Manchester United Rumours Archive April 29 2012

 

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29 Apr 2012 22:46:02
Manchester United suposed to be looking at buying the following (sources talksport and tibalfootball)

Lucas Moura - face competition from Real madrid
Kagawa - looking like a done deal
Clyne
Alba - Face competition from Barca
Hazard - Face competition from nearly everyone

i think all would be good but i think that if we dont get Alba we should go for Baines and instead of Clyne we should either get Walker (is spurs fail to get champions league) after an impressive season or Van Der Wiel after his transfer to valencia suposedly fell through.

Also think to add to that list should be James Rodregez (porto, spelling) or Iker Munian as they would be a great signing for us and Kaboul (again if spurs fail for champions league)

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You really have no idea do u!

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I'm almost speechless, except to mention that i'm almost speechless.

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29 Apr 2012 20:55:09
i believe that although we are still competing at the highest level, the majority of our players are kicking on abit in the age department. Due to this and many other reason i would love to see Sir Alex make these changes in the following 1 or 2 windows (i am aware he does not have a history of buying in January)
IN,
*Ter Stegen + Jack Butland (GK's)(Ter Stegen to challenge De Gea for No1 shirt, Butland loan out straight away)
*Kyle Walker - fast and powerful (england international for many years like Jones and smalling so good to pair all up now) also if spurs dont make the champions league he may want to move to a club has has
*Mat Hummels
*Jordi Alba (alba came from barca academy so may favour them, which case L.Baines or A.Cissokho, Also N.Boilsen had a trail with us other year but choose ajax, should relaunch attempts to bring to old Trafford
*Lucas Moura (Sao Paulo) Next biggest Brazilian prospect to neymar, Need to sort this deal before Madrid as could be our new Ronaldo
*Mario Gotze (signed a new deal with dortmund but if we lure teammates Hummels and Kagawa aswell as other top names we may be able to persuade him to join us rather than the Giants in italy and spain he is said to favour
* Christian Eriksen
*Eden Hazard (many have said nani looks like he may be getting itchy feet to move to a new European giant so i believe that we best get ready)
*Javi Martinez or Yann M'Villa or Kevin Strootman (Currently lack Roy Keane Figure we used to have , anyone of these could bring a similar feel to our midfield
*Philippe Coutinho (Scored 6 goals in 15games for the Brazil Unders, struggled to make way into inter first team, shined in spain, Great buy for future and could settle easy as da silva twins of similar age and also from RIO)
*Willian Jose (sao paulo) scored 5 in 15games for the Brazilian U20's, would be a great player to snap up early as looks like could be a big star one day (purchase and loan back to a team in brazil where he will get regular football) - Also Lucas Piazon of chelsea also came from Sao paulo and looks like a better star so may be a good idea to try and raid him
*Doumbia or Welliton (both fast and strong players whom seem to be goal hungry and have both got a history for netting goals)
OUTS
*lindergaurd
*Kuzack
*amos
*Vidic - as good as vidic is he has been struck with injury most the season and is now the wrong side of 30 and with juventus said to be interested i say we get the best we can to fund a bid for young Hummels. Also i know ferdinand is older but he has done well with evans so i think we should let him retire he so he can help us to give the young CB's experience
*Park - hardly used and kagawa plays similar roles
*Carrick
*Flecther (possibly give him one more season then sell him)
*Giggs – retire
*Anderson - Loan to build fitness back
*Berbatov
*owen
*Set up a deal with some clubs to send player out there on loan for a cut price to give experiance or consider making a B-Team like Barca have and everton where planning

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No. Terrible.

Percy

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B team? That's what reserves are for mate

LUHG

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I think u need to get more sleep mate

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We are not allowed to make a B team please do some research before posting. Thanks in advance. There is a lot of stuff in your post that makes me feel that you have had a bout of verbal diarrhea.

Walrus

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This is what i do in fifa :|
sell all old players then just buy loadsa young ones who have high potential
terrible idea to get rid of all our experienced players

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Why would we get a 'B-team' if we already have a reserve team :/
However there are some players you mentioned that i beleive would be good signings and possible for united i.e Walker, Hummels Alba and Lucas and with gotze having just signed a new contract that would give us a year to entice him. also i must say i dont like the fort of buying so many young keepers but i do like the fort of bringing Ter Stegen to old trafford seen as tho we missed out on neuer but i think i would also keep linderguard

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I'm going to ignore your "INS" list becasue it looks like you've just plucked a few names off FIFA12 or something.
But your "OUTS" are worth a reply.
Half those players are excellent players, Vidic is one of our few world class players. As is Rio, and you seem to be suggesting we get rid of them both. Madness.
Lindegaard is a great keeper, i assume you've never seen him play. Almost all his performances have been clean sheets. Carrick, class player, but if you don't understand that now, you never will.
Fletch, sorely missed this season. Our most improved player last season and would have made a difference this year.
Berbs and Owen are just as vital, but just not fashionable it seems.
Berbs especially. Oozes class. Owen is still full of goals, but he's not Spanish, or French, or Brazilian, just a plain old, Englishman with a track record for scoring goals.

Bob

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There is no logic behind this...
prime example is your comment about Vidic, you have pointed out about injuries and age, but then you say keep Rio, who is older and has suffered from injuries on a more regular basis. Vidic had a serious injury thus being out for the season. I am sure many people will want our club captain to stay

melwing28

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Are you INSANE?!

