Manchester United Rumours Archive June 27 2012

27 Jun 2012 20:36:20
I know that this might sound like the disease known as MOTD fever, but what about a bid for moutinho?

Been immense throughout euro 2012 and i know chelsea were previously interested in him.

Philiphs93

I posted this too !! lol ,, if we miss out on modric he is ideal in the euros he looks better than modric but not got the epl pedigree like modric but looks a fantastic player and he also looked good web at sporting

Dio

Agreed! Ive been watching Jao Moutinho play for the past two seasons and i can say that hes developed into a solid CMfielder. As a lifelong Manchester United fan, I would LOVE to have him in our ranks!

27 Jun 2012 19:30:12
Would Munich be interested in ozil ,or ozil in Munich
Jred {Ed002's Note - I don't see Oezil necessarily being available in the summer but there will be no shortage of interest from England and Italy if he is, not least Inter Milan who bid against Madrid to buy him originally, and Juventus.}

Cheers ed
Jred

27 Jun 2012 13:38:40
Ed's, do you have any idea regarding any bids being made for Lucas Ocampos.....I think he would be a better buy than rodriguez considering the cost factor.Quite surprised actually that he is not being linked with anyone this transfer window so far....

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE {Ed002's Note - River Plate's Lucas Ocampos has been looked at by a number of sides with Roma, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Chelsea maintaining an interest. I understand that Diego Caniggia took a look on behalf of Liverpool but it was decided that he would be too expensive to buy and that seems to have ended any brief interest that Liverpool had. Inter Milan, Sevilla and Palermo have also shown an interest and Juventus (not either of the Milan clubs) made a bid.}

Man City are now also interested in this player

Simmo

Too expensive!when they paid 55+mill combined for Carroll and Henderson ! {Ed002's Note - The comparisons are meaningless.}

Ed it wasnt meant as a comparison in players it was a mickey take out of Liverpool in the fact that they think he was to expensive when the pay over the odds for Carroll & Henderson

27 Jun 2012 12:59:07
"If someone wants to take Javi Martinez, they will have to pay what the release clause in his contract says (£32m). For a player to leave Athletic, he must first come to us and say that he wants to go. Then, a club must match his release clause. If a club is willing to pay, but the player wants to stay, then he will stay. We are not a selling club,"

Ed02 do you know if we have shown any interest in Martinez, because if he is available for 32 and modric is going to cost the same, and lets face it less in wages I know which one I would rather have......

sorry mod it is not you.

Oxred {Ed002's Note - Manchester City are probably looking to replace Nigel De Jong in the summer and Javi Garcia and Javi Martinez were the two players they are looking at. I was told a while back that Inter Milan may make a bid for Javi if they decide not to take Juraj Kucka from co-owners Genoa. I am not convinced that Bilboa will want to sell the player any time soon, and if they do they will want 40M euro with Barcelona and Real Madrid being possible destinations. Garcia has signed a new deal at Benfica so I imagine Martinez will become a serious target for Manchester City who may also face interest from Manchester United.}

Thanks ED... again

oxred

27 Jun 2012 10:30:43
Any of the eds know if this rodriguez bid was true. Said in the daily mail it was in the 30m reigon. I cant see us going any higher.

Ste-Utd {Ed002's Note - A offer was made - the amount and details are irrelevant.}

Ed002 you said yesterday that this one could go on for a while. Do you envisage Porto lowering the asking price eventually or would you expect the buying club to pay the reported £40million buy out clause, regardless of which club that may be?


TK-Red {Ed002's Note - It would be guesswork to say whether they will or not. Forget this "buy out" concept - but Porto have a valuation of the player and that is what they want.}

Thanks ed .... bril as usual...

do you know if we have also put in a confirmed bid in for modric

oxred {Ed002's Note - Manchester United no, PSG yes.}

Ok thanks Ed.

TK-Red

Received a tip today that offer was low 20s with add ons and performance related increases other enquiries were about same . Porto are looking for approx 31.5 mill cash deal . United won't budge much but will counter offer 27 mill take it or leave it. They are not prepared to pay through the nose. They have no concerns over agent or player demands based on initial enquiries . Been told its 50-50 and worth a solid punt if value in the betting market ! J R HARTLEY

Ed002, a lot of reports are suggesting that Modric prefers United to RM, no media outlets are really mentioning PSG. Do you believe it's because he doesn't want to move to PSG? Also is the PSG offer an all cash offer or is there a player offered like Gameiro or someone?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The PSG offer was rejected but they may come back offering a player as well.}

So 4.5mil difference between portos asking price and what united will offer. If the deal doesnt happen that is the kind of the that would piss me off.

