Manchester United Rumours Archive November 30 2012

30 Nov 2012 21:48:28
I thought I'd add my 2 cents on the Bale debate...

there's no doubt he's probably the most threatening winger in the EPL.

I rate him high than Valencia simply because Bale can shoot, cross and when he dribbles the ball is stuck to his feet.

What makes me laugh is that we clearly need someone of his ability on the left hand side whether that's LB, LW, LM or LWB yet we're still too good for him.

It's like Liverpool saying Hernandez is rubbish even though he's exactly what they're missing in terms of positional players.

As far as I'm concerned it's not a case of whether or not he's good enough it's a case of whether he'll fit the style of play we're looking at.

If we're going to be the backwards-sideways united of now then he won't fit in because he'll lose that drive to run at players, however if we're looking at a more dynamic style of play IE 4-2-3-1 he could easily play as a wing back and be better than Evra, Buttner and Fabio all are OR he could play into that midfield attacking 3. Also on the off chance we lose all our forwards he's proven he knows how to play up the top end on a couple of occasions.

For me, Bale has far more qualities than he does negative attributes.

Have a good weekend guys.

The Moon.

No one is saying he isn't good or good enough for United. I am saying he is not value for money. He is worth say £20m-£25m and Spurs will want £40m. what would he offer us that players like Oezil, Rodriguez, Goetze couldn't for less.

Sydney!

Beauty post!

TomBomb

Syd
To be fair on the other page u said a few times his not a good player
Jred

I agree with you Moon. Have a funny feeling he will be off to Real Madrid in the summer though.

Ryan

Gold post moon

Ryan
Lol that's what started most if it
Jred

I do not think we need him with our current style of play.

We seem to want to play a possession based game and i think players like Rodriguez, Götze or Isco would fit a lot better. For that kind of style you need that creative wide players.

Jred, telling lies again? I have never said he isn't good. Just not value for money and massively overrated by people and the media.

Sydney!

Bale is a player of massive ability only a handfull of better players in that position in world football and even less in the prem ie none what you on about sydney overated i think not how many epl players can do what he does none is the answer to that one and if like most people that are in the know imagine what he would be like at united tottenham are a class below us he would be unstoppable for us end of and give us a team to compete with barca or real when he does go and is playing at his peak for another team [barca or real] we will all be saying we should have got him hope to god we can get him would love it katef

My bad Jred :(
Been mad busy at work and not reading every post the last while. Bale is class, would love to see him sign for us but......

Enjoy reading all the opinions as always.

Ryan

Bale is a good player for sure and shown real class at times. I like his versatility too and think he would walk into our starting XI as either LW or LB or left handed side of 4231. The likes of Rodriguez, Muniain, Zaha, Ince would all add to the attacking side of our play but, like Rooney, the play him anywhere factor for me is worth the extra premium.

Halesini {Ed004's Note - you always complain about the inconsistent Nani yet you want the inconsistent Bale who does nothing against teams that sit deep and don't give him space to run into. Something most teams do against us}

Yeah I agree with Ed004. Bale can only beat a man when the opposition gives him space to run into. CR7 beats him man from a standstill with his step overs and general trickery so its impossible to cover tactically for this. Bring back CR7 at all costs and we would be invisible regardless of our midfield!

Dan

Moon Good post.

He is by far better than what we currently have and a player that can change a games outcome by a moment of individual brilliance, which is what we don't have with the exception of RVP.

Shahram

03 Dec 2012 10:31:01
Brilliant post, fact is if Bale was a foreign player playing for a foreign club and they were asking 40m for him we'd be begging SAF to get the coffers out!
because he plays for spurs whatever they value him at is 'overpriced'. if they valued him at 20m people would be saying he's only worth 15.

so, basically pay the money and get this guy on board, world class!!

jessop1982

30 Nov 2012 18:03:07
Nani has suffered an injury setback and wont be back for another 4/5 weeks. Does anybody get the impression we've seen the last of Nani, seems appropriate how he'll be back in time for the transfer window! Opinions?

RedKen

Last year it was Berbatov who was sold in the summer and this year it is Nanis turn to face the chop next summer

Convenient and good riddance. He is as much a liability as a threat whenever he plays and anything over 15m would be a good deal.