DodgyBanter

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29 Apr 2012 20:54:42
United and City have representatives watching Hazard tonight. If City are interested too I doubt we'll get him unless he chooses career over money and Hazard is the type of player to go for the money.

United Till I Die 1987

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That's because united leave it to late every time, how many times have we watche him 3 or four should be enough to see of he's what we want, but time after time fergie waits too late he did it with villa, he did it with ozil, khedera! etc tbh wouldn't stories me if we signed someone like Dempsey or Heskey or what about crouch!

LUHG

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In SAF defense i am sure he would like to see him play more than just a couple of times. standing out in one or two games doesn't demand a high fee. plus Hazard is playing in a different league, so him having to adapt has to be thought about. it's easy to look at players in our league as we see them every week. so i would be happy to look over any player from a different league several times

melwing28

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29 Apr 2012 19:53:27
An option for fergie would be to stick to players in the premiership which he has mainly done

They could go for a few youngsters and bring in 1 big player

Victor Moses 7-10 million
Joe Allen 5-8 million
Nathaniel Clyne 3 million

Then the big players could be Modric/Martinez/Hazard

There are players out there that are not high profile such as the costa rica left back, Bryan Oviedo 3-5, and Radja Nainggolan 5-7m of Cagliari they both look good players and alot of prospects.

Just wanted to see what people thought if were wernt going to buy big name players then who would be on your list????

will look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts?

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As a support striker we could look at Alan Pulido the young mexican would be available for 4-6m very similiar position play as rooney but obviously not the same quality or temprement

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People on this website always go on about modric being a big player against top teams ie us city Chelsea arsenal he never plays well in fact just after half time he actually disappears now I don't know what fergie thinks but im sure we can get better than him for the kind of money spurs would want ps jets hope we can beat city tomorrow and then we can all do a poznan diehard red 74

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Nainggolan is joining Juve at the end of the season, but he is a good player none the less.

In terms of price, I'd go for:

Kagawa £10-15m (assuming he is not signing a new deal)
Sigurdsson £10m (I know he's not going to inject pace but his set pieces and attitude sets him apart)
Clyne £3m (compensation)
Bryan Oviedo £3m (I think he'd provide healthy competition and wouldn't block some youngster's progression too much)
I see Henriquez or Pulido being brought in this summer.

I do think this all depends on who is leaving, If Pogba signs, we won't get a CM and go for the attacking options instead but if not I'm not sure who I'd buy for a reasonable dollar! I only really watch the french league and the prem properly, so Capoue from Toulouse is the only solid CM I could think that wouldn't be extortianate.

Sanshine

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Alrite sanshine,

I agree with you abotu Oviedo, plus he has played in europe with copenhagen.

Clyne is a good young player and seems he can play left and right (mainly right)

Capoue looks a good player and in a good age bracket, i watch a bit of the french league but not alot, is there any decent forwards we could bring in from france that are early 20's???

I am not sure about sigurdsson looks a good player but i think its to soon for fergie to buy him on the last 14 games, he has probably watching someone else for the last 4-5 months that we dont know about.

As for Kagawa i saw alot of him last season but i cant see where he would fit in to uniteds team, however i do think he is a top player

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Yeah, I had a watch and I don't think he'd set the world alight but would work hard and be a solid choice.

With regards to the forwards in France, I mean there's a few but no one that is really United worthy.

Aubameyang has been scoring for Saint-Etienne (the team I follow) but I think he's finally settled in a team. He was a really promising youngster, then turning into a bit of a nomad in the french league wandering from loan to loan.

Aboubakar was another promising youngster scoring on his debut etc, but can hardly find the net this season in a pretty poor Valenciennes side.

Jordan Ayew would probably be my pick of the bunch (if you forced me though), Marseille aren't doing great but he's 20 now, getting starts and looks a handful.

There's no early 20's strikers that have a decent tally though unfortunately! Niang and Nangis are prospects from Caen but that's about as far as it streches for me!

Sanshine

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29 Apr 2012 19:53:16
Hodgson approached for the England job, I think he could do a good job with England because he'll have a proper group of players, What do you guys think? Im Irish so it doesnt affect me, Just wondering would you be happy with him in charge

Dylan

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Yes you r right its all over skysports news

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I would rather have hodgson to redknapp as he has international managerial experience danny

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Think Redknapp's tactically naive for international management, I'd have Hodgson all day long.

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29 Apr 2012 19:21:25
Shinji Kagawa has rejected the deal from Dortmund as said by BVB director Zorc and he wants to play in England. Looks like this one is headed our way
-BIGRed

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There are twenty teams in the EPL, he could go to any 9 or 10 of them. Just because a player says he wants to come to England, doesn't mean he is Manchester United bound.

RedDevil19

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Don't be too confident just yet, Chelsea City and Arsenal will also be interested.

United Till I Die 1987

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29 Apr 2012 19:12:42
Hey all my MANUTD frndz..
Latest news :
'kagawa can join us in dis Txr window'

- Borussia Dortmund have confirmed that Shinji Kagawa has told them he will not sign a new contract, whilst they ruled out the sale of Robert Lewandowski.

23-year-old Kagawa has emerged as one of the top midfielders in the Bundesliga with Dortmund, but his current deal expires next year.

Dortmund have offered him a new four-year deal, but after growing tired of waiting for an answer they told him they wanted a decision by next week.

Now Kagawa, strongly linked with a move to England and particularly Manchester United, has told them that he will not be signing.

Sporting director Michael Zorc confirmed the news to Sky Deutschland.

