Manchester United Rumours Archive August 29 2012

29 Aug 2012 21:56:37
berb looks set to sign for fulham

i think that may raise the question were we ever really serious on dembele ?
jred

I am not sure we were towards the end mate. The club made a small offer some weeks ago which was confirmed by Fulham and Ed, but obviously the manager was not committed to paying his release clause amount or something has changed between then and now? Is the manager happy with what he's got? Is he interested in a different midfielder? Are our hands tied due to players not being offloaded in time? Is the manager just rebelling against the fans and media who keep harping on about a midfielder? Have we already got a deal in place for Herrera? It's a strange one that I would love to know the answer to.

Sydney!

Heard we are in for walcott-nani swap. Is it true? Any word on this ed?

If true it would we great because eventhough walcott is much like nani hit and miss player, he has that familiar partnership with RVP which result in many of RVP goals.

29 Aug 2012 21:45:31
I know the under 21's won tonight but could someone fill me in on how everyone played? Cheers

Caolán.

All looked good to be honest. Went at Spurs right from the off and played at a good tempo all game.
Tunni tackled hard. King skinned their fullbacks all night. Macheda made a nuisance of himself. Brady looked good, some good wing work.
Lindegaard pulled off an amazing double save. Shades of Big Pete in his heyday!
Buttner played ok, put some good balls in on a couple of occassions.

All round a good show i thought.

Also good to see Fletch and Evans playing.

RedMist

It was 2-0 to us, joshua king looked really quick and lively and lindergard (keeper) made some amazing saves. buttner(spelling) looked a little careless but very skillful :) fergie was there watching and all

Tarrant77

Buttner excellent,will b a star at ot,evans,fletcher and lindeguard were the other stand out performers aswell as macheda getting the goals,ooh powell played well too

Lindegaard- great double saves, bad distribution.
Wootton- looked lost at RB
M.Keane- solid at CB
Evans- Brilliant positioning.
Buttner- his clearance headers were played back in the danger zone. Good forward, needs work on defending.
Fletcher- was cream crackered after 25mins 1st half & 2nd half.
Powell- nowt special 5 best midfielder in reserves after Tunn, Petrucci, Cole, Lingard.
Tunnicliffe- crunching tackles, great engine, showed leadership (Roy Keane Sshhh!)
Bradey

Cheers guys.

Caolán.

U must have watched a different game! Second half, fletcher tuniclliffe Powell did not touch the ball. Butner made three headers that went straight into trouble. Evans looked good. King will not make it. We won 2-1.

The way I look at the reserves is like this....
Pogba was our best midfielder & didn't get a sniff against Blackburn when Park & Rafael played CM.

Carrick is deployed as CB when M.Keane & Wootton are waiting in the wings.

Brady was tried out at LB when we need a left footed LW.

So no matter how much talent we have in M.Keane, Thorpe, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Cole, Lingard, King, W.Keane. None of these players will be thrown in like yest ur years Nevilles, Becks, Giggs, Scholes ect.

I am sure it was 2-1?

Think the judgment of Powell by Bradey is a bit harsh. Not that you can judge him on one performance but I think he will have a better career for United than all 4 of them players put together.

GDS

Buttner played well, cleared an effort off the line. He looks a skilful player. Powell played well and should have scored. King was fast and got into good positions.
Mario Q

Powell had a decent game. Good movement, good link up play, he just missed a couple of decent chances.
But he's clearly a class act who's going to be a big player for us in the coming years.

29 Aug 2012 19:31:57
Dimitar Berbatov has rejected Fiorentina and Fulham, to agree a move to Juventus.

29 Aug 2012 19:07:30
theres reports that witsel and gaitan are in manchester any truth or not? EE

Must not be taken in! That is my mantra for the rest of the week.

MDJ

My mate insists he saw them this morning, im not too convinced to be honest though bud, fergie has said himself no more signings so all this transfer talk is rubbish! wont believe it untill i see the signiture

Tarrant77

They could be going to city?

