Manchester United Rumours Archive August 02 2011

02 Aug 2011 23:34:19
God, some people are truly idiotic...

Ed002 is a Chelsea fan, therefore he/she (still cOnfused about that "/) would want Manchester United to lose, meaning he/she would want Marseille to win. Hence the reason Ed002 is using the terms 'us' and 'we' as a reference to Marseille.

MPez {Ed002's Note - Or, as an alternative solution, Ed002 was once married to the PR guru of Marseille and still has a soft spot for the club.}

Well then, ngiak has to make some assumptions
1. the PR guru is male?
2. that 02 is female?
3. 02 is now single?
4. and james bond is not interested
gan

02 Aug 2011 22:51:45
Manchester United are one of 3 clubs after Brazil's Paulo Henrique Ganso

Ganso fancies a move to Italy, with Milan being the front runner.

Now that would be great. He's already in the WS league. A little worrying is his knee problem, but WS has problems all over his body.Ganso is also only 21 and will only get better. Plus he's be happy with £100.000 a week.
Mik

02 Aug 2011 22:02:20
8-2......... :-) -Mc

02 Aug 2011 21:58:08
I won't give you banter about getting stuffed 8-2 tonight. Because unlike most of you kids, friendlies are meaningless to me.

Everytime i watch Clevely, he gets better. He really does remind me of a good Paul Scholes. Me thinks this kid could be the answer, to all your problems.

Blair Mayne YNWA {Ed002's Note - Very PC Blair.}

Easy to say when you cant get a pre season win for toffee Blair. How very grown up of you ;)

TK-Red

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the result either. Look at the line up
Fabien Barthez
Goalkeeper
Patrice Evra
Defender
Chris Smalling
Defender
Phil Jones
Defender
K vin Malcuit
Midfielder
Tom Cleverley
Midfielder
Idir Belhaid
Midfielder
Yazid Mansouri
Midfielder
Chadir Belghazouani
Striker
Ji-Sung Park
Striker
Danny Welbeck
Striker

And i forgot to add, David ginola came on tonight too :)

Wow for a Liverpool fan you really do take a keen interest in our team? And you watch Cleverly a lot? Must be a united fan in disguise ;) Daler-t

02 Aug 2011 21:42:36
its 8-2 but there have been some positives cleverley, welbeck and now pogba look very good and when smalling and jones were on we were holding them at 2-2

onecut

Bogba,the b is upside down,he deserves a squad# this season

02 Aug 2011 21:11:11
{Ed007's Note - Once again can I please ask that people do not try to post any rumours or speculation regarding Darren Fletcher's illness/condition/fitness.}

Darren Fletcher has spoken for the first time about the scary illness that raised fears over his health and confounded Manchester United s medical staff.

The 27-year-old admits they are still unsure what it was, but is confident he has made a full recovery.

We never got to the bottom of what the virus was but it knocked me back, he said. I m hardly a person who can afford to lose weight but I did.

'Now though I m fully on the mend. I missed the run-in to the championship and a place in the starting line-up for the Champions League final.

It was scary, but actually with the diet I m on now I m actually heavier than I was. I feel fighting fit.

02 Aug 2011 20:39:17
Welbeck & Cleverley.

And people thought they weren't going to make it.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Syd - I hope you saw that I responded over the "package" issue - and I don't mean Steven Gerrard's love truncheon injury.}

02 Aug 2011 20:33:21
Sydney you'll probably know best, who is that Malquis (not sure on spelling) playing right wing tonight?