Doni

I can imagine Levy would love to sell Modric to PSG. Plenty of money and off the French league! I can understand if Modric prefers United to RM purely because he'd be coming in to United to take over from Scholes as the magician in the middle whereas at Real theres too many decent midfielders to guarantee him anything. Especially if the reports of RM not willing to include Sahin in the deal they obviously want to use him too. This one won't be over anytime soon. We know SAF is a big fan of the waiting game in certain situations such as this..

Ozwald

Thanks ED....

good to know... so at the minute then it looks like Rod is priority over modric and then anyone else.....
although I would love to see modric come in, i think a martinez/m'vila would be better given the players already at the club.

Oxred....

Porto are determined to hold out for the full amount and have turned down a £30million offer from United, according to reports in Portugal.
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It makes sense that the Portuguese press would probably be better informed on these things, clubs seem happier to speak to newspapers about rumours in Portugal and use them to push deals. The only problem here is that there aren't any reports in Portugal saying this.

So any exclusive based on reports from the Portuguese press is based on reports that don't exist. If there was any truth in this then A Bola, Record and O Jogo would be all over it like a rash. The slightest hint of a rumour or something like this and they have it on the front page of their website and newspaper.

Yet there is no sign of the reports that the Daily Mail base their exclusive on. A little further digging and it emerged that O Jogo ran a story in their paper edition yesterday saying that IF Manchester United were to bid 36m it would get turned down because Porto want the full buy-out clause of 45m, something the Premier League club certainly won't match for the 20 year old Columbian.
jred

Aren't you going to thank sport witness for your copy and paste there jred?

Yer no probs should of put cut and paste at the end
Jred

Cheers jred

When I saw the figure of £30m I thought that must be bullsh!t. Especially when they went on to say United would go back in with a higher offer! I understand how papers can make out they've heard rumours of who's going where but when they start throwing out figures (as though they're actually sitting in on the negotiations) it loses a lot of credibility for me. Not that the rags hold much credibility in the first place

Gav

In a dream world, Real Madrid would get Modric for £32 mil, then Sell Ozil to us for £25-30 mil.
Patzi

The thing is we have kagawa that plays in ozils position. Modric is a deep lying play maker and would play in a 4231 formation with ozil. Real want him to cover/compete with xabi Alonso.

27 Jun 2012 09:34:44
good morning Ed, any news on James Rodriguez in the past couple of days? Do you know if we have a confirmed interest yet? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Three clubs have so far spoken to Porto about James Rodrigues and two bids have been rejected I am told. Neither bid matches Porto's valuation of the player. The clubs are Manchester United, Palermo and Bayern Munich (who have been looking carefully at Rodrigues as an alternative to Dries Mertens). There may well have been enquiries from other clubs including Napoli and Liverpool. It may be tough to find someone to pay the sort of fee Porto would be looking for. This one could drag on for a while.}

Thanks for your reply Ed. If Porto's star player Hulk is available for £35m (approx), you would think Rodriguez is available for around £25m? Are the three clubs who are definitely interested reluctant to pay that sort of figure for him? Do you think Anderson could be used as a makeweight, but United could be overpricing Anderson?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the figures and comparisons don't help. The figure Porto are looking to is 40M euros for Rodriguez.}

That is some amount for a 20 year old after one decent season. Isn't that a higher fee than what Hazard went for in the end? Can I ask how far away the bids were from £32m and if United were one of the bidders? We know that Rodriguez wants the United move so that is good I guess.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get tied up in the amounts Syd. I understand that United did submit one of the offers - and Palermo the other.}

Thanks.

Sydney!

I remember hearing that Bayern were interested a little while back but i really don't understand why? I swear Robben has signed a contract extension there although his end to the season wasn't the best for him. But also they have Xherdan Shaqiri tied down from next season onwards.. Can't see Bayern having serious enough interest to pay anywhere near what Porto are asking.

I think United's interest could all depend on contract negotiations with Nani, Rodriguez being the favoured player to replace him but if Nani stays would it be worth paying £30m+ for a player that wont start every game..