Caolán.

Yes signing for city.i mean why would they choose second best

29 Aug 2012 18:14:48
Guys why dont we sign scott parker.
Spurs are trying to sell him.his wages arnt expensive and he would be vauled around 10million.

Please no, he's rubbish mate.

Can not see us getting anywhere in europe will be lucky to avoid thursday night on 5 again team not strengthened really where we need and all the other teams have bought well. I fully expect this to be our worst season in the EPL

He is 31 years old.

-Def3

Wow your optimistic sure your not a city fan? ee

We boss games most of the time so he would be a waste as he is negative with the ball and bad with it - no aerial presence or pace either. That means we would only use him against teams that dont counter attack us, and he isnt good enough to combat those players. We need a monster or nobody - Phil Jones would be better anyway.

Sween

Blimey no name reply #2.
"worst season in the EPL"?
To quote a wise man...get a grip.

Get yourself down to the Spine shop and grab one quick, unless you can grow one?

Terrible attitude for a fan to have.

RedMist

Coz he's bobbins?

TAP

Maybe be a bit over the top - but let's face it City & Chelsea look like they will ber very strong and we look a bit ropey, so it could be possible we finish third. Which would be our worst performance for a long time. I still think we'll win it though, but I wouldn't bet much this year. Transistion season for me, last for Fergie.

Sween

Lucky to get fourth

Yes, let's buy parker 'cos he will really show the likes of xavi, alonso and toure how to boss a game

Andrew B

29 Aug 2012 17:42:14
Just want to get an idea of where people's heads are at regarding the final few days of the window. Not that this is likely, but lets says the only way we could hi jack the bid for Dembele would be to give Nani to Spurs at 18 mil, less than what he's worth...but it would mean we'd get Dembele. As I say, completely out of the question this kind of deal happening...but would people go for it?

Andy!

Dembele has signed for spurs

Considering he has agreed terms with Spurs, that seems highly unlikely

No, because we would still need to replace Nani with another winger. Preferably someone who can actually play left wing and then have Ashley young as back up for both wings. Can't see us doing both.

29 Aug 2012 17:16:51
I have a gut feeling that Witsel will be joining by Friday. I don't think we were in for Dembele and he was just over hyped due to the Fulham game. Looking forward to Southampton game as well!

-JakeW

Good job our next gme is after the window closes, otherwise we will be buying half of the Saints team in a weeks time.

With that said, Witsel in sounds like the perfect end to a great transfer window.

MDJ

Not having a go mate, but there is no chance of this happening. Think we've got to accept that we're done till January, when we MIGHT see Herrera join us.

Scrud101

Perhaps it's wind?

AJH

I have a feeling that we will sign no one and fergie will say that getting fletcher back is like a new signing.

that has not played in a year due to illness, will never be the same player again

"Dembele reminds me of Yaya Toure, Strong, fast, good touch and positive runs. Hope we get him, he is just what we need.

-JakeW" -
Yes he has been over hyped, especially by you
Invisible Stuey

29 Aug 2012 16:49:39
Dembele has now signed for Spurs. That is a great signing for them. Witsel could be our last hope. Could we go for Witsel & Gaitan and give them Anderson, cash and Hernandez on loan?

Sydney!

You've lost the plot syd!
Q

Macheda on loan maybe instead? (TheInvisibleMan)

Anderson is going nowhere! I always get the impresion that Fergie would play himat every given opportunity. It is only his injuries that have keepen him out.

I know I am going to get slated for this, but Anderson is the midfielder most of the fans on here seem to want. He just needs to stay injury free and I guess, at the end of the day, that is the main problem.

MDJ

I don't think its likely Syd! Henriquez and Anderson are more likely to be offered, but I think Witsel may come, but almost certainly not Gaitan.

RedDevil19

Don't you think that with Rooney being out then Hernandez will be needed Sydney? Perhaps a loan in January? I would love Witsel because he can play holding or attacking cm, a true cm and one that would have a long future with us.

