to be signing 11 players between now and the summer.
My guess is we will spend, but not OTT and will look for quality replacements for the elder statesmen retiring at the end of the season.
JAN
IN
- Anders Lindergaard (£5million) - SAF will take a gamble on the cheaper option and put him into a few games at the tail-end of the season. If he doesn't look the part, we may spend big on a number one in the summer and sell Kusczak.
- Stevan Defour (£12million) - we'll finally get our man and the Belgian will be targeted as the replacement for Hargreaves as a box to box midfielder.
OUT
- Mame Biram Diouf (Blackburn, £4million) - I think Big Sam will pay the money to keep Mame permanently and there is no chance of him breaking the first team at OT.
SUMMER
OUT
Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Owen Hargreaves, Gary Neville, Edwin Van der Sar (all retired).
- Danny Welbeck (Sunderland, £5million)
- Michael Carrick (Aston Villa, £8million) OR Anderson (FC Porto, £10million)
- Michael Owen (Aston Villa, £5million).
IN
- Jordan Henderson (Sunderland, £10million).
- Javi Martinez (Atletic Bilbao, £18million).
- Alexis Sanchez (Udinese, £20million).
Possibly a keeper if Lindegaard doesn't pan out. What do you reckon Ed?
REDSKYATNIGHT
{Editor's note - I think Man.Utd will get more money for Diouf but the rest of it seems likely.}
24 Oct 2010 21:12:29
2. About bale, what is the obsession with having a left footed winger is beyond me. You say we will become one dimensional but i beg to differ. Barcelona in their champions league winning season did not have a left footed winger, but were one dimensional by no means and pedro was not even on the bench then. I actually think nani on the left cutting inside or going out and evra attacking with his left footed crosses is a much better pairing and offers more versatality in attack than having a left footed winger. And i DO believe we are more than good enough in midfield with nani and valencia on the wings. We are not building a fantasy team here where we have each and every type of player, only real madrid does that, and as you say always end up as a circus. I genuinely believe that valencia should play on the right and nani on the left. It gives us the surprise element of whether nani will cross or shoot, and also gives us more trickery and taking on defenders, while on the other end we have a completely different player in valencia who does well in defending too and puts in pinpoint crosses. Also evra does make up for a left footed presence on the wing.
umm barca did has a left footed winger a certain mr lionel messi
24 Oct 2010 19:07:37
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"He (Sneijder) was average at real madrid. And our midfielders had done a much better job in the previous season than he had done at real madrid. I hope you at least agree on this one.
Answer - No I don't agree. I watched Sneijder and thought he was a very good player and couldnt believe they sold him.
"As for carrick being found out, it was more of the whole team just being in shock after the goal went in We missed a proper defensive midfielder dearly in that game.
Answer- I felt Carrick was found out in that game and hasnt been a regular since. If our team fell to bits when a goal went in that is very poor team spirit.
2. About bale, what is the obsession with having a left footed winger is beyond me. You say we will become one dimensional but i beg to differ. Barcelona in their champions league winning season did not have a left footed winger, but were one dimensional by no means and pedro was not even on the bench then. I actually think nani on the left cutting inside or going out and evra attacking with his left footed crosses is a much better pairing and offers more versatality in attack than having a left footed winger. And i DO believe we are more than good enough in midfield with nani and valencia on the wings. We are not building a fantasy team here where we have each and every type of player, only real madrid does that, and as you say always end up as a circus. I genuinely believe that valencia should play on the right and nani on the left. It gives us the surprise element of whether nani will cross or shoot, and also gives us more trickery and taking on defenders, while on the other end we have a completely different player in valencia who does well in defending too and puts in pinpoint crosses. Also evra does make up for a left footed presence on the wing.
Answer- If Valencia and Nani are our two wide players then I don't believe we will win the league or get to another European cup final for some time. Having seen Nani trying to cross from the left today he struggled. Fantasy teams don't always work but if we don't have quality then start enjoying having to scrape into the top 4.
3. Saying we need to start becoming aggressively ambitious in times when UEFA is introducing financial fairplay regulations, real madrid always ending up like a circus no matter how many players they buy each year being aggressive in the market just doesn't fit in for me. We need to buy sensibly and patiently not aggressively or we may again end up with a berbatov(who hasn't been too bad but not great either) and hargreaves(one of my favourites at united but sadly injured).
Answer- Berbatov is not good enough, when was his last goal? What I mean by agressively ambitious is that we need to buy several top players. If we sit on our cheque book again then we will start sliding down the league. I don't suggest a new team or that we don't develop our kids but the kids need to be good enough and we have bought too many "take a chance" £6 to £10M players. If we want to win the league or even have a fear factor then we need at least 2 quality players. We cannot go on the pitch where the only player the opposition fear is Rooney.
