Manchester United Rumours Archive October 28 2010

 

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28 Oct 2010 23:38:59
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*You say wise up but perhaps you should look at the facts. Rooney said he want to leave, then signed his contract and claimed he never wanted to leave. Your argument is that he was only saying he wanted to leave to be offered a bigger deal by united? Correct? So looking at it from a neutral point of view, whats to say he is now only saying he wants to stay so that the time he has left does not become unbearable. Im not saying that is 100% true. But it would be naive to believe that he has undying loyalty to the club. .as in my opinion, if he did have that loyalty he would never have attempted to hold the club to ransom in the first place.

Holding the club to ransom or getting an improved contract what other players of his quality are getting at other clubs? His agent is the most ruthless agent in the game, he got his client what he wanted, a 200k a week contract and he was able to stay in the north west. Problem solved.

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28 Oct 2010 23:20:37
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As for Ronaldo, he had said on many many many occasions that he wanted to go to Real Madrid, Rooney has never once said he would like to play for any other club other than United. Anyone with a brain would know that Rooney had and has no intention of ever joining Real Madrid or Barcelona, his missus has even said that she would never leave the North west. Come on mate its time to wise up a bit.

*You say wise up but perhaps you should look at the facts. Rooney said he want to leave, then signed his contract and claimed he never wanted to leave. Your argument is that he was only saying he wanted to leave to be offered a bigger deal by united? Correct? So looking at it from a neutral point of view, whats to say he is now only saying he wants to stay so that the time he has left does not become unbearable. Im not saying that is 100% true. But it would be naive to believe that he has undying loyalty to the club. .as in my opinion, if he did have that loyalty he would never have attempted to hold the club to ransom in the first place.

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28 Oct 2010 23:18:17
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The strikers SAF is monitoring are - Llorente, Suarez, Hulk and Benzema. All are equally UNLIKELY and nothing concrete might happen in January or the summer if everything stays the way it is atm.
~oNe uNited~

This is completely true, oNe uNited knows his stuff! In your opinion oNe uNited who do you think we'll sign striker wise, ive heard Benzema but only if we can get sell Owen?

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28 Oct 2010 21:28:03
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My wishlist of players that are currently not priority targets for SAF - Hazard, Lahm, Subotic, Hamsik, Marin, Pjanic, Higuain and Banega. Of those whom he is monitoring, I'd (realistically) like to see Jovetic, Degea, Ninis, Defour, Sanchez and Ganso.
And the following should either retire or leave - Giggs, Neville, VDS, Carrick, Hergreaves, O'Shea, Evans and Anderson.
~oNe uNited~

I'd love to see any of them at Old Trafford but Ganso and Jovetic both are out with cruciates at the moment and many months away from returning. Can't see either of those 2 coming this summer. Big starts of the future though. .

Rudderpost

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28 Oct 2010 21:14:56
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What about shay given . dublin red

TOO OLD!

He's the same age Van der Sar was when he signed for United. And he is a top keeper, and would probably be the cheapest of the current lot being mentioned. I don't always agree with Dublin Red but at least he puts his name on his posts. Ryan.

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28 Oct 2010 20:54:58
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Sneijder just signed a new deal with Inter

28 Oct 2010 20:54:36
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What about shay given . dublin red

TOO OLD!

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28 Oct 2010 20:48:06
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What about shay given . dublin red

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28 Oct 2010 20:14:53
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My wishlist of players that are currently not priority targets for SAF - Hazard, Lahm, Subotic, Hamsik, Marin, Pjanic, Higuain and Banega. Of those whom he is monitoring, I'd (realistically) like to see Jovetic, Degea, Ninis, Defour, Sanchez and Ganso.
And the following should either retire or leave - Giggs, Neville, VDS, Carrick, Hergreaves, O'Shea, Evans and Anderson.
~oNe uNited~

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28 Oct 2010 20:03:30
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The strikers SAF is monitoring are - Llorente, Suarez, Hulk and Benzema. All are equally UNLIKELY and nothing concrete might happen in January or the summer if everything stays the way it is atm.
~oNe uNited~

