Manchester United Rumours Archive October 26 2012
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26 Oct 2012 20:32:32
Ed, would Real Madrid be prepared to sell Fabio Coentrao? Don't think he's played much, unless he's injured?
G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - Wasn't he banned for something stupid like abusing the ref after a match??? Quality player though GAGUS.}
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That's right Ed, but it was only 4 matches. He has'nt even been on the bench even though Marcelo got injured. Essien plays left back right now.
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Maybe. Don't think he was playing much anyway. Would love to see him at United.
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He got injured while on international duty with portugal
there is no way madrid will sell him to us .
remember last year we had an eye on him and he preferred madrid over us
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I think they paid 30 million Euros for him. Great left back and no way they would sell.
The young french guy who we are supposedly tracking who plays for Lille sounds interesting.
Shahram
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He is quality but dont think real would sell they have marcelo but use him more for the big games a cheeky bid for santon maybe more realistic hes good going forward and strong at the back has big game expirence from inter and is used to english football and think he would be great at man any thoughts
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26 Oct 2012 18:22:05
Here's something I would like you all to do on Sunday when watching the game. If the Rooney plays in midfield watch how many times he looses possession. In the first 10 minutes against Cluj he lost possession 5 times then ask yourself would Iniesta or Xavi do that in whole match no matter who they were playing against. I know the English media want him to be some kind of world star. But seriously who amongst you can say that he wasn't at his best when he was 19 and he would just burst past players. Has he improved I don't think so. My big worry is that he is playing in the position which Kagawa plays so well and in my opinion would be more effective. This is not some big downer on Rooney Its just I get fed up of the English media hyping him up into something he is not. I am sure that one of you will tell me a major tournament where he has stood out and dominated games. I believe he is a very good footballer but world class never. On a brighter note I have been so impressed with RVP every touch just screams class and I like the fact he can look after himself and has a bit of a nasty side to him. I AM KLOOT
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Rooney hasn't impressed in tournament football since 2004.
And Kagawa should be playing in that position. I just think we're trying to get all 3 in the team and its not helping matters.
I also don't buy all this "Rooney would be so great in midfield" BS that keeps getting trotted out.
Rooney as a midfielder is one of the greatest delusions going.
Keep him up top with RvP, Kagawa behind and a BUY a proper midifelder or preferably 2.
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I agree Kloot, Kagawa should b in that role with Rooney and RVP up top. That would b deadly
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You Lot obviously don't know nothing about Rooney, he had a couple of bad games! When played in mf he gives 110%. His work rate is so impressive! He is a world class striker but also a world clad creater! An would walk into any team in mf!
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Nah hasnt improved since a 19 year old , 38 goals last season yeah he hasnt improved has he you couldnt make it up ,who said he was world class , but kloot tell me when messi stood out in a major tournament,may be its because both their national teams are crap
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110% isn't enough if you keep giving the ball away. Rooney is NOT a midfielder. He hasn't got a good enough touch, close control or quick enough feet for the position. To say he would walk into ANY midfield is, quite frankly, naive and rose tinted. RFT is right in saying that Rooney was at his best when he was younger, bursting past players and playing off the cuff.
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Ask any other professional player or coach and they will say that Rooney becoming a midfield playmaker is long overdue.
Dan {Ed007's Note - Well I just asked Chic Charnley and he doesn't think so, sorry Dan.}
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I'm with KLOOTY, Rooney is a good player but he's been built up to be some kind or world star. Play him up front where he will score goals - he might get away with being in midfield against weaker teams but he will get found out against decent opposition.
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Rooney is world class, if you can't see that then you don't watch united week in week out! He always gives 110% and can anyone say that when he comes off the pitch he isnt red in the face and sweating like a b***h! Future united captain and future england captain. If you don't think that now then you probably never will.he was single handily carrying our front line for the last few years ask yourself without him would we have been in the cl every year?
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Ha ok Ed maybe the "any other" was a bit far but after listening to what other players think then they al think he would be a better CM than striker given a little time. Rooneys attributes are more suited to midfield IMO, it's only because of his excellent finishing as well that means he is a great striker.
Dan
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Rft Rooney is a far more important player to us than rvp will ever be, he is a utd legend and only a fool would doubt his quality.
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Effort does not make him world class. He does not have the ball retention to play midfielder, especially in big games.
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First thing Rooney needs to do is get fit.......for a professional, he is carrying at least a stone too much weight.........he hasn't lived up to the hype IMO. Not in the same league as law best Charlton......I think fergie could let go for the right money........for too long now the midfield hasn't functioned.....carrick is nothing short of awful......remember the days when our midfield would steamrole teams at home and abroad.....we lack pace, power, guile and movement
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Rooney is world class and always will be he is a man made of granit a true british bull dog unlike the people picking faults with his game everybody that has ever played with or against him says it and they say he can play anywere and then look at his record it speaks for its self i do think he is his own worst enemy and with out doubt if he had played his off the field affairs better he would be an even better player but such is life not everyboby can be a goodie goodie two shoes but i beleave the best is yet to come start beleaving
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Chick charnley. Absolute legend.