"As of today he is not willing to extend his contract," Zorc admitted.

"I spoke to Shinji and his advisor last week and he is not willing to extend his contract with Borussia Dortmund.

"We have a Plan A and B and we will follow one of them.

"We won't gamble, but he has a specific career plan and he plans to play in England.

"We have to accept that, even if we don't find it good.

"While there is no economic need to sell him, he has a certain market value so we have to follow this with an economic sense.

"We will continue to have dialogue, but if another club expresses an interest then we will listen."
Lewandowski

Recent days have seen leading striker Lewandowski also linked with a number of leading English clubs.

But Zorc was quick to insist that he would not be allowed to leave.

"Robert will definitely stay with us, he is a complete striker and we need him," he said.

Lewandowski is in talks over a new deal, with his current contract running to 2014 - but reports in German claim that Borussia's first offer has been rejected...
What ur views ed002/004?
sorry 4 copy and pastd =yASh (india)

{Ed002's Note - This is an example of a misunderstanding of something said. It is clear from the statement from Dortmund that right now he will not sign the contract that has been offered. This is very far from "will not sign a new contract".}

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Didnt the BVB director say he wnt extend his contract? and they are luking for the right price for him. How is that different from "will not sign a new contract" ed? and darn it beat me to this post
-BIGRed {Ed002's Note - Fine.}

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Yea couldn't agree more with you 002, maybe he jst wants higher wages..! You never know, bt I think if he is interested in PL, then Utd should definitely go in for him. We should also get Honda & then simply play both of em together. The understanding the 2 guys hv is commendable. Anyone who hs seen Japan playing would agree with me. Nd I think both of em shouldn't cost us more than £25M, £32M max.. Both of them score goals too & Honda is a terrific dead ball specialist, nowhere near Beckie though in terms of freekicks, bt then again, players always get better in Utd..:)
After tht all we need to do is look for a quality forward & if money is available, get a LB too. Though I personally think Evra is off his game because of the absence of the Serbian. Too much pressure maybe..!

IBleedBlue

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I don't know Honda's free kicking ability is one of the best i've seen in a long time, has more than one technique. For example you see the one he scored in the world cup against Denmark? That was almost Ronaldo-esk style, he can also place it bottom right or left or top right or left, you name it.. He places it! haha no but seriously think about how many free kicks in the PL are standard curl into the near or far post. Hard to explain but there are countless videos of hundreds of his free kicks on youtube! But yes i agree them two players (Honda + Kagawa) are the core of an improving Japanese national team, both ooze class.

Ozwald

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29 Apr 2012 18:35:59
In terms of a young striker that would be affordable, i think this is the main list that we would be looking at:

Pozuelo
Pulido
Fierro
E. Torres
Henriquez

Who out of that lot, or another name that we have been linked with, would fit the bill? We may go for one of them as with Owen and Berbatov leaving with potentiall Keane, Cofie, King going on loan, who do you think would come in up top?

RedDevil19

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If we were to look at a young striker rather than a top quality one already at the peak then I would vote for Daniel Sturridge

Red Man

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It's not a case of them being affordable, it's more of a case of them being happy to sit on the bench and play in the reserves.

Cannot stand Sturridge, far too greedy and a poor decision maker. Surprised at this Red Man after your views on Nani.

Sydney!

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I would add probably Viktor Fischer maybe in the List too.

Shaun

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To be honest I don't think we need another young Striker. I would be more than happy to see the majority of our transfer money spent on an established striker/forward. Higuan would be my personnel choice, guaranteed goals with him....
HERBIE {Ed004's Note - The only concern I can think of in regards to Higuain is his speed. Is he quick enough for the style of play we want to play. I personally think he is, don't know if Fergie would though}

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IMO, we need to get a person who is willing to be on the bench & is an excellent striker. These 2 criterias can only be found in either players who are young & still developing or players who hv now aged & hv been through their peak times.
For me those people would be:
1) E Toress- Quality bt not proven in the PL.
2) Nikika Jelavic- Doing a wonderful job for Everton, bt I think Everton wouldn't give him out cheap.
3)Raul- Old, bt still has class. Can score & has good experience.
4)Huntelaar-Still a pain in defence, a good goal scoring record as well.
5)Drogba-If AVB ws still arnd, I'm sure he wouldn't mind leaving Chelsea, bt nw DM looks to hang on to him.
6)Lucas Barrios-Doing a great job at Dortmund, maybe he can do the same for us.
7)Lukaku-Failed to make his mark in the 1st team, bt I guess under SAF he could become one heck of a player.

IBleedBue

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Sydney

I have been very clear we need a top existing striker like Cavani, Higuain, Neymar rather than a young striker who might make it. In answer to a list of young strikers I mentioned Sturridge because he has worked well with Welbeck for England, is tall, has pace and is English.

Nani has had his chance over and again.