28 Oct 2010 20:03:06
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Sneider has signed a new long term contract with Inter, so sadly we won't be signing him.
Source: SSN

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28 Oct 2010 19:53:25
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The only goalkeepers SAF is interested in are - Lindegaard, Neuer, Degea, Asenjo, Adler and Buffon. All are equally likely.
~oNe uNited~

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28 Oct 2010 19:27:09
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Whats our chances of getting pepe reina or is it just dally mirror krap , would he make the move , ed any thoughts please . dublin red .
{Editor's note - It is just newspapers trying to sell papers mate. Highly unlikely he will leave Liverpool let alone to ManUtd}

I do not think he would go to United or that United want him, i believe they are trying to sell papers, however i do believe there is massive unrest within the Liverpool camp and that one of or both of Torres & Reina will not be at Liverpool come September 1st 2011.

One saving grace for Liverpool is that no one other than City can afford Torres and i do not think Torres would ever go to City. More worryingly for Liverpool is Torres could stay at Liverpool til his contract runs out and leave on a free, he would also only be worth between 15-20m this time next year if he was to move in January 2012.

Does that worry you Ed? {ed's note - not in the slightest, the unrest at Liverpool is with the manager, and that will be solved once the new board is in place. The only way players will be leaving is if the club decides to sell them now.}

28 Oct 2010 19:21:57
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Atm, the only midfielders on SAF's wishlist are - Sanchez, Defour, Ganso, Modric, Bale*, Martinez, Jovetic and Sneijder*. But depending on the availability L.Diarra* and Afellay might be considered. The ones marked with a * are unlikely due to different reasons (expect Defour + 1 in January).
~oNe uNited~

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28 Oct 2010 19:18:45
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Just as i thought ed, thanks.dublin red {ed's note - you are very welcome mate.}

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28 Oct 2010 19:09:54
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Whats our chances of getting pepe reina or is it just dally mirror krap , would he make the move , ed any thoughts please . dublin red .
{Editor's note - It is just newspapers trying to sell papers mate. Highly unlikely he will leave Liverpool let alone to ManUtd}

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28 Oct 2010 18:47:18
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Editor - I have some news about the Bebe deal you may be interested to know, United paid 7.6m for Bebe, 2.5m went to Jorge Mendes, the rest went to the selling club.

But that is not the news i have heard, United paid top dollar for him because they only pay him 90k a YEAR in wages. So this is the reason why he was a little pricey, because Mendes (His agent) who should have been arguing his corner getting him a much better deal (wage wise) actually stiffed him and let United pay him just 90k a year, when he should have asked for more for his client, Bebe is getting a shocking wage while Mendes pockets a cool 2.5m.

You were right Ed, it was a dodgy deal but not in the way you thought, am i right?

Sydney! {ed's note - that is shocking, for two reasons, one that we think of 90k a year as a poor wage, I would love to earn that! And secondly that the club has such low regard for its players to allow an agent to do that to one of them.}

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28 Oct 2010 17:53:17
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Can you believe that Ed? {ed's note - I don't believe you would have been paying his wages while injured, I am sure the insurance will cover that. It is a shame because the lad was a quality player and you have missed him badly. I am not so sure about Berbatov, he has never been my type of player, he never seemed like he was trying, even at Spurs.}

~Too right we have missed him, i would say he was the missing link between us winning the league last season, we could have also done with him & Fletcher in the Champions League final against Barca. Our midfield was swallowed up by Barca's.

Berbatov has always had that style but he was far more effective at Spurs and for his national side. I think he tries too hard at United although he looks like hes not trying at all. I have always said if we paid 10m for him he would be a far better player for us than he is now.