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He is definitely world class. Others top players most importantly Messi, said he's a major threat when we faced them in the CL. Carlo Ancelotti, when he was at Chelsea even said he'd have Wayne Rooney over Messi. Also consider the wage he's paid, it's that figure for a reason. I think the people that think he's not all what he's made up to be have got to actually accept the fact that his playing style has changed as he's got older witch is common for a lot of players. He's become more of a playmaker whereas he used to be just a centre forward, much more willing to run on/off the ball rather than string some nice passes together.
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You can only be/look world class with the players around you. 2 seasons in a row and he has played with players who are not WORLD CLASS. He has carried the team around on his shoulders. Where would we have finished without Rooney in the past 2 seasons? ANYONE please... I agree with you KLOOT on one thing. He is better as a striker. But to say he hasnt been world class is inaccurate. If he made a team compete against teams with world class players, he bloody well has to be special. We simply can't do without him. I think the period when Rooney was injured is enough evidence of how we dont click without him. The Spurs game? You bet, he came on and changed it. He is not a flair player and cant be one. But he makes up for it with his 150% commited performances. RVP is class and so is Kagawa, but how did they fare when Rooney was out? Please answer this ....
Deeps...
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Chelsea fan here lads, good luck on Sunday lads I feel like you might need it but this original poster clown, Rooney is possibly in the top 10 greatest players that have ever lived period. His vision alone is second to none, his strength and pace make him a nightmare for defenders. If you want the real reason why Rooney has not been seen to have improved?watch the amount of players marking him, for any player no matter how talented sometimes too much is just too much, eg messi v Chelsea last season! Dropping Rooney into midfield gives him more space and time not only to play killer balls which he's always done but more time to plot his runs. In a nutshell Rooney had never been an individual but a collective player he controls his whole teams play and he can do that best from midfield
Danny oh I predict 1-0 to Chelsea
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" .....we lack pace, power, guile and movement" - neatly sums up our midfield for the last four or five seasons.
Mike B.
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I am with Kloot on this and Rooney is no midfielder. I think the fact that he comes back a lot in to middle of the pitch to pick up the ball makes you guys think he can play there. The truth is he has not been a centre forward by its true definition for a number of years now and does not like playing there and is not very effective and hence he likes to play behind the main striker to have the freedom to roam.
When was the last time you saw him play very high up the pitch, turn a defender and go past him. I honestly can't remember.
If you believe the biggest club in the world deserves a world class midfielder/s in the moulds of Iniesta,Xavi, then he definitely is not good enough and better in the hole between midfield and centre forwards. Unfortunately that means Kagawa has to play out of position.
Matta style player is what we need to run our midfield plus another player but physically more imposing. i.e Scholes/Keane at their best.
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Kinda agree with kloot , but for me he is inconsistent always have been he have 5 good games then 3 bad ones
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Scholes was a number 10 and came back as one of the best deep lying mids around. Rooney will do the same and will prove you all wrong this year. ffs he missed a lot of games and is only just getting back into his rythm. In a couple of months I bet you will all be praising him in this new role.
Dan
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Please leave Rooney alone. I enjoy watching him play and it is unfair to make comparisons to xavi and iniesta. Rooney is world class. Ask yourself this if we were down to 10 having used all our subs and someone had to fill in at CB or RB who wwould you rather? having played football have you any idea how good you have to be to be able to adapt like Rooney stueydoes on a weekly basis? cherish him.
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Who said we are picking on him. The discussion is about him being a midfielder and no he is not and someone here even went as far as saying he is two footed, which is again absolute bs unless you think having a crooked left foot makes him two footed.
He is not a Midfielder and if you think he can be effective against guys like dembele etc etc you are being biased.
Shahram
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What being biased like the chelsea fan on here?
Rooney hasnt hit top form yet this season, hes given too many sloppy balls away but he is a top quality player, im certain he will do well deeper in the midfield, players of his calibre can adapt
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26 Oct 2012 16:25:36
Victor wayanma..will cost 25 million to Man utd - celtic boss
Is he deserve so much amount ?
Ed/syd)
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I don't think he wud cost that much, jus Lennon playing hard ball. I think £15 million at a maximum n that's pushing it
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He said that was his personal valuation, because he thinks the players that good... Porto valued Hulk at 80 million before they sold him for close to 40 million, it will cost around £10 million to get Wanyama's services at Utd
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I mite be wrong but hasn't he rejected a new contract at Celtic ? {Ed007's Note - His contract runs until summer 2015.}
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Was going to say what RedKnight said, Lennon said after his valuation something like "I dont know if thats realistic, it's just my valuation of him" which pretty much means he knows its an unrealistic figure haha. He'd go for anywhere between £10-17m i reckon.
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Lenon said that contract negotiations are not going well.
Mick
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Wanyama looks a 25 million pound midfielder on current form we wont get him cheap everybody will be in for him if he doesnt sign a new contract his goals this season have been world class the one against dundee was jaw dropping and he can be compared in terms of ability to yaya and at 21 will only get better i think he would offer us something new from midfield i beg i prey we sign him what ever the cost
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Bought for £1M. He is worth (and will be sold for) 10 times that. But no, not £25M.