Dan

Lets not forget that Nani may go.

So much for other offers for him.. seriously spurs had a better mid-field than us last season and if they get all their targets in they will have a better one again......

really hope that someone is lined up or fergie starts some of the youth players that are coming through...... although the best one has now left

Clueless.

Lets give em Hernandez on load now Rooney is out for two months, at least.

Anderson? It's like people only hear what they wanna hear with Fergie. He's said on numerous occassions that Anderson has a big part to play. If he can stay fit, him and Clevs will become just what we need.

But, if improvement comes without spending, some people just aren't interested.

RedMist.

We are finished in the transfer market. As SAF said, even though the more desperate didn't want to believe it.

I think our midfield is weaker than we would like so I expect that we will struggle a little against the better teams. We will be competative but I think we all know that we are a little short.

Pip

I would rather have Anderson and Hernandez than WItsel and Gaitan. I think you are desperate for another signing Sydney
Invisible STuey

Anderson is the new reserve goalie...he's just going to lie in the goalmouth - there will be no room to get a ball past him. Thank you, I'm here all week.

AJH

Midfield is very short on steel. Dembele would have been perfect fit. Anderson overweight as always and we keep giving him a chance. Will anyone get chances at work for five years if they were not performing? Fergie lost it.

Anderson - already been in a United short too long.
Hernandez - loan move may be best option for him, i.e. a full season hopefully as first choice somewhere else to really bring him on. Yes Rooney is out for 2 months so less likely but we also have RVP, Welbeck, Henriquez, Kagawa and judging from Crewe's latter games of last season Powell too ? Assuming Berbatov is on his way out and theres Macheda and Bebe we are assuming are surplus to requirements / on their way out.

Leave Young Sydney alone. The boy's talking sense!

Halesini

Why do people keep saying Hernandez will be going... He's played none stop football with World Cups, Copa, Premier League... Giving this year he would have had a break he will be in better shape for this season... He always conducts himself well too.. In fact he will start against Southampton this weekend.. If any of our strikers go I'd rather it be Macheda...

Youngblood

29 Aug 2012 15:38:54
I'm told that we are about to increase panic levels at Spurs to capture the 2-3 players they desperately need by gazzumping there bid for Dembele.

Watch this unfold over the next 24 hours...

Scotty G

Clearly we are not trying to sign him as we would have heard something by now. Our interest would have been public knowledge by now. Either the manager wants someone different or we will not be signing a midfielder.

Sydney!

Or just wait the 1hr. Lol just been confirmed by Spurs as a signing. Nice work

Funnt that because from where im sitting it appears to be edging ever closer!

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

Might be a struggle, i think they have signed him, LOL

MDJ

We are not going to be signing anybody! SAF is ready to give Anderson and TC another go and we haven't got the funds until will sell. Personally think Anderson is just as good as demebele if he can stay fit, one good half and everyone thinks demebele is Pele!

2 hours later dembele signs for spurs.

Caolán.

29 Aug 2012 14:18:45
Nani to Zenit 22m and Walcott to us 14m.

Last minute dealing to be done!

ManUtdmicK

Walcott is not 2/3 of the player Nani is.
One trick (speed) pony, and that will fade with time.
even worse decision making.

never mind, can't believe it anyway

Jonny8

Please no. Cant see what Walcott would have to offer United. Dont need another striker and he cant cross.

I would be very disappointed to see that happen.

Sydney!

50% possible, I suppose.

DarkLard08

How'd you pull that one out your arsenal?

Pardoe

He's a longtime Liverpool fan so thats where he'll be going, Not that I want at United anyway, Rather have Gaitan. (TheInvisibleMan)

This would ruin what has (in my eyes) been a very succesful transfer period.

Not a Nani fan, but I would take him over Walcott every time.

MDJ

Shut up!
Walcott is even more inconsistent than Nani.

Simmo

Really?
Walcott?
Awful player, really awful.