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28 Oct 2010 17:08:10
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The best news i hav heard in months giggs and scholes are goin to be signin contract exstensions(1 year)

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28 Oct 2010 16:51:10
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~Sorry Ed this was a question, do you or the other Eds know the rules on this subject? {ed's note - my understanding is that you receive insurance payments for the time he is out injured and if he retires while under contract you receive compensation. Obviously the amount varies, contract length, wages paid and the amount he is insured for will decide the final amount. But yes, I am 99% sure that you would receive an insurance payment if the player retires while under contract to your club.}

Thanks Ed, that is what i thought, overall United have wasted 25m on him, that's fee and wages so if we can get back 8-10m that would do. Its a bit of a shame for Fergie as a fit Hargreaves & a Berbatov playing like he did at Spurs week in week out SHOULD have been top buys. What gets me is how people slate Fergie for these two signings.

Can you believe that Ed? {ed's note - I don't believe you would have been paying his wages while injured, I am sure the insurance will cover that. It is a shame because the lad was a quality player and you have missed him badly. I am not so sure about Berbatov, he has never been my type of player, he never seemed like he was trying, even at Spurs.}

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28 Oct 2010 16:46:22
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BIG MANCHESTER UNITED RUMOUR

Apparently United have been in contact with Santos over the signing of Ganso, Santos do not want to sell but they may be forced to as Ganso has rejected their latest offer, he had his heart set on Real Madrid before they bought Kaka & now Ozil but is willing to go to the North west as long as its not Manchester City, he turned down their advances in January last year as he had never heard of them (His words).

Manchester United, Barcelona & Real Madrid is where he wants to go, Real do not need him, Barcelona do not need him and they really want Cesc still so United could be favourites for this deal with Ferguson watching closely.

It is also said that the Possebon sale to Santos was more of a gift rather than a sale as he was sold for less than one tenth of his true value.

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28 Oct 2010 16:29:19
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{ed's note - he would have to sign a new contract for you to get any kind of insurance settlement, you can't get a payment for a player retiring who is no longer contracted to you.}

He is contracted til June and i reckon he will retire before his contract is up, he has been injured for two years whilst under contract at United, they paid 17m for him and 40k a week in wages yet has only played 24 games for United.

Surely the insurance company will owe United if he retires before his contract is up? Surely they will owe two years wages & a percentage of the transfer fee?

~Sorry Ed this was a question, do you or the other Eds know the rules on this subject? {ed's note - my understanding is that you receive insurance payments for the time he is out injured and if he retires while under contract you receive compensation. Obviously the amount varies, contract length, wages paid and the amount he is insured for will decide the final amount. But yes, I am 99% sure that you would receive an insurance payment if the player retires while under contract to your club.}

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28 Oct 2010 16:25:30
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{ed's note - he would have to sign a new contract for you to get any kind of insurance settlement, you can't get a payment for a player retiring who is no longer contracted to you.}

He is contracted til June and i reckon he will retire before his contract is up, he has been injured for two years whilst under contract at United, they paid 17m for him and 40k a week in wages yet has only played 24 games for United.

Surely the insurance company will owe United if he retires before his contract is up? Surely they will owe two years wages & a percentage of the transfer fee?

28 Oct 2010 16:18:31
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I've been told of a swap deal with newcastle involving carrick and young haris vuckic the only stumbling block atm is who and how much money will change hands as well, also if houghton loses his job before january then the deal could be put in jepordy.

@He needs to join a decent academy if he wants to keep improving, he has great potential. I can see Carrick linked to being a makeweight in a number of deals this summer, but cannot see him being a United player next season. Too slow, reaction wise and speed, he tends to back away from tackles now and age is not on his side, he will be 30 next season and if he slows down anymore he may stop lol! On a serious note i think United need to cash in on him now, 8m would not be bad, that means he would have cost us 10m plus wages and in that time we have won an awful lot with him, he has been a decent buy overall.

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28 Oct 2010 16:10:04
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""Sydney that's excellent thanks. I was just wondering who else was approaching the contract renewal stage and just after a general idea on the wages. Guessing the summer will see quite a drop.""

@Most certainly mate, i know Owen is trying to get a contract extension but i am hoping now Fergie knows Hernandez is the bees knees that he will release him in the summer, or even sell him for a nominal fee in January.