Red Man

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We need a world class striker cause if rooney gets injured where are the goals coming from? Welbeck? Hernandez? NO, forget about getting young strikers get a striker whos already got what it takes

LUHG

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Sturridge.... really....
would you as a top club or a top european club be worried if saw a team sheet that had Rooney and Sturridge up front, or Sturridge and Welbeck??
and if Sturridge has his is 'peak' as you say, would he get any better then? you really would be adding just a second or third choice striker to the team

melwing28

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29 Apr 2012 17:40:19
Ed002 - Which clubs have a confirmed interest in Modric? And do you know if United have contacted Kagawa's agent recently? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I suspect that Manchester United and PSG may be interested in Modric but that is all it is right now. The club would need to speak to Dortmund to do anything with Kagawa now - and they haven't.}

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Would you be surprised to see United talk to Dortmund over the next few weeks? Where do you see him ending up Ed?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - He says that a move to Manchester United would be impossible to turn down. I think that he may well stay on in Germany next season. Reinhard Rauball has made it clear that there still hasn't been contact with Dortmund from another club. It all seems a bit speculative - perhaps we will know more during the week.}

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I am really hoping that we don't push for Modric, only for his valuation. I would much prefer Eriksen now, but I'd imagine the likelihood of getting him is slim!

Gar

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'Gar'

Mods wouldn't cost £40m+ like many media sources think he would. I think he may be available for around £30m and that would be a steal if we could get 7/8/9 years out of him.

Sydney!

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Ed002 - With Kagawa telling the club he doesn't want to sign a new deal do you expect movement from interested teams over the next couple of weeks? When you say he may stay in Germany do you mean run down his contract or sign a new one?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - It is not a case of saying he does not want to sign a new deal, it is a matter of not signing what was offered. Dortmund will play hardball and see what happens. He may well siign a new one contract. Liverpool, Manchester United, Udinese, Spurs, Villarreal and Valencia have shown an interest in Kagawa this past few months but he said he would take an offer from Manchester United. We will see.}

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I've gone right off him this year due to his contribution to a Spurs team that played very well most of the season. So I wouldn't be too happy even at 30mill tbh. If we are to spend that kind of money on any player this summer, it has to be Martinez for me ( not that I think there is any chance of him joining the EPL).

Gar

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Ed002, did you not see Michael Zorc say that Shinji Kagawa wont sign a contract extension? Do you think they'll want to loose him for nothing next year? He always went on to say that his specific plans are to play in the PL! With Chelsea just agreeing to sign Marko Marin, the only other club I think could be in the running would be Arsenal? City would want to spend more money for a more prolific player..

Ozwald {Ed002's Note - It is hopeless trying to explain. I give up.}

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Nobody knows whats going behind the scenes at United so don't believe everything Ed says.

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Ed002 - Ah right, so it's a case of him rejecting that particular offer, not him saying he will not accept a higher one? Is it just a case of a contract negotiation going public and Dortmund seeing if they can keep him on a lower salary than he wants, using the media to try and get him to sign?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I doubt it is so cynical Syd.}

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'no name'

Ed deals in the facts, not the speculation. That is pretty comforting as the media always blow things out of proportion and Ed can confirm if there is any legs to the rumour.

Of course we would be very naive to think that 'sometimes' buying clubs do not speak to players via their agents first before contacting their club. We could have spoken to Kagawa to get his complete assurance that if we bid for him he would sign for us. Of course this is tapping up so it will never be made public knowledge.

Sydney!

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Well hang on a minute, you've got to look at two main things really -

Do you think during negotiations, Dortmund would give him a deadline to sign a particular offer? It's more likely that it's the final and only offer they'll put on the table. After all it's a dramatic increase in wages so it's not like money is the issue.

Secondly Marco Rues! He'll play in a similar sort of position to Kagawa, with Goetze already stating he is staying there at least another year maybe two. Kagawa will go from being a major influence this season playing every game to getting a much reduced game time next season with more competition.

He's already stated he would love to play in the PL more to the point a "Dream come true" if it were with United.. He's already won two Bundesligas titles at the age of 23, everything points towards a move this summer does it not?

Ozwald {Ed004's Note - Or they could play with an attack of Reus, Gotze, Kagawa and Lewodanski and that would extremely good imo.}

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Just wait and see, it's about the facts.

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Your wrong actually it's not about the facts so who ever is saying that i dont know why, it's about the speculation and only Fergie and United knows.

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What about Barrios? He's been out injured for the majority of this season yet they rate him highly there and have said he's not going anywhere. Then there is Blaszczykowski, Perisic who's been in fine form of late. Grosskreutz who plays often. They can't keep hold of so many players that play in the same positions, Kagawa just looks the most likely to go. Considering the profit they'd make on him only buying him for a bag of peanuts!

Obviously i'm not saying that he definitely will move, but putting everything into perspective it looks more likely he'll leave than he'll stay. Even watching him in the last game against Borussia Mochengladbach he didn't look fanatic after scoring or either after the game when celebrating their back to back titles!
Suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Ozwald

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'Oz'

They also have Sahin's replacement in Gundagon. So Dortmund are not short on midfielders.

Sydney!

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Indeed Syd, although Gundagon is more of a deep lying CM who's used to shield the back four. It was him and Kagawa that dominated Monchengladbach the other night. Really are a fantastic team to watch though :)

Ozwald

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Ozwald we defo don,t want them mate how would we pronounce their damned names

Pardoe

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29 Apr 2012 17:22:42
If you haven't seen already, Kagawa leaving dortmund possibly for Man united

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7715901/

Ozwald

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Would love him to come to us, I thought he was pretty much nailed on to sign a new deal though. I think it's between us and chelsea and with Chelsea buying Marin, I think it could be us!

Sandhine

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United, United, United!!

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29 Apr 2012 15:54:24
How is it that Chelsea have a deal wrapped up for Marin when the transfer window isn't open? Does this mean that we could also be working behind the scenes to secure deals in a similar fashion? {Ed004's Note - Yes, sure we signed Smalling + Hernandez before the transfer window opened.}

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The deal has been agreed but wont be completed until a specific date. Clubs can talk to other clubs all season long, players just cant be officially registered until the transfer window opens.