I'm really, really, hoping Citeh buy him.

RedMist

Give Larnell a chance. He will be better than Walcott!

Dan

Walcott is a one trick pony? Well then what is Valencia, get to the touchline and cross it thats all he does and thats all Walcott does, Valencia is class and Walcott is still only 22

RedKnight

I think we're more likely to bring Bobby Chalton out of retirement.

Ozwald

Pardoe
I see what you did there ;)

Nani to go and Walcott to go to the scousers or City and it would be perfect for me. Our football will be so much better when Nani finally gets on his rat mobile out of town.

Sween

Nani out will be long overdue but less sure about Walcott in. Arsenal fans seems to think his work-rate is questionable although to be honest if he were a direct squad replacement for Nani he'd be 1000% better just by turning up!

I can see Walcott being a potential 'Glazer' buy tho, i.e. only 22yo so will have re-sale value and a relatively cheap £14m hence if does turn into the next best thing its either a great asset acquired cheaply or has good re-sale value in 3 or 4 years time. Think Walcott will leave the Arse but I imagine Liverpool may be a more logical destination.

Halesini

29 Aug 2012 13:42:31
So I'm hearing Berbatov is on his way out to join Fiorentina. Apparently he has agreed personal terms with them and a deal will be announced soon.

I would be ecstatic if this was true!
He is a fantastic player and doesn't deserve to just sit on the United bench.
I also feel that if he were sold it would release funds so we could make a last minute bid for the defensive mid we've all been crying out for.
Fingers crossed.

Nik Legend SA

He's going to Juventus

29 Aug 2012 12:57:38
Zenit St Petersburg have failed in their attempts to sign Hulk from Porto this window and will not carry on their pursuit of the player.

They are now willing to meet the valuation on Nani believed to be around £25 million. If the player is sold, Utd will look to re-invest in a wide position before the close of the window.

RedKnight

Where is the hulk news coming from as ESPN is reporting it is a done deal and he is going to Zenit. Shahram

Nani out Munian in!? Him and De Gea are best mates!

Dan

Just what we need...more wide players. NOT!

Simmo

Dear Baby Jesus ... please make this one happen :)

Halesini {Ed002's Note - An old FAmily Dog adage was "may the baby Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind".}

29 Aug 2012 12:21:52
Van Velzen & Giverin on their way to Royal Antwerp on loan.

Sydney!

29 Aug 2012 11:34:08
I dont think anymore players will be coming in. I expect Berbatov, Macheda and maybe Bebe to leave.

Dylan

29 Aug 2012 05:44:31
So as i said yeasterday.. Totnham r fav to sign dembele.. Because of money. Utd bid did not gone up more than 13.5m.. When spurs offeed 15m..i said this yeasterday that fulham want atleast 14m. They got 15 and with achievment it can get to 17m. Personal terms were never a problem.
Anyway i met some1 at carrington today and i asked why utd is not addressing midfield general problem or they are trying. I got only 1 reply " fletcher is back" so fergie is realy not buying now. Dont hope on 2 more days. Thank u eds and fello posrers for there time and infos.. Thats our end in this window.
I wish i get proven wrong and all of u laugh on me. But if something happens i wil be hapy to digest it.
Rodio17

I'm glad that we've got such a reputable, well spoken individual to keep us informed of such matters.

rpc

I call BS, but if you are telling the truth and SAF is refusing to buy because of Fletcher - who with all due respect, still looks like the living dead and has a 1% chance of reaching the same standards he once held (totally not his fault and I feel for him, but sometimes a spade is a spade).......then game over.

Personally, I think SAF thought he could nip in at 11:59am with £8m plus Macheda or similar and get his man. Either way, another one passes us by and we'll regret it.