DB-Red

The speaker said he is a guest from french ligue 2nd division

02 Aug 2011 19:29:51
Ed002, I worship the ground you walk on - any update on the "packages" issue?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Glad you asked about the ‚Äúpackage‚Äù issue Syd. There are a number of ways that have been taken to overcome a disparity in wages required and wages available. I can cite examples from a few years ago of (a) players from one particular club being registered through one business in Monaco where two of the directors of the business were local residents thereby legalising the tax free payment process. I can also cite one professional football only paid in ‚Äúcollectable‚Äù cars, which were a tax free means of means of payment in the UK. That loophole has gone, together with another that saw a current (at least last season) EPL player paid only in oil paintings via an offshore company based from his home in Monaco. Nowadays many, probably most, players operate through limited companies whereby legitimate expenses can be deducted and payments may be taken as dividends. This provides some tax advantages and allows money to be rolled in to pension schemes and trusts to certain tax or other limits. I also know of a couple of players who run ‚Äúenterprises‚Äù where the scope of the business includes the provision of sporting services and also undertaken property renovations under the same umbrella. This has recently been frowned upon by the revenue. The packages being put together for plays such as Aguero are rather different. Effectively, the players are offered a deal no more than that of the other higher paid players at the club. There is then a value-based bonus payable on leaving the club and it is calculated as being a percentage of the amount received above either the amount originally paid for the player or the write-down value of the player. In the case of one example package I am aware of, this has been as much as 100%. To give a couple of simplified worked examples, If our hero (Syd Falcao) is purchased for £40M on a salary of £6M per year and other costs (insurance, bonuses etc.) of say £2M his cost to the club over his 5 year contract is £80M written down at £16M a year. So his year 1 value is £80M, year 2 £64M, year 3 £48M etc.. If the club were to sell the player after three years for £60M and had negotiated a deal whereby the player would get 100% of the cost above the written down value, then our hero will, on departure, receive a ‚Äúbonus‚Äù of £12M (£60M-£48M). Alternatively, the write down costs may be ignored and a straight sliding scale applied. For example, if sold after one year he might receive 20% of the difference (value received ‚Äì purchase price), year 2 40% of the difference, year 3 on 60% of the difference. So if our hero was bought for £40M and sold two years on for £55M he would receive £6M (40% of £15M difference). Add to this sort of deal a few tweaks over image rights etc. and suddenly it (hopefully) becomes much clearer how deals can be struck through the ‚Äúpackage‚Äù route. I appreciate I have rambled a bit here, but hopefully it is clear and allows you to see how clubs can and do look to alternate solutions to some of these seemingly tough problems.}

You know when someone really intelligent talks about a subject u hav no clue on and u just smile and nod ? ..... That's what I felt like reading that

Superb, well written, in depth explanation by the best Ed on here (along with Ed001). Maybe should also have mentioned that because the players are now mostly limited companies they pay as little as 12% tax not the sort of percentages most people think they pay. Unfortunately I fear it may be lost on Sydney (I've read his posts before)

Chris in Tamworth

Thanks Ed, just noticed you left me a message, did you ask the question too? It's very complicated but I get it, but surely this is only a good deal for a younger player? Someone like Sneijder at 27, United would expect them to complete the four years so he would get nothing would he?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Well, I gave you simplified examples figuring that you would be bright enough to understand that there are other variables (such as age) that may or may not need to be considered. You were meant to respond "that is really nifty, I understand now".}

That is really nifty Ed002 ;)

'Chris from Saltash'

Button it ;)

Sydney!

02 Aug 2011 18:33:26
hey gents, what time is utd vs marsielle tonight? thanks in advance.

fatfugazi

7.45, for anyone in ireland its on setanta ireland

02 Aug 2011 17:47:22
02 Aug 2011 16:26:13
Rumors going around that Nani is wanted by Bayern and Juve for around 25 mil, and Berba is wanted by PSG for 18 mil. Would it be wise to sell both? I know they're just rumors but with the introduction of Young to the team and youth players being brought up, and the possible purchase of Sneijder, would we miss both of them? I know Nani was important last season, but certainly replaceable.

Sparty On

@Sparty On, You say Nani was important last season ( understatement ). Nani was out best player last season, he not only scored important goals but also created very important goals and he carried the team when Park and Toni were injured and Rooney lost his form. You also say Nani is certainly replaceable, I'd like to hear who you thing could replace him?. Nani may well be frustrating at times but he is a match winner.