Owen Hargreaves contract also runs out in June, i am almost certain he will never comeback, so he is another one who i expect to leave in the summer, hopefully retire so we can cash in on more insurance money.

Sydney! {ed's note - he would have to sign a new contract for you to get any kind of insurance settlement, you can't get a payment for a player retiring who is no longer contracted to you.}

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28 Oct 2010 16:03:35
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I've been told of a swap deal with newcastle involving carrick and young haris vuckic the only stumbling block atm is who and how much money will change hands as well, also if houghton loses his job before january then the deal could be put in jepordy.

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28 Oct 2010 15:34:11
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Ins -

Cleverley|Pogba|Morrison|Welbeck
Defour|Neuer|Lindegaard|Sanchez

Out -

Giggs|Scholes|Hargo|Neville|VDS
Carrick|Park|Gibson|De Laet|Kuszczak|Owen

Forgot about Owen!

What do you think Darks?

28 Oct 2010 15:33:13
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Sydney that's excellent thanks. I was just wondering who else was approaching the contract renewal stage and just after a general idea on the wages. Guessing the summer will see quite a drop.

28 Oct 2010 15:32:17
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Also Borini & Kakuka are refusing to sign new contracts, as the wages being offered are very low, Benayoun is only on 48k a week, Ramires 20k a week and they could get much better deals elsewhere, even Arsenal, do you see them staying at Chelsea?
{Editor's note - I do, though I would take Kakuta off their wage bill anyday lol, he has some future potential.}

@Ancelotti has said they need to make their mind up quick, so hes worried! Personally i can see Kakuka joining Bayern Munich, Borini will sign for an Italian side. Kakuka is holding all of the cards right now so unless he gets a good deal he will be off, i cannot see Chelsea paying him a decent wage as they are trying to cut all of their wages. Ivanovic is only being offered a 60k a week contract, he is a very important player for them and relatively young so i would imagine they only want to pay Kakuka around 20k a week.

No wonder he is holding back.

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28 Oct 2010 14:30:55
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""I'm wondering if someone could help out with something. Does anyone have an idea of the wage bill at united and how long is left on various contracts. Or if anyone knows where to find such info.""

@Manchester United's wage bill for last season was 131m, that is not just the footballers salaries, that's everyone, admin staff, coaching staff etc.

The wage bill will be reduced by around 25m when the legends & other players like Owen and other sales leave, even when United hand new deals to Rooney, Evra, O'Shea & the new signings we will still save around 10m on our wage bill.

Expect our future wage bill to be around 120m. that is just 41% of our turnover, that is very good.

I am not sure where you can find out info on the whole teams contracts but i may be able to tell you if you have anyone in particular you want info on?

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2010 14:08:23
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Manchester Uniteds Main Midfield Targets:
I am going by how frequently names appear on many transfer rumour websites! I am going to put them in order of cost-
(1)Ninis(Panathinikos) has a buy out clause of £8million and is a promising starlet
(2) Defour has been long linked and is valued up to £10million and has said its time to move
(3) Affelay is definately on the move and at around £14million i think is a good price
(4) Lassana Diarra wants away from the Bernabou and having played in the EPL before it looks a likely destination valued at £15million
(5) Gourcuff or Hamsik altrhough not mentioned as prolificaly as the others they have been said to be looking for a way to step up so i could see either joining the reds if given an opportunity valued at £18million each
(6) De Rossi (roma) currently refuses to open talks for a new contract and with only 2years left looks like a great chance for ferguson to buy one of his most admired players valued £25million
(7) Bale what a talent and what a perfect replacement for Giggs although he did turn down Man U for spurs when he left Southampton I think if ferguson offers Carrick+Park+cash it may be to tempting to turn down valued £30million
(8) Sneijder has been the biggest target for a while now and has been unhappy with current contract negotiations although Inter have came out and said they expect him to pen a new contract by Sunday if it falls through there is a huge chance he will join United valued £33million

Obviously not all of these will become United players I have just outlined the situations that some of the most rumoured players are in at the moment u can decide yourself who u think is most likely to join!