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26 Oct 2012 15:28:05
Apparently Arsenal's new sponsors next season are Adidas (All day I dream about silverware) perfect sponsor If you ask me!
Red MUFC
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I heard Adidas beat off stiff competition from Puma (Players Usually Move Away).
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HAHA that's brilliant!
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26 Oct 2012 10:50:21
Interesting news for next summer!
Giggs is retiring and moving into the back room staff (quite possibly as sir Alex s new assistant), rio is going as sir alex thinks he's almost done. Coming in are jagielka and possibly huth, wouldn't be the worst moves ever. And my sources tell me sir alex wants tiote from Newcastle but if he can't persuade him them wanyama from Celtic will come (I know Scottish football isn't great but trust me, this guy is some talent and is worth going for over tiote in my opinion).
Looks like sir alex is addressing the obvious problems in our squad at last. Good times ahead hopefully.
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Doubt it.
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I hope it is not true, how does gigs qualify as a tactician for the team and where are his credentials and track record.
Tiote is just a bruiser and why on earth do we want him and red card waiting to happen.
Wanyama I have never seen play as I would rather watch the championship games over scottish football and disrespect intended so if he is as good as many think then great.
I guess when it comes to which defenders we buy it is always a question of money. But I sense we will spend a bog number on a guy who can be the cornerstone for the team for many years like we did on rio many years ago. I am more inclined to think we will get hummels, Benatia or even another try for varrane.
Shahram
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I meant no disrespect intended to scottish league
Shahram
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Wanayama would be a good buy for 8 - 12m, but the center backs mentioned won't come, especially not Huth who is slower than an oil tanker when turning.
As for Giggs being number 2 to SAF that's plain rubbish. He's more likely to get his training qualifications and start as youth coach like Scholey did.
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Jagielka? Huth? Don't think so. The only thing i partially enjoyed about this made up post was the bit about Wanyama, I hope we get him as he does look like a young Yaya Toure. Watch a video on youtube thats focused on his own game vs Inter Milan, you can see he has the brain for it and definitely the build.
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I will wade through this post and pull out the one smidge of reality
we're interested in wanyama.
the rest......drivvel
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I like Wanyama but I hate signing African players because they go missing for a month with the African Cup Of Nations.
Dan {Ed002's Note - Wanyama won't be going to the ACON.}
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That's great news Ed. Did Kenya not qualify? {Ed002's Note - No.}
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Still, thinking for the future then if he misses a month it will not be good for the team!
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Interesting comment and was believing some of it until you mentioned Huth as a possible buy..hes rubbish!!!
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26 Oct 2012 19:11:04
Ed probably been asked already sorry if so, but how much interest is there from United in Wanyama? Could that be any reason as to why he's rejected his latest contract offer from Celtic considering he said he was happy there not too long ago. Cheers.
For anyone who wants to know how Wanyama plays his football
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2KJWzV8T5Q
Ozwald {Ed001's Note - there is a very real interest in both Watt and Wanyama of Celtic. It is hard to say whether that has any bearing on him rejecting a contract offer or not. It is very likely he is just waiting to run down his contract a bit and assess his options then.}
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Seems to me that if Lennon has made a statement that he's worth £25m then it's somewhat self defeating while they are in contract negotiations. He's just given the player the power to demand the salary of a £25m player.
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Few thoughts for left wing that people might not of thought of matias fernandez this chillien is pacey and can realy cross and his penalties are some of best i ever seen and natural left footer to and does use his right pretty well not majaor star so no major price tag gorgio wijnaldun this dutch youngster reminds me of clarence seedorf and plays all through the midle of the park good set pieces and age isnt a problem as fergie will look for younger players in jan
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26 Oct 2012 10:25:48
Any one seen the French young defender Lucas Digne. The press are reporting we are scouting him as replacement for Evra. Eds any truth to this and is he any good.
I never watch the french league so no idea who he is
Shahram {Ed002's Note - Lille's Lucas Digne has attracted the attention of Lyon, Chelsea, Manchester United and Real Madrid. He would not want to move to sit on the bench.}
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Ed002 is he good enough to start for us
Shahram {Ed002's Note - "Good enough" is subjective of course, but given the clubs who are interested in him, he is well thought of.}
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Looked excellent in the U19 EURO's this past summer. He and Kondogbia stood out alongside Mr. Pogba in the French team. IMO.
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What about Buttner?? Looks like we have the ideal replacement for Evra already
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25 Oct 2012 17:40:06
thanks ed. Do you expect us to sign go ince go january or wait till summer before making a move? Isn't there contract issues at blackpool? {Ed002's Note - I know there is interest but cannot predict the timing. I don't know what you mean by "contract issues".}
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26 Oct 2012 05:45:35
Wanyama has rejected a new contract, surely if we show concrete interest we will get him and not at a ridiculous price for a player of his quality
Sean Cav
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Hopefully - but could have said the same for Dembele.
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