We ended up with Berbatov because Fergie made a mistake , then he compounded it by still persisting with the flop even pushing Rooney's nose out of joint to do it. He kept the flop and hacked off Tevez. Our problem with money has been compounded by Fergie's response to the Berbaflop error.
If we get a couple of top level kids out of the crop then great but we need to buy some quality as well otherwise top four could become difficult and Rooney really will be off somewhere else .
Red Man
24 Oct 2010 17:55:20
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Fergie 2011-2012 season
1neaur 2rafeal 3evra 4hargreaves 5ferdiand 6rodwell
7nani 8defour 9lorente 10rooney 11affrelly 12kuzack
13j.evans 14hernandes 15vidic 16holtby 17valencia
18gibson 19norwood 20pogba 21mechada 22oshea
23 24fletcher 25cleverley 26amos 27p.jones
28ganso 29bebe 30smalling
ins
neaur 10 million schalke
rodwell 18 million everton
defour 12 million standerd leige
lorente 15 million a.bilbao
affelly free psv
holtby 8 million schalke
ganso 13 million s.moscow
outs
berbatov 19 million baryen munich
carrick10 million newcastle
anderson10 million baryen munich
brown5 million newcastle
giggs retired
scholes retired
neville retired
van der sar retired
24 Oct 2010 17:02:41
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Out
Gibson, Owen, Neville, Carrick, Hargreaves, VDS, Scholes, Giggs, Eikrem, and please get rid of Reece Brown!
@Why in gods name would you want to get rid of Eikrem & Reece Brown? And you are a fantasist if you seriously think United will sign them players that you have listed.
24 Oct 2010 16:23:26
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Ins and outs Summer 2011
Out
Gibson, Owen, Neville, Carrick, Hargreaves, VDS, Scholes, Giggs, Eikrem, and please get rid of Reece Brown!
Ins
Sneijder(a must), Defour(a must), Lahm or Ramos(RB a must) Lloris or Neuer or Akinfeev(defo one of these three)
Others
Schweinstiger, Huddlestone, Matthews, Mueller, Lukaku, Sanchez, Chellini and 2 i think we should get Etherington and Carroll.
Obviously these are not all going to happen But if all of the above leave for a combined £30m to add to our ever-increasing pot of gold that's lays untouched for ages we could have around £130m available. That would be enough to get 5-6 of these players and pump our first team right back up there with the strong ones of Chelsea and City. IMO.
Ill explain a few points before everyone and their dogs say something.
Etherington; Good solid prem player never tested above his level so could surprise plus a left sided player who has a quality cross/corner/free kick and can play in the middle.
Carroll; English and a Big Center Forward something we have not had to allow a change in tactics if we are chasing the game and need a presence in the box and get the challenges into oppo's CB's.
Not big signings but good players who I would play ahead of Owen or Gibson easily.
To add to these i would promote Pogba, Keane, De Laet and Norwood to 1st team as all looking good players.
The money situation, we have never spent the money in the windows on big players for 2 reasons 1. fergie is to tight and unless he gets a player for what he wants to pay then won't change his price and 2. the whole story of getting players tht have sell on value is basically sayin the owners want some sort of return on any deal which would never happen on big money signings.
I get the £130m number from the above 30, the 25m SAF gets every summer for a marquee signing next years this years and last(75m ;-)), the amount SAF has left over from Ronaldo money 20+m( after owners took 45m interest payment out of it)
Feel free to add your comments!
24 Oct 2010 15:43:32
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If fergie(and rooney) really have been promised funds for new signings 1. where suddenly has this money come from? no mention of them suddenly selling their failing malls in the us to raise the cash?
2.lets hope that fergie does actually buy some big decent players for a change! am sick of seeing new youngsters being snapped up-we must have more under 21's than anyone! most of them go on loan or are then moved on anyway- how can they prove themselves without playing regularly! all very well saying sneijder, dzeko bale etc etc -these players always want to ply their trade elsewhere first.didn't we look at bale when he was at southampton? why didn't we take a chance when he was £5 mill instead now of being £25 mill! i would buy 3 new big names and that's it- a goalkeeper- prob stekelenburg- a creative midfielder to feed the strikers etc modric and then a goalscorer-not a second striker-an out and out hitman like suarez or higuain(lets try pinching one of their players for a change! !)- not benzema- hes already turned us down and said hes already at the best club in the world (his view not mine!).
@First of all the money will come from the 165m liquid cash we have in our account. Second, we bid 5m for Bale when he left Southampton, Spurs equaled it and he chose to join them. Higuain is first choice for Madrid so how do you suppose we get him? Not that we need him anyway. Rooney, Hernandez, Valencia & Nani are good enough, what we need is a creative midfielder like you said, Modric would be a great coup i agree.
Lindegaard
Defour
Modric
would be the business.