Dan

You Nani Haters would rather we had Young? Only 2 players in the history of the premier league who have olayed for United hav emore assists then him. Giggs -126 and Rooney -70. Nani has 48 2 more then Scholes and RVP (obviously most of his were for Arsenal) - both have 46.Becks had 45 Ronaldo has 44. Valencia has under 30 in his 5 seasons at Wigan and United. Young,Cleverley and Machada need to move on. Also this season Valencia is worse then nani has ever been.
Mik

He's worth about £8m tops. He's a dire player, with a worse attitude.

DanW

Still better than the extremely limited Valencia and Young in my opinion. Only sell him if we will immediately replace with someone better. Otherwise it's a case of cutting off your nose...

I hope Nani and young both go..Nani is so frustrating to watch and Young is just a tube

Bilko

How can you say get rid of Cleverly when the lad is just developing. Yes Valencia is have a bad season it happens to most plays they dont stay on top form throughout there career. Young need to get his confidence back and start running at players. Nani is defo a great player but its time to move on hes been at united a long time and we need a replacement his time at the club is up face it or not.

Simz Utd

More Nani haters than not judging from responses as most people have eyes. Yes Young is better than Nani. Then again most likely so are half the peeps reading this! Time for the self-named 'best player in the world' to jog on. Whatever we get for him is a bonus but it won't be much.

Halesini

30 Nov 2012 16:44:00
Am I the only one that thinks that SAF has lost his patience or just doesnt have the belief in De Gea? I can honestly see Real Madrid coming in for him for £25million and we will take it and struggle to find a better keeper maybe trying to temp Cortouis from Chelsea is too much of a task but wroth a try.

Hasnt he missed the last 3 games because of wisdom teeth being taken out?
and i suspect the only reason he kept him out of wed's game was so he would rotate and play ddg sat then decide on one of the 2 for next week's meaningless cl game

Why would we take 25mil? If he was to leave I would say it would be to barca anyway and in the very unlikely event he did leave I would go for ter stegan

Yeah it's all because of his wisdom teeth. SAF knows that DDG is already twice as good as Lingegaard. Also Casillias spoke of how DDG will become the best keeper in the world and take his place in the Spanish team. If he can see this, then Eric Steele and SAF will see this too.

Ozwald

Ozwald

He wont go to Real. The way he talks about his time at Athletico he would never go to Real. Barca is another kettle of fish though, he is already better than Valdes IMO.

Dan

He's the goalkeeping equivalent of CR7. Far from the finished article now, but by the time he wants to go back to Spain we'll be able to name our price. There is a very good chance he will be the best in the world within 3-4 years.

Ryan

According to the S*n SAF has said at this time Linders is no.1 due to playing well and DDG will have to bide his time

Pardoe

30 Nov 2012 16:19:39
Just read an interesting article about Antonio Valencia. The article was suggesting that the no. 7 shirt is too big for him, do you agree? Is that his problem? Hopefully lots of you will chip in on this argument!

Fresh!

I think he's just had a few niggling injuries and will find his form when fit and a few games under his belt
jred

I'm not sure about the number 7 shirt being an influence but the problem, as I see it, with Valencia this season is that he is trying to play like someone he is not. We seem to be trying to play a more fluent passing game this season and Valencia seems to be trying to fit into that by holding the ball up and getting less crosses into the back, a less direct style of play if you will. Problem being that he doesn't have the skills to play like that, to play in the same fashion as the Nani, Silva and Matas of this world. He is best running at his full back, taking him on and whipping balls into the box so the sooner he gets back to basics, the better IMO.

TK-Red

Valencia is a very good direct player, But not my number 7 to be honest.

Do you not think that has been exactly the same thing that Young is doing? He doesn't look like taking anyone on

Maybe they are both under orders... What you think Eds or anyone?

Pardoe {Ed007's Note - Young is just a terrible player. As for Valencia I have no idea why he is under-performing, just look at the goals (headers) he set up for Rooney the season before last. It just isn't working right now.}

Completely agree TK. Valencia is made to get the ball and run. He is not about the fluent attacking football that the rest of the team is trying to play.

Dan

I've thought about it a fair few times this season, how his poor performaces compared to last season might be something to do with the fact he now wears an iconic shirt. Hopefully he gets any crap out of his head to do with that because he was massive for us last season. Now he seems a bit hesitant and unsure of everything he does.