TK-Red

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We are very active right now trying to seal deals for players before they go to the Euro's (adds on an extra £10 million if a player a club is after does well on the international stage)

United Till I Die 1987

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29 Apr 2012 15:01:50
I think the latest rumours today tell us something, firstly i think that Fryers is close to signing on. If we have rejected an approach from Leicester (when they could get him for a free in the summer) it means that we are going to get him for me. Secondly, i think we are going to push through and signed Gylfi Sigurdson, the reason being is that he won't play every game. Rooney has said he likes playing in the whole, so if we signed Hazard it would push Rooney up top. So a 'squad' attacking midfielder like Sigurdson wouldn't go a miss. This all points to us going for a big central midfield signing, for me it could be either Martinez or Modric who both fit us very well.

Furthermore i think you can discount any high profile left wingers, Nani will be there for a good few years to come with Valencia on the right and Young rotating. I keep going back to someone like Vadillo for a potential winger signing, but i dont think that will be touched this year.

So looking at the summer sensibly, i can see up to three squad players coming in and a 'big' name central midfielder like Modric or Martinez. We could say Clyne, Sigurdson, Martinez and a striker like Wolfswinkel coming in. I think we will sign a forth striker if we go for a central midfielder instead of a top attacking midfielder.

RedDevil19

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29 Apr 2012 14:59:17
McLeish will probably survive the sack.
They need players.

3 players are allowed to come in on loan.

Fabio - they struggle for full backs and I'd prefer to keep him in the EPL.

Anderson - poor old Petrov will need replacing. It will also give us a chance to buy a midfielder and get him settled, Scholes & Giggs one more season plus Pogba, Cleverley & Petrucci to develop more. We can then run the rule over Ando to see if he can cut it with more playing time.

Macheda - always scores against Villa, could he score a bag full for them?

Not such a bad team Villa. The loan players would def be first team players I'm sure.

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Villa are pretty comfortable with Warnock at full back and if not Clark, so probably Fabio would be played at right back which is pointless as we will want him to be our left back. For me he has to play at left back, it looks as though he is going to Benfica, but i think Swansea or Wigan would be a good fit for him, they try to play an attacking, passing game like us so he'd come back and fit right in.

Wherevever he goes though he must get games, we can't have a situation like we have had with Macheda at QPR and Sampdoria.

As for Anderson, he is good enough to make the grade as long as he stays fit. Not one person slagged him off at the start of the season when he played well, he will come good, he just needs a run and a bit of luck. As for Macheda, he will never make it here, his attitude is rubbish and he is slow. Speed will be crucial in the team that SAF is building and Macheda simply won't fit into that mould.

RedDevil19

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29 Apr 2012 14:56:21
DANNY VS VAN NISTELROOY....cannot believe that danny's grown so much now.Take a look guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9SOUOiNHQ&feature=related

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

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29 Apr 2012 14:53:03
I saw fergie doing the big praise up for the welbeck/rooney partnership which with fergie almost everytime he ever does this before a match its game play&theres a change in line up,so I expect giggs to come in&welbeck on bench for tomoz nite,tighten it up in middle&the old heads to keep it calm, as for rest of team hope see mayb smalling in for da silva&reckon only other thing is young or nani&may come down to who's more likely to do the tracking back&helping Evra as Richards will try push forward for city which could be 2 vs 1 at times

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As much as you can rely on SAF to throw in some mind games, I dont expect giggs to start tomorrow, and I fully expect welbeck to.

He'd had a bad run but he's just started netting again, and played well in the cup at city earlier in the year.

I think carrick and scholes will start, in a 442, or atleast I hope.

TM

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Why would you want giggs to start in what is such a big game?

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29 Apr 2012 14:37:47
All the FACTS been said by Club, MUtv, Fergie, Gill or United staff.
It'll be a busy summer with 3 possible players coming in.
"we like to get deals done asp"
Fabio & W.Keane are going on loan.
We WANT to keep Pogba (big plans for him)
Upset with how Anderson hasn't met his potential.
Upset with how Macheda's two loan spells have worked out.
Owen seems to get long lay off with injuries.
Gaitan is NOT, repeat NOT coming to UTD (Crerrand Show)
Laughed off the interest in Strootman being "new" Keane.
"I've watched Hazard as well as others"
"I can see how people resemble Modric to Scholes"
"we like to bring players through the academy, I don't think that will change"

All Facts & quotes from United.
I personally think he's lost patience in Anderson, Macheda & Owen. Hazard is a smokescreen for the possible transfer of Gaitan. Pogba, Petrucci and Fryers will be the academy players talked about that will get game time next season.

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I agree that Pogba and Fryers will get game time, but i fancy to Petrucci to get at least 6 months loan time under his belt. Keane will spend a whole season at a first or second flight club. The player we may see is Tunnicliffe. Anderson will get more chances, Macheda, Owen and Berbatov won't. Gaitan won't be coming in i don't think, Strootman may since we laughed it off. Very little chance of seeing Hazard, urmm, and 3 or 4 will come in with more than that leaving.

RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - I can see SAF signing a left back, a central midfielder and either a left winger or striker or CAM}

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Fergie is probably disppointed at Ando's progression, like all of us.
But as has been pointed out, when he is fit and playing regularly (in a more natural position) he is top draw. I expect (hope) he will be given the chance to shine with Cleverly.