REDMOZ

Nani is not a world class player, yes he had his best season but hes no where near the standard you would expect of a Man Utd player. Over the last 20 years we have had a lot of very good wingers and sadly Nani hasn't a patch on them. Of course he will set goals up, any footballer in an attacking role surrounded by a lot of very skilled footballers will produce something. The problem is we don't get enough from him.

REDMOZ I totally agree with u.... Sparty on why wud we sell nani if we are trying to improve our squad....nd is sneijder a winger...I don't think so

Here, here. Nani is a great player and one who is still developing. I firmly believe that he will only get better. He may be a little melodramatic at times but so what

Didn't Nani have more assists than anyone else in the premier league last season?
MB

Mb... Leyton baines had most assists Although it pains me to admit it Nano is a good player but will soon be eclipsed by young, and Valencia is a better right winger all day long. In my opinion, sell cut the wage and get the creativity in midfield we need

Www.premierleague.com/page/statistics
Nani 18, Baines 11

The official premier league site has Baines in 5th place on 11, Nani topped it on 18(same as Messi in the primera liga), Drogba 2nd on 15, Fabregas 3rd on 14.
MB

REDMOZ

I wasn't suggesting that we sell Nani, but if a more than decent offer comes our way for him, I personally think our squad would be alright without him. As for replacement, Ashley Young has a great assist record over the past couple years, only to be surpassed by Fabregas if I'm not mistaken. If Nani is to move away from OT this summer, and that's a big IF, I would hope that the funds raised would help fund the Sneijder move. Before you crucify me, I know that Sneijder is not a winger, but he has created the most scoring chances in the Champions league over the past two seasons. I wholeheartedly believe that Sneijder is more of a game winner than Nani. But I am not bashing Nani at all, I believe he is a wonderful player who hopefully has a wonderful long career at United.

Sparty On

Fabregas, Nani & Drogba are all well ahead of Young over the last couple of seasons in terms of assists, though admittedly he does look like a decent signing.

Lets go all the way, if you think we should sell Nani and Berbatov if we get good prices. Lets sell Wazza, Vidic and evra. Get loads of dosh but have a s**t squad.
Get a grip man Nani is with Rooney our best attacking player.That would leave young to take over from him and is average, poor investment.I would turn down £35m for Nani
By the way a certain bald Dutchman started out as a winger. Nani is a better player to have then WS, he can be annoying, but is often devastating
Mik

@sparty you my friend all using the term "match winner" loosely ... Although skillful, Nani is not a match winner... ANd extremely wasteful if i might add... And that is exactly how SAF feels coz as soon as tony came back nani assumed the fetal position on sub bench... like i have said all along i like nani and i hope he starts making good decisions on pitch soon

Nani played more 1st team games than anyone last season - scoring 9 league goals and creating 18 assists. He was knackered at the tail end of the season and thankfully Toni recovered from his injury and put in some top shifts. I like Toni and he is stronger defensively and is more direct attacking wise than Nani. However, if I had to choose one it's Nani every time. Toni is very one footed and is a "tap it past the full back and leave the rest to pace and strength" type. He isn't so good against strong quick defenders. Nani is two footed. in fact he scored more with his slightly weaker left foot last season. He can be annoying, but is really quick and has great ball skills, he has that magic that was in short supply last season.I would like Nani to stay for life I don't think Toni has scored 9 and made 18 assists since he came from Wigan. I don't want to run him down though cos I think he's excellent too.Toni and Nani are far better than Young, who I think is a poor buy. He's quick but one footed. SAF says he sees him primarily as a left winger. However, he always has to drag the ball back onto his right foot, slowing down an attack. One last thing, Nani is 2 years younger than both Toni and Young.
Mik

02 Aug 2011 17:34:21
1627: FOOTBALL - The Daily Star is suggesting that Inter Milan have accepted an offer from Manchester United for midfielder Wesley Sneijder. Reports in Italy suggest the player will now begin negotiations with United.