If what I have said gets good ratings I will do a similar piece on Goalkeepers/Defenders and Strikers

AdrianDManUfan

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28 Oct 2010 13:47:20
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Man Utd's targets will include,

Kaka
Benzema
Alonso
Pedro
Sneijder
Bale
Modric
Huddlestone
Bent
De Natalie
Ash Young
Henderson
Rodwell
Torres
Bellamy

All options are being explored I.e. swap deals and perhaps sending players on loan in the cases of Rodwell and Henderson to help broker a deal, the reported interest from City in Henderson is believed to be coming from his agent. The plan is to try and cover all positions that SAF is concerned about but he seems to be discussing transfer targets with someone outside of Old Trafford.

The goalkeeping situation is very very classified I know they are certainly looking, but nothing is ever really talked about other than very much in private between SAF and Gill. Believe me holding a glass to SAF's door doesn't work. . I don't know why this is being kept so secret, it is no secret that Utd like to do their dealings out of the press other than the Rooney thing, but the goalkeeping situation go's no further than Saf & Gill, I know Eric has been asked to watch quite a few candidates.

The thing currently in the papers about Pep becoming the next Utd manager stemmed from Utd, call it market research if you like.

Pedro's agent recently contacted Gill about the possibility of Pedro coming to Old Trafford next season, maybe because Pep will be there in the future?! or maybe because he has heard they may have money to spend.

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28 Oct 2010 13:34:31
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""Pie in the sky transfer talk , twenty mill plus sales so forget sneidjer etc etc. no value in the market they say .dublin red.""

@Whats wrong with 20m plus sales? Sell Carrick, Park, Gibson, Kuszczak, Drinkwater & Chester and the 20m turns into 45m.

Ok, Carrick is a decent player but the others are useles. Do you really believe that clubs are willing buy players just because they are at united. Drinkwater, Chester, Macheda, Possebon, and Gibson for that matter have done nothing and don't look like they ever will. You need to get real.
United are really starting to feel the effects of Leeching owners bleeding them dry and Fergies years of over spending on average players.

Tommy Walsh


* * We aint suffering a thing Walshy boy - if you hadn't noticed, we're unbeaten this season in all competitions, and are doing pretty well considering Rooney (the man who apparently carried us single-handedly to 2nd place last season) hasn't done a thing since before the world cup.

Don't worry about us mate, we'll always be fine - if things get drastically bad with the debts, the Glazers will be pressured into selling. As proven by Pompey and several before them; a football team will more than likely never go bust, a wealthy bloke will always see the potential money-signs flashing before his eyes and jump on board.

Seriously Walsho, mind your own ship instead of ours - we've got decades of experience on our side, and a trophy haul that must make you physically sick to comprehend!

28 Oct 2010 13:31:43
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Not sure why everyone wants to sell gibson. I thought he did alright last season and think he just needs a consistant run of games maybe on loan. He might not become a consistant first team player but could become a good squad player for depth. And why sell park? The merchandising alone is reason enough to keep him. I think we should bring in someone like honda as well.

28 Oct 2010 13:25:00
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I'm wondering if someone could help out with something. Does anyone have an idea of the wage bill at united and how long is left on various contracts. Or if anyone knows where to find such info.

28 Oct 2010 12:53:06
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EDITOR are these figures so unreasonable? If anything i have under valued them.
{Editor's note - Park I doubt will be sold due to his commercial value to the club. That pays his wages and many others, the rest are about right, maybe a bit more for Gibson as he would be a very good player for a team in the middle or round abouts in the Premiership.}

EDITOR there has been talk of Park leaving at the end of the season, even he has been saying its a possibility, do you think United will take a look at this Honda fella? He is a top quality attacking midfielder, he is good at his freekicks and with Giggs & Gibson? leaving we will need a freekick taker, plus the merchandising side of things, i would be gobsmacked if he is not already on the radar.

