Manchester United Rumours Archive October 28 2012

28 Oct 2012 20:08:16
Good performance today. Defence still a little shaky and De Gea makes me nervous with the ball at his feet, other than that quite happy.

Rafael is getting better with every game, great support for a below par Valencia. If Fabio coul get to his level it would be like having the Neville's back. Centre back cover and def midfield still needed. Carrick is the weak link in this team

Aj

Second part agree with... Do not agree with De Gea, kept us in it at times today

RedKnight

De Gea made some quality saves but he makes some awful clearances with his feet and not the first time. He has the potential to be amazing and im sure once he's been at OT for a few years will be class

Aj

Disagree strongly about Carrick, does a lot of brilliant work for the team that goes unnoticed. On the quiet his little incisive passes and excellent reading of the game are the glue that holds us together at times. He may not be spectacular but he's an very important and influential memeber of the team

monsoon

Agree.... Carrick is the weak link. Sits back too much and draws teams on to us. Thats why at times midfield is over rin & the back four looks exposed.We need a midfielder that can control a game as well as drive us forward when under pressure. Chelsea got on top for 20 or 30 mins and Carrick disappeared.

Bullseye50 {Ed004's Note - Someone like Vidal?}

Carrick is a great player when given time and space ie when chelsea went donw to 9 men. before that he offered nothing and i forgot he was on the pitch, rooney and cleverley were doing more then him and he is ment to be our seniour midfielder! ive said it before and ill say it again.......... Carrick would not get into any other team in the top 6! fact!

Arsenal wanted Carrick when we signed him, there in the top 6... just saying.

Kai

28 Oct 2012 19:52:24
For the last few years we have suffered some appalling decisions against Chelsea particularly at the hands of Martin Atkinson, and then there was the Drogba offside goal that cost a league title. Therefore weeping Chelsea fans have nothing to complain about whatsoever

First the decisions.
Ivanovic ,there cannot be an argument on that.
Torres, well he was touched by Evans but I don't think the touch took him down , still he was hard done to to be sent off for it. However Torres should have been sent off for the chest high De Jong style challenge on Cleverley.
Hernandez was offside but we had enough time to get a goal if that hadn't gone in.

As far as our play was concerned , we started off well but became overrun after 30 mins. Rooney played deep to try and have some control in the middle but the problem was Cleverley who was occupying the position where we needed a Keane type not a Cleverley. No one took command and for the middle third of the game we struggled. We are dangerous going forward but controlling games is a challenge with our midfield. The Ivanovic sending off, the correct sending off of Ivanovic tilted it in our favour.

Chelsea look a good side and I have a feeling they will be there at the end of the season

One point from today, if Torres is running through next time will he go down or will he stay on his feet? He has thrown himself to the floor before and if today puts an element of doubt in his head to stop him and others doing it in future then it has been a good day for football whether Chelsea like it or not.

A good win but not decisive

Red Man

Of course Torres will go down in that situation, he's always been like that, he probably practises more than Tom Daley!

Snakey

On the subject of Drogba's offside goal that cost you the league. Macheda's goal was practically bundled in the net with two hands so I dont really feel that you have anything to complain about. Torres tackle was a foul and Johnny Evans should have been booked and Hernandez goal was clearly offside. All in all the refferring decisions killed the game

28 Oct 2012 19:47:25
Sydney mentioned that we always have had bad decisions at stamford bridge.

Care to highlight some of those decisions?
Coz I can't remember any other than the drogba offside goal

Red_Dev {Ed059's Note - Luiz not being sent off, Drogba offside goal, penalty vs Carrick to name a few}

28 Oct 2012 20:17:23
Penalty against smalling when ivanovic took a dive

Smalling penalty, when Zhirkov ran into him. theres another one

RedKnight

Brown fouled in the box in 2009 at the Bridge. Drogba was also offside in that goal. It wasn't even a free kick.

G.A.G.U.S

Macheada hand ball

Evans chest high karate kick on drogba,macheada hand ball,etc

Drogba offside goal was at old Trafford wasn't it?