DB-Red

02 Aug 2011 16:26:15
Hopefully Pogba's appearance in tonights game against Marseille will be a big step towards the first team. Will be good to see him alongside cleverley , smalling , jones and welbeck
Should be interesting

CRAIGY

I wonder if there is any significance that pogba is playing in this match considering a few others who are going are on the bring of the 1st team, maybe fergie is thinking about playing pogba more than we think he might this season?just a thought phil

That would explain only 1 midfield player being brought in

I have a feeling SAF has plans for Pogba this season I hope so as if he fulfills his potential we will have some player on our hands

CRAIGY

02 Aug 2011 15:55:41
Juventus have made audacious £26m bid for nani and Inter Milan have also sounded out the possibility of signing the Portuguese winger. {Ed007's Note - Who uses the word "audacious" in every day conversation? Isn't that a FM press headline?}

02 Aug 2011 14:44:15
Is Nasri still a target for United.?
Or is he a backup if we fail to get sneijder.

AMG

I dont think anybody knows who utd are targeting

I don't think United will fail to get Sneijder. I said right from the start of the transfer window that the big story of the summer transfer window will be United and Sneijder. Will he go? Will he not go? I also said that this story will drag on all the way through the transfer window and it looks as though that's the way it's going.

Nasri was a target. But that was when Inter said that Sneijder wasn't for sale. Everyone thought the Sneijder was off but then Inter came out and said they'll listen to offers for Sneijder and if the right one comes in they will sell him. Boom Deal on again.

29 days left of the transfer window. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

02 Aug 2011 12:15:57
who is maman? has man utd sign him because he played for the reserves last night?

It was Souleymane Mamam, Togolese midfielder. Joined United in 2003 as a youth, couldnt get a work permit so was sent on loan to Royal Antwerp. His contract expired in 2007 and he was released. He then joined Antwerp permanantly. Has since floated around the lower leagues in Belguim, had a trial with Motherwell i think in Scotland, and also with Toronto in MLS.

Have no idea why he has suddenly popped up playing for the reserves Anyone know why?

The Neviller

We are sad so and so's to know all this stuff aren't we

On the today at old Trafford section of manta.com it says they have received confirmation that Mamam is on trial with the club

Its obviously a different maman The Neviller you idiot

The Neviller is right, they're having a second look at him
MB

The last reply to this post was by Aaronaldo7 Sorry for not signing it

Aaronaldo7

I dont think the neviller is right it couldnt be the same person he is 24 now(wikipedia says there has been a dispute wether he is or not) and i dont think we could get a work permit for him now although he was a good player i think he has to be past it now.

Aaronaldo7

Neviller youll have to come and get my shirt and get it printed for me at the scholes testimonial.

Aaronaldo7

It is him mate, that comes straight from the official website's today at old trafford page
MB

Okay looked it up sorry for doubting MB and The Neviller but neviller youre still an idiot

Aaronaldo7

Sorry for doubting just looked it up on the website but i still think the neviller is somthing to do with the glazers definatly a glazer spy

Aaronaldo7 {Ed007's Note - Oh please don't get into that again, I'm having a bad enough day as it is!}

Ed, Im only having a laugh. the neviller is my brother and he told me the other day that people were calling him a glazer spy

02 Aug 2011 10:49:47
Will people forget Joey Barton. The lad is a decent enough player but of all the personalities we need at the club right now, he is the last thing we need providing Ravel Morrison as a role model.

TK-Red

Yea, especially when we have Rooney as a role model, and what's worse is he gets the biggest paycheck in Uniteds history for throwing the rattle out of the pram. Great example all-round.

J Bones.