RED_SKY

Typical of the Glazers to only do half a job just to keep the fans happy enough so they buy season tickets. If we sold Nani and Berba then this would pay for Dembeli OR ARE WE TRYING TO RE-COUP THE MONEY SPENT TO DATE?
Next season Rooney will be sold to finance more half jobs?
Well I for one will not be watching them as much this season because we will get pasted by rubbishty,chelski. Spurs, Everton, Liverpool and Arsenal. And by the time this happens we may invest in a quality CDM.
Are we the richest club in the land? Or are we Everton in disguise?
RED BARON

Fletcher is not back and he is not that fliping good either

Fletcher is back, he played 90 minutes the other night. We are making do until he is a fitter. If it weren't for defensive problem we would have Carrick in the position and I dare say we would use Phil Jones if he was fit

Red Barron, we have spent 100 million pounds in the last two summer transfer windows. Im pretty sure Everton havent spend that amount in the last 10 years. All this anti-glazer nonsense must now stop. Even before the Glazers arrived we were relatively cautious with our transfer policy.
Phoenix SMith

Phoenix Smith - you utter clown!!

"All the anti-Glazer nonsense must stop!"??

These muppets have put the club in the worst financial situation we've ever been in. Why should they care if they spend £100m each year? We are in massive debt anyway. Why not put in a £100m bid for Messi whilst we are at it?

Anyone who supports the Glazers should be named and shamed with Fergie first on the list. To describe these parasites as "great" is beyond belief. There's a clear divide with United fans now - the ones who know their stuff and realise the long term plan of the club, the history of Manchester United and hate the owners, and then on the flip side of the coin, the muppets who like instant success, bury their heads in the sand when it comes to financial matters and just want the next big signing. I know what camp I'm in.

PrideOfManchester

Red Baron,

So you only watch United because we are good? Go and support somebody else your support is not wanted here.

I get people wanting the club to be better because they want us to be successful, but to not watch anymore because we might not win anything, pathetic glory hunting person.

GDS

Common guys.. I have never entered this glZer stuff they are ownrers even if they are good or bad we cant do anything. So rather argueing we just now have to see how season develpos til jan and if fergie needs somebody then.. But we not buy much in jan. Still We must kwep one thing in mind... We are all united fans and in evryway we want best for our beloved club. I think this should be the bottom line.
Rodio17

And anyways i wil still say mvilla is batter. And available. Hope we land him someday soon
Rodio17

Anybody else understand that?
Hallis

The most contradicatory of posts..SAF will really not buy now..that's our end in the window...but i wish i get proven wrong..'if' something happens..

My friend something will happen its in Fergie's nature

DTDuff

Rodio,y would the fee rise to £17 mill when his buyout is £15 mill,B/S alert,and GDS back doing his job GIMP alert.
Mick the red fireman. ST holder n/e quad.

You lot make me laugh.

Let me make it clear, I am not for or against the Glazers, I just find some of the points regarding them a little ill imformed.

Im not a religious man (in the sense), football is my religion. You dont just stop supporting your team just because they have different owners, any more than you abandon your religion because your priest changes.

What difference does it really make who's in charge? Do you care about whos running the company you buy your car cloths & food from? Did you really care who ran your bank before it came crashing down.

There are bigger issues in the world than the Glazers making profit from something they own.

If you've got such a problem with it, come up with a solution. Buy it back, make it like Barca. Go and group together with a load of Man utd supporters and raise the appropriate funds to buy the club for the fans.

Obviously, this isnt going to happen, so why dont you just keep the claptrap to yourselves in future.

The Glazers have kept this club competitve so what do I have to complain about?

I have been going to Old Trafford since 1990, while I appreciate ticket prices for fans have increased, they are still cheaper than quite a few Premier League teams..

Man Utd are too big a club ever to fail especially while we have people like the Glazers in charge, it is worth too much to them. They are shrewd financiers who play with millions like we play with pennys.

To all the Glazer bashers what do you really want? Careful what you wish for. look at Malaga, do we really want a similar situation at Old Trafford?