GDS

There was also a header than terry scored, even though he started offside.

28 Oct 2012 18:44:53
For the Eds do we have interest in Sebastian Rode from Eintracht Frankfurt. {Ed059's Note - As far as we know, none}

28 Oct 2012 19:26:03
The only problem with today was... Mr Valencia. What has happened to him? Last season he was top quality.

But lets think about it, Valencia is so basic, it is get to the by-line and cross the ball, once you know what he is going to do it is very easy to defend against. He struggles to take on someone, as soon as there is not enough space for him to kick the ball 15yds forward and run after it he has nothing in his locker to beat a man. He needs to learn how to beat a man in a 1 vs 1 situation and unless he does that, he will either have to be a right back or moved on. If that was Nani with that performance today, the amount of abuse he would be getting off all of you would be ridiculous.

RedKnight

Its still only 1 match after an injury mate. Give him another game or 2 at least, we have seen how effective he can be last season.

I'm sorry but what has he done all season... next to nothing, isn't a threat at all

RedKnight

See where your coming from he only had 2 assists today mate ! Are you for real ? Was a constant threat all game, don't know what you expect pal from him, your crackers
SC

Every time we play Chelsea with Valencia he gets the beating of Ashley Cole.
The same Cole who used to show a certain Mr. Cristiano Ronaldo an imaginary pocket such his dominace defensively over Ronaldo in games.

Valencia has great pace and power, but is also predictable and painfully one footed. I think he is better at right back and maybe Rafael on the wing.
Mik

It's not that he can't take on someone.. He just can't take on more then one person !
It's seems the same with Young, Nani seems to be the only winger actually Nani seems to be the only player that will and can take on more then one player but he has been atrotious this season.

We need that sparky player, a player who is well able to beat players with ease!

CalamityManc!

29 Oct 2012 08:14:40
Difference is though, Valencia has a bad game and still looks a threat at times, whereas when Nani has a bad game, he is like a man off, which lately, is quite often

Are u guys for real all uniteds best attacks came from valencia and rafael on the right a few from young both wingers have bin out off actions for a little while valencia had old cole all day long! i think its time baines becomes england 1st choice left back as he got done by a not fully fit valencia!
red devil 4 life!!

28 Oct 2012 18:55:01
I was seriously impressed with Young today.... He held the ball well put some decent balls in passed well and defended brilliantly..... He also lasted the whole game after being out for so long it says it all really.

Yeah totally agree good first game back. Played a much better game than Nani would have. The thing i like most about Young is that he knows Evra is a lazy sh!t when it comes to defending so he'll always help him out and run back.

Ozwald

You forgot his dive to get brana sent off,

Personally I'm underwhelmed by Young in every game, except in the 8-2 against the Gunner a couple of seasons ago. This season we have looked at our best against Newcastle using a diamond formation in midfield.
Mik

Not for me as i thought and posted early in the match that all the damage was done on Rafael and valencia side, which is quite interesting as SAF saw the same thing.

There was a spell where RVP was creating havoc and we had them on the counter and RVP's runs where taking their defenders with him and opening up the pitch. Young instead of using the opening as an opportunity did not make have a go and instead made quite few bad passes and gave the ball away.

It was his first game back and i agree that it was good to see him last 90 minutes.

Shahram

28 Oct 2012 17:59:17
What a day...
Skyfall,
Suarez: perfectly good goal disallowed.
Hernandez: offside goal stands.

Love it!

Shocking decision for Torres red, Jonny would have been lucky to stay on. Ref has to be certain he dived... Really bad decision.

Well done Fergy for taking Rooney off, we missed his play, but he would have been sent off. THAT was the right time to use Giggs. Glad that the little pea got his chance, deserved it after mid week performance.

Come on Utd, blind optimism will get us through ;)

DodgyBanter

You actually loved that the ref give you wrong decision. You know its wrong and you loved it?

Something wrong with you. How can someone love cheating.

No wonder so many people hate united.

They get result from referee week in week out.

Yeh i'm not a big fan of Giggs but him and Scholes are the only players we have where I feel comfortable if they have it in a tight area. Maybe RVP and Kagawa as well.