Ozwald

27 Jun 2012 03:01:46
Modric's agent is advising him to seriously consider madrids offer. Player really wanted united but spurs are refusing to budge. Player was promised he could leave club for any team in chapions league if they failed to qualify. Spurs now saying they wont sell him to english side for less than 35mill. I dont expect madrid to pay that fee though more like 30mill
Jenny
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dear Jenny:
If United's first bid is 25m, then 35m ~ 30m is just 5~10m away, the cost of losing CL, EPL next season would easily triple that price, not to mention the intangible impact of moral and world supporters. The deal is still very reasonable don't you think?

That is not how United would look at it. SAF and Gill will have a valuation in mind and they will not give in to Levy's obscene demands. Modric is worth £25m, perhaps £5m in add ons, but he is not worth £35m and I wouldn't blame the club for opting out of the deal. A fee that high could put his United career under so much pressure, could he handle it?

Sydney!

Hi Jenny, Have you any other bit of info on any other players. keep up the good work

PBMUFC

I have heard nothing sorry, i will ask around today. there was rumours on monday madrid move was stumbling. but i am not sure they where entirely true. source of information not always reliable.
one of the ed's have mentioned on here b4 that if modric goes to madrid then ozil may be available for 25 million. for me personally that would be a better option. i think ozil is a much better player than modric.

My answer to the original posters question, is really what sydney as already told you. thats the reason we wont pay the money. we dont believe he is worth that much,
Jenny

I agree Jenny, much as I like Modric I personally prefer Ozil.
The fact he is younger and cheaper is a positive bonus.
Mr Q

I do like Young Jenny's posts :)

Modric to Real looks a done deal to me though. Let him go. Appreciate we should be willing to bid a further £5-£10m etc but we all know Fergie and / or Glazernomics mean we wont be held to ransom when it comes to transfer fees or wages.

I'd rather we bid £35m for Ozil if we were going to bid for anyone. Is there a chance he may become available if Modric deal to Madrid goes through ?

Failing that, Cabaye at Newcastle. £20-25m ?


Halesini

One of the edds has said due to madrids financial state ozil could be available for 25 mill. If that is the case why would they sell ozil for 25 then spend more of modric.
Surly if spurs can get 30 for modric Madrid could get the same if not more for ozil.
I hope I'm wrong but in today's market I just can't see ozil going for 25
Jred

If it is likely that a £25m bid for ozil would get accepted I'd personally run to madrid and carry him back

Dec

..."dear Jenny:
If United's first bid is 25m, then 35m ~ 30m is just 5~10m away, the cost of losing CL, EPL next season would easily triple that price, not to mention the intangible impact of moral and world supporters. The deal is still very reasonable don't you think?"......

Are you seriously making the assumption that we wil a) not win the Champions League without Modric?, or b) That it is inevitable that we will win the CL if we sign Modric?

Get a grip for Gods sake.
He couldn't even get Spurs into the CL and now suddenly Modric is the guy to make or break a CL campaign?

Think for yourself. Is Modric literally the only player on the planet? He is one player, an average player at best.

Bob

Thanks Bob, i agree with you, and i would much prefer ozil than modric anyday of the week. i think madrid would be mad to let him go anywhere.

Halesini thank you for the lovely young jenny comment, you made my day.
jenny

Everyone that calls Modric average clearly you need to watch him play and not just take the ignorant "oh Spurs didnt get into the CL". Watch hyim play and if you really understand football you can see that he is truly world class and if he has other top players around him he could be a world beater. IMO he is in the same level as Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Scholes, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger and Oezil. Well no one is on Xavi and Iniestas level apart from Scholes in his prime but you see my point. Modric is a must to replace scholes. Cleverley is average and cannot keep the ball like all the players above.