Some people on this site make my blood boil. Any die-hard United fan should be anti-Glazer or a Glazer basher. I'd never leave my club as it is a religion as rightly put and although I don't agree with the people who left to go to FC United, I understand why they did. What it has done though has freed up a load of seats for daytrippers and muppets who spew out the same anti-Liverpool, City and Leeds songs week in week out, the "who are you. who are you?" brigade. I'd never stop going to OT as I've not missed a game since my season in 1984 but I know it's certainly not the same atmosphere anymore since the Glazers took over. In a dream world, all the fans would buy the club like Barca but it won't happen and no doubt some rich family or business man will always own the top clubs, but the Glazers aren't in the same league. They are taking out of the club. Maybe the website should take a poll - Hate The Glazers, Don't Give A Sh1t About The Glazers and Love The Glazers, then we'll soon see the general consensus on here. My comments above are all linked in with the transfers during the time since the Glazers took over too as Fergie's found a gem in Kagawa, overpaid for RVP (but we had no choice considering he was coming from a rival team) but generally we've not competed for the big named players and for whatever reason, Ferguson still refuses to address our biggest problem - a tackling central midfielder.

PrideOfManchester

29 Aug 2012 00:06:15
spurs have agreed a 15mill deal with fulham for dembele. to be honest i don't know manutd where are we going? united turn to be very painful in my heart. sir alex seems doesn't see the weakness in our team.he just concentrate on strikers and wingers.who's gonna create the chance for them? dembele was cheap option for us.OMG .This is rubbish

FERDCOAST

For gawds sake Get A Grip - just for one moment remember that SAF is one of the most successful Football managers ever (actually in anything!), and maybe just maybe knows a bit more about what he is doing than you do!

mike

You could always follow Dembele to Fulham
if he means that much to you.

Like Mike said, "get a grip".

RedMist

We got stuck with this problem for the past 3 years now mike.its not something just happen this season. even club like bilbao over played us in both game home and away,this season we face the same problem already against everton and fulham .can you see our team beat barcelona anymore? no chance,the issue is sir alex is trying look for the next paul scholes and kean. we can't get them.

ferdcoast

Haha embarrassing post.

Grow up.

GDS

Take it you haven't seen powell or tunnicliffe pal.

Caolán.

We willl pay spurs 30 million at the end of the season for him, we are good at that!

Sheesh, have a lie down. Who was in midfield when we won the title in '07, '08, '09, 11? I don't remember a big burly enforcer...

AJH

One word....Tunnicliffe!

Tackles like a Tank......sometimes fairly too!

Go and follow Spurs if you're so up on Dembele.

J - Stand

Not in the first team no, and will they get a game or will fergie stick with fat Anderson, Giggs and scholes? Carrick and cleverley will be the main midfield until cleverley gets injured. Fergie is putting all eggs into one basket. Look at the impact signing class players like Kagawa and Rvp. Even one class midfielder would improve the team. If these youngsters are good enough, why aren't they played? Pogba buggered off because of this. We all trust fergie but the fans are losing faith when all the other top teams are putting better midfields together. Even the Geordies have a better midfield in tiote and cabaye. The best thing for fergie is to move Giggs and scholes into coaching roles and inject youth there.

Ferdcoast again - No chance in beating Barca? Hmm well we played a friendly against them not that long ago if you recall? 0-0- was the score and they fielded a strong team including Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. So doesn't look like we're far behind does it?!?!

We just failed in the CL last year because of injuries to our more experienced players, most notably The serbian wall VIDAA!

Ozwald

United have got a serious blind spot - in both games our midfield has been over-run by Felani and Dembele - just as we do by Yaya Toure - like a knife through butter - and we expect micro men like Cleverly and 'Tubs' Anderson to run the show. JOKE

I totally agree, Fergie and Phelan lost the plot. Dembele tore us to pieces, he's only 26 and has a fantastic ability and presence. He's a good passer and has a very good shot.
Are we serious thinking Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Cleverley will win anything for us this season.
I was at the match on Saturday, and anderson was totally out of breath after 15 mins. He offers absolutely NOTHING. But because SAF bought him, he feels he should play him, SAF, you are wrong.
We all love United, if Dembele goes to Spurs, then we might as well pack up and forget about this season.
Two matches so far and in both, our midfield has been destroyed, obviously, Fergusson and Phelan cant see that!