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Which left back do you think though ed? Cissokho on loan?

RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - Izaguirre}

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Has the Pogba situation changed?

I can still see him going

Pardoe

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29 Apr 2012 14:19:55
Apparently we've offered kagawa 96k a week, I doubt it. Don't see why we would offer that much when he's on about 40k at dourtment. I don't even think we will sign him he's too lightweight for the premier league in my opinion. I'd love ozil he's my favourite CAM outside the prem, I'd happily pay 25m+ for him but that's just me.

Anon {Ed002's Note - No club has approached Dortmund about Kagawa yet.}

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I hate how people say "he's too light weight for the prem"... well scholes, modric, silva they are all light weight and yet they are probably the best players in the prem.

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The only midfielders better than shinji kagawa at united at the moment are carrick and scholes, and that's largely due top to the vast experience the two have. he's better than everyone else. if he comes, he'll be a quality addition. those that just make statements without thinking better watch him in a full game at dortmund. he's immense! without him (after the injury to mario gotze), he played a pivotal role in dortmund's second league triumph. also, quality players usually adjust to any environment, just like david de gea has.

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Dortmund have offered Kagawa about £95k a week which they say is triple what he earns at the moment. He is one of the best midfielders in Germany, don't doubt his ability until you've watched him enough. It doesn't really matter if you're lightweight, if you have good ball control then you can't get pushed off the ball as such otherwise it'll just be a free kick? Seriously people need to stop dreaming about Ozil! Ronaldo just a few weeks ago said "the reason i score so many goals is because of Ozil". Do you really think they'd sell a player who has such an influence that their best player laminates is ability to assist goals? Kagawa was scouted by United last summer, he's a realistic signing for many reasons I could state if you want?

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At what point did I say we would sign ozil? I said I love him as a player and I'd happily pay 25m+ I also love Ronaldo and would pay 70m+ doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Anon

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'Ozwald', i think you meant 'laments his ability', not laminate. Two completly different things a.

RedDevil19

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JK92 hits the nail on the head.
Well said.
Too light weight? is that just a euphamism for not good enough? if it is, just say so.
The Premier League history books are littered with miniature players that ripped up pitches up and down the country.
Gianfranco Zola could have lived in my coat pocket he was so small, but he was outstanding. Many other too.

Bob
(Cheers for the tip Ed :))

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He is a different player to the likes of silva and scholes he relies on pace and running at people not picking out 40 yard passes.

anon

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Iv never seen silva pick a 40 yard pass out, and he is always running at defenders!
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29 Apr 2012 13:28:12
Anderson is off in the summer, not sure where to but he's off. Such a shame as he had huge potential but he's just never really shown it bar the odd match or two. I'd expect more than just one CM/AM signing in the summer. Looks like Kagawa could be one I wonder who the other(s) are?

United Till I Die 1987

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I think Anderson will be used in the Gaitan deal like Fabio (loan). Anderson wants to move back to Portugal and I think Gaitan could be a direct replacement. Both are left footed, left sided midfielders. Personally I would prefer Garcia from Benfica and Oezil/Hazard. Garcia can play CB so that would kill two birds.

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It would be a shame, i honestly thought the way he started the season this was going to be his year. Like you say though he hasn't shown it often enough and he is very injury prone. I would have thought we'd take a big loss on him too, £10 million tops.

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People criticise Anderson for not living up to his potential however, it isn't just Anderson's fault he isn't the player he should be. While he has obviously been injured alot and also visited KFC one to many times I feel it is also down to where he has been played and the way he is used in a game. When we bought him everyone thought we had the new Ronaldinho with pundits in Portugal calling him a genius etc but the vast majority of the time he has been utilised by us in a box to box role which wasn't his game. IMO he could have been a world class attacking midfielder but we converted him into a more traditional central midfielder which coupled with Andersons injury problems and weight problems means he hasnt lived up to his potential. Quite ironic that we are all crying out for an Ozil, Hazard kind of player when we actually have someone who could have been at that level in our squad.

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Rjmanutd....agreed.
He was an outstanding AM when we bought him. But playing him as we do doesn't allow him to show any of natural talent.
He's had to muddle through, tackling, defending and sitting back....that's not his game.
So if people want to knock Ando, you should also knock Fergie for using him the way he does.

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29 Apr 2012 12:57:35
Think back to August Man.city, WBA, Arsenal, Spurs, Bolton (briefly before Kevin kicker Davies)

Cleverley & Anderson were the dream team in the middle of the park. Quick passing, movement, one - twos, three - fours even. Working positions to get shots in. Anderson & Cleverley look like they've got assists & even a few goals in them.

They were also conceding at least 10 shots at our goal a game though.

Sir Alex doesn't want to prevent the talents of Pogba, Petrucci & W.Keane coming through by buying his 3rd maybe 4th choices.

They'll be one important arrival & Fergie has seen personally what this man mountain can do.
To get this done swiftly United won't mess about €32 is his buyout and that will be met. Signed, sealed, delivered.

He'll have a good Euros so If we wait we could/will lose out

Welcome to Manchester Javi Martinez.

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At the age of 22 he'll definitely block te progress of Pogba. If Pogba buggers off to Turin then this could be a possibility. But if we're already having plans to do it, no wonder Pogba is reluctant to sign!

Ozwald {Ed004's Note - If Pogba is good enough he should force his way onto the team not expect to be given a starting place automatically for next season. Also why couldn't they play together? Different types of players}

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Long term I think a combination of Pogba and Martinez in the middle would be enough to dominate almost any other midfield in the world.