Bob - Modric is not 'average at best' surely! On what to you base that? The noname replier mentions Xavi and Scholes among others - well Modric plays the exact same role as those 2. Not as good Xavi (who is) but not a long way off IMO. Do you not see the value this kind of player in the team? If you do but just think Modric is a poor example of one - then fair play! But you'd be wrong IMO

Jenny - I would probably agree that Ozil is a better player than Modric (just) but they play different roles for their respective clubs so I do not see the direct comparison. When I've seen Ozil play it's been at AM i.e. where Kagawa will hopefully play for us. Modric plays CM playmaker for Spurs i.e. where Scholes played for us since Jan. He does play more advanced for Croatia but that's due to a lack of quality in their side. I cannot imagine Ozil coming in and playing in a midfield 2 as Modric could (hopefully with Kagawa ahead of him)

Noname - I largely agree with you having watched Modric play closely for over 2 years (as opposed to just on MOTD etc). I wouldn't say anyone is as good as Xavi or Schweinsteiger but seeing as those 2 are out of the question - I would say Modric is one of the next best

IMO though Iniesta, Silva and Ozil are all creative AM's whilst Xavi, Scholes, Schweinsteiger and Pirlo are creative CM'ers...is it just me who sees it this way as I see a lot of comparisons of players who play in different areas of the pitch?

Gav

As i spurs fan id like to point out that yes, modric may be valued at 25 million, but we DO NOT want to sell him, esp to another premiership club. so a club that want him would have to pay over the odds to get us to agree to sell him! we arent going to just offer him to man u cos they want him! we know he will leave, but in a world where jordan henderson can go for 20 million, why cant spurs expect 35 million for one of the best players in the league?

26 Jun 2012 23:37:49
Can someone please tell me what the obsession is with squad numbers as in who will get the number 7 or 9 shirt, when this is now a game for a squad of 25 players, the number they wear now in the modern game is irrelevant, whjat matters is how they perform when the pull on the red shirt of Manchester United regardless of the number on the back of it.

samster1

Really?
Couldn't disagree more.
Certain shirt numbers mean a lot to the fans. Well, they usually do.
Its about legends. But i guess you don't get that.
I dispair sometimes.

Bob {Ed001's Note - I thought it was just so little kids could get their number of their shirt, because it is irrelevant otherwise.}

Tradition

Pardoe

Ok well judging by that i do hope cleverly can live up to the traditional number 18 shirt, would one of you like to tell me the best position for a number 18

samster1

Sorry forgot to say thanks ed001

Its just through tradition, a lot of legends have worn the number 7 shirt (Beckham, Cantona, Ronaldo, Best, Robson).

Samster1
Look back in time to who wore the number 7 shirt for us (apart from owen) then tell me its not relevant, Utd players who wear that number end up legends. Think before you type sir.....
HERBIE

Majority of fans, myself included, see shirt numbers as significant. 7 for example has been worn by some truly great players - Best (although he wore 11 more), robson, cantona, beckham, ronaldo - 9 too has been worn by some of United's best goal scorers. I love United, and I have since I saw the FA cup brought home in 1985, I was 4! The thing I love most about the club is not the success or and the trophies, but the history. From Newton Heath to Charlie Mitten. Sir Matt, the babes and Munich. The 1st English club to succeed in Europe. Law, Best and Charlton. Relegation and The return. FA cups. Rivalries. Cantona. Fergie. The Premier league. The treble. All part of the club's history and shirt numbers have been incredibly important in shaping that history. In 68 against benfica 3 of the 4 goals were scored by 7 and 9. Just my opinion but I still think the number a player wears is very significant and that number 7 should be worn by a player of stature. If Kagawa doesn't want it that's fair enough, but the player who does get it needs to be GOOD!

Agree its our tradition to have a world class number 7 someone who excites the fans and for the number 9 a goal scorer which we still have in berba should keep and use him you dont loose your touch in 1 season, season before last top scorer now dont get a game and cost 30mill!

History

Wear the shirt, play for the badge, who cares what number you are if your gona be our nxt superstar!! did we really care ronaldo/cantona/robbo was 7? do the bizz and we will always love you no matter what your number is!!

This guy is the sort of fan that gives us real united supporters bad names!knows nothing of the clubs history.

Alex Mannutd

The likes of George Best,Bobby Charlton, Dennis Law made the numbers iconic and players have continued the legacy Cantona,Robson,Ronaldo,Rooney

fearny

I think its fans hope and believe they mean something and are using this to associate UTD with bringin in big names. We hope the 7 is important and would only be given to a "Marquee" but i think we discredited that by giving it to Michael Owen. Not the sort of player usually wearing the famous no 7. So i think people should stop reading into the fact that 7 and 9 are vacant and awaiting huge names. i dont think they can be linked anymore.