One could argue barton would be exactly what we need to show the young players like raval that if they make mistakes, they can come back from them and have a successful career in football if they are determined enough and can put the past behind them. Correct me if i'm wrong but barton has stayed out of trouble for the last few years.

Not with the law but he punched Gamst Pedersen last season if I recall. I had considered the "reformed character" approach but if United signed Barton then all it would say to Morrison is "your behaviour wont stop you from playing for the worlds biggest club"...and thats not a message we should be sending to any player, especially not Ravel. I know people will point towards the likes of Rooney and Cantona etc but Barton is 28 years old. Soon to be 29. I just dont see that his talent is enough to outweigh his baggage.


TK-Red

02 Aug 2011 10:11:33
I got a bit over excited about the Berbatov/Sneijder deal...just been told that there has been no change at United with regards to Sneijder. Perhaps this means a bid was placed a while ago and it's just a salary issue, either way, United and Inter did NOT agree anything yesterday or today.

Also, has anyone noticed that Scholesy has come out of his shell. Talking about stuff everyday now Speak highly of Tunnicliffe, which I agree with, he could be another Keane/Robson type of player.

Doyley

Hello Doyley. Strange about Scholes. Usually a quiet person like Paul does not change overnight into someone who starts speaking his mind so often. It seem like it is some strategy for SAF to publicly voice his opinion now that Scholes is employed by United.
Regarding Tunnicliffe, I asked Sydney before about the youths and he put Tunnicliffe ahead of all the others. He seems to have bright future, lets hope he gets some game-time this year.

J Bones.

Inter & Utd did not agree anything yesterday coz the deal was done over 2wks ago by Gill in Milan. This is just playing out and we will announce we have signed him next week at the request of Inter.

To be honest, everyone on hear and almost every story is speculation. You can say it has or hasn't been agreed that he will sign. Fact is - no one other than the manager abnd David Gill know. If it happens we will find out in due course.

I agree about Tunnicliffe, I think there is more chance of him making the 1st team than Morrison or Pogba. Morrison's attitude could mess him up, despite his huge talent. Pogba's also full of talent but seems like a kid besides Tunnicliffe.
mik

02 Aug 2011 10:01:34
BBC twitter guy is correct. A deal for Sneijder will not be announced this week. Gill and SAF meeting this week to discuss potential targets. WS will play against Milan at the weekend and a deal may be concluded between that game and Inter's first league game on 28/8. Any chance of Berba leaving is on hold due to Chich's situation. Joey Barton is under consideration but don't be surprised if he ends up at Arsenal

The Word

I repeat the deal is already done and will be announced next week at Inters request.

Well that's sorted than. SAF can put his feet up while you and your contacts sort out our future. --- your guessing just like the rest of us mate
Mik

02 Aug 2011 08:16:56
apparently inter have offered 40m for tevez, but inter to do not have the money sso hopefully a big chunk offf that could be from a sneidjer deal. not sure if true just what ive heard eds please comment {Ed002's Note - I suspect that Inter would not offer cash for Tevez but a player plus cash. I also think Tevez is likely to want to hold out to see if any move for him is made by Real Madrid.}

If so real will sell Benzema or higuan as they are committed to adebayor as well
We must go for higuan

By the time we get a top midfielder and possibly a young holding midfielder, we'll have spent close to £100m. Can't see us coming up with £25m-£30m for another striker. Also Real may well want 4 strikers, it's what we have had.
Mik

02 Aug 2011 01:30:48
Mirror Football confirm Berba off to PSG £18mill and Sneijder offer accepted for £30+ just need to agree personal terms, i hope this is real guys

I've been waiting for this all summer, hope he signs, taking a wage cut to join the greatest club in the world is a small price to pay

It doesn't say Berbatov is off, it says "PSG may offer £18m+". I want him to stay, what happens if/when Wayne or Chico are injured or need a break? Rely on Macheda 3 goals, Wellbeck and Owen? Berbatov is our best alternative to our top 2 strikers.
Mik