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - So do I with Rooney ahead of them with Higuain ahead of him lol... I can't see it happening though}

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The one so called big name signing i would be happy with.
The type of player that we need so much more than the other glamorous attacking players people are dreaming of.
I expect this, or a player of this type to be our main deal of the summer.
Big money spent elsewhere would be a waste imo.

Bob

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Hope it's true. I'd be happy if we paid more than 32 though.

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If you watched both legs of the europa semi bilbao were lost in the 1st leg without martinez ,would be a great signing but i think he will have his pick of big teams this summer and if they start a bidding war i dont think we will compete.
johndenton {Ed004's Note - That was highlighted awhile back. If he can dictate the play from centre back for Bilbao what could he do in midfield at manutd. I rate him so highly....}

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29 Apr 2012 13:49:37
Lad's, Ed's, just wondering if anyone has heard any update on Pogba's contract situation? It's been over a week since SAF said United had agreed a deal with his agent and it was now up to the kid to decide where he wants to play! Nothing seems to of developed though since?

Just wondering because I think Pogba's situation will determine the type of CM we go after in the summer?

Thank you in advance.

Ports

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If pogba signs, we will go for hazard or someone like attacking midfielder.
If pogba goes, we will buy top quality CM like Martinez and we could go for Gaitan or someone affordable around £20M.

This is what i think.

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29 Apr 2012 12:40:16
People are saying we need a LB desperately.
I don't think this is the case.
Evra never seems to get injured, is always in the top 3 apps a season.

Okay his positioning and all round defending has been without doubt dodgy of late. I think setting some demons straight by playing well for France at the Euros & handing back the responsibility of captaincy to Vidic will sort this.

Evra will play the majority of games next season and will be back to his best. Non believers should get off his back.

CLASS IS PERMANENT after all.

Fryers will get some cup games & if Evra (god forbid get a knock) we just recall Fabio from loan. Even Evans plays well for N.I at LB. Clyne played LB for the England 21 Squad.

We are covered.

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Class is permanent I agree, but age, losing that yard of pace and positioning is the Patrice Evra of late. Yeah he makes the most appearances every season, that's not hard when there's no one there to compete with! Legend in my eyes but needs replacing unfortunately. He has cost us a fair few goals this season with sloppy defending.

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It's his work rate and willingness to run back and defend which has become the problem. Whether it be his age or just not being bothered who knows but he's at fault for many goals, even SAF has mentioned this fairly recently. Two goals we conceded against Everton last week came in off that side.. who was trying to defend the cross from coming in? Nani! Where was Evra? Half a mile up the pitch walking back.. Need a young LB to show 110% effort, making a name for himself who will want to defend at any given opportunity to show what he's worth. Watching Jordi Alba against Atletico Madrid the other day in the Europa league, he looks the perfect replacement but i think he wants to stay in spain, while Barca need a new left back.. don't need a calculator to work that one out!

Maybe Cissokho could be bought it? would cost about £6-8m for a proven LB at the age of 24. He already stated his desire to join us. Who knows..

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Trouble is, these days everyone thinks they should be a United scout.
They see a player have a good game or two and get carried away.
Likewise, when a player for us has a dodgy spell, people seem to demand throwing that player in the bin.
Evra has been and still is an extremely vital player for us. He's been the mainstay in what has been another often makeshift defence this season. If he gets caught out of poistion, other players should drop in...but they don't, unless Rooney can get there. Evra is an attacking LB, that's why we bought him and he adds no end to our threat down the left. Attacking full backs do get caught out from time to time. That's the nature of the way they play, to suggest binning him for it is just ludicrous.
Head and shoulders above most other LB's for me and i wouldn't swap him for anyone.

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Well don't you think that all the while we have a "make shift" defence he should be prioritises staying in a more defensive role. It's not like SAF tells him to get forward as much as possible either as why would he publicly say Evra has been at fault for a few goals this season? The fact is with Evra he's just like Alex Song in the way they naturally enjoy attacking when their priorities should be defending. I'm not saying that Evra isn't good at going forward, he is still probably in the top 3 left backs at doing that! BUT without Vidic this season, this United team we've had have conceded more goals than any other United team since the PL starting back in 1992. Do you think what he's doing as a 31 year old experienced professional is a good idea? Not quite. Don't get me wrong he's a great person, amazing influence off the pitch hence why he is our captain. But you can't deny at the age of 31 his legs are starting to go and he can't keep up with a lot of counter attacks. I think when we had Vidic playing every game it made Evra look more useful (defensively) than he actually is.

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Evra has forgotton how to defend his positional awareness has been very poor for 2 seasons,he,s ok going forward but doesnt bust a gut to get back and defend.
johndenton

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I think you're being a bit harsh on him to be honest.
I won't disagree that he's been caught out a few times this season, but it's been a tough season. We're not our normal slick selves, we're spending more time than usual on the back foot it seems, i think our problems are in MF. With a stronger MF the defence is better protected. Our back four has been exposed badly at times, thanks to a tackle free midfield.
I like Evra and i hope we keep him. Still got a lot to give.

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29 Apr 2012 12:12:21
One rumour heard in the my local is that United are looking at Jordi Alba from Valencia. Does this mean Evra could be on his way out? {Ed002's Note - Alba will almost certainly move to Barcelona.}

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Alba will be signing for barca, he is going to be the new managers first signing

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No way, Alba is a Barcelona player now unfortunately.