24 Oct 2010 13:06:22
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If fergie(and rooney) really have been promised funds for new signings 1. where suddenly has this money come from? no mention of them suddenly selling their failing malls in the us to raise the cash?
2.lets hope that fergie does actually buy some big decent players for a change! am sick of seeing new youngsters being snapped up-we must have more under 21's than anyone! most of them go on loan or are then moved on anyway- how can they prove themselves without playing regularly! all very well saying sneijder, dzeko bale etc etc -these players always want to ply their trade elsewhere first.didn't we look at bale when he was at southampton? why didn't we take a chance when he was £5 mill instead now of being £25 mill! i would buy 3 new big names and that's it- a goalkeeper- prob stekelenburg- a creative midfielder to feed the strikers etc modric and then a goalscorer-not a second striker-an out and out hitman like suarez or higuain(lets try pinching one of their players for a change! !)- not benzema- hes already turned us down and said hes already at the best club in the world (his view not mine!).
24 Oct 2010 12:11:52
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"How do you know there was not one person out there talking about Sneijder when he left Madrid? I find it incredible you can make such a sweeping statement. Just because someone didn't post it on here does not mean they were not talking about it or suggesting it. In fact it was a discussion I did have with friends at the time, I wanted Fergie to buy him. He did not play badly for Madrid , I watched him a lot and thought it an amazing decision by Madrid to sell him, but one which just matched the madness of the circus they had there then. Anyway, if Fergie is such a good judge of potential it shouldnt have needed anyone to tell him, he should have recognised it or was it the wrong cow in the wrong field or whatever he was going on about. Sneijder or whoever else there has been no planning for replacing our midfield in recent years. We know that Carrick was shown up in the 2009 final against Barcelona , did Fergie not say at the time he knew exactly what the problem was. Many felt that was aimed at Carrick yet whether it was Sneijder or not, nothing happened.
As to Bale , tell me how many left footed players we have who are genuine first team standard once Giggs retires? I have said on here before that both Nani and Valencia should be on the right so are challenging for the same position. My thoughts are we need a left footed player to play on the left otherwise we are too predictable. Do you really believe we would be good enough in midfield with Nani and Valencia? I don't believe so.
Rooney may have been right about ambition , Nani and Valencia both decent players but I doubt both would be in any of our main challengers TOGETHER. One yes but not both.
If you want to see another European cup final then we need to start being agressively ambitious to match others. Fergie had the chance to sign Sneijder but didn't recognise the potential. He should have!
Red Man"
1. When i said there wasn't anyone "on here" talking about sneijder i meant nobody was crying out loud here to buy sneijder. He was average at real madrid. And our midfielders had done a much better job in the previous season than he had done at real madrid. I hope you at least agree on this one. As for carrick being found out, it was more of the whole team just being in shock after the goal went in. We missed a proper defensive midfielder dearly in that game. Saying fergie should have recognized the potential in sneijder now is easy but then i would not have wanted sneijder in the team.
2. About bale, what is the obsession with having a left footed winger is beyond me. You say we will become one dimensional but i beg to differ. Barcelona in their champions league winning season did not have a left footed winger, but were one dimensional by no means and pedro was not even on the bench then. I actually think nani on the left cutting inside or going out and evra attacking with his left footed crosses is a much better pairing and offers more versatality in attack than having a left footed winger. And i DO believe we are more than good enough in midfield with nani and valencia on the wings. We are not building a fantasy team here where we have each and every type of player, only real madrid does that, and as you say always end up as a circus. I genuinely believe that valencia should play on the right and nani on the left. It gives us the surprise element of whether nani will cross or shoot, and also gives us more trickery and taking on defenders, while on the other end we have a completely different player in valencia who does well in defending too and puts in pinpoint crosses. Also evra does make up for a left footed presence on the wing.
3. Saying we need to start becoming aggressively ambitious in times when UEFA is introducing financial fairplay regulations, real madrid always ending up like a circus no matter how many players they buy each year being aggressive in the market just doesn't fit in for me. We need to buy sensibly and patiently not aggressively or we may again end up with a berbatov(who hasn't been too bad but not great either) and hargreaves(one of my favourites at united but sadly injured).
24 Oct 2010 12:03:20
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As to Bale , tell me how many left footed players we have who are genuine first team standard once Giggs retires? I have said on here before that both Nani and Valencia should be on the right so are challenging for the same position. My thoughts are we need a left footed player to play on the left otherwise we are too predictable. Do you really believe we would be good enough in midfield with Nani and Valencia? I don't believe so.
Rooney may have been right about ambition , Nani and Valencia both decent players but I doubt both would be in any of our main challengers TOGETHER. One yes but not both.
If you want to see another European cup final then we need to start being agressively ambitious to match others. Fergie had the chance to sign Sneijder but didn't recognise the potential. He should have!