AWWWW, eff off with your Powell and Tunnicliffe. Come and see me in 3 years time CaolAin mate, if those lads are even still AT Old Trafford, then we'll talk.

As it stands, we can't even keep our youngsters so forgive me if I'm man enough to refuse to swallow the whole "youth" pill we were dealt last summer.

You know, last summer? When Pogba, Morrison and Fryers were the new class of 92?

RED_SKY

Powell & Tunnicliffe look like great prospects, but that is all they are and will be for the next few years - we need our problems being dealt with now. Saying that though the more Cleverly, Kagawa & Anderson play together the better we will be. We have to remember that they are all getting used to each other and Fergie knows where are weaknesses lie, so do our support staff and players!

Sween

FERDCOAST has a point. Everyone toward the end of last season had complained that central midfield was our weak link and SAF has not really addressed the problem again this transfer window. He has brought in RVP a striker, Kagawa an attacking midfielder and both Powell and Henriquez aren't ready yet for the first team.

Yes our attacking options have improved dramatically but we haven't improved the heart of the team and I think we could suffer. Who knows though, maybe SAF may surprise us in the next few days.....

andydee mufc

Caolán
I haven't seen Powell or Tunnicliffe anywhere near the first team for the last two games and are unlikely to until the COC cup comes round. So I don't see any immediate change to the centre mid area unless, SAF is working on someone before Friday.
JR-Red

How could we?
It's not like SAF would play them, ever!

Jonny8

What get's my goat on here is that anyone who dare's to question SAF get's shot down as a traitor by the regulars. Is no one entitled to an opinion?

our midfield is poor and getting worse, all this talk of players from the youth team coming through is tosh, since the "golden generation" no one world class has come through, why are this batch different?

SAF is stubborn and it is his way or highway, anyone disagrees they get chucked out whether that is a player or a joournalist at a press conference, an attitude mirror by some posters on here.

I have supported united for 30+ years, go to as many matches as i can, am a member, buy the kit i am entitled to an opinion and if i don't like what is happening i should be able to say so without getting branded a traitor.

Dave

Guys there is no point jumping down the throat of the lads that complain about our midfield. They are entitled to do so. And in fairness if you compare us to lets say what will be the top 6 teams in the prem then you have to admit that we have the weakest cm of all those teams. I'm not saying we won't win the league but while winning the league is nice it would be nicer to do it without losing to city and chelsea or liverpool along the way and beating the crap teams that they slip up against! Also surely a club of our size and tradition should have a cm capable of competing against the best in the champions league. I know we missed Vidic last season, who wouldn't but we are not the only team that picks up injuries and he does not solve our cm problems. If we could cope in cm then our defense would not come under so much pressure all the time.

Ste

Anyone who thinks our midfield is good enough is kidding themselves. The only world class midfielder that we have is 37 and cannot perform at thee top consistently anymore. Talk about we did ok with them before but if you actually know about football and watch the matches then you can see our midfield is outdone sometimes even by mid table teams.
Tiote, Cabaye (better than us)
Yaya, Silva (well thats obvious isnt it)
Wilshere, Cazorla, (better than Clevs and Ando)

not to mention Barca and Reals midfield we are the weakest midfield for a top team.

Couldn't agree more Ste. Look how City dropped off when they missed Kompany and Yaya for a few weeks, then how strong they got again. I know they weren't the only reason, but the facts are one or two players can make a significant difference. We missed our best defender all season and they missed theirs for a few weeks, it couldnt have been closer in the end - and they had the monster Yaya and we didn't. But the truth is we always look ropey against the big teams, you could basically toss a coin on who will win - it shouldnt be like that when the missing piece of the puzzle is so clear to see.