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29 Apr 2012 12:11:35
I think united will sign douglas costa, a long term united target/interest, that boy is talented, and also javier martinez of bilbao who is quality..

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I agree totally with you mate! Add van wolfswinkle and clyne and we will be awesome! Happy days
Saj

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29 Apr 2012 11:59:39
Quadiola to come in as fergies number 2 after a year out then will replace fergie a year later, giving him time to get to know the players and back room staff ETC,

Not a rumour just my thoughts

LUHG

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Rum rum....eeeeehhhhh.....ruummmm.

Ohhh, Guardiola?

Sorry, couldn't help myself ;)

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Pass us some of what your smoking!

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Not JUST your thoughts, as this has been a rumour for a couple of years now..

Would be really good in my eyes, but after seeing him and Mourinho battle it in Spain (almost like they have been fighting it out not just for the best Spanish team title, but for the United spot to)

Mourinho, in my eyes has oust him this year!!

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Think Guardiola is good enough not to be anybodies number two these days, don't you?

Bob

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Yeah auto spelling! I've been smoking nothing mate, what manager can you seriously think of rather than guadiola (spelling) and the special one that can come I and take over from fergie and still maintain a status as the best English team there is, cause we haven't got the money that city have, Chelsea, and even spurs so there going to keep strengthening, so wee need a manage that will have an impact in the dressing room, tactically is great, and also has experience at the top level, and for me there the only 2 that come close, sure there are other managers who might be OKAY eg moyes, blanc, and the baby faced assasing

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29 Apr 2012 11:13:25
Olégend is coming back to Man United to replace Mike Phealen for Pre-Season

2 seasons as Fergies number two and he'll be a certain possibility for the hot seat.

Giggs has been taking his badges and could become Solkjærs assistant.
When Sir Alex moves upstairs.

Promotion from within seems to be the winning formula ala Barcalona.

Solksjærs dominance with the United reserves & the capabilities to make Champions of his small home town of Moldé have only strengthened his CV.

Plus the added bonus of being a club LEGEND.

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Hope thats true

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Would f*ckin love that to happen! andyred

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Would love to see Ole as no. 2 for next season! More likely than Guardiola being assistant anyway, and I can imagine him being more imaginative and progressive than Phelan

Is this reported in the papers then?

Gav

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Fergie had this planned all along, Olé was/is a tactical genius. Sat on the bench as a player looking for weaknesses & gaps in the back 4 to make an impact as a super sub. Wouldn't be surprised if Wolf Eikrem pulls on the red shirt again. He's been a revelation at Moldé.

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I'd love Ole back at OT, but like many other people I feel Moyes will take over 2014 - 2015 season. if Fellani can play like he did against us for 75% of the time, I wouldn't mind him for 15-20million this season. He's 200% better than Rodwell.
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O.G.S would be a great and the best choice. He's knows the way we play Attack, Attack, Attack. He won't mess with the new team that Fergie builds. Plus in the two seasons time when he takes over he'll know all about Pogba, Petrucci, Fryers, Tunnicliffe, Brady, King & the Keane twins
That might be in & around the first team 11 from his reserve manager days. Fergie didn't want him to go to Moldé. He went won the league and now he's back.........

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Bring back Oli to work with Sir Alex and also get Carlos Q as his No.2, we have not played very well since he left Club

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29 Apr 2012 10:47:13
Sigurdsson to United 10 million.

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Wow!! what a rumour.. now we all united fams are very exctied for next season..

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Have you watched him recently? Obviously not !!

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I'd have him at the club,quality and young. wouldn't be demanding first team football all the time either. snap him up,he'll be worth triple that in a year!! andyred

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Just becase Mike Phelan and Martin Ferguson were at the Swansea Bolton game! Just one of the hundreds of players that are watched.. -.-'

Ozwald

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Ed, what do you think of this signing? {Ed004's Note - I think he would be an awesome squad player but not quite good enough for someone who should be starting in our midfield}

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Great player wouldn't mind him at United but I think United are looking at better players to be honest.

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29 Apr 2012 10:31:12
{Ed022's note - brand new player profile on Higuain of Real Madrid. Looks likely to leave this summer, with a whole host of clubs monitoring the situation. You all know the link, cheers all! By the way United fans, you have 004 to thank for this profile, as he fought for it like an utter breast haha!}

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29 Apr 2012 09:04:44
eden hazard signed for man utd for £27 million euros. The move was sealed a week after fergies trip to watch lille. Hazard is expected to report to preseason training at united in july.

Also, Patrice Evra is expected to leave as man utd have told his agent to lookout for interest from other clubs.

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Both these rumours were lifted from a twitter account that started these rumours last week.

Simon

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What's your source of info on this?

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I'm sure we will sell and loan our two left backs. False!

JJR

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Another non starter.

did that come to you in a dream last night?

Yawn.

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Pointless post, Hazard is worth so much more and evra cant be sold with fabio already being loaned

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Brilliant how you know this info and sky sports news, bbc etc are none the wiser.

SteUTD

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29 Apr 2012 09:01:25
According to sources in France, Eden Hazard prefers United over any other team in England. I'm not reading too much into it though because other players (Nasri, Sanchez, Modric) have all said the same thing before.

SAF did have scouts in France 2 weeks ago for the Lille game to watch Hazard. Price tag will be around £40 million if Lille realise the potential this player has.

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He isn't worth £40 million. More around the £30M mark.

JJR

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