It is not cheating it is the refs fault no name.

19-20 MUFC

28 Oct 2012 17:03:34
Come on guys... Hold your nerve. We've played well, Chelski were always going to have a strong spell, and it took a fantastic free kick from Mata to score.

I think we need to force ourselves back onto the offensive, not trying to hang on.

Our bench is very strong, hope this sees us through... Come on Utd!!

DodgyBanter

Why did we not gone for the jugular and finished them convincingly, they had 9 men for god sake. We should have put them to the sword. Embarrassing if you ask me, chelsea will take heart from this result now.

Norts

Well said. I went to he shop at half time for a couple cans and a city fan came in complaining about the lead Man United had. I had to shut him up and call him soooooo bitter. Just proves he watches us as much as his own team. Great stuff and well done the boys:-)

We won and it was a thriller. A good three points concidering we haven't won there in donkeys. Very happy with the result!

Great win,3 points and karma for the crap decisions we never got there over the past few years.but after our 2 quick goals we were second best all over the pitch.we continually gave the ball away in the middle and owe de ghea for 2 or 3 fantastic saves.
johndenton

Norts, if they had caught us on the counter which they could have with the fresh legs, you would be exploding. I would be happy that we ran the clock down.

Dan

28 Oct 2012 13:56:19
dan does it really matter if i leave a name or not? I have it on very good authority from a source i cannot and will not divulge that Ashley Cole will move to City in the summer and that Pep Guardiola will be City manager in the summer. Furthermore both Tevez and Nani will be in serie A next season. Vidic will also depart for the right fee. United are heavily scouting centrebacks, box to box and attacking midfielders. If you need a name... Call me SpongeBob.

It's good to keep a name so we know who you are and therefor we can reply to you.

-JakeW

Yes because in October you know what's going to happen next year. Severely doubt it more chance of us signing messi on a free.

Can I use your time machine?

19-20 MUFC

Ok apologies spongebob I have seen you post here before. Please leave a name though because for the amount of trolls that post without a name your post won't be taken seriously. I still find it hard to believe that Pep would go to a club like city after managing a club like Barca. We are a much more similar club to Barca in terms of youth promotion and being family orientated.

Dan

I hope its is true as I will take the squad improvements over a new manager. I hope we do clear out some dead wood as well.

Shahram

28 Oct 2012 12:06:31
some news. Pep is coming to manchester but he's going to City. Mancini has to win the league this season after cocking up the champions league but given chelsea's form its looking unlikely. Hence the move for Pep. City have been appointing a lot of ex barca staff with another this week. Also Pep's put forward a shortlist which reads Busquets at the top followed by Thiago or Cesc whichever barca prefer to sell, Cole on a bosman amongst others.

This is surely a wind up. No name and I find it massively unlikely that Pep would want to go to a club like city, even if they are buying out a load of ex Barca staff.

Dan

Another easy job for pep.... Anyone who needs a break after a relatively short time in charge is 100% not what our club needs..... Ole's on his way boys

You were going well there until u mentioned cesc.....only yesterday peps agent was quoted as saying he wanted cesc piqué villa out of barca for him to carry on.....someone's telling porkies

Pep was the one that brought cesc to barca...

Balotelli will be out of city by next summer, maybe even January. I dont have a source for this but from Mancini and Marwoods statements it is nearly impossible for him to stay.

Dan

28 Oct 2012 01:54:10
'Manchester United are on course to reclaim the title of the richest club in the world, with an income of half a billion pounds within the next few years.'

Glazers aren't doing too bad, now if only they left that money within MUFC and not their deep pockets.

One ffp comes into play we could be doing very well

Sponsorship deals are doing wonders for us. We are the biggest club in the world and will show it with the size of the sponsorships. If we reduced ticket prices we could expand OT to a circa 90,000 capacity and still fill it!

Dan

It does not matter how much money is raised by the Glazer's....we exist to pay the debts of their business empire. There have been vast amounts of money made by Utd but we still have a massive debt against us.