It's just frustrating to see our play decline so much and now the fear factor is even starting to drop off about playing Utd, since Ronnie left it started. Managers actually look forward to coming to Old Trafford now rather than being terrified of getting the bullet after a horrendous result (few exceptions). We need to say enough is enough and not tolerate a massive decline in quality on the pitch, most Utd games bore me now I'm sorry to say, as we create so few chances and focus our play through players that constantly give the ball away - Rooney, Nani, Hernandez, Young, Evra (now unfortunately). It seems we are just using the Oil money as an excuse rather than incentive to stay at the top, we just seem to lack passion and quality now. Saying that we have been fortunate over the past 20 years, I hope we can get a second wind, but the quality of our play needs to improve quickly before we get to a point where it needs a complete overhaul. Just look at the scousers!

Sween

Im with u devo dembele is class just what we need

Look I'd agree that Dembele would be a good squad addition. He's not a world class player, but he is good. But look at the numbers: Spurs paid 15M + add ons for Dembele, we paid circa 13M for Kagawa. I know for certain who is better value! A proven top level German Player of the year or a solid yet unspectacular EPL player.

It's all about value. 15M I don't think he is worth that when you compare some of the other moves happenning (incl Kagawa).

He's good, but 15M. 10-12M maybe. There is better value out there - whether they are available or want to live in manchester is something else.

MOTHRA

Sween - we lost the league by a minute and to a City team that is v. strong. We are not in a bad position.

I would agree, as most would I guess, we need a CM.

28 Aug 2012 22:54:56
FACT moussa dembele spurs £15 million FACT

Good to see you can read

Do you know this for sure or is this a FACT?

28 Aug 2012 23:27:01
so dembele has gone to spurs i was thinking who are the alternatives??

Victor Wanyama.

Ozwald

Witsel!

Steffen

28 Aug 2012 22:05:45
Man Unt to bid £12.5 million for young Celtic midfield powerhouse Victor Wanyama, bid expected fri & deal be done before the deadline. This IS a fact

How where's your source if it was a fact why not leave a name?

Caolán.

So what's the difference between us and stoke now? we just buy unknown cheap players.barcelona they have got every strong midfielder and still went and buy song, madrid went and buy modric. we used to compete with them in and out of the pitch.

ferdcoast

This has got to be rubbish, right?
12.5m for another Djemba Djemba, an average player in a second rate sid ein a second rate league when for 2.5m more, the club could have Dembele? Doesnt sound right to me. I'll be disgusted if this is true. This guy is unproven in top flight football and is not good enough for a club like United.

Ferdcoast, Victor Wanyama will probably be better than Song ever was/will be in about 3-4 years time. He's only 20 and he controls celtic's midfield. I for one hope we make a bid to sign him, i'd love him at united.

Ozwald

Wouldn't he be cup tied in the CL ?

I hope not. He's a decent player but will not give anything new to Utd. I'm seriously surprised that Fergie let Dembele get away, hopefully he is still pursuing Witsel.

Sorry 21, not 20. But still, he's the captain of Celtic too which shows his maturity.

Ozwald

Wanyama's a quality player. What's wrong with buying unknowns? Had you honestly ever heard of Schmiechel, Solksjaer, Vidic? If Utd are going to buy a centre midfielder Wanyama could do a job. I don't think they're going to how though, sadly.

Matt

For a start, Dembele and Wanyama are completely different types of players. Secondly, Wanyama is a better defensive mid than Man Utd already have, never mind his potential. Makes you wonder how some people think about football. So he's not already playing in the Premier League and that makes him a 'second rate player'. I really hope Man Utd don't sign him, and in a few years you can all sit with your red tinted specs and hum and haw over 'we should have signed this lad like i said'. Good luck with your race for third.

I'm a celtic fan and Wanyama has been consistent and proven himself in the Champions League, he's been at celtic for two years and I could count on one hand the amount of bad games he has had if any, he is a top quality player and could break in to the first squad within a few years. He won't go for any less than 15 million though