Red Man
@A different poster here Red, what you have got to understand is the Glazers accepted the 80m Ronaldo offer, not Fergie. Also how do you know he never asked questions about Sneijder and Sneijder refused to go to United? I can remember reading an article about Sneijder joining United back in June and i can remember it saying that he has snubbed United before, maybe it was then? Or maybe it was before then and Fergie thought h*ck you, you had your chance?
I have to admit i liked Sneijder but he is best friends with Robben & Robben snubbed United for Chelsea and they were both playing for Real at the time of the Ronaldo transfer so you do not know what really happened, Fergie may well have attempted to sign Sneijder?
24 Oct 2010 10:01:02
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It's really good to see a genuine belief from the fans, after this whole Rooney ordeal, that Manchester United are once again competing for the top players in Europe. Perhaps, we'll look back on this year, in the memory that this was a turning point in Man United's recent history. Rooney's actions, for better or worst, may help in propelling United on to better things.
Targets floating around the papers include: Sneijder, Defour, Bale, Ribery and the obvious keepers.
24 Oct 2010 03:28:48
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"Sorry but the no value in the market from Fergie is absolute nonsense. A few on here keep saying Sneijder for lots of £££. Fergie had Madrid by the balls when we sold Ronaldo and could have had Sneijder then for a lot less and 2 years younger. Fergie has had his hands tied behind his back by the Glazers and has also I believe lost confidence in the market after the Berbatov and Hargreaves problems. There has been value but it has been ignored. Just because Rooney has signed we must not suddenly believe the Glazers have always provided the funds and Fergie has been so clever in the market.
Redman"
Believe what you want but there was not even one person out here talking about sneijder when he left for Inter. That is because he was playing complete carp at madrid, which is a fact. He did not look a good buy at that time. The central midfield had looked good in the previous season and anderson, carrick, fletcher were all playing well with scholes and giggs in support. So now that sneijder has played its not correct to get on the back of SAF for not buying him. Many were gutted that we stopped bidding for benzema and he went to madrid. How many regret it now after his personal antics and his poor performances?
You said in another post we need bale, but why? We already we have 2 great wingers in valencia and nani where will he play and why pay a huge sum for something you already have?
24 Oct 2010 00:58:33
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I think all we need is a winger central midfielder and goal scorer
defour - certaintee
lidegaard - certaintee
schweinsteiger - berbatofffffff + 8 million - hopeful why not
affellay - hopeful on a free
apparently real madrid want evra so why not try and get kaka in a deal maybe evra plus 25 million
hopefully a top striker maybe proven scorer darren bent or maybe aguero or podolski don't know but im hoeing i think we will have around 50 - 80m depending on who fergie wants or can do a deal with then sales aswell maybe anderson going for around 15 mil carrick 10 mil or px carrick and 12 million for ashley young and then berbatoffffffffffffffffffff for around 15 mil or px to bayern for lahm or schweinsteiger or milan for pato then retirees scholes giggs neville vds hargraves i think rafa will step up for neville defour for hargreaves then hopefully affellay or maybe some one world class sneijder or kaka or modric for scholes then young or sanchez for giggs and lindegaard for vds
24 Oct 2010 00:42:58
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Its finally nice to see people getting more positive about transfer posibilities i would like to see;
strikers:
darren bent for 18 million + owen proven goal scorer for sunderland and would get more service at united great player
sergio aguero for maybe 20 million as his club is short of cash
luis suarez for 24 million fergie long time admirer
midfielders:
alexis sanchez for around 11 million
stefen defour for around 12 million
javi martinez for 10 million
jesus navas 19 million
jaun mata 17 million
kaka for evra + 25 million
schweinsteiger for berbatov and 10 million
defenders:
gary cahill for 12 million
phil jagielka for 14 million + wes brown
philip lahm for 22 million
giorgio chiellini for 12 million
gamberini for 8 million
goalkeepers:
lindegaard for 4 million
akinfeez free jan
de gea for 11 million
sergio asenjo for 10 million
sebastien frey for 9 million
obviously there just guesses and it only depends on what funds are available but would like to see
sanchez bent defour jagielka asenjo
24 Oct 2010 00:37:19
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Manchester United are eying up two left wingers, apparently the Glazers have sanctioned a 25m move for Gareth Bale, i will believe it when i see it although its in a few different papers. If United miss out on Bale then they are planning a raid on Aston Villa for Ashley Young, Young has great potential at the ripe old age of 25 but can you teach an old dog new tricks?
He is valued at around 16-18m so he may be worth a gamble. Other targets are Defour & Lindegaard.
Another rumour i am hearing which is none of our business is that Pepe Reina is trying to engineer a move to Arsenal, this is why Arsenal never bought a keeper in the summer. This is also why Cesc is happy to Stay at Arsenal. But like i said that is none of our business.
Mike18