What do you think Ed? Could he fill Scholesy's boots? {ed's note - Honda is not really a Scholes-type. But he could easily star as an attacking midfielder, or a striker, or a second striker, or a box-to-box midfielder, or a defensive midfielder, left-sided attacker, left midfield, or left back. I have seen him play all those roles very well, I would say it would be insanity not to try and buy him, his merchandising would far surpass Park's. When Roma signed Nakata they released a limited edition polo shirt in Japan only, they almost paid for his 15m transfer fee on their own! Honda is going to be a bigger star than he was, in my opinion.}

28 Oct 2010 12:47:23
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Ed - Yes of course you're right they've raised it this year. My mistake, was think of the old rate. Ryan. {ed's note - that wasn't me that replied to that mate, not sure who it was, unless it was one of the other editors.}

Sorry Ryan i never left my name, yes the rate rose from 24% up to 43% and its meant to be rising again next year. Like i said Ronaldo is on 170k a week but only gets taxed 24% therefore he takes home 130K a week after tax, Rooney is on 160k a week which rise to 200k after certain bonuses but he gets taxed 50% therefore he takes home 100k a week after tax.

Spain's tax will rise to 50% some people are predicting, therefore you will see more people choosing to come to England rather than Spain, although Spain does still have the weather.

Sydney!

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28 Oct 2010 10:52:11
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Heed my words manc fans you's will be lucky to survive the next couple of seasons.570m debt and that's without the PIK'S, no funds, couldnt sell all your season tickets, 83m loss last year and an aging squad.You know i speak facts.can you fell it can you Rooney could only for his greed, the decay of manchester united may it r.i.p.

*You make no sense, and you talk waffle so shhhhh*

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28 Oct 2010 10:26:43
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To this poster:

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""Pie in the sky transfer talk , twenty mill plus sales so forget sneidjer etc etc. no value in the market they say .dublin red.""

@Whats wrong with 20m plus sales? Sell Carrick, Park, Gibson, Kuszczak, Drinkwater & Chester and the 20m turns into 45m.

Ok, Carrick is a decent player but the others are useles. Do you really believe that clubs are willing buy players just because they are at united. Drinkwater, Chester, Macheda, Possebon, and Gibson for that matter have done nothing and don't look like they ever will. You need to get real.
United are really starting to feel the effects of Leeching owners bleeding them dry and Fergies years of over spending on average players.

Tommy Walsh

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28 Oct 2010 00:43:33
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I don't understand why everyone sees this Rooney situation as black or white. They tend to believe Rooney will stay at the club now he has signed a contract and that he wouldn't have signed if he wanted to leave as he couldve let his contract run down. Rooney has already said that it was unfortunate his contract talks became public. He was obviously perfectly happy to wait it out until the summer or even next summer before moving clubs. . therefore in my opinion SAF will have said to Rooney. "If you care for this club as much as you claim to then sign a new contract and we will agree to give you your move in the summer. That way Rooney gets his move and the club get a bigger fee" I suspect that's one of the things ferguson was referring to when talking about respecting the club. You see players sign new contracts at clubs all the time to ensure the club gets a fee for him, this is just on a grander scale. That said, should we strengthen suficiently during the next year then Rooney may regret asking to move on.

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28 Oct 2010 00:22:54
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Ed - Yes of course you're right they've raised it this year. My mistake, was think of the old rate. Ryan. {ed's note - that wasn't me that replied to that mate, not sure who it was, unless it was one of the other editors.}

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28 Oct 2010 00:08:11
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In all fairness ed I think if he was up for sale in the new year on his old contract Mourinho would have gone for him on the cheap and with the tax in Spain the way it is, could have offered Rooney a better net wage that City. I do take your point about Mancini, but I think he wouldn't have the final say, and they would go all out for him given the tiniest bit of encouragement. Ryan.

@To be fair Ryan the Spanish tax is not much different from the English one, here its 50% in Spain its 43% and its rising again next year.

As for Real paying more then City? Don't be silly Ronaldo is on 170k a week, Kaka is on 160k a week, City would double that. Ronaldo, Benzema & Kaka are on the old tax rates of 24%, as they signed their 6 year contracts before they changed the Spanish tax rate.

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