Ozwald

30 Nov 2012 18:40:57
I would love to agree with you Fresh! I think the number "7" might be a responsibility too much for him. Consider the guy that last wore it. Oh that CR7 would come back!
PeeBoaiy

It's just a shirt number, it will have no influence whatsoever

Well he has been injured for the past few weeks apparently, that might be why we didnt see the best of him.

I think he will improve after he comes back.

Mick

Defenders have just sussed Tony is the most one footed player on the planet. They are aware he will attempt to beat them on the outside, or just knock a simple ball squere, or backwards. It used to be traditional for right-wingers to play with the No7 shirt. Besty, Becks etc. I think it's only a big deal in the minds of some supporters.Otherwise why would SAF give the 7 shirt to Owen, when he knew he wouldn't play the majority of game whilst he was here. I hope Tony at least learns to pass simple balls with his left foot.
Mik

Sorry Mick but you cant blame it on that. He hasn't had a good game all season. None of our wingers have had a great game.. Maybe it's to do with the diamond formation we're using a lot, if training has changed then there might be a slight confusion/misunderstanding in matches. It's a strange one.

Ozwald

Hes still a great player, just not on form.
All players have dips in form, especially wingers.
Once he gets fit and has an assist or 2 his confidence will improve and we will start to see more of the player we saw last season, whatever number he wears.

Will Red

01 Dec 2012 02:38:48
Don't know if you guys read the article on Valencia. The guy has been injured but did not tell the physios hence his under par performance these last few weeks. Apparently Valencia does not speak a lot of English and does not speak a lot it was only noted in training he was running akwardly and then asked about the injury which he admitted to but didn't mind playing with (some guy). Yes football has changed but for me Valencia is one of the best RM in the world. Man Utd 4 lyf

If you look at all our games this season, our possession percentage is high, usually around 55 to 57%, its what we do with it, basically next to nothing, as the teams movement off the ball is dire, we appear to be playing a very slow version of keep ball, we have very little pace in the side, and it appears no-one who can pass from one side of the pitch to the other, the facts are this is probably the worst United team of the last 8 years, and if we are going to have a serious chance of Champions league wins, then there is a list of players who aren't good enough. We have to strip the emotion of "he's a good lad", "he's been a legend" and get to the reality of the situation. Carrick, Young, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Fletcher, Macheda and one or two others need to be shown the door in the summer. To those who will attempt to flame me for this outlook, I ask this, Do you want to win trophies ? Or do you want a team full of not good enough and over the hill players, who will win nothing? Easy to answer.

30 Nov 2012 14:57:03
now ESPN is running the story that man utd are preparing a bid for wesley sniejder in january
any idea EDs whether this has any truth in it
plz comment!!!!! {Ed002's Note - Fenerbahce might be a good option.}

I saw this to I can't imagine United spend that type of money in January. Wages would be a major concern as well.

30 Nov 2012 12:59:07
SAF said "Giggs should be ok for tomorrow"

OMG , here we go again.


DesiRed.

Nooooooooooooooo

Brendan

What wonderful news that is.

Fresh!

So, midfield tomorrow = Carrick and Giggs, leaving Carrick and Scholes to be the midfield for the derby with City the following weekend!! It beggars belief that SAF continues with Giggs and Scholes in anything more than bit part roles.

I would like to see Anderson given a run of at least 10 games in a row to see whether he can get back his form, and would not mind him paired with Carrick.

I see that Nani and Tony V are still not available for this weekend - I hope that Valencia is available versus City; Nani and Young should not be involved at all in a game we do not want to lose (i.e. all of them, but particularly against City).

Mike B.

It will be Scholes and Giggs in the middle of the park then. And maybe Sir Bobby up front along with George Best.

Moen#7

If he starts then we will lose!!!

Has giggs scored a prem goal this season ? if not i think fergie must have a bet on he does it 22 years on the trott and thats why he keeps getting games lol Katef

No Giggs hasn't scored a prem goal yet nevermind he has loads of games to play yet lol

Pardoe

30 Nov 2012 09:03:49
Heard Vidic is back in full training! Thats some good news. Will he be available for Manchester derby? Even though he will make a good difference, i'd prefer not to rush him back. A fully fit vidic for the rest of the season is what we need.
RD27

30 Nov 2012 02:11:03
hey i was wondering in the case that united get isco. Where would he play out wide or be converted into a cm? thanks
Kennedy

Probably as an attacking midfielder, interchanging with rooney and kagawa in a 4-2-3-1 but mainly on the right since he's better on the right than Kagawa.

Mick