Sambo

Its the history of the shirt number.....7 ,Best Coppell,Robson,Beckham,Cantona,Ronaldo...nuff sed

Numbers are symbolic

The Number 7 shirt for Utd is as iconic as the number 10 shirt is in Brazil

Agree, there is so much tradition and history, especially in the number 7 shirt. Wil be interesting who will get the number 11 shirt in a couple of years time.

My fave was when Veron wore the number 7 shirt and everyone though Becks was leaving...and it was just the training numbers.

SB

Could be superstition, when i play i always like the number 10 shirt. have worn it for years when playing and feel the numbers apart of my game.

jus sayin some people feel more confident that way

Well I seem to have caused a stir all for having an opinion, also for some of you who think I give our supporters a bad name, I have to apaologise for only supporting United since 1971, and following them through thick and thin, and theres been quite a lot of thin, I just wish i had been supporting them since the 90`s instead, the game has changede and so has the club in the short time i have been a fan, perhaps some of us should change with it, most people remember the players more than their shirt number, in years to come if cleverly becomes a legend, as I said earlier maybe we can pay homage to the 18 shirt, please lads move on with the times United will always have a great history and will always be the team I love.
One last thing love the site and I even love the lads on here who dont agree with me, so come on lads chill out

samster1

Shirt numbers mean a lot to certain clubs and fans alike, as everyones stated the famouse number 7 shirt at united and all the players we've all loved who have worn it. take ac milan, players there have meant they have retired certain numbers- 6 baresi, 3 maldini. means a lot to the club and a lot to the fans. i personaly look out for who's having what number. love the fact that the only person to ever again be able to wear #3 at milan will be maldini's son who's in the reserves. by the way to whoever said cleverly is number 18, ashley young is number 18. love united, love all the fans

Andyred

Kagawa was basically saying i dont need the number that the legends have worn (no. 7) i wanna make my own legacy with his own number.

ED001

Who do you support?

Not United, otherwise you would not be saying shirt numbers are irrelevant.
They might be irrelevant at a club like Chelsea or Citeh, where history and tradition mean nothing.
But wearing the same number as the likes of Best, Law, Charlton, Edwards, Robson, Hughes, Cantona, Becks, Ronnie et al does actually mean something to most players. And most geniune fans can appreciate the history attached to such shirts.

Obviously not a cynic like yourself though.

Bob

..Also

It's not just the number 7.

7,9,10 and 11 all have meaning to fans.
All should be worn by special players.

All have been worn by some of Uniteds greatest ever players.

Bob

Remember, Manchester United is not the only team to care about shirt numbers for their players. Brazil care about the N0. 10 nationally as much as we care about the number 7. Also i would like to point out that many people have said on this site that United uses its history as a pulling factor for signing new players. I completly agree with this, and the shirt numbers are parts of this history. otherwise the factor of money would play a larger role. Even so, i do believe that sometimes things must change over the years, i too have supported the club for many a year and i can see the changes that have happened, and those which should have happened. However, shirt numbers are important in my opinion.

Ok lads i concede defeat on this one, but i must point out that I am as much a red as the next person and love the club as much as you all do thanks for all your opinions on this.

samster1

OP I agree to a great extent. I do understand the history and tradition behind shirt numbers, especially our very own number 7. However, I really don't get the level of interest of posters on this site as to who get's which number. I don't really care and I'm sure a lot of players don't care either! Sure a huge ego like Hazard might but most players are professionals these days and have more important things to worry about surely

Gav

Cheers Gav at least a couple of you agree

Samster1

27 Jun 2012 00:20:15
According to the Daily Fail we have had a £30 million bid rejected for Rodriguez. I doubt we'd pay that much money for him.
I would love to see him at United but he isn't worth the £40 million Porto supposedly want for him.

Yes United are interested in the player, and want to buy him even whether Nani stays or goes!
The problem I find, is that United step in so late with deals or interests..........and usually lose out. Here they have been watching Rodriguez for several months and should have stepped in before he signed a new contract and have to pay over the odds £40m

You're joking me right, what was to say they didn't. Because of the transfer laws you can't tell a player you are trying to sign them as this would be considered tapping up. We may have enquired about him or even bid but Porto would not have to tell Roriguez. They may have realised we wanted him then offered a new contract with a 40m buy out clause because we were showing interest.

Red Joe